Hi everyone. I though I might as well post up my build. It started life as a 1984 Chevy 3/4ton. My dad bought it new and used as a work truck for 7 years. It then was an old farm truck we used for another 12 years. When it was parked it had 360,000km on it. I had a 1975 Chev shortbox that I wrecked, so I swapped the parts on to this truck. It started off with 35 inch swampers, then 42 inch swampers, and finally 44 boggers. I am running 6 inch lift springs and a 3 inch body lift, with some trimming. The first motor I had in it was a 350, cam, intake, nothing special. I always wanted a supercharger, so I installed a small Weiand 142 ci blower. The power was OK, but I wanted more.

I accidently rolled the truck on its side, :rolleyes: so a cab swap was in order. I picked up a 1973 cab and front clip from a friend and we changed it over. After we changed the cab over, I moved overseas for work, so I have been slow in making any new progress. This summer I came back to Canada, for 5 weeks and the build started again. I decided while I was working to go all out and build the truck up right, so I bought parts!! I changed out the steering box from a PSC, steering shaft, relocated the rad to the rear. I all ready did the shackle flip with stock 63 inchers and bent the main leave, so Alcans where in order.

I picked up some new motor mounts, changed out my front shackles, removed the main leaf, bolted in a shock inboarding kit, finished mounting the rad, tranny cooler, and recieved the turbo's. :smokin:

I then rebuilt the front Dana 60. New axles, CTM joints, Dedenbear knuckles, king pin kit. The gears are 5.13 and I am running a spool in the front, detriot in the rear. I also added hydro assit steering and a new heavy duty drag link. I was running warn hubs, but I decided to go with drive slugs, for zero breakage.

specs on the turbos? are you going efi or running a blow threw carb?

Solid parts...no BS. I like it!

That is going to be a killer setup. Looks fun.

Now on to the turbo install. I had B&G Custom turbo fab up the kit. One of the guys there had a chevy truck to do the mock up on. I am running two 61mm Precision turbos, 40mm wastegates, and a 50mm pop off valve. I bought a Holley 750 DP from CSU. It has been modified for a blow through application.

When I had the engine out, I changed the torque converter and tranny. I am running a turbo 400, with a reverse manual valve body and Neil Chance torque converter. It should stall about 2800 rpm while on the brake. I am running an electric water pump, so I bought a serpentine kit from March Performance. Good quality kit. The power steering pump is from PSC and I bought a 140 amp alternator. I needed a new wiring harness, so I rewired the truck with a painless wiring kit.

More pics of the turbo set up. Bolted up the down pipes, built a support for the intercooler, plumbed in my power steering cooler, and coolant hoses. I used marine grade exhaust hose from the rad to the front, then I used hoses from coolflex to the water neck and pump. The coolflex hoses are made from corugated copper and will bend to any shape.

Next is the fuel system. I am running a 20 gallon fuel cell, Magnafuel Prostar 500 pump, and an aeromotive boost referenced 4 port regulator. The feed line from the cell is 12 AN to 10 AN feed and return lines. To the carb are 8 AN feed lines. Both the diff cover I got from DIY4X. They make great products, and I will buy from them again!!:) I moved the batteries to the rear, and wired up my winch controller. I cut the stock dash out when I swapped over the cab, and we built the new one.

The rad is a 33 in flexalite and the fans are also from flexalite. The tranny cooler is a B&M unit and I am running 6 AN stainless lines to the tranny. I built a bracket for my remote power steering res, and mounted it to the head.

I then installed my cable shifters, tranny shifter, oil accumulator (for when I roll it!!) and started on the methenol injection. I got the engine running before I left, but I run out of time to tune it properly. I still have to mod the shift rails on the NP 205, but I have to fab a new transfer case mount, so I will do it then.

Nice build:eek:,What are your plans for the truck.mud drags? What kind of H.P are you expecting?

Now a couple pics of how the truck sits now. I got the front clip on at 10 pm the night before I left, so I was cutting it close. Future plans include a full exocage, paint and body work, tapered skined out bed sides, fab new front bumper, bolt up a Warn 15000lb front winch, cut the boggers, plumb in cutting brakes and the list gones on..... I won't be back in Canada for another 8 months, so updates will be a long time coming. The truck is now at my good friends house, in his shop waiting to be tuned. I will try to post some video once I get it.

Killer motor....keep us updated.

Here are some specs on the motor. It is a 010 bolt, half filled, with aftermarket main caps. Hydraulic roller cam (550 lift 280ish duration 114 LSA), Victor JR heads (ported a bit), 1.6 ratio roller rockers, 8 to 1 compression, forged pistions, H beam rods, forged crank. The stock block is my weak link right now. I should be able to get away with 800 horsepower, or about 14 -17 psi. The turbos are capable of supporting 1300 hp, so once I blow this engine up (most likely by the crank dropping out of the bottom end) I will build a Dart based block, so I can then really crank up the boost. Once I have the good engine in, I am shooting for 1200 horsepower, at some where about 25 - 28 psi.:smokin:

I will be hitting a few mud drags, but mostly it is just to have a hell of alot of fun with. Nobody is going to want to follow me through the mud!!

Here are a few poser flex pics after we did the 63" swap. The junk yard springs didn't hold up long. The main leaves bent just from this!!

damn, this truck is brutal

That turbo setup is sweet. Looks killer, and probably sounds pretty good too. One question, though. Do you think the P/S reservoir will get extremely hot being next to the header and turbo? Hard to tell from the pic how much room was around it for airflow.

Anyway, way to think outside the mainstream box with the engine setup.

Stephen

There is about 4" between the P/S res and the header. I hope it won't transfer too much heat, but I haven't had it running long enough to tell. If it does get too hot, I will just have to build a new mount. I have enough room to move the P/S res. in about another 4".

Thanks for your comments.

It might just be me, but that shackle angle on the front springs looks horrible. Looks like you wont have any droop at all.

Rest of the truck setup is awesome though.

I am running an electric water pump, so I bought a serpentine kit from March Performance. Good quality kit.

Do you have the part number on that kit?

Crazy build. I approve!! :D

What made you decide to go blow through rather than EFI? With today's technology and tuning power I can't imagine doing anything else! Unless you're just looking for WOT performance...

Dam that thing's bad ass! Definitly a good looking truck you got there!

Driveability should'nt be any issue. Blow through carbs are a lot different than a normal set up. Throtle response is instant, easy to tune, and less cost. If this was a 1/4 mile car, I would have run fuel injection. The tuning, and timing management is must more important in able to get the power to the track, but in mud, you are not concerned with this.

I still haven't finished the front suspension yet. I will be changing the front springs to 56" Alcan's, but I run out of time. I was undecided if I should 4 link the front or longer springs, but I finally decided on the leaf springs.

Do you have the part number on that kit?

I bought the kit from Jegs. Here is the part # 655-22007-09. The -09 was for a press fit power steering pump pulley. You also need to order the proper alternator and power steering kits, for which water pump you buy. I went with the Meziere 55 gal/hr. water pump, and here are the adapter part #'s 655-22091(alt) and 655-22096(P/S). I am very pleased with the quality from March.

That turbo setup is killer :smokin: Defiantly a sleeper

I think leafs will work better for what you're doing. Have any video to post?

I had some video on my camera, but the wife accidently deleted it. I am hoping to get some video from my buddy, after he takes the truck in to get tuned.

He drives like me, so it should be good. :D

Alberta EH? Seriously though, killer setup, always wanted to turbocharge a engine I like the idea of free (sort of) horspower. Get that vid posted.:homer:

Thats a sick bro you need to post some mud pictures and Movies bor SICK

Moar!!! Hate that you are going to be gone for 8 months before we can see some more of this build.

Wow man, this is a killer build! I can't wait to see how it turns out.

Do you plan on building some protection for your rear mounted rad, fuel cell, etc.? I would hate to see all that expensive stuff get mangled!

Sweet turbo set-up. How much do you figure you will have into the turbos?Looking forward to seeing more of the build. :smokin:

rrr

I saw this on EVO's site and now just re-read everything again on here.. This truck just makes me smile! :D

Thanks for all the complements:)

I will be getting an exocage built. It will be with a rear cage that protects everything and so I can hang some box sides off it. I am going to run the exhaust through 6" stacks that will be mounted off the cage as well.

I was going to buy a bender and do it myself, but since I don't live in Canada anymore, it could take me years to finish. I just can't wait that long. :shaking: I will be looking into getting a shop in Alberta to do the tube work in the new year.

Yes, I think the rear winch should be big enough. The front winch is 15K Warn as well. :grinpimp:

Looks fucking killer.:smokin:

And this truck is being built in Thailand?

if you acctualy read the thread you would know the truck is being built in canada, and he is living in Thailand....


Great build. Looking forward to the completion.

Asshole for making us wait 8 months. :D The first pic of the twins setup almost made me have happy time in the pants :laughing:

Looks fucking killer.:smokin:

And this truck is being built in Thailand?

if you acctualy read the thread you would know the truck is being built in canada, and he is living in Thailand....


Ouch, put in place by a noob :flipoff2: :laughing:

Ouch, put in place by a noob :flipoff2: :laughing:

:laughing:

Yup, didn't catch the "built in Canada part"

I am getting ready for a twin turbo S-10 build up myself...now for the bad news...how much for what you just put on....meaning the turbo setup?

Looks like you have unlimited amount of funds. Nice truck!
What do you do for a living overseas? and how close are you to spending 20K?

Looks like you have unlimited amount of funds. Nice truck!
What do you do for a living overseas? and how close are you to spending 20K?

Thanks!! I don't have unlimited funds, I just have been building it for the last 4 years. I work as a directional drilling supervisor on a offshore drilling rig. I have a pretty nice contract over here, so I can afford to spend some on my toys.

I am getting ready for a twin turbo S-10 build up myself...now for the bad news...how much for what you just put on....meaning the turbo setup?

Good job hijack genius.

Thanks!! I don't have unlimited funds, I just have been building it for the last 4 years. I work as a directional drilling supervisor on a offshore drilling rig. I have a pretty nice contract over here, so I can afford to spend some on my toys.

just out of curiosity, who makes the directional drilling tooling that you use?
my dads company makes all sorts of driectional drilling and measurement while drilling equipment

Looking forward to this build

Good job hijack genius.

Calm down Jr. don't get your panties in a bunch.....now go sit in the corner...:flipoff2:

bad ass build, i run the same turbo on my rx7 (very pleased with it) are you planing on runing snorkels, to much money to vapor lock the motor.

:eek: Nice Build!
Do you have more interior pics? I've been dreaming up a dash like that but thought I had to wait for a cage for structural integrity of the cab.

These are the only pics of the dash I have. We cut entire stock dash out, only leaving the VIN tag and the defrost vents. We bolted the cross bar to the cab using stock dash mounting holes. The structural integrity of the cab should be fine.

Nice job on the plumbing and turbo pipeing, sounds like a pretty bad ass set up . One question though, why did you spend all that time and money on a blow through set up on a carb? I dont know how much exsperiance you have with turbos but fuel management and timing are critical if you want the motor to live past the first wide open run!not just to get a drag car to hook.I have a 3950cc tubocharged corvaiar in a chenoawah sand rail and know well what a pain in the ass blow through can be! EFI Is so much better, both to set up and tune! just plug in the lap top.how much boost are you going to run?With 12 psi my motor made 412HP \on sunoco blue with base timing at 6 deg, BTDC I also have a boost referenced fuel pres reg. water methanol injection and boost referanced timing retard that pulls 1 degree out for every 2 psi of boost. static comp ratio is 7.5 to 1 but it is not intercooled. I spent 8 weeks getting the tune down pat on the dyno and it was time well spent. I also built a 638 inch Aries twin plug hemi with twin 80mm garrett turbos twin 105lb per hour injecters per cylinder in a custom enderley Injection set up that was intercooled, while working at Eliete enginering in portland or.that motor made 3800 hp at 7200 rpm on alcohol,and so much torque the dyno brake could not hold the motor below 4000 rpm. the motor went in a off shore race boat.s If you need any help PM me, I love this kind of shit! Should be one bad ass truck once its set up!I am currently building a 4 runner with a intercooled paxton blown 4.3 vortec at 16 PSI with Water/methanol injection a sm 465/203-205 doubler d70r d60f 5.35,s 4linked with 2.5 fox airs.I,ll try to get some pics, posted.

These are the only pics of the dash I have. We cut entire stock dash out, only leaving the VIN tag and the defrost vents. We bolted the cross bar to the cab using stock dash mounting holes. The structural integrity of the cab should be fine.

Thanks man. I like it! That's what i'd like to do with mine. If only I wasn't such a Newb. :D When doing this did you use anything to stabilize the cab.

When doing this did you use anything to stabilize the cab.

Are you serious?? You make it sound like the dash is the keystone of the cab's structural integrity...:shaking: I'm sure your doors will still close whether your dash is intact or not.

The turbo setup looks awesome Brad, when are you going to be home again?

So it has been awhile since my last post.

The truck finally is tuned and ready to go.....................12 psi, 6100 rpm, 670 rear wheel horsepower, 4600 rpm 690 ft/lbs torque. This is with running 33 inch slicks on the dyno. I think it should be fun!!! The tuning specs are : 32 deg total timing, pulling 1.1 degrees per pound of boost, 74 front jets, 78 rear jets, boost referenced power valve, snow performance methenol injection. On the dyno we had a solid 11.5 AFR through out the RPM band. The carb works flawless. CSU carbs rock!!


I will be back in Canada in August so more video will be coming. I can't wait to get her in the mud and load up the engine.

Here is a link to a short vid. YouTube - Twin turbo mud truck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrH4j-eOzU8)

Very nice!:smokin:

Sounds very good in the video. I keep playing over and over! :D

How close are you to the 1200 hp at the engine

very nice. Work of art. I love the sound of turbos.

12 psi, 6100 rpm, 670 rear wheel horsepower, 4600 rpm 690 ft/lbs torque.

How close are you to the 1200 hp at the engine

Wanna re-read that one again?

and he might be almost to 800 at the crank. There is a 1200 hp truck on youtube under the search "sand truck". I'm not much into mud but I would definately drive the hell out of 670 hp in the dunes.

nice! 11.5 is where you want it. now lets see a WOT pass around a turn. :smokin:

What painless harness you got? doesnt look like a stock one haha

i keep wondering just how much turbo you need for a short stroke turbo motor... ive been contemplating this for a while.

max rpm 7500
stroke 3.766
bore 4.6

114 lobe separation cam...

subcribed :smokin:

Wanna re-read that one again?

There's not much to re read. 670 at the rear wheels and I was referring to the engine output. Obviously it's gonna drop at the rear wheels

bawwwwwwwww...TISSSSS

haha that video is the shit. Nice truck.

any updates

Badass ride.

That is one sick rig, Would love to know the number on that truck Hp and Torque.

read a few post above you

if half of you would have read the whole thread, you would know that the guys not even on the same continent as his vehicle.

Nice job on the plumbing and turbo pipeing, sounds like a pretty bad ass set up . One question though, why did you spend all that time and money on a blow through set up on a carb? I dont know how much exsperiance you have with turbos but fuel management and timing are critical if you want the motor to live past the first wide open run!not just to get a drag car to hook.I have a 3950cc tubocharged corvaiar in a chenoawah sand rail and know well what a pain in the ass blow through can be! EFI Is so much better, both to set up and tune! just plug in the lap top.how much boost are you going to run?With 12 psi my motor made 412HP \on sunoco blue with base timing at 6 deg, BTDC I also have a boost referenced fuel pres reg. water methanol injection and boost referanced timing retard that pulls 1 degree out for every 2 psi of boost. static comp ratio is 7.5 to 1 but it is not intercooled. I spent 8 weeks getting the tune down pat on the dyno and it was time well spent. I also built a 638 inch Aries twin plug hemi with twin 80mm garrett turbos twin 105lb per hour injecters per cylinder in a custom enderley Injection set up that was intercooled, while working at Eliete enginering in portland or.that motor made 3800 hp at 7200 rpm on alcohol,and so much torque the dyno brake could not hold the motor below 4000 rpm. the motor went in a off shore race boat.s If you need any help PM me, I love this kind of shit! Should be one bad ass truck once its set up!I am currently building a 4 runner with a intercooled paxton blown 4.3 vortec at 16 PSI with Water/methanol injection a sm 465/203-205 doubler d70r d60f 5.35,s 4linked with 2.5 fox airs.I,ll try to get some pics, posted.


I have tuned many blow thru setups and many FI setups on our chassis dyno and at the track, the blow thru setups arent any harder to tune than the FI ones are. Either can be relatively simple and either can be a PIA. I tune every BT setup with a laptop as well and he metioned he has a C&S carb so it should be pretty close out of the box jet wise based on my exp. with C&S.

I do have a question about the combo you mentioned in your post, you stated that the twin 105 lbs inj. made 3800hp on alchohol. Curious as to how this is physically possible??? I have seen twin 160's at over 90% on a 2800hp gas motor and we all know how much more vol. of alchohol it takes to make power. At that amount of power I would think you would need 3 160's or twin 212's?? I would love to hear the theory behind this. Thanks

The interior looks sweet on this rig man. great job on the whole project. :grinpimp:

if half of you would have read the whole thread, you would know that the guys not even on the same continent as his vehicle.

You took the words right out of my mouth! By the way this thing is fuckin nasty, I can't wait to see more of it and more progress. Hopefully some new videos too. :eek:

I have tuned many blow thru setups and many FI setups on our chassis dyno and at the track, the blow thru setups arent any harder to tune than the FI ones are. Either can be relatively simple and either can be a PIA. I tune every BT setup with a laptop as well and he metioned he has a C&S carb so it should be pretty close out of the box jet wise based on my exp. with C&S.

I do have a question about the combo you mentioned in your post, you stated that the twin 105 lbs inj. made 3800hp on alchohol. Curious as to how this is physically possible??? I have seen twin 160's at over 90% on a 2800hp gas motor and we all know how much more vol. of alchohol it takes to make power. At that amount of power I would think you would need 3 160's or twin 212's?? I would love to hear the theory behind this. Thanks


Turbos in general used to be the black voodoo science. Now that people managed to get it through their heads that they are way more efficient than superchargers, turbos with carbs is the black art. Soon enough they'll realize that CSU (who made his carb) and C&S know exactly what they are doing - and mod'ing a Holley 4150 isn't rocket science at all and actually works damn good.

About the alcohol thing.. if we are talking about methanol (he didn't specify) - it has about half the volumetric energy of gasoline... soooo... unless he pushed those injectors to about 135% duty cycle (yes, impossible) or was running about 125psi fuel pressure on GASOLINE.. you are way correct on calling shenanigans on the methanol (in theory would take twice as much fuel as mentioned in the gasoline quote)

Edit: Assuming a .60 BSFC for the turbos - and a 80% duty cycle on the 16 injectors when figuring fuel pressure. Just specifying so that when I get flamed, people can do the math for themselves and see I'm not talking out my ass.

so, vermin... question for you... a serious one.

whats it gonna take, injector wise, turbo-wise, to get a 500 inch bbc *(3.766 stroke x 4.60 bore) to make 1500 hp and run to say 7500 rpm?

I was thinking something along the lines of a 2200 cfm injectorator throttle body *(MFI) and gas, but i dont know enough to make a qualified determination about turbo sizing...

I know the basics, but not enough to provide myself a value judgement i trust.

The formula goes something like this...

Horsepower X BSFC (which should be in the .60 - .65 range as a general rule of thumb for turbo motors) divided by number of injectors X duty cycle (80% is a great target).

So in your case - 1500 X .60 = 900. Assuming you want to run 8 injectors - 8 X .80 = 6.4. 900 / 6.4 = 140# injectors. This is assuming you are running a "standard" 43-44psi fuel pressure - you can get away with a slightly smaller injector by jacking the pressure a bit. There are a lot of big injectors out there - you won't have a problem finding them if you look around at Bosch and Mototrons.

Injectorator - haven't seen one of those in a while - that is the Bill Mitchell setup yeah? Don't sweat the CFM rating on the "throttle body" - LOL - weren't those carbs converted to throttle bodies? There are guys making damn near 2000hp off a 4150 Holley carb body - turbos have a way of ignoring cfm ratings.

The turbos are wide open. You ask 5 people and you'll get 5 different answers. With 500 cubic inches, you have a lot of room to play with bigger compressor housings. It all depends on where you need it to spool and how 'racey' you want it I guess. I am personally putting two Borg Warner S400's on a 468 inch big block. Everyone will scream and complain that they are way too big for my motor and I'll never spool them - but I will. So what if they don't start to spool till 4000RPM - I spin that motor to 9000+ and if it is THAT big of a deal, I'm leaving a small'ish fogger system on the motor to artificially spool them. What you should do is set some goals on where you need your boost - then determine if you are going to run a T4 or T6 compressor housing - then determine what AR you really want. From there, the turbine side is easy - just find some turbos that will flow enough LBS/MIN at the pressure ratio you want to be at and the rest should be cake (except the paying for them part).

Didn't really plan on hijacking this thread.. PM me if you want more help :)

Rob -

looks like i have some work to do.

thanks.

/hijack

Shit is gonna break

Shit is gonna break
Now what makes you say that?:flipoff2:

Shit, seeing all this makes me want to turbo my 4.3l. haha

Shit, seeing all this makes me want to turbo my 4.3l. haha

no no no, twin turbo!!!!!!!!!!

Here are a couple more clips. I will be taking her out on Sunday, so I should get some good vids then.



YouTube - Twin turbo mud truck #3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMcgE3FQvAM)

YouTube - Twin turbo mud truck #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2t8tXpSEc)

MORE!!!

Everything should have a turbo on it btw. :D

thats things just sick .looks good too

needs more traction!

i like it, with the exception of the lag on start... Im sure you have that figured out, too. once you get traction, youre gone.... keep up the work. Itll pay off

i have ALWAYS thought chrome stack exhaust was the gayest thing ever, and i cringed when i heard you were gonna put 6" stacks on this truck. but holy jebus thats acctualy siick. all other stack exhaust is still gay tho

Way to trench the yard.

How much boost? Seems to me that the turbos might be a bit big judging by the lag on the start......as much as you were stalling it it should have been loading the turbos but it wasnt. Really wasnt making the turbos scream when you let outta it either.

Awesome! Big turbos make for cool exhaust temps. The lag on the bottom isn't so bad as well in normal driving. It allows you to get things moving before adding the power. Some turbo'd rigs have torque management for this reason.



Way cool truck. I have started playing with turbos on my Cummins and that has made me want to turbo my 5.9 gasser wheeling rig.

It sucks being gone 5 or more months at a time and wanting to work on your projects, but it gives you more than enough time to work out every single little detail and research everything and ask the experts before buying anything.....

sweetest lawnmower ive seen...very nice

On gassers you dont have to worry about EGT's. If its not detonating its fine....plus as long as its not running lean its fine. To cool EGT's in a gasser you just fatten the fuel mixture a bit.

Oh and if you havent heard......torque management blows!:flipoff2: He built this thing to race, not to get groceries in. That thing should zing out when he hits the throttle.

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck #4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3mLP2OteA)

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck #5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sdn_iMywQk)

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck #6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfv0iBE9nak)

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIp1viSk1Qs)

good god that thing is sick

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck # 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bapgh9OnrBI)

I lost my power steering pump on the first run of the day. PSC pumps sure don't like high RPM. I am going to try a stock pump and see what happens.


YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck # 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFAW5tj-NXU)

MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!!!!!!:bounce2::bounce2::bounce::bounce:

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck # 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68gdH0niId8)

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck # 11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGVa3xj13w4)

Very nice ride! My only concern is over time the headers will fatigue and crack with no supports to them for the turbos(or maybe I missed them). Very nicely done though.

Nice! :D

im curious to see what that yard looks like from a plane :D nice build dude

I second that. That is just RUDE I love it man.

LOVE IT!

Not to hi-jack, but, I'm building a Twin turbo (Holset HX35) big block dodge M-37, your build is an inspiration!!

Ok boys it's time for an update.

I am in the process of getting a new short block. The new engine is a 421" SBC.

Here are the specs:
Dart Litlle M block - Bored to 4.165"
Callies Dragonslayer crank - 350 mains, 3.85" stroke
Diamond Turbo -38cc pistons - 4.165" bore
6" Howards Ultimate Billet rods

The cam is a Cam Motion turbo hydraulic roller. Specs are below:
dur. @ .050 int. 250 exh. 242
lift with 1.6 int. .608 exh. .593
lobe sep. 115
int. c/l 112

I am running the same Vic JR heads, with some porting and new inconel exhaust valves.

The goal is 1200 hp and 1000 ft/lbs torque. The power will now be limited by the 61mm turbos.

I also decided that the 44" boggers were just too small, so 14.9-R24 R1's are taking their place. I went with Goodyear Dyna Torq II's

Since my front Dana 60 will not live with these tires, 1200hp and me behind the wheel, I am getting a 14 bolt front diff built. I decided to go with 300M 40 spline inners with an ARB up front. I will keep my 35 spline outers with a 300M stub. I still debating on what to do with the rear 14 bolt. I have visions of the Detroit not liking me, so I am leaning towards a 40 spline spool 300M axles and drive flanges.

I am still overseas working, but I will be back home in the first week of October and the engine will be on the dyno then with video to follow.

My engine build should be emailing some pics, and I will post them when I get em.

watching your mud drag vids is like watching free porn fir gearheads. that thing sounds sick as hell!!!! love it:D

Can't wait to see this thing updated! Just built my 14 front and wish I had the money and horsepower to need to do a 40 spline and 300m Set-up, I thought superior was the shit but not compared to this!

I have dreams of my truck with a 8.1 and twinturbo set to replace to 5.3 in it.

Good luck and beautiful truck so far!

i may have missed it, but from some of the videos it looks like you arent running any kinda of traction bars. does it ever get axle hop? badass truck i wish i could afford to build one like it.

The rear Alcan springs help alot. I don't have any wheel hop with the boggers, but I will with the R1's.

I didn't get around to installing the anti wrap bar, but there are plans in the works. Once the engine is done, the trucks going in to the shop. The front end will be tubed, exocage, and a few other things. :D

Here are some teaser shots of the new wheels and tires. My buddy picked them up yesterday. I will be back in Canada in 10 days, and I can't wait.

Awesome wheel and tire combo! There's a couple guys at our local track using a similar setup and are the quickest trucks out there. Here's a video of them blowing through the track in seconds.

YouTube - mudracing1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR3kclRw5Zk&feature=related)

Awesome wheel and tire combo! There's a couple guys at our local track using a similar setup and are the quickest trucks out there. Here's a video of them blowing through the track in seconds.

YouTube - mudracing1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR3kclRw5Zk&feature=related) fawk ya :smokin:

Here are a few pics of the new tires mounted. The old 44's look small!

mean

Well got some bad news on the motor today. It looks like there is a casting flaw in the Dart Block. The machine shop was cleaning the deck surface up, and found an air pocket/porosity on the deck.

The Dart dealer has already shipped a new block, but it is coming from Miami, Florida up to Edmonton Alberta, so it takes about one week.

I was hoping to have the engine on the dyno next week, but thats not going to happen. I am only back in Canada for 10 days this year, so I will have to wait until next year to get the motor in.

TOO FREEKING COOL!!

Thanks for sharing this man!

:smokin::smokin::smokin:

You might want to flip your tranny cooler over so the connections are at the top. It will trap air inside it being in that position...

I picked up some new motor mounts, changed out my front shackles, removed the main leaf, bolted in a shock inboarding kit, finished mounting the rad, tranny cooler, and recieved the turbo's. :smokin:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=408759&stc=1&d=1229195019

Awesome build up. What size are those new tires?

Those are usually around 49" tall.

Awesome build up. What size are those new tires?

The tires are 50" tall and 14.5" wide.

Here's a pic of the block. It shows the casting flaw.

And here's some pics of the engine's internals :smokin:

And a shot of the new turbos.

I see rockwells in your future....COOL BUILD!

I see rockwells in your future....COOL BUILD!

yupp those 1tons are gona hate you.

suck the block was bad

what job do you do?

what's your degree in?

love the truck keep the vids coming!

Awe, I love the sound of turbo's spooling in the morning.

can you go into more detail about your ignition system? I'm dreaming up a similar (a lot less expen$ive) build, but my only knowledge of turbocharging is on diesels. Your truck is SICK, I can't wait to see the new motor in action. Subscribed.

can you go into more detail about your ignition system? I'm dreaming up a similar (a lot less expen$ive) build, but my only knowledge of turbocharging is on diesels. Your truck is SICK, I can't wait to see the new motor in action. Subscribed.


I have upgraded my ignition system. I was running a 6AL BTM analog box, but it is now not enough to handle the new engine.

Now I got a MSD Digital 7531 ignition box, MSD MAP sensor and matching MSD HVC coil.

First I lock the timing out, and set the initial timing to 36 degrees. The MAP sensor reads the boost or vacuum of the engine, and the ignition box retards the timing according to the level of boost. I can build a digital ignition map which allows much more control over the timing.

Time for an update:

The new engine is still not done. I am still waiting on a replacement block. I bought the block from Cobra Power in Miami, Florida. In October, they sent the first replacement block up to Edmonton. It turned out to be a Dart Iron Eagle block, and I can not use it.

The dealer has still not shipped the second block up to my engine builder. I have involved Dart in the fiasco, and I hope to see a new block in the first part on December.

I also have bought new turbos. I stepped up to twin 67mm precisions, so 1500hp here we come!! :flipoff2: I am actually looking for 1000 hp on pump gas and it should be possible with the set up.

I am really hoping to have some dyno numbers soon.

what job do you do?

what's your degree in?

love the truck keep the vids coming!

Awe, I love the sound of turbo's spooling in the morning.


Thank man!!

I am a directional driller and work on offshore oil rigs. I don't have a degree, just the school of hard knocks.

Time to figure out how to harness that power and put it to the ground.... having it is great, rooster tails are cool... carrying the front tires is even better!

i hate mud trucks.. but this one is by far my favorite..

I have upgraded my ignition system. I was running a 6AL BTM analog box, but it is now not enough to handle the new engine.



Thanks for the info. PM me if you want to get rid of the old box.

Thanks for the info. PM me if you want to get rid of the old box.


Thanks for the offer, but shes already gone.

Here's a few more videos I found. I am in Northeastern Malaysia waiting to go offshore and am getting bored in the hotel. Not much to do in a Muslim town!

YouTube - Twin Turbo mud truck #12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa2G3RxGb-I)

YouTube - Twin Turbo Mud Truck #13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdsCxju_k4)

Sick rig.

See you at the Alberta mud bogs this summer.

Nat

Driveability should'nt be any issue. Blow through carbs are a lot different than a normal set up. Throtle response is instant, easy to tune, and less cost

How about driveability at different angles? I always figured the stalling problem on rigs would go away with a blow through setup.

How about driveability at different angles? I always figured the stalling problem on rigs would go away with a blow through setup.


So far I haven't have any issues. I still have yet to get into any extreme angles, so time will tell on that.

subcribed :smokin:, Very nice rig man, Keep up the good work... cant wait to see more pics and Vids.. That fucking spool sounds sick.. Love it.. :D

And a shot of the new turbos.

nice :grinpimp:

A couple updates...

The new block has still not been shipped up from Florida. I have been fairly laid back so far, but that is about to change. My engine builder has been waiting since the first week of November, with very poor communication from the Dart dealer down in Florida. I will give them a couple days into the new year before I start getting pissed.

Now on to the axles. I have spoken to a few members on the board here and have decided to ditch idea of the front 14 bolt.

Instead I am going to go with 2 1/2 ton rockwells. I am working on getting some turn key axles built. I will post the axle build up in the New year.

Cheers,
rigpig

I've got a 1050 Dominator setup for blow through by C&S specialties if you need a carb , and new tophat.

send me a pm with pixs and price for the carb hat

thanks

sweet! when i read on the first page you saying you were going with a dart block once the stock block gives out, i was hoping you would go ahead with a 400sb dart block! a good buddy of mine ran a 421 stroker in his rx7 drag car on a multi stage nitrous setup and it would all the way down the track and pull high 9 seconds all day long....

look at overson engineering they can build you turn key rockwell axles that will last

dang it man!!! i need updates!!! im not a fan of mud trucks, but now i want to build one like this!!! ya the first vid of the turbo's made me have to change my pants!!! cant wait to hear the new motor!!!!!:eek::eek:

gott to say looks damm good

I just got a few pics from the engine builder. The 3rd replacement block from Dart was finally correct. He should be buttoning up the engine next week, then onto the dyno.:smokin:

Damn that's purdy.

Damn that's purdy.

:beer:

your truck is ridiculous, very nice

Thanks for the complements boys!!

I am going to call tomorrow and see when the engines supossed to be on the dyno. My engine builder took a 2 week holiday to Hawaii, so it has been delayed.

Not like it matters much.......I am not going to be home for atleast another 7-8 months:shaking:

Oh well, just in time to do some snow wheeling:D

I really love the sound of that thing. Awesome build!

Thanks^^

I spoke with my builder today and there are 2 engines up before mine. They will be breaking the engine in N/A first and then bolt up the turbos, so it will tie up the dyno for a couple days. Once I get the videos and numbers I will be sure to post them up:smokin:


So with that sorted, I have been looking hard at all my axle options. I have something in the works and should know soon.

Cheers,
rigpig

Well, tomorrow's the big day for the dyno.

The engine builder broke the engine in yesterday. He never tuned on the engine, they just wanted to get the rings to seat, bring the engine up to operating temp and check for leaks.

The engine made 430 hp with out the turbos. This was with my blow through carb, which was running rich, as it is supposed to. The goal of 1000 hp on pump gas looks to be in reach:D

Since I am out of the country, my good friend is going to be there tomorrow and he will take some video. I will post up some youtube links and the dyno sheet when I get them.

Cheers!
rigpig

1000 hp will be easy to get with a set of twins tuned properly.
My senior year project was a 357 SBC twin turbo setup built to the hill and we made 931 hp at 5500 rpm. Ive got a dyno sheet around here somewhere if you like to see it the thing made rediculous power even down low.

Well, the engine builder had a few problems on the first days dyno. He was having issues with my boost controller and his O2 sensor took a nap. So far, the engine has made 709 hp and 862 ft/lbs torque. This was a 5600 RPM pull with 8 psi.

They are going again on Monday, so hopefully the problems are sorted out.

Cheers,
rigpig

Can't wait for the results!

What are your plans as far as boost goes? How much i mean. Ours made about the same with 10psi then we jumped to 20 then 30 just kept gaining power everytime but thats expected.
Nice build!!!!

What are your plans as far as boost goes? How much i mean. Ours made about the same with 10psi then we jumped to 20 then 30 just kept gaining power everytime but thats expected.
Nice build!!!!

The engine is built for 30 psi. Since I am just running pump gas, 20 psi should about be the max boost. I am shooting for 1000 hp on pump gas, because the carb I have now will only flow about 550 lbs/hour of fuel.

If I go to a 850 blow through with dual needle and seat fuel bowls and run C 16 fuel, I could make 1500 hp with this engine. I will have to see down the road.

Cheers,
rigpig

any more dyno runs?

Nope.

I am usually patient but, DYNO DYNO DYNO DYNO!

Well guys, I figured I would give some updates.

The dyno sessions have not gone well. I won't go into detail, but a new engine builder is taking over. This has turned quite ugly and will take some time to straighten out.


Now on to some good news.

I have been on the look out for a new transmission. I decided to go with a powerglide and just found a smoking deal on what I need. I just picked up this Pro-Glide direct from Hughes. Here's the specs.

Fresh Hughes Pro-Glide with Pro Mod option for sale, part number 28-3X-69B2A, standard length. Transmission had 16 passes on it and was traded in towards the purchase of one of our XP4 Powerglide transmissions. Transmission has been completely disassembled, inspected, freshened with all new friction materials/seals/gaskets/sealing rings/bearings/bushings, recertified, and dyno tested by Hughes Performance. Features of this transmission include:

~ ATI SFI-certified modular transmission case with bolt-on bellhousing (Chevy pattern), fresh 5-year SFI certification
~ Heavy duty extension housing with roller bearings
~ CNC-machined billet aluminum front pump
~ Chromoly steel bolt-in stator support
~ Custom alloy billet steel ringless input shaft, 30-spline
~ Pro Mod drum with 10 red Alto clutches, 10 heavy duty steels, and CNC-machined billet aluminum apply piston
~ Extra wide billet steel clutch hub
~ Proprietary extreme duty band
~ Dual ring billet aluminum servo
~ Billet aluminum servo cover
~ Custom calibrated servo spring
~ Heat treated band adjuster
~ 9310 billet steel straight-cut planetary gear set, 1.69 ratio
~ Case hardened and carburized planetary pins
~ 4340 forged steel planetary carrier and output shaft assembly (standard 27-spline)
~ Full roller bearing construction throughout transmission
~ Pro Series fluid release transbrake valve body
~ Oversize heavy duty rebuildable transbrake solenoid
~ High flow filter
~ Deep cast aluminum pan, holds 2 extra quarts of fluid
~ 7 red Alto clutches and heavy duty steels in reverse
~ Rated for 2,000+ flywheel horsepower

Awesome transmission!

All I gotta ask on the engine is was anything broken? :(

Yeesh, that sucks about your mill. Hope it's not the same shop building my short block right now.
Nice build though, good job.

Yeesh, that sucks about your mill. Hope it's not the same shop building my short block right now.
Nice build though, good job.


The engine builder is from the states, so probably not. I hope you have better luck than me!

spill it man.

Well......time for some updates.

Since I live overseas, the build was taking much too long for my liking. I have been cruising the for sale section on PBB, looking for a good solid project. I had an idea of what I wanted and realized it could take years for me to finally build my truck up to where I want it to be.


So....I bought this. Some of you will remember it as Big Red from TTC 2007.

It worked out that the truck was 10 miles away from B&G Custom Turbo down in Ohio. B&G are the guys who built the turbo kit for my first engine. Before I bought the truck, I called up Brian from B&G and asked him to take a look at the truck for me. It turns out he is a bit of a mud truck guy and happily agreed to check the truck for me. Here is what old Big Red looks like now. It's missing a few body panels, but for the most part, a solid start.

So, Brian and I started talking about the truck and what I was going to do with it. We come up with a plan....Brian offered to get the truck running and turn key for me. Since I just don't come back home enough..... here it goes.

The engine builder that f*cked up the first engine is out. I called up Steve Morris, of Steve Morris Racing Engines and he is going to make right the f*ck up. Steve Morris is one of the most knowledgeable boosted engine builders period. He will build a solid engine, that makes some good power.

I will be changing a few things on the truck and the engine. The blow threw carb is out. I bought the Fast XFI 2.0 EFI system and will now be going for a max effort 421 cid twin turbo build.

Here are a few more details on Big Red copied from the ad in the for sale section.

• Complete frame all integrated with tubing. Full cage tying into the bed area
• Rear mounted Monster aluminum Be Cool radiator with duel fans. Built in a ploy carbonated box to protect from mud and water. Hard lines run to engine compartment.
• SCS drop box with quick change option, 1480 yokes
• Custom Differential built 2 ½ ton axles with high clearance pans. Complete Overson Engineering 47-spline axle’s front and rear with front locker and rear spool.
• Steering system consists of a high volume Howe pump and orbital valve. Custom build stainless steel double ended ram.
• Be Cool coolers for the trans and steering with fans all plumbed with steel braided and Russell fittings
• This truck has a complete chrome-molly four link suspension system using 2 ½ “molly links with 1 ¼ “alloy hiems. The shocks are 18” dual rate King 3.0’s with remote reservoirs. It also has king 4” bump stops and limiting straps.
• Interior consist of beard racing bucket seats and Simpson harnesses. All auto-meter phantom gauges. A complete painless wiring harness with duel battery setup. Only thing needed is the ignition box.
• Tires are 54x21x20” Boggers mounted on Marsh HD bead-locks.
• There’s a Warn 16.5 winch with synthetic rope installed in the front ready for action.
• PIAA hid lights on bumper.
•Electric vacuum pump for breaks for engines that do not produce vacuum.

A few pics of the suspension, axles and interior.

Here are some of the changes I am going to make.

Front and rear sway bars will be fabbed.

I am still going to run the 14.9 V treads, so I bought some Ouverson Super 8 hubs to replace the 6 bolt rockwell pattern.

The engine is going to be mounted with a front and mid plate with limiting supports. This allows us to move the engine further back in the frame and will be stronger than the stock motor mounts.

New body panels will be going on. The rear box sides and the front fenders are going to be removable. The roll cage will be tied into the front shock hoops and once the engine is in, a full engine cage will be built.

I will be putting my 15K Warn winch in the rear bumper now, since the front has a 16.5k Warn.

I few other ideas will be going in, but these are the main goals.

Nice! That was my favorite TTC truck. :)

I am so fucking jealous, and happy for you at the same time!

I would lower it about 6" if it were me. Congrats.

Edit: I see you are wanting v treads. Press on.

Some great news, bud! :D Looking forward to seeing the new motor come together, and this should end up being the total package that you've been aiming for since the beginning...:smokin: Hopefully the boys at B&G won't be stingy with the pics. :grinpimp:

I am so fucking jealous, and happy for you at the same time!

I would lower it about 6" if it were me. Congrats.

Edit: I see you are wanting v treads. Press on.

Thanks!

I do plan on dropping the truck. The tires I am running are 50" V treads, so I don't need the extra clearance. We will be doing some fender trimming:D

Some great news, bud! :D Looking forward to seeing the new motor come together, and this should end up being the total package that you've been aiming for since the beginning...:smokin: Hopefully the boys at B&G won't be stingy with the pics. :grinpimp:


Thanks Lee!

After the first few attempts, I think this should be a go. I am pretty sure that the boys at B&G should do a good job.....with lots of pics:D

Nice find.

Looking forward to the pics.

Nat

So, when do you get back to actually enjoy the beast or are you having it shipped to you over there?

Edit:

I love it BTW. Both of them. Big Red is bad ass, and the mud truck videos were awesome to watch. I can't wait to see where this thing goes....

So, when do you get back to actually enjoy the beast or are you having it shipped to you over there?

Edit:

I love it BTW. Both of them. Big Red is bad ass, and the mud truck videos were awesome to watch. I can't wait to see where this thing goes....


I will be back home in Canada next June. B&G is going to start on the truck as soon as more parts arrive.

Hopefully should have some updates in the next few weeks.

I always have liked that big red truck.

As you get updates on the new rig, post them up!! Congrats on the new toy.

So I guess I should tell you about my engine builder blowing up my engine on the dyno.

After a day of testing, the builder switched the wastegate springs, but forgot to back down the boost controller. This was the result.

I expected the engine builder to fess up and say sorry, I'll fix it.....but no. He started point fingers at everything but the truth. First the pistons were no good, then the carb didn't work, then the single plane intake was to blame, then my wastegates were too small. These guys totally dropped the ball and have not taken responsibility.

I ended having to get a lawyer and we are still fighting to get the engine out of their shop.

Once the settlement is signed, I plan on outing these bastard.


But there is light at the end of the tunnel. Here is the best dyno sheet that the engine builder gave me. The engine builder did joke when the engine blew, it was making 633 hp and 1035ft/torque @ 3200 RPM. Ass&ole!

With proper tuning, on race fuel 1400 horsepower should be in reach. You can see from the pictures and the BSFC numbers that the engine was running pig fat. This was another reason for the piston failure.

Shitty deal. For what its worth, I can still read that dyno sheet though;)
Not sure if you care, but if you're trying to keep it quiet.........

Can'twait to see it come together for you.

Shitty deal. For what its worth, I can still read that dyno sheet though;)
Not sure if you care, but if you're trying to keep it quiet.........

Can'twait to see it come together for you.


Thanks! I am still not ready to out them.

Congrats on buying the truck. The Merlin that used to be in that truck was one hell of a motor. Watched it run a few times down at Custom Differentials. Was almost run over by it once, it wasn't exactly the view of it that I wanted.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg204/sdotson1s/CD%20Fab%20Mud%20Bash/1-1-07/th_S5000294.jpg (http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg204/sdotson1s/CD%20Fab%20Mud%20Bash/1-1-07/?action=view&current=S5000294.jpg)

Congrats on buying the truck. The Merlin that used to be in that truck was one hell of a motor. Watched it run a few times down at Custom Differentials. Was almost run over by it once, it wasn't exactly the view of it that I wanted.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg204/sdotson1s/CD%20Fab%20Mud%20Bash/1-1-07/th_S5000294.jpg (http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg204/sdotson1s/CD%20Fab%20Mud%20Bash/1-1-07/?action=view&current=S5000294.jpg)

Thanks!


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So, parts have been showing up to B&G and they are almost ready to start working on her. Once the parts from Ouverson show up, it should be go time.

I am upgrading the rockwells with carrier girdles and Violator U joints. When the axles were built, Ouverson wasn't making them yet, so best do it now. I also am going to re-enforce the steering knuckles.

I will be coming back to Canada next week for a quick visit and a new work visa, so I ordered up a Van Alstein G-1000 tire groover. I plan to drink a few beers and shave the R 1's down a bit. The tires are new, so hopefully it should go good.








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you gonna take some new pictures of everything?

you gonna take some new pictures of everything?


As soon as I get some....B&G will be working with me through emails and pics, so I should have lots.

Hey, how'd this thread get here?

Hey, how'd this thread get here?


I asked the mod to move it......Since it is now officially a big gay mud truck:flipoff2:

Gotta be due for an update??

DDDDAAAAMMMNNNNN Both of those trucks are badass! good luck with the new build.

Gotta be due for an update??


Well the engine made it down to Michigan last week. Steve Morris is telling me it should be 6 weeks to finish if there is no unseen damage from The Block Shop.

B&G is still waiting on getting started since the last time we spoke.

Hopefully some progress soon!!

bring this rig to highriders challenge 2012

sick truck dood:grinpimp:

Your motor is in the right hands now..Great guys at SMRE!! Look forward to the progress..

awesome truck man, post a vid, i wana hear it run!!!!

Your motor is in the right hands now..Great guys at SMRE!! Look forward to the progress..


The engine is in good hands for sure.

Steve Morris has left SMRE. They still have his name, but that is all. His new company is named Steve Morris Engines.

awesome truck man, post a vid, i wana hear it run!!!!


Will do! The dyno runs will be posted on Youtube by Steve Morris and I will post the link when the engine is done.

The engine is in good hands for sure.

Steve Morris has left SMRE. They still have his name, but that is all. His new company is named Steve Morris Engines.

Thankfully you put the engine in the right mans hands. Some people weren't so lucky since he left.

Thankfully you put the engine in the right mans hands. Some people weren't so lucky since he left.

After my first go around with The Block Shop, I made sure the second time would not be the same!

Well, I finally got an update from Steve Morris. The pistons took alot longer than I expected. They are hard anodized just like nitromethane pistons, so they will hold up. This is much better than the ceramic coating the I had done before.

The short block is finished and they plan on having the engine ready to ship by next week. B&G Turbo is still waiting to get the engine back, and then it will be a trashfest to get her done..

Lord man You got a mint in this. I like it any ways lol:D:D

Well the engine is together. I had everything powder coated and I think it turned out nice. The intake was modified for EFI and port matched.

The dyno will be next week. I am ready for some good numbers! The Fast XFI 2.0 can save 4 different tunes, so I will have a C 16 race tune and a 93 pump gas tune.