Cool build...

[emmodg]

Anybody keeping up with this build?

http://timbercrawler.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=35176

[FiveO Disco]

Saw it yesterday. Its a 10. I've said it before the kid has mad skills.

[Serious One]

So far everything looks super sweet...except for the shape of the rear wheel well. Not a fan of the 'Bronco' look.

[Buckon37s]

really cool build but I'm just not a big fan of the tack tack tack welding. Still pretty sweet.

[darkstar]

x2 on the welds. I would be worried about the strength of some of those brackets.

[discodaze]

a lot of the welds are just tacked right now

[Tydes]

those are my weld. They hold up this kinda shit day in and day out. I dont stitch weld everything but I do stitch weld somethings. Im building and learning and so far most of my work has performed quite well no real structural carnage.

[darkstar]

this is what Buck is referring to. And I agree. Not a good weld.
http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee340/discodaze/IMG_0003.jpg
Now, I don't claim to be the world's best welder, far from it, but with that technique you aren't even giving your weldment a fighting chance.

There's really no need to rehash this in this thread, it has all been covered here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=526617&highlight=tack).

[Tydes]

Look at the structural welds mounting it to the housing themselves. Non-stitch welded. I agree this topic has been beaten to death!

[darkstar]

:beer::beer: cool build.

[maxyedor]

If you know how to weld properly, why not just do it properly on everything?

[StinkBug]

If you know how to weld properly, why not just do it properly on everything?

Exactly. Thats like saying "I have this bitchin BTF battery tray, but I'll just use a bungee instead because it's worked fine so far"

[Tydes]

Im still learning and have since really started to move towards normal "none stitch welding". I used to use it alot since its easy to do. Now its not really worth it. There are things i feel still need to be stitch welded like thin gage sheet metal.

[darkstar]

Stitch welding means that you would weld for a set length, skip another set length, then weld the set length again. Stitch welding usually applies to normal bead welding and not to spot welding (because spot welding by definition is not continuous).

[FiveO Disco]

Welds aside we are talking about a 20 something who taught himself to fab and weld. He supports himself by making buggies and crawlers and still got a university education in his spare time. Pick it apart if you want I can't imagine how impressive his work will be when he turns 30. He builds more trucks in a year than many of us do in 10 years or more. I wish more people had his work ethic. My two cents. Flame away I'm bias as he helps me with my builds and wheels with us.:flipoff2:

[Tydes]

Exactly. Thats like saying "I have this bitchin BTF battery tray, but I'll just use a bungee instead because it's worked fine so far"

your right im all about the bungee! :laughing:

[darkstar]

Welds aside we are talking about a 20 something who taught himself to fab and weld. He supports himself by making buggies and crawlers and still got a university education in his spare time. Pick it apart if you want I can't imagine how impressive his work will be when he turns 30. He builds more trucks in a year than many of us do in 10 years or more. I wish more people had his work ethic. My two cents. Flame away I'm bias as he helps me with my builds and wheels with us.:flipoff2:

No one's flaming. everything I've seen here definitely falls in the realm of constructive criticism.

[StinkBug]

No one's flaming. everything I've seen here definitely falls in the realm of constructive criticism.

Absolutely. It's obvious that the majority of the work on that rig is very well done, and well thought out. The welds on a few things simply stood out and begged for comment. I've seen plenty of shitpiles on Ebay that the seller obviously thought were great, and maybe if more people spoke up we'd have more good, talented fabricators around.

With nobody to tell you your work sucks and how to make it better, how do you know it's not awesome :flipoff2:

[FiveO Disco]

No worries guys. Sorry to jump down your throats. Let me posts some welds and then you'll have something to talk about:laughing:

[aaron t]

i have wheeled with grahme he is a kick ass dude, and fun to hang with. and up close his buggy is actually pretty sweet.


as long as the driveshafts live:flipoff2:

[DiscoveryXD]

can your parents adopt me? haha, I'm a 22 yr old self taught fabricator wishing he had an actual shop to work in!:laughing:


nice build by the way.:smokin:

[michaels]

can your parents adopt me? haha, I'm a 22 yr old self taught fabricator wishing he had an actual shop to work in!:laughing:


nice build by the way.:smokin:

or me! i've been itching for six months to get home and weld some stuff up! no garage down at school really blows... :(

[Tydes]

here is where i built my first buggy. Outside in the winter in Bend, Oregon. You guy just need to stop being such little pussys:flipoff2:

[HandBuilt]

here is where i built my first buggy. Outside in the winter in Bend, Oregon. You guy just need to stop being such little pussys:flipoff2:

No wonder your welding is cold!! :flipoff2:

My shop is like a pasta strainer - Full of holes, zero insulation value, and the only thing that you'll find inside is a bunch of wet noodles.

[FiveO Disco]

I just left his shop and it was 1 degree F. You gotta be tough to weld in Bend.

[DiscoveryXD]

here is where i built my first buggy. Outside in the winter in Bend, Oregon. You guy just need to stop being such little pussys:flipoff2:

Shit, it's not about being a pussy, it's about not having the tools you do!

[PTSchram]

Shit, it's not about being a pussy, it's about not having the tools you do!

Tools are the easy part, knowing how to use them is the key. Using them well is better.

[Tydes]

Here is how my welding looks now, like i said. I am learning:flipoff2:

[StinkBug]

the weld around that bolt looks a little blurry. Better grind it out and reweld :flipoff2:

Just playin man, that looks a whole lot better.

[DiscoveryXD]

Tools are the easy part, knowing how to use them is the key. Using them well is better.

I think I use them pretty well for what I've got....

[HandBuilt]

I think I use them pretty well for what I've got....

Dude quit whining! This is not your thread! Go out and get a job, or get a second job, start going to machinery auctions, watch craigslist like a hawk, buy a house that sucks with a decent shop, and for god sakes quit whining, or at least start your own thread. I see way too many twentysomethings saying they would be the cat's ass if they only had the mythical perfect shop. You need skill, practice, ability. Tools are the easy part.

If this dude is laying down weld like that at -1F he's got my respect. Welding with 4 pairs of gloves on, three pairs of insulated coveralls, a santa hat under your welding helmet, snowshoes and snow boots is a total bitch, I totally sympathize. I was milling shit at 11:00 PM last night, my hands frozen, thinking about how nice it would be to have some insulation in the shop, I feel your pain :D

[mightymg1]

If this dude is laying down weld like that at -1F in a santa hat and ASS-LESS CHAPS, hes da man! :D

:flipoff2: LOL

[Leafsprung]

If this dude is laying down weld like that at -1F he's got my respect. Welding with 4 pairs of gloves on, three pairs of insulated coveralls, a santa hat under your welding helmet, snowshoes and snow boots is a total bitch, I totally sympathize. I was milling shit at 11:00 PM last night, my hands frozen, thinking about how nice it would be to have some insulation in the shop, I feel your pain

Dude quit whining! This is not your thread! Go out and get a job, or get a second job, start going to insulation auctions, watch craigslist like a hawk, buy a house that sucks with a decent insulation, and for god sakes quit whining, or at least start your own thread. I see way too many canadians saying they would be the cat's ass if they only had the mythical perfect shop with good insulation. You need skill, practice, ability. Insulation is the easy part.

[DiscoveryXD]

Dude quit whining! This is not your thread! Go out and get a job, or get a second job, start going to machinery auctions, watch craigslist like a hawk, buy a house that sucks with a decent shop, and for god sakes quit whining, or at least start your own thread. I see way too many twentysomethings saying they would be the cat's ass if they only had the mythical perfect shop. You need skill, practice, ability. Tools are the easy part.

If this dude is laying down weld like that at -1F he's got my respect. Welding with 4 pairs of gloves on, three pairs of insulated coveralls, a santa hat under your welding helmet, snowshoes and snow boots is a total bitch, I totally sympathize. I was milling shit at 11:00 PM last night, my hands frozen, thinking about how nice it would be to have some insulation in the shop, I feel your pain :D

My bad... :smokin:


while your at it, why don't you tell that to everyone on the first page bitching about his welds? :grinpimp:

[PTSchram]

Who needs insulation?

Fire up the salamander and get to work!

I'd like to be able to find the freaking time to do that kinda work instead of spending the vast majority of my time chasing down air suspension problems and fixing stupid stuff on stupid people's trucks who aren't smart enough to know that the Service Engine light means STOP NOW!

[Leafsprung]

the Service Engine light means STOP NOW!

Leafsprung listens as every land rover in the US abruptly stops and is turned off.

[HandBuilt]

Dude quit whining! This is not your thread! Go out and get a job, or get a second job, start going to insulation auctions, watch craigslist like a hawk, buy a house that sucks with a decent insulation, and for god sakes quit whining, or at least start your own thread. I see way too many canadians saying they would be the cat's ass if they only had the mythical perfect shop with good insulation. You need skill, practice, ability. Insulation is the easy part.


You're lucky you bought me that beer fawker :flipoff2:

[landybehr]

I wouldn´t have touched the chassis member´s strenght like done here in order to gain space for the spring hangers.
Kind of "predetermined breaking point" to my non-engineer eyes.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh226/Grama_photos/IMG_0004.jpg

else, but that may be without real reason, I´d criticise the driveshaft angles.
From that pic it even looks like the transmission axis is raising to the rear.
Might look worse from the pic than it really is.

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee340/discodaze/IMG_3546.jpg

And I would have used the Defender wheelarch eyebrows.

But .. still cool what´s allowed to do in countries with less bureaucracy

[PTSchram]

But .. still cool what´s allowed to do in countries with less bureaucracy

Ah roo?

And those of us in the US think we are overly burdened with regulations.

[PTSchram]

Leafsprung listens as every land rover in the US abruptly stops and is turned off.

Those that stopped might not have their rocker shafts removed in multiple pieces, unlike the one in the back bay of the barn here at Schramelot.

[JasperG]

Cool build for sure and Ive enjoyed following it. I will toss in my two cents though as basic as it may be, while admiting your skills are WAY over mine. Anyway, the best advice anyone ever gave me was to watch the "pool" closely and always set your speed and amps on a similar piece of scrap to ensure proper penetration. Spot welding has it's place in thin metal and bodywork where heat causes distortion, but Im not a fan of it on thicker metals either. Again, I am certainly not a great welder/fabricator and I wont claim to be. My only real experience is from building my own series rover hybrid. Im use an old Miller 185 220v that I love. Oh yeah, Ive got a cheap house and a decent shop though!

[discodaze]

"I wouldn´t have touched the chassis member´s strenght like done here in order to gain space for the spring hangers.
Kind of "predetermined breaking point" to my non-engineer eyes."[/B]

Actually, he cut notches into it so that it would break the first time the rover was used.

"else, but that may be without real reason, I´d criticise the driveshaft angles.
From that pic it even looks like the transmission axis is raising to the rear.
Might look worse from the pic than it really is."

The transmission has now been lowered 4 inches and angled correctly since the initial mockup, that pic looks like it has the rear jacked up 3 inches from the front. Originally we were going for a flat bottom belly. As we are now it still has pretty good clearance and gives us favorable driveshaft angles. Looking to driveline tech for a little guidance here.

"And I would have used the Defender wheelarch eyebrows."

Due to the body modifications, and extended wheelbase the tires would not fit with defender wheelarch eyebrows, and i didn't want to go with the gay 6 inch plastic "pocket flares"
I admit, that would have been ideal, and my favorite on hybrid rovers, this ended up being a good option for us though. Thanks for all of the feedback,

[landybehr]

Ah roo?

And those of us in the US think we are overly burdened with regulations.

Well, be happy PTS. You don´t live in the country where the art of making regulations was invented.

[fridgefreezer]

Schweeeet - always good to see a Series being given some lovin' :D

If I had to nit-pick (and it's a forum, so I do :flipoff2:)
- That notched chassis for the shackle, I know that's how it all fits and it'll probably be OK but it still doesn't look right.
- The rear shock mounts are pretty but they look like they should be braced back to something. Again, I know it'll probably work OK...
- The support tabs from the rock sliders / arches, couldn't they have gone inside the bodywork rather than outside?

It's not just jealousy talking, honest :p

[Nick_N]

I doubt they are going to have an issue with the notched frame. The lowrider mini truck guys do that all the time. Most of them cut a lot more material out then that.

[landybehr]

he will see after having run into the first ditch at speed. That´s without taking fatigue and corrosion into calculation.

(please don´t misunterstand .. don´t want to "badmouth" about .. it´s just I cannot calculate like an engineer if it will be strong enough for any use. Therefore I´m inclined to oversize things. That´s definately not been done by cutting something out of the frame rail).

[Roxtar]

Who needs insulation?

Fire up the salamander and get to work!

Who needs a salamander.

Three 10" beads with 3/16 stick to the underside of your 3/8 plate shop stool.
Good for an hour.

[Buckon37s]

he will see after having run into the first ditch at speed. That´s without taking fatigue and corrosion into calculation.

(please don´t misunterstand .. don´t want to "badmouth" about .. it´s just I cannot calculate like an engineer if it will be strong enough for any use. Therefore I´m inclined to oversize things. That´s definately not been done by cutting something out of the frame rail).

It's not going to fail.

[landybehr]

It's not going to fail.

That´s what I hope it will do, too.


I have a pic of a Defender-chassis in mind which had been involved in a crash. This was bent on both rails a footlength behind the engine mounts. This makes that area somewhat vulnerable to my thinking.
One can argue that a crash (of which I don´t know how severe it was) is a completely different matter and makes junk out of anything.

(still I wouldn´t have touched the frame that way OR added some strength by welding another layer of steel onto the sides. But as the chassis of LR is sth. that, IMHO, never spells trouble other than corrosion I would have left that piece untouched).

[513]

That´s what I hope it will do, too.


I have a pic of a Defender-chassis in mind which had been involved in a crash. This was bent on both rails a footlength behind the engine mounts. This makes that area somewhat vulnerable to my thinking.
One can argue that a crash (of which I don´t know how severe it was) is a completely different matter and makes junk out of anything.

(still I wouldn´t have touched the frame that way OR added some strength by welding another layer of steel onto the sides. But as the chassis of LR is sth. that, IMHO, never spells trouble other than corrosion I would have left that piece untouched).

Meh, it's on leafsprings and it's a classic Rover. I sure as hell wouldn't be getting too crazy with that setup.
1)Leafsprings don't take the whoop's well, so I hope he's not hitting any ditches with speed. Make for a bumpy ass ride.
2)I would cry like a little baby if I messed up that body because It's so beautiful
3)I'd be more afraid the welds would let go first :flipoff2: Just messing with you.

Looks damn good, I love sweet old Series Rovers and FJ40's... but they're so damn expensive and hard to find :(

EDIT: Jeep guys notch frames for coilover's because the frames are too wide and they work just fine, but they narrow them which I think would be alot worse and don't plate them either.

[fridgefreezer]

1)Leafsprings don't take the whoop's well, so I hope he's not hitting any ditches with speed. Make for a bumpy ass ride.

I find the faster you go the better it gets, unless you hit something proper big :D

[513]

Hey Tyde's any updates on this thing? Didn't see any over on Timbercrawler. This thing was looking :smokin:

[FiveO Disco]

Hey Tyde's any updates on this thing? Didn't see any over on Timbercrawler. This thing was looking :smokin:

Go to pnw crawler.com there's some good updates

[Tydes]

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee340/discodaze/IMG_5449.jpg

Check it out at PNWcrawlers.com

[mightymg1]

That is awesome! sweet fender flares!

[Maroon Monsoon]

Graeme, didn't get a good look at it when I was over at your place the other day, it's looking amazing.