here is a real ?
how many of you would even run flaps if it werent for the law?

the reason i ask is this i would not. here is why: if you look at the very basis of driving on state hwys here it is, my taxes pay to keep our hwys safe and CLEAN, therefore why should i have to protect against throwing rocks when there should not be any on the road in the first place. not only that all the books say basically that you drive on the hwys at your own risk.
so why should we have to pay twice? we should not.
also, the mudflap thing is not a federal law, other wise all these new fullsize trucks would have to meet those standards, they do not. also a lot of times i have been pulled over for sure for "profile" type reasons because my rig is no "pretty"
this is no shit, i get stopped almost every other time i see a cop in my rig and i am running only 33s and i have front and rear flaps.
79 toy.

so sorry if this offends any of you but i basically think the mudflaps and flares can kiss my ass.

so here is the other point i was trying to make. my brother and i are thinking of starting a petition to get this law removed from the books for light truck and passenger vehicles because basically they dont do shit anyway, all the rock and debris spray comes off the tire under their required flap height anyway and flaps also dont make a rats ass bit of difference for water spray either.

so i would like to hear your guys' opinions on this...i dont want to hear that its a stupid idea because i know you all would prefer that if you get pulled over its for some kind of legit reason, not because the cops are bored and have nothing better to do.

let me start by saying, "You go guy!". I am with you 100%.

That said, It will never happen IMHO. Imagine this scenario,
You just got done doing some wheeling in some medium to large gravel. You know the kind that likes to stick in your tire treads and then ejects itself once you obtain a reasonable road speed.

No flappies and ol' Grandma gets a rock in the windshield.

Again, I will sign the petition because it would be great to lose the flaps on my flatbed, but it will be a tough fight.

i have been told the only people who can be held responsible for flying rocks are gravel trucks. everything else is "road hazard"

Gravel trucks can't be held responsible if their load is tarped, and even then its your word against theirs. I just lost a windshield to one last week, followed it to the yard, they said call your own insurance company, lol:D

what is a mudflap?:D

Originally posted by Domenic
Gravel trucks can't be held responsible if their load is tarped, and even then its your word against theirs. I just lost a windshield to one last week, followed it to the yard, they said call your own insurance company, lol:D This is what I was told by the CHP, "If it comes off the rig and it hits you before it hits the ground it's their fault, if it hits the ground then it hits you it is a road hazzard" kind of sucks Huh!!!!

if you look at the very basis of driving on state hwys here it is, my taxes pay to keep our hwys safe and CLEAN So I guess what you are saying is that the State needs to have someone follow every vehicle and pick up anything that is dropped??? In California the only thing that you can legally drop on the road is water and chicken feathers, Huh!!!! go figure it is California, the Granola State home of fruits and nuts, glad I fit in the latter!!!!:D :D

i got pulled over once in a firetruck.........for dripping WATER!!!:rolleyes:

I would still run my flaps out of common courtesy for other drivers. Course, I'm from the South and that's the way we were raised. Too bad folks don't teach their kids courtesy and respect for others these days. Now it's just 'Fawk everybody else and I'll do what I damn well please'... :(

So yeah, I'd still use my flaps. I'd hate to be the one that took 'your' Grandma's windshield out...

so in other words, any rocks that are kicked up my a rig would be considered road hazzard. if the rock came off the tire before it rotates around and touches the ground, then it gets shot to the ground then under the tire. if it goes a full rotation and comes off the tire AFTER the contact patch has touched the ground, then it can not be proven that it was suck in the tire. basically, the mud flap law has a loophole if looked at it like this. granted, this standing up in court is probably not likely, but still.

the thing i love about AZ is that i drive a 4unner and do not have to worry about mudflaps because i think it's classified as a wagon or something like that, not a truck.

I sortof agree...

I think that fender flairs dont do a damn thing for flying objects. They just look rediculous...

Also, mud flaps dont do much for the "typical" truck. Now, I plan on running mud flaps (removable of course) on my Toyota because I have a flatbed and 38.5x14.50 SXs. There isnt much to stop flying objects.

I would sign the petition, but I also think it wouldnt get very far.

I would be very careful in the wording. If you tell them that the current requirements dont do anything for flying objects now, then they will make the requirement more strict.

I agree with gnob. Around here, if you have a lifted Superduty or other big pavement pounder you're OK. If your "truck" looks like it gets wheeled, you will be stopped in AZ. I run Flaps on the highway, that's the only place officer a-hole( highway patrol,DPS) has ever stopped me.

Originally posted by Clifton
I run Flaps on the highway, that's the only place officer a-hole( highway patrol,DPS) has ever stopped me. Next time you need some help from some one do not call a cop since they are A-holes. These guys are only doing their job and inforceing the laws the the real a-holes in the Capitol make. They think that they are stupid laws out there also.:D

IMO, I think there should be mud flap laws only for dually rigs. A couple of years ago here in cowtown a dude was killed by a rock (more of a frickin boulder) that was wedged between the duallies of a gravel truck. Well once the truck got going about 80 kph the rock got out and WHAM. Sucks to be the dude behind that truck, he caught it right in the mellon.

But for single axle vehicles there really isn't a reason IMO. Doesn't matter how big your treads are, no rock big enough to do anything more than chip your windshield can get thrown.

i agree with benny about the results of this would either be, losing the law or having more stringent laws.

i also agree with the thing about the duallys, that sounds tragic to me.
i hate the flaps, but i also think that if i go to the trouble of at least having some descent flaps on there they should leave me the fawk alone.
and its not about disrespecting others or their vehicles. i am just saying that in oregon at least, they say the flap has to be at least 15" or 20" depending on who you talk to, the rocks typically will get launched out from under them at road speed. and as far as fender flares go. stuff still gets kicked out of the fender when it comes off the tire then hits the inner fender and then back off the tire, then to god knows where. or what about turning, when the whole tire isnt even all the way under the fender...seems to me that would be the most likely time for stuff to come out of the tire, under lateral load.

my bitch isnt so much about the law as the excess of enforcement. i know there is something better for these guys to be doing.

also as far as the petetion would go, dont you guys think that all the lowriders and mini guys with those gay ass little tires sticking out would be down for this too? i imagine so.
another thing that is BS is how so they classify open wheel roadsters, etc. i mean if they can write up passenger cars, why do these guys not get harrassed, they should have to meet the same laws as us.

the law is so hypocritical and open to opinion that it makes pretty much no sense.
i am pretty sure i read somewhere also that when the law was introduced it was meant for log trucks and big rigs, probably to stop flying mud from them coming off of logging roads.

I've got a quick question for the AZ guys. I've got a "Station Wagon" and I was wondering, since we don't have to have flaps, do we need fenders? Really, I'm kinda interested...

Originally posted by Glenn
I would still run my flaps out of common courtesy for other drivers. Course, I'm from the South and that's the way we were raised. Too bad folks don't teach their kids courtesy and respect for others these days. Now it's just 'Fawk everybody else and I'll do what I damn well please'... :(

So yeah, I'd still use my flaps. I'd hate to be the one that took 'your' Grandma's windshield out...

gotta agree w/ the Sarge on this one- it's a simple courtesy- no big deal. It takes me an additional 2 mins to remove my flaps when airing down. Yes they are UGLY, but so is the rest of the truck.

later

Originally posted by McSoo
I've got a quick question for the AZ guys. I've got a "Station Wagon" and I was wondering, since we don't have to have flaps, do we need fenders? Really, I'm kinda interested...


I talked with a Phoenix motorcycle cop, and he said It would be O.K. to run without fenders as long as I had mudflaps. He also said If the vehical looks lifted they can pull you over, even if you drive a station wagon. He added in the end that he had more importaint things to do than bust people for silly sh!t.

Mark

Problems with the law regarding mud flaps?

Why would you dig in your toolbox to get wrenches out to unscrew mud flaps when you can take flaps on and off in SECONDS!

The answer is at http://www.ezgrip.com

http://www.ezgrip.cc/images/PressRelease-OffRoad.pdf

http://www.ezgrip.com

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p.s. send me photos when you put EZ Grip mud flap hangers on your rig! -ok?

I am totaly with you I am tired of getting tickets for the stupid shit.

Originally posted by EZ Grip
Problems with the law regarding mud flaps?

Why would you dig in your toolbox to get wrenches out to unscrew mud flaps when you can take flaps on and off in SECONDS!

The answer is at http://www.ezgrip.com

http://www.ezgrip.cc/images/PressRelease-OffRoad.pdf

http://www.ezgrip.com

http://www.ezgrip.com/images/girlkneel3b.jpg

p.s. send me photos when you put EZ Grip mud flap hangers on your rig! -ok?



How about not spaming A-hole!

If you have mudflaps it seems that mud and other debris get stuck on them. So when you go driving down the road it just bounces off of the flaps and causes more debris then you would have had anyway.

For the AZ guys http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/00958-01.htm
It only says trucks and pick-ups but that doesn't mean officer a-hole won't pull a non-truck or pick-up over to illegally harass anyway. It just means you will have to go to court to prove you're innocent.

Hello--

I have two comments:

1) Clarification: regarding mud flying back under the vehicle...the purpose of the mud flap hanger is that it lets the driver easily remove flaps when you go off-road. When you're ready to get back on the highway, it only takes a moment to put the flaps back on the vehicle.

2) I saw you folks were having a problem with mud flaps. We are a small family business. It was not our intention to spam--only to point out a solution. Sorry.

I wish there was a way that we could register our vehicles as "custom built" (over 1500 pounds) in which we wouldn't have to use mud flaps and all that other crap.

i think it's bullshit that cops can pull you over for so much shit. I don't know that mud flaps really improve road safty and think you shouldn't have to run them if you don't want to. But you should be held acountable for any damages done to others vehicles caused by not running mud flaps. I posted a thread on here a while ago for a ticket i got for allegedly driving offroad which happens to be a misdemeanor. My dad and i both got the same ticket and had to got to court for it. In court i was face with pleading guilty and paying their fine and serving two years probation or plead not guily and then i would have to go back to court at least once more to meet the da and then he would decide if it would go to court. i would have done this but i now attend school in chico and if it went to court it would have been in the middle of my finals and they wouldn't let me plead my case at a different court. so i had to plead guilty. my dad pleaded not guilty and the da ended up throwing out the case when he showesd him the picture of where we were driving. But i got screw 400 dollar fine and two years court probation for doing nothing wrong now thats bullshit. sorry for the long post but i want to let you all know the ridiculous amount of power cops are given. I think cops should worry about protecting peole and not just following rules.;)

I guess I don't know why everyone bitches about mud flaps... getting a ticket for no mud flaps is a "fix-a-ticket", at least in Oregon it is. I only run one small stock style mud flap only to keep the cops away. If they do pull me over with the one flap I tell them that the other one it must have fallen off, they then send me on my way. Even though Oregon law states that mud flaps need to be at least 21" from the ground, some city it's 19" and some countys it's 20"..... If someone makes a petition to alter the mud flap rule/law make it have ONE height that all city, county and states have to go by.
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But when I have been pulled over, I use that time to get to know the officer and ask questions about what's legal & what's not. It tends to make the experience more enjoyable for both. Most cops will wave at you next time you pass by and let you get away with minor infractions as no mud flaps, not working headlight(s), etc..

pretty sure it's a real ticket in california now. there was a post awhile back on it

I wish my taxes paid to have the roads 'clean'. Up here in snow country, the road is full of crud every time it rains or snows. I run all four mud flaps on my 87 runner. I modified them for quick release like roger brown's (4crawler). Works great.

I understand the complaint, however, I agree with those who do it out of common courtesy, even if they dont keep everything down. Especially with how low most cars are these days. Some laws are quite stupid, and this is one of them. Its also very very easy to make quick releases. You can always just use zip ties...if not for others, to keep your own butt from getting pulled over. I thought MA cops were harsh, geez, I guess not. :rolleyes:

I'm curious as to what would happen if someone claimed you broke their windshield because you weren't running flaps. Say some chick that doesn't want to spend $120 to fix her windshield that her little kid broke gets the bright idea to follow you around then act like it was broken by a rock you kicked up. Road hazzard normally, right? But if you aren't running flaps or ones that meet whatever requirements, you're gonna end up paying for a windshield, or at least getting a big hassle and maybe a ticket.

as far as the being held liable for the kicking up rocks thing.
there is no way they can hold you liable for something like that, the fact is you drive at your own risk, and risk of vehicle damage.

again i dont really care for the flaps, and i dont care against them.

but i do think that if you are making an effort then johnny law should fuck off!

this is one of those topics that gets me wrilled up, i have only been stopped like 15 times for it and like 350 in fines, so yeah i LOVE cops and mudflap laws.

wow you oregon guys are lucky, Toyofast--down here in arizona your truck would get a ticket if you were cruising thru Oro Valley. According to Oro Valley pd the mudflap must cover the entire width of the tire on any truck that is taller than stock height, and must be no more than 8 inches from the ground-- and belive me they activley ticket for it.