but until my friend arrived in Fernley NV I really had no clue.
I post about hunting dogs, rabbit dogs, coon dogs, and squirrel dogs.
I realized that you don't have a clue when I am talking about tree dogs.
Hell, you don't have a clue what I am talking about when talking about a tree.

He got a chance to get out do some driving around. My wife and I plan to go visit next fall.

I have a few new sayings "That's about as worthless as a tree stand in Nevada" and "That's harder than treeing a coon in Nevada".

Here is a pic my friend sent. Every pic he sent look just about like this.

What do you hunt and how do you hunt in a place like this?
Lizards?
I guess I would just shoot my dogs if I had to live there.
They would die of boredom if I didn't.

It is no wonder people go crazy out there :flipoff2:

I zoomed in on this pic and think I see a tree.

rabbits and coyotes man..

I've read stories about guys running beagles and hit a jack rabbit and ruined their day.
One guy rode in the truck for 4 hours trying to intercept the dogs before he caught them. He had to leave the dogs up for several weeks afterward because their feet were junked.
I beleive I would move up to a longer legged dog than a beagle to run jacks.

Watch out for apes near monoliths.

Watch out for apes near monoliths.
Exactly what I was talking about people in the desert going crazy.

The heat done melted that peanut inside your head.
I realize it wasn't a high horse power model, but it done shut down and you still running around doing stuff.:flipoff2:

AHHHHH HOME SWEET HOME! :flipoff2:

The game is spread out much further and you have to hit sweet spots for whatever you are looking for. Most desert critters are much much harder to hunt and your skills as an outdoors man have to be up to the task. You also usualy have to be more physicaly fit and be prepared to put on many miles a day on foot.

I also live in one of the most diverse areas with mountains, trees, salt flats, granitic intrusions, basalt fields, hay fields, marsh, hot springs, river beds etc all within an hour or so.

For example out here 100yards on a deer is average to close. Most shoot 150-200 and many past 300 every year. Heck when I was in Kentucky a baseball bat would have kept me well fed at Fort Knox :smokin:

When you come out I hope you have time to come by the house or at least have a beer or two.

What game is plentiful and how much are hunting license?
I am game, a fairly good shot, and can walk at 900' elevation all day and all night.
I know 4000' is a different pace, but other than the altitude I am ready to hunt if you are.
I'll definitely like to look you up when we are there.
My friend is Navy and will be there for a couple years.

Exactly what I was talking about people in the desert going crazy.

The heat done melted that peanut inside your head.
I realize it wasn't a high horse power model, but it done shut down and you still running around doing stuff.:flipoff2:

I have toured the world and here is my one truth: Where ever you go you will find some kind of batshit crazy people.

Yes we have plenty desert dwelling fruitloops that can match your backwoods fruitloops any day for the BATSHIT CRAZY award :flipoff2:

You dont know fun until your out wheeling in the middle of the desert and get stopped by a Skinhead ralley checkpoint and plenty of AK's.....very glad I was white that day. Or you come over the next hump chukkar hunting and find 3 trailers and some homemade shanties and 30 people living there on good old BLM land :shaking: Yup we got em too.........

But they are the exception not the rule for the most part.

Exactly what I was talking about people in the desert going crazy.

The heat done melted that peanut inside your head.
I realize it wasn't a high horse power model, but it done shut down and you still running around doing stuff.:flipoff2:

It's easier that way, I don't have to think as hard. :laughing:

Watch out for apes near monoliths.

I found some.

When is ape season?
How do you cook them?

What game is plentiful and how much are hunting license?
I am game, a fairly good shot, and can walk at 900' elevation all day and all night.
I know 4000' is a different pace, but other than the altitude I am ready to hunt if you are.
I'll definitely like to look you up when we are there.
My friend is Navy and will be there for a couple years.

I dont think NV sells temp permits but CA does and they are cheap..I have plenty of guns so no worries there. Boat to fish off of and lands to hunt.

Hate to tell you but 4200' is Reno most hunting I do is closer to 8K and the dry cold air will really screw you up. But it depends on what time of the year.

When is ape season?
How do you cook them?

I think they are like mangy coyotes and ground squirrels....just let me lay :flipoff2:

I've read stories about guys running beagles and hit a jack rabbit and ruined their day.
One guy rode in the truck for 4 hours trying to intercept the dogs before he caught them. He had to leave the dogs up for several weeks afterward because their feet were junked.
I beleive I would move up to a longer legged dog than a beagle to run jacks.

Coursing is a lot more common out there... A falconer out in Wyoming who helped my brother catch his eagle was into coursing. He had all sorts of cross breeds that made the perfect coursing dog.

Edit: A quick google search shows coursing to be a generic term... This guy was coursing yotes with his dogs, not rabbits.

When is ape season?
How do you cook them?

Usually when im not in the desert......:flipoff2:
Ape Cooking instructions....

Dont shoot the ape, catch him with tales of front dana 60s and Ls1's.....

Bring Ape home,slide him into a warm bed with your hot Ol'lady......bring to a simmer!!!!:flipoff2:

Usually when im not in the desert......:flipoff2:
Ape Cooking instructions....

Dont shoot the ape, catch him with tales of front dana 60s and Ls1's.....

Bring Ape home,slide him into a warm bed with your hot Ol'lady......bring to a simmer!!!!:flipoff2:

And to prove my point...here come RockApe :flipoff2:

Go back to your Ricers homo :flipoff2:

Usually when im not in the desert......:flipoff2:
Ape Cooking instructions....

Dont shoot the ape, catch him with tales of front dana 60s and Ls1's.....

Bring Ape home,slide him into a warm bed with your hot Ol'lady......bring to a simmer!!!!:flipoff2:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Hate to tell you but 4200' is Reno most hunting I do is closer to 8K and the dry cold air will really screw you up.

That is what kills me. It's like breathing on some other planet. The few times I've been there I got a cold/sore throat from having no humidity to speak of.

Hate to tell you but 4200' is Reno most hunting I do is closer to 8K and the dry cold air will really screw you up. But it depends on what time of the year.

So ye hunt them hills they call mountains near the west coast I gather... a partner and I decided to hunt the foothils of the Rockies once. We started climbing and about 1/2 way up it got all misty-foggy like then we ran into some dude all decked out in wings with a harp. The dude looked us sorta funny one of them "what are ye doing here" kinda looks. Wel my partner and I looked and decided that mebee going up higher wasnt the best idea...thats the last time I tried to climb the Rockies...:D:D

D.

Navy Nevada??

So ye hunt them hills they call mountains near the west coast I gather... a partner and I decided to hunt the foothils of the Rockies once. We started climbing and about 1/2 way up it got all misty-foggy like then we ran into some dude all decked out in wings with a harp. The dude looked us sorta funny one of them "what are ye doing here" kinda looks. Wel my partner and I looked and decided that mebee going up higher wasnt the best idea...thats the last time I tried to climb the Rockies...:D:D

D.

:laughing:

Before I joined the Army I ran every day. My old house was at 6600 feet and I could run about 4 miles. Then off to Ft.Knox I could run 8 miles and not suck wind. Then I got sent to Germany and ran 6-8miles a day 5 days and got so big I have stretch marks. I went from 6' 170 to 6' 200lbs. I came home for the first time in January after being gone for a little over a year. I sucked wind big time. The dry cold and altitude really beat me down and I could only run about a mile before my lungs got too cold or I got light headed. I was running in the snow and ice of Germany then too and it still kicked my ass.

Even now when I pass the 10k mark you can really feel it. I can't imagine coming from sealevel to 10-12K and attempting to do much of anything.

Navy Nevada:

NAS Fallon and probably some others. Used to drive through there on my way to San Diego.

Fallon is not too far from Fernley, but farther than I would want to commute.

The pictures are pretty close to what the high desert country in southern Idaho looks like. Its pretty in its own way, especially in the spring when the grass is green and the wildflowers are blooming.

...I can't imagine coming from sealevel to 10-12K and attempting to do much of anything.

Heres a true story about altitude sickness fer ye.

My dad and 2 partners had a claim above Brainerd lake in CO that required a jaunt to ~12-13k to get to for their prospecting jaunts. My dad and 1 guy in the group were hunter-fishermen and born/raised at higher altitudes the other was from Ohio and a recent move to CO with all 3 being 1 pack+ a day smokers.

One weekend they set out to open the glory hole up and hauled a case of dynamite up to the claim. They got up there and were gathering their wind when a typical Rocky Mt. thunderstorm hit. Everybody ducked fer cover taking the dynamite and the caps with them EXCEPT the guy from Ohio. Seems that the exertion of hauling something besides his body up the hill gave hime a nice case of altitude sickness to the point of hallucinating while meandering around with the ball lightning and St. Elmos fire striking and lighting up the sky all around. The other 2 tackled the guy and had to carry him down to the truck where he slept the trip back to town and didnt wake up until his wife got him up fer a party that night...

So somewhere near Lake Isabelle above Brainerd lake in the Indian Peaks wilderness area is a case of mid '50s vintage 40%, quite possibly crystalised dynamite under a rock ledge as that was the last time they meandered up there...

D.

Even now when I pass the 10k mark you can really feel it. I can't imagine coming from sealevel to 10-12K and attempting to do much of anything.


Sea Level to 10+k will kick your ass. Can also lead to medical emergancy. Pulminary Edima(sp)

Was great fun on the Big Island to drive from Kona up to the observatory. Just walking around taking pictures you would get light headed.

I live at 6k. Two summers ago spent 4th of July weekend scouting some trails. Hit a deep drift at 12k and we got out and shovelled. I was wrecked for the rest of the weekend.

:laughing:

Before I joined the Army I ran every day. My old house was at 6600 feet and I could run about 4 miles. Then off to Ft.Knox I could run 8 miles and not suck wind. Then I got sent to Germany and ran 6-8miles a day 5 days and got so big I have stretch marks. I went from 6' 170 to 6' 200lbs. I came home for the first time in January after being gone for a little over a year. I sucked wind big time. The dry cold and altitude really beat me down and I could only run about a mile before my lungs got too cold or I got light headed. I was running in the snow and ice of Germany then too and it still kicked my ass.

Even now when I pass the 10k mark you can really feel it. I can't imagine coming from sealevel to 10-12K and attempting to do much of anything.



I went from living at sea level to living at 3500ft, it really kicked my butt for a few months. Hiking at 6000-7000 ft was interesting, at 10k I could run out of breath walking 100 yds :laughing:. I used to run 3 miles a day at sea level, but even a couple of miles at higher elevation I was sucking wind :shaking:. I can imagine what the Colorado elk guides go through when the flatlanders hit the camps at 7k-10k :laughing:.

I took a trip a couple of years ago through SE Oregon, NE Nevada. The Steens mountains in SE Oregon are ~10K, really cool view from the top. We went from Frenchglenn Oregon through Wenamucca NV, talk about middle of nowhere :laughing:. One of the few places I've been where we would pass a car every 15-20 minutes on the highway and the speed limit is 70, just watch out for the range cows.

...We went from Frenchglenn Oregon through Wenamucca NV, talk about middle of nowhere :laughing:...

And living in MT isn't in the middle of nowhere... Living among the pines sorta shortens up distances in contrast to a desert view of miles and miles of miles and miles... ;) :D

Never did the jogging at altitude thing as I predate jogging as a sport, just did/do a bit of hiking-backpacking. One trip had some friends along that had 2 irish setters. The humans took there time as it was in the 10-12k altitude but the 2 dogs would dash off for a 1/2 mi in front then run back looking at us like were were holding them back and we needed to keep up. Got home and both dogs took a brief nap but were up and atem again after ~30 min of nap time ready to play chase the tennis ball... :shaking::D

D.

The highest I have ever been was 4863' (is highest point in WV).
I can feel it when hunting around 3500', even though I hunted regularly at 2000'.
I've live in low lands since 2001, and seldom get over 1000'.

I know I would die and being floundering around at 5000'
At 8000' I would probably like the guys trying to summit Everest :laughing:

The highest I have ever been was 4863' (is highest point in WV).
I can feel it when hunting around 3500', even though I hunted regularly at 2000'.
I've live in low lands since 2001, and seldom get over 1000'.

I know I would die and being floundering around at 5000'
At 8000' I would probably like the guys trying to summit Everest :laughing:

Well then come in the spring and we can spend a day shooting sage rats from our lawn chairs on the hey fields with a soda and the sweet sounds gunfire. They are only around 5K.

I grew up at ~15' (yes, fifteen) elevation. I really want to hunt out west but I fear altitude sickness :laughing:

The highest I have ever been was 4863' (is highest point in WV).
I can feel it when hunting around 3500', even though I hunted regularly at 2000'.
I've live in low lands since 2001, and seldom get over 1000'.

I know I would die and being floundering around at 5000'
At 8000' I would probably like the guys trying to summit Everest :laughing:

Get some blood pulled long enough for you to recover before the trip and have them keep just the red blood cells and pack them away. Right before your trip, have them put back in. Instant altitude conditioning :smokin:

Nothing in your lungs changes to make you more efficient at carrying oxygen, it's all got to do with the amount of oxygen you're blood can carry, when you condition yourself anywhere, your body produces more RBC's and they in turn carry more oxygen. Your lungs function the same with or without conditioning.

Get some blood pulled long enough for you to recover before the trip and have them keep just the red blood cells and pack them away. Right before your trip, have them put back in. Instant altitude conditioning :smokin:

Nothing in your lungs changes to make you more efficient at carrying oxygen, it's all got to do with the amount of oxygen you're blood can carry, when you condition yourself anywhere, your body produces more RBC's and they in turn carry more oxygen. Your lungs function the same with or without conditioning.

:confused:

So you are saying the Alveolia don't change depending on altitude conditioning :eek::eek:

Get some blood pulled long enough for you to recover before the trip and have them keep just the red blood cells and pack them away. Right before your trip, have them put back in. Instant altitude conditioning :smokin:

Nothing in your lungs changes to make you more efficient at carrying oxygen, it's all got to do with the amount of oxygen you're blood can carry, when you condition yourself anywhere, your body produces more RBC's and they in turn carry more oxygen. Your lungs function the same with or without conditioning.



"Packing" is a handy short term fix for athletes going to Denver to play at the Pepsi Center, Coors or Invesco Fields but not a long term solution. Ye need to increase lung capacity for higher altitudes along with increasing the heme levels in the blood because theres fewer O2 molecules available.


Theres other studies that say its a combination of lung capacity AND RBC count in the blood. One needs the RBC to carry but need the lung capacity (alveoli count actually) for enhanced transpiration. They found that out prior to the Olympics in Mexico City and its why the training center was built in Colorado Springs...One of the more interesting studies I ran into was done on Peruvian indians living at 9k+ ft. They have both a combination of enhanced lung capacity and more heme in the blood (AKA more red blood cells) yet the kids start out life with same-similar lung capacity and heme levels of a sea level dweller. In other words it takes time and effort to develop the requisite capacities.

D.

One of the more interesting studies I ran into was done on Peruvian indians living at 9k+ ft...

I believe the same study showed that when offspring from those same people thate were raised at or near sea level, that their lungs and blood count was the same as others raised at, or near, sea level.

It showed how the body adapts to different conditions during life. Obviously, the younger you are the quicker your body will adapt to the conditions.

"Packing" is a handy short term fix for athletes going to Denver to play at the Pepsi Center, Coors or Invesco Fields but not a long term solution. Ye need to increase lung capacity for higher altitudes along with increasing the heme levels in the blood because theres fewer O2 molecules available.


Theres other studies that say its a combination of lung capacity AND RBC count in the blood. One needs the RBC to carry but need the lung capacity (alveoli count actually) for enhanced transpiration. They found that out prior to the Olympics in Mexico City and its why the training center was built in Colorado Springs...One of the more interesting studies I ran into was done on Peruvian indians living at 9k+ ft. They have both a combination of enhanced lung capacity and more heme in the blood (AKA more red blood cells) yet the kids start out life with same-similar lung capacity and heme levels of a sea level dweller. In other words it takes time and effort to develop the requisite capacities.

D.

You don't actually pack more heme/cell, iirc, its just more RBC's so more heme. And the lung capacity never changes.

If someone wants to do the math, you need a partial pressure of O2 to be 60mm Hg or higher to saturate all the heme in your blood. So as long as the air in your lungs has at least 60mmHg PO2 your lungs are going to be working at maximum efficiency. Beyond that it's all up to the oxygen carrying ability of your blood.

I could be wrong on this, but we just went over this in class 2 weeks ago, so I'm 99% sure I've got it right.

Oh and I realize that packing in some more RBC's would be a short term fix. Having low O2 levels in your tissues releases hormones to start producing more RBC's. So if anything packing would only slow down your ultimate adaptation.

Louisiana Highest Point - Driskill Mt., LA - 535 ft.

Lafayette, La. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafayette,_Louisiana) - 36 ft. <--Born and now live here

Abbeville, La. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbeville,_Louisiana) - 16 ft. <--Grew up here

That being said, I didn't notice much other than being kinda dry when I went to Washington for the Naches run earlier this year. Granted, I didn't have to do much while I was there.

You don't actually pack more heme/cell, iirc, its just more RBC's so more heme. And the lung capacity never changes.

If someone wants to do the math, you need a partial pressure of O2 to be 60mm Hg or higher to saturate all the heme in your blood. So as long as the air in your lungs has at least 60mmHg PO2 your lungs are going to be working at maximum efficiency. Beyond that it's all up to the oxygen carrying ability of your blood.

I could be wrong on this, but we just went over this in class 2 weeks ago, so I'm 99% sure I've got it right.

Frankly that doesnt sound quite right. theres 760 mm at seal level out of which 80% is N2 and ~19.5% is O2. The ratio is constant with pressure and pressure decreases with altitude.

Calculating for sea level comes out to 148 mm O2 partial pressure. Taking it up a notch to 5000 ft with corresponds to a total pressure ~637 mm Hg which corresponds to 124 mm O2 partial pressure. Taking it to 20k ft yields a total pressur of 349mm Hg which corresponds to an O2 partial pressure of 68 mmHg.

The FAA "might" take exception to that given a pilot has to go on O2 at 15-20k ft altitude (IIRC) for anoxia reasons...That tells me that the "minimum" might be 60 but its not necessarily safe... ;)

D.

Frankly that doesnt sound quite right. theres 760 mm at seal level out of which 80% is N2 and ~19.5% is O2. The ratio is constant with pressure and pressure decreases with altitude.

Calculating for sea level comes out to 148 mm O2 partial pressure. Taking it up a notch to 5000 ft with corresponds to a total pressure ~637 mm Hg which corresponds to 124 mm O2 partial pressure. Taking it to 20k ft yields a total pressur of 349mm Hg which corresponds to an O2 partial pressure of 68 mmHg.

The FAA "might" take exception to that given a pilot has to go on O2 at 15-20k ft altitude (IIRC) for anoxia reasons...That tells me that the "minimum" might be 60 but its not necessarily safe... ;)

D.

I was hoping someone would do the math cause I actually was interested, but don't have time with studying.

Thats what the text book says... I'll find the page and scan it for you if you like.