ok just did a radiator swap last weekend thing started up ran fine drove it around the block and all that crap. moved this week so i want over to load up the zuk-stine thing and FUCK it wont start!:mad3::mad3:

it has spark not a bright blew but a strong orange:homer:
has fuel and its getting to the carb.

motor spins fine starter spins well there is no fire once you put it all together.
we have had three people looking at this thing. we put new plugs cap and rotor in it. the coil only has maybe 5000 miles on it if that and the plug wires are new too. ther is no condencer on the coil have herd they need one, but there was not one there when i got the truck! :confused::confused::confused:

any body have an IDEA! miron ( some zuk guru) said put a condencer on it and it should have good blue spark, nope didn't change a thing.:homer:

we cant even get it to fart with starter fluid! :eek:

come on flame all you want but i'm missing out on good wheel time here

one guy thinks its the disstributer, the ignitor inside maybe shot! i have like three of these things laying around so if i need to change it out i can!

Ignitor I bet.

i'm gonna bet on bad grounds

test your coil. new ones can be bad sometimes.

air fuel exhaust start a checklist and when in doubt put bacon in the carb and stab it in there with a fork works everytime

Classic case of a bananna in the tailpipe... If you're not too young to know what I'm talking about. Check it out.

I'm thinking your wrenching skills are as good as your spelling skills.:homer:

Or lack thereof.................

is Myron by the way.

Rat nest in the intake?
Fuel coming off in good amounts at the inlet(pull hose)
Your dick is not in the tailpipe(fawking lost that pic some british guy with his dick in the tailpipe of a land rover)
Have friend hold coil wire if he screams you have enough spark
Is the dizzy shaft busted or stripped?
Have you tried putting another engine in it?
Have you let your girlfriend work on it?

I find it hard to believe that he answers almost everyones post but can answer his own.:shaking::shaking::shaking:

It might be a long shot, but check timing

timing good. has good coil. dizzy works, has enough fuel presure to shoot fuel five feet, myron and a other machanic belive its the generator in the dizzy, or the ignightor!

AND YA MY SPELLIN F-IN SUCKS SO FRINGIN WHAT!

Swap out he distributor and see if it will fire up!

Swap out he distributor and see if it will fire up!

x2!!

There is a ground on the back of the distibutor case that may not be connected enough. Either that or the plug the ignitor uses. If that is disconnected, it won't start...

And if it is Myron from Zuks Offroad, pay close attention to everything he has to say. He knows his Zuks.

yup its myron from zuks offroad. dude really knows his shit. i will be replacing the ignighter and the generator in the dizzy this week. they can be replaced easyer than stabing a newer dizzy in!

my try this .. run jumpers to the igniter, coil ditzy straight to the ground on the bat
I have for many years called this the ground octopus, sounds like a classic case of bad zuk grounds

Classic case of a bananna in the tailpipe... If you're not too young to know what I'm talking about. Check it out.

"We're not falling for the bananna in the tail pipe!":laughing::laughing::laughing:

the condensor is for ignition noise on the radio, install a MSD 6al ignition control, http://sethwissner.com/MSDwiring.jpg

you'll have alot easier time getting it to start everytime, my .02:)

my try this .. run jumpers to the igniter, coil ditzy straight to the ground on the bat
I have for many years called this the ground octopus, sounds like a classic case of bad zuk grounds
I think I am gonna do the "Big 3" to my rig this week. For those of you who don't know what that is, stay tuned. I will do a write-up on my Sidekick.

Nevermind. Can't afford the Big 3, but I will be overhauling my electrical as soon as the camera comes back.

i redid the ground on the back of the dizzy it was cooked! but yet it didn't fix the issue. i have not done much with the zuk yet this week as it has been snowing here ya i know i'm a pussy but hey i dont have a place to work on it that is not cold and wet so no i'm not doing a dizzy in the snow!

i redid the ground on the back of the dizzy it was cooked! but yet it didn't fix the issue. i have not done much with the zuk yet this week as it has been snowing here ya i know i'm a pussy but hey i dont have a place to work on it that is not cold and wet so no i'm not doing a dizzy in the snow!
You are an embarrassment to us all. Fawking man up and finish the job you may need to go get some last minute groceries or something. This kid did this build in the cold and on gravel
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=732520
I would like you to review this thread and see how you said the dizzy works right?:confused: How does it work when the ground is cooked? I'm sick of this its cold crap. Most of the builds happen in the winter if you keeping setting the example among your peers that its cold my pussy lips are cracked and chaffed they need carmex to feel better were all going to be running 28" tires with stock gears:flipoff2: Get it done today:evil:

the ground was cooked when i found a none running truck that was the first thing i did. it was not gone just not ideal, i have been moving my family at this time so time is not so great and NO I'M NOT WORKING ONIT WHEN IT IS SNOWINGi'm going out there where there is 2" of ice and fall on my ass. i already havea fucked wrists! i have three dizzys to work with so i have parts, got one on the table right now pulling it a part. myron and todd little(on trac 4x4 here) think i'm headed in the right direction. just comes down to time. and before i can fix the toy i have to do intake gaskets on my wifes cobalt pile of shit thing. but hey its what we got so i have to keep it running so i will be out in the cold just not on my rig! we need it to go to san deiago for holiday! i'm hopping to get to the sami tomorrow!

I was going to post a pic of me working on my shit outside in my boxers but the old lady took the camera:flipoff2:

i'm gonna bet on bad grounds

My Zuk used to not start because of some little tiny shit ass ground cable that attached to the firewall, passenger side. Check that, they fall off a lot. It's a flat, braided type, wire.

"We're not falling for the bananna in the tail pipe!":laughing::laughing::laughing:


Needs to be more natural, should flow out more..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flIGAP-x2YY

Needs to be more natural, should flow out more..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flIGAP-x2YY
You know you really suck at the intraweb no wonder your ground wires are falling off your challenged when it comes to the future:laughing::flipoff2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5zNzSROpmc&NR=1
Notice the cameo from one of the wayans brothers. We are not going away we are going to sit here and post all day until you get this shit running. This will be an awesome motivational thread on starting problems that may help someone on a trail who has a laptop and a air card to review this mobile style:mr-t: Where do you live do I need to go over there and do it myself. I fix a bad wire on my f250 in the rain yesterday yeah its not snow but its a start.
Come on man your the homghey fawker that posted up how you can't start an engine in a supposive hard core "EXTREME" environment here on the PBB. We answered it now lets finish it:)

You know you really suck at the intraweb no wonder your ground wires are falling off your challenged when it comes to the future:laughing::flipoff2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5zNzSROpmc&NR=1


Haha! :lmao: no man. I know the original banana in the tailpipe scene, I just thought the one later in the movie was hilarious.

Future?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2259991587_3f4b401e53.jpg

What do you think Doc did when his ground wires fell off?:D Sat around on the internayet!?

I was going to post a pic of me working on my shit outside in my boxers but the old lady took the camera:flipoff2:


Tell her THANKS from all of us!! :flipoff2::D

well its not the generator in the dizzy:mad3:! still no start:nuke:! still has orange spark not blue:flipoff:! so no its out of my scope of abilities. so come on there has to be someone with a idea:idea: here! myron is thinking its some thing in the wire harness as in one of the crimped wire piles some place. grrr................:mad::mad:

the color of the flame indicates it's temperature. you need blue, period. orange is too cool. you need a hotter spark to light off the gas.
by the way, is it old gas? old gas can get enough moisture in it to be barely flammable, maybe put some additive that destroys the moisture in the gas, or mix it with fresh.....

also, take the computer out(ecm, module, whatever..) and if possible take the cover off and have a look at the circuit board. mine went out once and there was an obvious burned spot in a long thing with many pins. my electronics engineer buddy said it was a capacitor bank, and one was burned. so we got a new single capacitor for .17 cents and soldered it to where that old burned one connected to. worked great.

the 1.3 control mod only runs the o2 sniffer and the carb richness. thing will run with the control mod dissconected! i know i need hotter spark thats the issue i cant find the issue that is not letting me get blue spark and we have changed evey thing the cap rotor the coil plugs the plug wires are good they worked on a stock same year sami. just got some issue with mine! thanks for the thought! i think its time to get a sparky over here to test all the wires for the right voltage! the ground on the dizzy is new and bigger than the one i pulled out! all the other grounds have been redone too! they were lose and cracking when we got the truck! so i did them all and have gone and checked them all again! :mad3::mad3:

the fuel is fresh i drained my tank to see if that was an issue but no its not, the thing wont even fart with starter fluid!!

the fuel is fresh i drained my tank to see if that was an issue but no its not, the thing wont even fart with starter fluid!!

Any spark will make it fire. Did you check to see if the rotor spins when you turn it over?

may need a new ECU

the 1.3 control mod only runs the o2 sniffer and the carb richness.

may need a new ECU

Hmm.............................

if the 1.3 ECU only controls the carb, why would it effect your spark at all. The only thing that would effect your spark is the coil, the dizy, the plug wires and the plugs. You had a bad ground on the dizzy and that could have loaded the coil to the point of failure. It doesn't look like you've tried swapping out your coil, but with a weak spark that should be the first thing you should look at.

When you put in a new radiator, did you do any work on the intake manifold or the water pump?

we have tried a different coil. no change in spark color still orange, when i changed the radiator the motor started fine ran drove it to get it hot. then shut it down. 4 days later it wont start. all we can figure now is not enough voltage to the coil or the dizzy. the conectors are all clean and tight. so now its down to fallow the wires test them all. myron at zuks offroad is stumped too. so i have a guy that is an electrition coming over to test the whole systom. myron is thinking its in the wire harness its self. that is the last place left to look. the coil tested with the right resistance and the dizzy has new parts in it from a running motor. parts i pulled and mark myself a year ago when i pulled the motor out of that sami. the motor had a bad bearing at the crank so it was pulled from that truck to be used as donor parts. the parts i have pulled test right also so i did work i didn't need to do! no work was done other than drain the rad. pull it put new one in and fill. as i said it ran a drove fine! now it just refuses to start, i know when we find out what it is it will be some really dumb thing but at this point i don't know what it is. there is spark just not hot enough to light up the motor, there is fuel and its carbed so there is air, just wont start, not even on starter fluid! the time is in the same place it was when it was tuned up! i marked it just in case of this kind of thing. we have seen it happen before on a jeep. and it was two days in the middle of no where before we got it towed out! that one was the control mod in the FSJ with a ford electronic dizzy. this thing the ignitor is in the dizzy and tests good but is not hot enough. so i'm pulling what little hair i have left out!!!


rotor spins when cranked. motor has new timing belt. like 1500-2000 miles on it. water pump was done at same time. so i have not needed to get in there. motor spins well when starting. with an orange spark there is not enough heat to light it up under comp.

Hmm.............................

my bad thought it was an EFI rig:homer:

Isn't there also a capacitor involved with a 1.3l on the firewall somewhere:confused: Its got to be electrical and if its not the dizzy or the coil which you say you've checked and I would say check again. I know your convinced that you have great grounds because you say you made new leads. Thats what makes me suspicious right there. Check all the crimps you made give them a good tug you should not be able to get any slack on them. If the connections are truly good to the frame/chassis I'm suspicious of a crimp connection on a ground wire now.

supazuk its all good dude. most folks have gone to the efi 1.6. we have not for i'm not sure the 1.6 is worth the time and such for the motor swap.

moveaside: i rebuilt the ground on the dizzy, and have tugged on it to be sure the crimps are tight. i have tried a new coil on it from a friend to no avail. tha dizzy has the ignightor in it and myron has givin me the specs on that 130-180 oms resistance its right at 150 so still good in fact they look like there new, and i even tried a set from a different dizzy to yet no avail! myron is of the idea that it is a crimp issue in the wire harness its self. so now i'm waiting for my electical friend to come over and start testing every ting. this mystery is pissing me off!i was hopping that someone might have come across this same issue with there 1.3l and have a good direction to send me as myself and the rest of the guys that have looked at it are left with huge? over there head. i'm not working right at the moment so i cant justify for it to go to the shop to find this issue so its a matter of getting fresh ideas now!

thanks to all for trying

my bad thought it was an EFI rig:homer:

;)


If I was close enough, I could troubleshoot it in about 30 minutes and tell you what the problem is...

Run a wire from the battery to the coil; that will tell you if the harness is bad.

will try that today if the rain stops! i'm not kean on shocking my self!

your not going to shock yourself with 12v:evil:

I had a problem with not getting enough voltage out of the ignition switch to get a good spark out of the coil, installed an MSD 6al, got better fuel mileage and that thing would fire up hot or cold, there less than 200 bones!

hmm..$200 for a control module when the motor is as small as it is and may got to propain. it would work but that is 200 bone i don't have right now. i may not shock myself but i for sure dont have any wire at this moment i will get some today when i'm out with the wife. my dodge has a leak at the #5 injector at the moment that is hitting the ex. many so its not moving. just got it out opf the shop for head work and i'm not going to burn it down.

yeah I understand money doesn't grow on trees:mad3:

and that ignition control can be used on just about any engine, there are a couple of different input triggers that can be used(points,hall effects, etc.)

damb! haveing your shit broke down always sucks!:mad3:

yup it pissing me off that i can't find the little bastard that is keeping it from starting!:mad3::mad3::mad3:

I know its going back to the grounds but just for shits and giggles check your hot leads and coil wire where ever it comes close to metal and make sure its not arcing out anywhere. So for clarity were messing with a 1.3l carb engine right? If it was a crimp issue "it could be an intermittent problem" rather than constant. If it constantly won't get spark then we know we have a constant problem not just semi loose connection. Quite simply we have a loose connection or something is not regulating the spark right. I have a union electrician friend that I practically have to suck him off to get him to come by and help in situations just like this. Too bad sparky wiring on cars is quite different than homes but the basics are there. I like Bassman's idea lets start eliminate what is and is not the problem
Run a wire from the battery to the coil; that will tell you if the harness is bad

That's how I had to move my Samurai when I lost my keys one day. I don't remember which side is hot.

you said your running a carb on a 1.6, after looking in the book (POS chilton manual) the BLK/WHT wire is the power in to the coil, but that wire also goes to the distributer and 6 solenoids(egr, fuel cut, mixture control, vent, vacuum switching, idle up) the other conection on the solenoids goes back to the ECM.

I'm just guessing but try unplugging the ECM and cranking it over, I don't think that will fix your problem, check the voltage on the BLK/WHT wire at the coil it should be the same as the voltage across your battery terminals. if it isn't the fuse or ECM or one of the solenoids could be bad.

what year vehicle and engine combo?

If you need a computer for a 8 valve I have one if you let me give you a reach around just fyi...call me

thats what i'm looking for. but i don't have a volt meter or the thingy that beeps my buddy does and will be bringing it tomorrow. this has not been a issue with this rig tell now so its kind of odd that sitting for 4 days all of a sudden it won't fire off. i betting it is a crimp in the wire harness some place. i will be going and getting my friends zuk bible tomorrow also it is the most complete book i've seen he had a disk for it to but lost that shit some place. the blk with wht wire is the hot one for both the dizzy and the coil. the brn with wht is the neg. so we are going to test the crap out of the whole thing. if we can't find it tomorrow it will have to go to a shop grr...... and i hope to not have to do that!

ok wait a minute where do you live?

were in saint george.

I might drive to salt lake to fix you shit:laughing:

Hmmmmm.....

maybe this might be a good excuse to take my wife's 08 Rubicon out while she's at work:evil::laughing:

haha were like 5 hours south dude! but it would be good excuse for ya to get the wifes rig down here and wheel!

Jump the coil before you buy people plane tickets :flipoff2:

logan is about six hours from where he's at Bass Man. and I do get down that way every now and then, I wheel all over this state! I saw in another post that sami-stine was in Utah and so I asked where he was! hell I'll drive an hour or two to help a guy out, its a good excuse to look at some different landscape!:)

thanks man wish we were a bit closer. i have to get to that store and get some wire so that i can jump the coil. a friend of mine has a stock sami that the coil is hot wired with a switch in the dash! bet they had the same kind of issue.

take out any crimp connections and splice/solder them
run a good ground from the distributor to the body and from the battery to the body.

the ground from the battery is redone already and i'm fixxing to jump the coil over to see if i get blue spark! i bet its the crimped crap connection in the harness.

I know I'm a newb here, but I've been following this thread for a few days now,and haven't seen anyone suggest that you may be getting too much fuel.
If your float is stuck open.... It's happened to me.fwiw

I know I'm a newb here, but I've been following this thread for a few days now,and haven't seen anyone suggest that you may be getting too much fuel.
If your float is stuck open.... It's happened to me.fwiw
guess you didn't follow his first post? :shaking:

it has spark not a bright blew but a strong orange:homer:
has fuel and its getting to the carb.


we cant even get it to fart with starter fluid! :eek:
However, since you couldn't comprehend this; http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=724181 (*READ FIRST* Do not post until you have read this and checked in!), should I have any doubts on your reading level :flipoff2:

What do you mean you redid the grounds? I thought you said you already did those?:confused: I think its time you start posting up pics of the general disarray your engine compartment is in. I know I'm embarrassed about mine:laughing:
When you originally posted about you redid the grounds they are good thats what I thought. Check the recent stuff. Check the stuff you changed. Once most folks start cutting into a factory setup they usually create problems for themselves. I mean what are we looking at here. You may want to buy this guy's 08 rubicon when he comes by to help you:flipoff2:

Lets review give us all a checklist of not only what you checked but how. You told us its not the dizzy then later the ground is bad on the dizzy but it still doesn't start. Was the ground burnt? Disconnected? Rusted up? Connected by you?
I mean if this thread gets to four pages and still doesn't run I think you should pull the vin and light it on fire

getting fuel isn't quite the same as getting TOO MUCH fuel......

"No pop even on starter fluid". Did you "blip" throtle then shut off to start swap? Gas may have coated spark plugs-dried and left "varnish". (noted you put in new plugs) Pull a spark plug and put plug wire back on. Hold thread end of plug against engine block. Get good spark? No-try new or known good plug-does not need to be for sami-just same gap. Still no spark try known good plug wire.

Are you sure the coil spark was "blue" before all this or just what you found when you started trouble shooting?

What does the "burnt" ground wire from dizzy do? If it carried enough current to burn itself-something else has gone bad also (electronic wise).

guess you didn't follow his first post? :shaking:


However, since you couldn't comprehend this; http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=724181 (*READ FIRST* Do not post until you have read this and checked in!), should I have any doubts on your reading level :flipoff2:

I did read his first posts, and I did read the "read this first before you post" crap. But I also know a severely flooded carbed motor won't even try hick-up:flipoff2:

I did read his first posts, and I did read the "read this first before you post" crap. But I also know a severely flooded carbed motor won't even try hick-up:flipoff2:
no but it will start on starter fluid, so no you didn't read
btw check in :shaking:

Nuff said.

I did read his first posts, and I did read the "read this first before you post" crap. But I also know a severely flooded carbed motor won't even try hick-up:flipoff2:

It's not flooding...

It's either not in time, the coil isn't getting enough power/ground, or the wires attached to the dizzy aren't good enough.

How much money you gonna give me to delete this? ;)

miss quote I was sayiing a motor would start on starter fluid even if it had a carb problem, so the motor has an ignition problem
plus i could delete your post if i wanted to :flipoff2:

miss quote I was sayiing a motor would start on starter fluid even if it had a carb problem, so the motor has an ignition problem
plus i could delete your post if i wanted to :flipoff2:

Oh I see... My Sidekick likes to flood out when my battery goes dead, but I get rid of the gas by turning the key off and turning the motor over. I don't know how well that will work on carbed rigs.

ok to get every one on the same page! the grounds were all gone thru whn i got the truck about 2000 miles on it now! the ground at the dizzy was hot so it melted the casing and the conection so it has been rebuilt. myron at ZOR does not think that is the issue here. i don't think so myself. now i have been out of town for a few days so i have not touched it! i will be jumping the coil tomorrow . bet that will fix the thing. we have one here that would not start same thing and with the coil jumped it will. any how the carb is new, was set up and installed the day i got the truck. and has worked great tell i changed the radiator! in fact it ran fine after i did the radiator just wont start as of right now. the coil has power the dizzy is working and it is in the right position just not hot enough. all the grounds were unbolted and cleaned and rebolted new heavy wires used were needed. and all the motor conections are bigger than they were from the factory. hell the battery was not grounded to the block when i got it and dude wondered why it kept eating them. has had one battery for two years now and always hold a good charge. will up date tomorrow!

where is the update???????:D

ok this thing still wont start!:mad3::mad3: we spent some time with it today. turned the thing over to check the timing and all. the time marks lined up to the marks the dizzy is where is should be, the valves are closed at T.D.C. so we dont think the belt has jumped. but yet still still wont fire off!:mad3::mad3: so we have done the comp. test and they are as fallows #1 has 35psi #2 has 90 psi #3 has 30 psi and #4 has 40 psi. this motor has run hot very hot a few times so were of the thought that the rings may be trashed!:eek::eek: there is no coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant so we don't think the head gasket is blown, but the comp is so low we are not sure what to think. so tomorrow i'll be pulling the timing belt cover to investigate more. but if the rings are gone i have found just a ring kit for $42 from engnbludr.com. i may have a motor for it so i can rebuild this one if i want i will know more tomorrow.

when the timeing belt let go on my 1.3 it just quit running:mad3:, no bang no pop just a brrrrrrr....

think you can get that eco-tec in there before the 23rd?

damb it,damb it,damb it!:mad3:

I've got my fingers crossed hopeing its cheap and simple!

i think i have a 1.3l lined up for free!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and yup it will be ready for the winter con for sure.

If its due to low compression, its kind of odd that it went from running great, to just not starting in one day. You'd think that it would eventually get harder to start until it got to its present condition.

it has been run hard and at the top end of the heat threshold. we are thinking the rings have just let go. the good news is i have a motor already found. it was rebuilt, has like 60k on it with a webber carb already on it. so i get a fresher motor with a carb upgrade. i will be fixxing this motor to go into a buggy for the guy that is donating this newer one. this one i'm getting has the toy steering pump on it and the webber carb all set up so its a drop in other than i have to pull my clutch off. i have a "fer-amic" clutch, ceramic on one side and cevlar on the other. great clutch holds very well. as it gets hotter it grabs even better. i have to give some of my time and the use of my welder to dude but hey i'm not going to bitch about that. once we get this one out and apart i will post pics and such of what we find. there is no mixxing of the fluids so i don't think the head gasket is gone, there is no blead over from one cilinder to the other, just no compression.

ok the newer motor is in and WOWi have never be able to use 2 high in 3rd gear. this leads me to think my motor was going south very slowly but had been going south for sure. the old one will be going on the stand soon and coming apart pics to come.