So I am selling the Bronco and getting a samurai or a tracker to built a full on tube creation out of. The axles will be hybrid 44 (very trick is all I can say right now). I will either run dual cases out of a Toy, or a Petroworks gear set. The tranny will be a stock tranny that is in the choice of vehicles I get as will the motor be. I will chop everything off the truck, and keep just the frame and the hood. I will get the skirts and rivet them on for looks. I plan to run either 37" MTR's or 38" swampers on this rig, if not even 39.5 TSL's. For the lift, I will do a coilover front setup, nd the rear is still undecided. the 1/4 elliptic on my last truck did well, but I kinda want to go with a coilover in the rear as well. This will be a competition rig, but also my wheeler. This is a joint effort between my brother and myself. He will keep his CJ and wheel that, but we will compete in this rig.

So my question, is what do I start with? the sidekick, or the sammy. Also what year did fuel injection coe out in the sammy.

Dimitri

LOL... i start building a tube/zuk thingy and now 2 other's are doing it, i painted my toyota bright ass green, and 3 other's did it within a month... good luck flatty...

Seems like it would be easier to build a buggyish thing out of a sammy since the strip down quickly with out getting out the sawzall. Sami efi started in 90 I believe. Kick motors with EFI swap in readily. I used dual toys and a toy tranny.


My rig is a similar formula, just not quite as competion oriented, and I am really pleased with how it came out. I just got to get the EFI figured out and I'm off to play...got my new MAF today, hope it cures things.

Originally posted by Flatty
So I am selling the Bronco and getting a samurai or a tracker to built a full on tube creation out of. The axles will be hybrid 44 (very trick is all I can say right now). I will either run dual cases out of a Toy, or a Petroworks gear set. The tranny will be a stock tranny that is in the choice of vehicles I get as will the motor be. I will chop everything off the truck, and keep just the frame and the hood. I will get the skirts and rivet them on for looks. I plan to run either 37" MTR's or 38" swampers on this rig, if not even 39.5 TSL's. For the lift, I will do a coilover front setup, nd the rear is still undecided. the 1/4 elliptic on my last truck did well, but I kinda want to go with a coilover in the rear as well. This will be a competition rig, but also my wheeler. This is a joint effort between my brother and myself. He will keep his CJ and wheel that, but we will compete in this rig.

So my question, is what do I start with? the sidekick, or the sammy. Also what year did fuel injection coe out in the sammy.

Dimitri

If your going to buggy the whole thing out why use a Samurai? you say maybe toy cases and dana axles, I think it would be cheaper to just buy a VIN# and parts

I'd rather have a 22RE/tranny/dual case/ toy or dana axles:confused:

Originally posted by DSI
LOL... i start building a tube/zuk thingy and now 2 other's are doing it, i painted my toyota bright ass green, and 3 other's did it within a month... good luck flatty...

And what made you build a zukbuggy? Shaffer? Fatty?A half a dozen more people:flipoff2:

bill, i think DSI might be a legend in his own mind:laughing: .

i'd start with a kick/tracker with a 16valve 1.6L . they can be had with power steering already on them. i like the looks of a sami better but you already said you planned to get rid of all the body anyway. also if you get a 4x4 track/kick you can mount a sami divorced case behind the stock track/kick unit and have dual cases. with a track/kick you will also have a choice of auto or manual. you can also get by with a 2wd if you can get one cheaper and just throw a 6.1 sumo case for a sami behind the stock 2wd tranny. i personally would just run a set of waggy d44's but that is just me. can you tell i have thought about this before myself? :D

Originally posted by Flatty
keep just the frame and the hood. I will get the skirts and rivet them on for looks. I plan to run either 37" MTR's or 38" swampers on this rig, if not even 39.5 TSL's.
Dimitri

What an Idea...

It's all about flex

Originally posted by DSI
LOL... i start building a tube/zuk thingy and now 2 other's are doing it, i painted my toyota bright ass green, and 3 other's did it within a month... good luck flatty...

Your such a trend setter:eek:

What ever you do, my sugestion would be to dump the stock frame and start build what you need. Persoanlly id start with a track/kick you'd get the engine/trans wireing etc. all one shot..

The best decision I have made so far was to cut the frame off past the firewall and fab new... (front will be done later)... now im not stuck "modifing" a stock frame designed for a body on frame vehicle. I have (in progress) an integrated frame/cage setup.. I had intended to use most of the stock frame and was just getting fustrated by working around or through things that were in my way....plus now im saving weight...

just somthing to think about...


some of my pics fromt he other day......
http://www.yager.net/zukin/new/dscf0500.jpg
http://www.yager.net/zukin/new/dscf0501.jpg
http://www.yager.net/zukin/new/dscf0502.jpg
http://www.yager.net/zukin/new/dscf0499.jpg
http://www.yager.net/zukin/new/dscf0512.jpg


-yag

Originally posted by Rockrat


Your such a trend setter:eek:


i don't think that's what i was getting at but thank you all for your sarcastic comment's they're much apreciated :flipoff2:

hmm interesting. Similar to what my winter project is going to be.

samurai frame& hood, 1.6 L, 6:1, waggy D44's (quadrajunk), with 5.89's, spools and some 36 SX's. Lots-o-tube. Very cheap very agile.

Flatty, here is a thought, get a YJ frame, pretty stout & easy to find. Drop in a 22RE, turbo tranny & dual cases. Use the samurai hood & floorpan. buggy the rest. My only thought with the YJ frame would be the longer wheelbase. Most samurai guys stretch their wheelbase anyhow, so why not start with 94" & shorten or lengthen from there. slap on the 38.5 TSls with D44's & alloy axles.

Would anyone really have to know you were using a jeep frame?

Good luck:D

I would start with a zuk.....Get like a 92+ EFI and go from there.....Make the top light, use d44's (since you want to go big on tires) and a 6:1 case with 5.89's..............be about 130:1 with a 2500 lbs rig.....and coil overs at all 4 corners with about a 95" wheelbase...............................Very nice!!


I will be cutting of the front and rear of mine after the summer is over.....Tubing out the rear and the front and changing the suspension and with 37's ill be about 90-92" wheelbase....
And dropping about 3-400 lbs!

Originally posted by Bill4rest


And what made you build a zukbuggy? Shaffer? Fatty?A half a dozen more people:flipoff2:

Nope, I don't follow the crowd. I had my Flatty buggyized a while ago and had toi sell it to pay bills and for school, not I am in a stable job wherer I can build again. I know a lot of people build to follow the crowd, but not me. I enjoy getting custom, and will be plenty custom when I am done.

DImitri

Like I said the axles will be fully custom built, so not gonna gear them at all. Wish me luck.

Dimitri

hmmm id be more wishfull if i knew what you were plannign with these axles..... i guess we'll just have to wait....
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OH COME ON DAMN IT !!!! If you didn't want to spill the beans you shouldn't have even mentioned it !!!!:flipoff2:

Bahahah
-yag

Originally posted by Flatty


Nope, I don't follow the crowd. I had my Flatty buggyized a while ago and had toi sell it to pay bills and for school, not I am in a stable job wherer I can build again. I know a lot of people build to follow the crowd, but not me. I enjoy getting custom, and will be plenty custom when I am done.

DImitri

Ah I was not aiming that at you. Me niether (to a point I guess) When I'm done with mine it will have a almost (98.9%) complete Samurai body:confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: LOL

Originally posted by YJ4RoX
hmm interesting. Similar to what my winter project is going to be.

Flatty, here is a thought, get a YJ frame, pretty stout & easy to find. Drop in a 22RE, turbo tranny & dual cases. Use the samurai hood & floorpan. buggy the rest. My only thought with the YJ frame would be the longer wheelbase. Most samurai guys stretch their wheelbase anyhow, so why not start with 94" & shorten or lengthen from there. slap on the 38.5 TSls with D44's & alloy axles.

Would anyone really have to know you were using a jeep frame?

Good luck:D

What? Why use that heavy old pile of junk Jeep frame? The Samurai frame is far superior, and much easier to work with. I remember a friend that was running a V8 in his Samurai stating that he considered the Samurai frame stronger then the Jeeps, Toyotas, and even the FJ40s.

Have you ever seen a Samurai frame bust? (polly bushing in the t-case will bust the t-case mounts off the frame.)

The beauty of the frame is also that it is the lightest of the bunch.

The Samurai frame is a work of art.

-Wayne

I say trackick base for the rig, mostly cause there is only a limited # of sammys around and guys are chopping the %@&&%shit out of them. If ya want to fully tubed rig, start with a custom frame! Buy some box steel and put junk where ya want it. It's easier! Just use a similar gauge steel to the sammy frame.

There are a lot of trackicks out there to chop up, or pull the hood off one and put it on what ya build.

Why destroy a good vehicle that could get someone else less hard core into wheeling?

I'm mostly just pissed cause the things rust away up here in Canada and we spend most our time rebuilding the bodies, not chopping them off.

if i was to start over i would build the whole frame myself. i think it would just be easier to build the whole thing from scratch than try to modify the existing truck so it will work with what your doing. i kept the front 1/3 of my frame. also with all the upgrades your doing how much of the truck are you actually going to have left? especially if your going to upgrade to a 1.6 engine, new tcases, axles, drivelines and all the other things.

If you are trying to be different, try building a vehicle with complete sheetmetal. I think even Lance got tired of his tube buggy being called a "Sammi-looking" rig, so he had to slap the FJ hood on it(I don't actually know if this is the case, just assuming). I am building a Sidekick. I ditched the motor in favor of a 4.3 V6, TH350, Toy case, and dual 60's. 3-links and XJ coils make up the suspension. In comps, buggies are the way to go, but it is too easy to shrug off rubbing trees in real world wheelin. Just my opinion, so...
If I can post yet, I'll leave a pic, if not-good luck.:)

Originally posted by rotozuk


What? Why use that heavy old pile of junk Jeep frame? The Samurai frame is far superior, and much easier to work with. I remember a friend that was running a V8 in his Samurai stating that he considered the Samurai frame stronger then the Jeeps, Toyotas, and even the FJ40s.

Have you ever seen a Samurai frame bust? (polly bushing in the t-case will bust the t-case mounts off the frame.)

The beauty of the frame is also that it is the lightest of the bunch.

The Samurai frame is a work of art.

-Wayne

Are you outta your fawk'n mind!!!
A Toy Frame is WAYYYYYYYYY Stronger than ANY Zuk Frame........:rolleyes:

I think I'm going to build a 94" Zuk with some tube and some Toy axles, not to mention some really cool Toy dual cases and a big sack of nuts for ya...

What do you think?

Originally posted by fatkid
I think I'm going to build a 94" Zuk with some tube and some Toy axles, not to mention some really cool Toy dual cases and a big sack of nuts for ya...

What do you think?

it'll never work :flipoff2: toy axles cannot be used in zuk's :flipoff2: the driveline angles will vibrate so bad and bust parts :flipoff2:

So aftyer this weekend in the con, I decided to build a full tube chasis, and then work off that. I want a fully custom rig, and it will e when I am done. Don't worry, I will fill you guys in all in due time. I do noeed a hood, so I will get a sammy hood on there.

Dimitri

Fatty-going with divorced or married toy cases?

Originally posted by twistedmetal
If you are trying to be different, try building a vehicle with complete sheetmetal.

I like my sheetmetal, or crumple-zone.:D Bouncing off of rocks will hurt if you don't have something there to soften the impact.;)

Originally posted by CSR


I like my sheetmetal, or crumple-zone.:D Bouncing off of rocks will hurt if you don't have something there to soften the impact.;)

BINGO! Besides, it's kinda like paying a toll to the almighty ROCK GODS for letting us pass.

Originally posted by scwafish
Fatty-going with divorced or married toy cases?

going to run the SOS Lucky 13 and a 85 Toy tranny with a Ultimate.

I havent seen Kerry's Lucky 13 yet, but the tranny adapter is first rate.

Hmmm. Fully custom axles with no gearing. Portal axles come to mind! Possibly adding the mog outers to your 44 axles? I'd definitely recommend building your own chassi and going with the 1.6 motor with the trans and running dual divorced toy cases so as to keep it light but strong where you need it. The trans gears in the sami stuff are like bicycle gears too weak! Are you going full hydro or hydro assist? I'm trying to figure out how to reuse the stock pedal assemblies on my buggy, and figure out what wiring needs to stay and what can go. Good luck!