Wanted to pass along a cool twin stick idea. It involves taking another stock shifter and turning your D300 in to a twin stick setup. The final result is very stock looking. Go to:

http://www.toyboxoffrod.com

Look for links to the "Twin Stick Shifter D300". The design is totally free and the site has a writeup on how to do it and how to manufacture your own shifter plates.

I think I may have seen it once before either on this message forum or somewhere else. If anyone knows who that was, I would love to give them credit for it. It is a really slick idea.

Hope this is useful to someone.............

I'll give you credit.................. for a bad link. Self esteem issues? :flipoff2:

Try spell check Newbie
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com/ :D:flipoff2:

dddduuuuhhhhhhh.........I is an iggit!

Sometimes I get a bit ahead of myself. :D

So what's the difference between this design and the one that 4 Plus Mfg in Midvale, UT has been making for years?

4 Plus's and Curries both have clearance issues with my SM 420 that got the big ridge on the side.

I am running a Novak adapter and the TC is not clocked. Anybody running twin shift on SM420 with D300? What did you do?

welcome to LAST YEAR!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Chris G.

nobody20 SAID: * So what's the difference between this design and the one that 4 Plus Mfg in Midvale, UT has been making for years?

4 Plus's and Curries both have clearance issues with my SM 420 that got the big ridge on the side.

I am running a Novak adapter and the TC is not clocked. Anybody running twin shift on SM420 with D300? What did you do? *


When you find out please pass along the info. I couldn't get my set up to work and I'm using the Novack adapter. I'm wanting to clock it. GoToGuy said you could clock the D300 on a SM420 and get almost flat, but would that help with the twin sticks?

Steve

i cant get the pix, i dose that damn little white box with a red X:mad:

FWIW THat design also does not work as shown if the case is clocked flat with a d300 and t176.

The large pin that holds both shifters hits the t176 case when clocked flat, and a very thin washer, or none at all is all that can be used to retain the stock pin, otherwise you will need to modify it, or make a custom one.

Those plates are similar to many that I've seen made...nice to have the mechanical drawings now.

MJ

:D

what options does the twin stik give you?

Uhh,
You can control the front and rear wheels independently. I.E. Front Wheel drive low, no power to the rear and vice-versa.:flipoff2: :D

This might help...

http://www.rocketcityoffroad.com/images/mo/Shift%20Patterns.jpg

Originally posted by Rokcrler
This might help...

http://www.kornerklub.com/shiftpatterns.jpg


that is the shift patterns for a D20 if im not mistaken....on a D300 one lever controles the front end and the other controls the rear. no one for 4 or 2wd and the other for high or low....

Originally posted by AGGIECJ-7



that is the shift patterns for a D20 if im not mistaken....on a D300 one lever controles the front end and the other controls the rear. no one for 4 or 2wd and the other for high or low....

Well, ya!! But we are talking about a Twin sticked D300 here, and that shift pattern applies :D

I have a SM465 with a Currie twinstick and a clocked D300. I had to heat, cut bend and weld the crap out of the shifters to get the clearance I needed.

Edit: I re-read your reply... the shift pattern still applies. Left is rear, right if front. Then depending on the lever locations you get what was shown in that shift pattern, albeit some of the labels are wrong, for instance, Low range front drive only, they are calling 4WD, but they describe it as low range front drive only.

I have a clocked D300 with a 4 Plus twin stick(gift) behind my T-18 and also had to cut, weld and bend the crap out of them to get them where I wanted them. The linkage is right against the tranny and I had to fab a new way to remove the sticks since the old t-176 had enough room to remove the mounting bolt.

So 4-plus doesn't fit SM420 and T-18 has clearance problems.

What the Hell does it fit with no problems?

Does anyone have the drawings for the DIY D300 twin sticks?

Nothing showing at http://www.toyboxoffroad.com/

Oh...and I'm a newbie so :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: on me!

Thanks,

Chris

I run a Currie twin stick on my non clocked sm420.

And if you can clock a d300 with a sm420 to almost flat I would like to see it, I can clock my 300 about 1/2 to 1 inch is all with out running into tranny clearence problems

I had to bend the plates on the currie shifters inorder to get it to work. But it works well now.

Originally posted by WheelingPiazza
I run a Currie twin stick on my non clocked sm420.

And if you can clock a d300 with a sm420 to almost flat I would like to see it, I can clock my 300 about 1/2 to 1 inch is all with out running into tranny clearence problems

I had to bend the plates on the currie shifters inorder to get it to work. But it works well now.

The SM465 and SM420 aren't that much different case wise. Clock the 300, then modify the Currie linkage to work. Its doable.
You may have to cut the linkage mount on the D300 to clock it. See below, notice the heat marks on the twinstick where they've been heated and bent. They were also cut off the currie plates and rewelded away from the tranny to make them work.

http://www.tidesys.com/images/index10.jpg

Actually, the hump on the side of a 420 is alot bigger.

I can clock a 465/d300 all day long. If you compair the two they are actually pretty different.

And if you can clock a d300 with a sm420 to almost flat I would like to see it, I can clock my 300 about 1/2 to 1 inch is all with out running into tranny clearence problems

I've got mine clocked flat, but no twin stick (yet). my 420 is the '67 version with the ribs. I had to grind the bottom rib off to keep from hitting the driveshaft when flexed, but no other problems. I'm running the AA adapter, I just drilled new holes to clock it flat.

How long is the AA adapter?

I run a novak adatper and its pretty short.

Any Pictures? Like I said with my setup I couldnt clock it.

Steve

Originally posted by four_by_nut
Look for links to the "Twin Stick Shifter D300". The design is totally free and the site has a writeup on how to do it and how to manufacture your own shifter plates.

I'm not getting a page with any links at all when I go to www.toyboxoffroad.com . Just a page with a cartoon Toy on it and nothing else.

Originally posted by CSP
I'm not getting a page with any links at all when I go to www.toyboxoffroad.com . Just a page with a cartoon Toy on it and nothing else.

My problem exactly. Does anyone have a new link with the info, or have the pics and write-up saved to hard drive?

I can host the info if someone can get it to me.

The other write-ups I've found are poor at best. I remember the toybox article being very well done. It had really nice drawings for the fab. work.


Thanks,

Chris

This link works...
Toybox Offroad (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com/index2.htm)

Mo

Thanks bud

Anytime... that was the best write up ive seen yet...

Originally posted by Maine Jeepah
FWIW THat design also does not work as shown if the case is clocked flat with a d300 and t176.

The large pin that holds both shifters hits the t176 case when clocked flat, and a very thin washer, or none at all is all that can be used to retain the stock pin, otherwise you will need to modify it, or make a custom one.


Hayfever and I fabbed up some clocking rings and plates similar to those that we used with some D-20 sticks on his CJ (304 & T176). I'm not sure what all hardware he used, but it I believe it was all off the shelf from the hardware store.

Tony W

Originally posted by wiltech


Hayfever and I fabbed up some clocking rings and plates similar to those that we used with some D-20 sticks on his CJ (304 & T176). I'm not sure what all hardware he used, but it I believe it was all off the shelf from the hardware store.

Tony W

I used a 4" long 1/2" all-thread bolt (well, 4.5" allthread that I cut to 4" because the store was out of 4"), a 1/2" nut, a handful of 1/2" washers, a 5/8" OD 1/2" ID brass bushing, the plates Tony designed, and 2 Dana 18 sticks. Used a tubing cutter to cut the bushing in half, one half went in each of the 5/8" holes in the D300. One stick (the shorter one I think) goes on the outside of the larger ear, then the ear, then the nut and enough washers for a tight fit, then the longer stick, then the thinner ear of the D300 shifter housing. There is not enough room on the other side of the thin ear for a nut, but it works fine between the 2 shifters. I can take photos when I get back to Indiana in January, or maybe Tony can snag some if people want them next time he passes my jeep.

That's right Dana 18 sticks, mine have been sitting on the shelf so long they've aged into 20s :D

Tony W

Anyone have anything new on the subject of twin sticking a D300 that's on an SM420 with the short Novak adapter? Mine's not clocked. My guess is I'll have to make my own setup.

Originally posted by postal
Anyone have anything new on the subject of twin sticking a D300 that's on an SM420 with the short Novak adapter? Mine's not clocked. My guess is I'll have to make my own setup.

They are very easy to make. I have the same setup as you and I made mine similar to the Currie version but for about $100 less :D. Here is a little pic of it without the shifter rods welded on:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/42gpw/img42.gif

Originally posted by Rokcrler
This link works...
Toybox Offroad (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com/index2.htm)

Mo


Nope. Try again. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



Nope. Try again. :flipoff2: Hmm maybe it did back in December when that was posted :flipoff2:

Originally posted by wiltech
Hmm maybe it did back in December when that was posted :flipoff2:


Maybe........................... but I want it NOW. :flipoff2: :D

quote
So 4-plus doesn't fit SM420 and T-18 has clearance problems.

What the Hell does it fit with no problems?
/quote



NP435->Novak->D300 with homemade twinstick using a second stock shifter similar to 4-plus fits with no problems. Novak's adapter clocks the 300 a bit. Not sure how much but it's quite a ways above the bottom of the np435.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Lockwood

What the Hell does it fit with no problems?
/quote

That's what I'M talkin' 'bout!:D

Originally posted by Brian1


They are very easy to make. I have the same setup as you and I made mine similar to the Currie version but for about $100 less :D. Here is a little pic of it without the shifter rods welded on:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/42gpw/img42.gif

Thanks for the pic. I bought a twin stick setup on ebay, which is basically a copy of the Currie unit from what I can tell. Unless I'm stupid, I don't see how mine could fit. The linkage extends forward into the big trans bulge. Obviously, you made yours work, which looks similar.

I think if the shifters pivoted where the stock shifter pivots, it could work, because they would remain back away from the bulge. I've heard about using Spicer 18 shifters in this way.

You have to modify the shifter mount on the t-case, basiclly cut one ear off and use the back one.

When I was under there it wasnt a shifter issue for me, it was a front drive shaft, IT would just be to close and I would have to run a small tube driveshaft.

I might revisit it soon.

Originally posted by postal
The linkage extends forward into the big trans bulge. Obviously, you made yours work, which looks similar.


My linkage I made really short but still as long as possible. With the inside shifter (not the stick) all the way forward in its current configuration, it has about 3/16" to spare between the end of the shifter linkage and the tranny hump.

Here is a top view to give a little better view of my configuration:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/42gpw/img43.gif

So brian, instead of top views lets see some bottom views iwth it mounted in the jeep.

With the configuration you probably arnt clocked very much.

If I clock it I want a flat t-case skid.

Originally posted by WheelingPiazza
So brian, instead of top views lets see some bottom views iwth it mounted in the jeep.

With the configuration you probably arnt clocked very much.


It is not clocked. I have the exact same setup as Postal described he was having shifter fitting problems with - a stock drilled Novak adapter. Here is a shot from underneath but it doesnt show much of the shifter: *click* (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1864871)

Ahh sorry I thought you had yours clocked..

Thanks for the pics and info, Brian. I'll take another look at making mine work. If anyone knows of a bolt-in I could buy, I'd like to know about it. At the moment, I'm in the unusual position of having more spare money than spare time.:eek:

Yeah.........talk about an OLD post. We closed up Toybox Offroad. Too damned competitive for us little timers.

Anyway...........I have moved the stuff off and put it on my own site at:

http://members.cox.net/jayeller/

Under the tech section I have the D300 info along with drawings and such. Have at it........

Thanks Jay. That setup looks like it would clear the SM420 no problem. Great pics and drawings!:cool: :jeep:

Hey all you'll be interested to know I just got my Novak adapters and twin sticks. I had Novak clock the adapter flat, the only way I can do this is to cut off the inner shift ear. I think I got to do some grinding but we'll see, anyway I need to clean the 300 up along with the 420, few gaskets then I'll bolt it all together on the bench and we'll see how it turns out. My buddy will probably be comming over to get some pics of the whole deal so I'll post up.
- Zach

I have the same setup, SM420/D300/Novak, clocked to the first possition with Currie twins. I flipped the sticks to make the bent ears point the other direction. Cut the sticks off, drilled the ears and welded the sticks back in where I wanted them. I had to cut the inside ear off the shifter mount and shorten the shifter bolt to get it in with everything assembled.
My pic hoster is down so I need to use my star here.

Another view.

Another.

hey 4bynut
what program are those pics for
i tried saving them but my dumbass dell keeps trying to open them in microsoft word
when i try picture & fax viewer it still doesnt work

PDF files are Adobe Acrobat reader.

damn, i dont have that
guess ill have to dl it unless someone wants to convert it and email them to me:flipoff2:

Why dont you fawking download it, it's free :flipoff2:

http://www.adobe.com/

Look for the FREE Acrobat Reader.

i know its free
im just lazy
and the sad thing is i have broadband and i just downloaded it in like 3 secs:flipoff2:

excellent info
this will be one of my next mods


damn, that blueprint type drawing is hard to understand
kind of reminds me of the welding blueprints i used to draw in my welding class
if i take it to a machinist will he be able to decipher it and machine the parts?

Those are real prints, if you take it to a machinist and he can't read it..................RUN

thats what i figured

You should see the prints I have for a D44 high clearance arm! But that would be stealing the thread.............

oh wait............this IS my thread..........

:cool: