ok, i used to have a colt ar 15 but sold it
i am looking for a .223 ar 15 basic rifle. i dont need heavy barrel or flat top or a bunch of accessories. i want reliability. i will probably only shoot about 100-200 rounds a year. i would like it to clone the m 16a2 as in flash supressor and bayonette lug (is this legal?) what do you suggest?

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15 ;)
Check out the Robinson Armerment XCR, I have one and LOVE it.

If you insist on getting an actual AR-15, Stag Arms make nice ones, the S&W M&P version is also very nice, and made partly by Stag.

Flash surpressors are legal, not so sure about the bayonette, check your local laws.

~John

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15 ;)
Check out the Robinson Armerment XCR, I have one and LOVE it.

If you insist on getting an actual AR-15, Stag Arms make nice ones, the S&W M&P version is also very nice, and made partly by Stag.

Flash surpressors are legal, not so sure about the bayonette, check your local laws.

~John

WTF are you talking about???

The AR15 is plenty reliable. In fact, I would say my ARs are more reliable than my XCR.

Bayonet lugs are legal anyplace that doesn't have their own local assault weapons ban.

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15 ;)
Check out the Robinson Armerment XCR, I have one and LOVE it.

If you insist on getting an actual AR-15, Stag Arms make nice ones, the S&W M&P version is also very nice, and made partly by Stag.

Flash surpressors are legal, not so sure about the bayonette, check your local laws.

~John

Dumbass.

How are ARs not reliable?

I have 4 ARs and have put thousands of rds through them with almost zero failures and i cant think of a single failure than hasnt been my fault.

Plus i doubt he wants to spend $2k plus for and XCR to shoot 200rds a year.

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15 ;)

:shaking:

Go to http://www.evil-black-rifles.com/ He'll take good care of you.

Im not saying they are complete junk,
the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16, but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

Going from the experience I have had with ARs and M16s, I would take my XCR to a gunfight first.

~John

i spent a lot of time with my m16a2. i am very comfortable with this rifle especially under stress. i would prefer to stay with this style. i would like to buy from someone that is cool to deal with (someone on here)....have the cash, but am not in a hurry. also have a colt python, O3A3, for trades as well

:shaking:

Go to http://www.evil-black-rifles.com/ He'll take good care of you.

he on here?

Yes, that's Aloharover (Pete)

he on here?

Yes, he is AlohaRover on here.

pm ed him
thanks guys

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15
:shaking:
OK obviously don't know what you're talking about

Im not saying they are complete junk,
the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16, but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.


Wow, so your going to continue to show us your ignorance are you?

Im not saying they are complete junk,
the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16, but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

Going from the experience I have had with ARs and M16s, I would take my XCR to a gunfight first.

~John


I'm guessing you have very little experience with either platform.

what do you suggest?

Look on the web site under the Econ Election Emergancy Kits.

Double Star, Stag, and CMMG all have 20" A2 style ARs.
^ thats order of price and quality.

You can find some stuff cheeper then DS but it might be a case of you get what you paid for.

You can also spend more then CMMG but based on your intended use its unneccessary.

You would be happy with either the DS or Stag rifles. Biggest difference between the two is that the Stag is chrome lined.

Look on the web site under the Econ Election Emergancy Kits.

Double Star, Stag, and CMMG all have 20" A2 style ARs.
^ thats order of price and quality.

You can find some stuff cheeper then DS but it might be a case of you get what you paid for.

You can also spend more then CMMG but based on your intended use its unneccessary.

You would be happy with either the DS or Stag rifles. Biggest difference between the two is that the Stag is chrome lined.

thanks, i will look at home.....it is blocked here

Wow, so your going to continue to show us your ignorance are you?

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?


And xhowevermany on the buying from Pete. Chances are you'll wait a little while given the gun buying climate right now but at least you won't get raped on the price.

Im not saying they are complete junk,
the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16, but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

Going from the experience I have had with ARs and M16s, I would take my XCR to a gunfight first.

~John

Ok, who left the door open again?

Can we post a quiz that must be answered before you can post this section???

Wow, so your going to continue to show us your ignorance are you?

Just telling you what I have experienced with them and what I have witnessed.
If yours is working out for you, then great, I am happy for you,
but just like any other subject you could pick, people are going to have different opinions.

~John

Just telling you what I have experienced with them and what I have witnessed.
If yours is working out for you, then great, I am happy for you,
but just like any other subject you could pick, people are going to have different opinions.

~John

And just like other subjects, some peoples opinions are bunk.

Edit: I'm going to be objective here.

Since you are stating that the AR is unreliable, please tell us exactly what kind of unreliability you have encountered in that platform.

Since you like the XCR (It's a fine gun, I own one, but IMO it's a range toy and nothing more), please elaborate on what the XCR offers over the AR, aside from some hypothetical advantage that a piston provides in marketing literature.

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15

Im not saying they are complete junk,
the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16, but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy

people are going to have different opinions.


Funny your posts were written as fact, not opinion.
Maybe I have reading comprehension issues today, but it looked like you said AR15s are unreliable, junk (not complete but close), and need a lot of cleaning to work. All three of those statements are false, either in totality or with out further clarification and conditions imposed on them.
For example "The magazine is a well known weak link with the AR. If you use a mag with a reliable follower and well made body you will go a long ways towards curing AR malfunctions" or "The AR requires more care then an AK or FAL" or "When I was at Ft Hood we had lots of problems with sand jamming things up". See those are qualified statements and would go a long way in getting people to respect your POV.

If you have had problems with ARs, post up your experiances. But throwing out blanket statements like this, well... you come of sounding like Tim. I think everyone probably feels that we already have too many Tims already and while we might appreciate what you could offer its not going to be well received if you come off all Tim like.

Oh and care to explain the difference between an AR15 and the original M16?

And xhowevermany on the buying from Pete. Chances are you'll wait a little while given the gun buying climate right now but at least you won't get raped on the price.

+eleventy billion.

Pete is the man. I spent two months researching AR's and he has the best price and the best reputation out of anybody.

:flipoff2:if anybody says otherwise.

+eleventy billion.

Pete is the man. I spent two months researching AR's and he has the best price and the best reputation out of anybody.

:flipoff2:if anybody says otherwise.

Just dont have your mom order the AR as an xmas gift :D

Just dont have your mom order the AR as an xmas gift :D

.....ass :mr-t:

OMFG, I'm laughing my ass off right now. :lmao:

nah. Pete sucks! He builds weapons that are too nice then keeps them for himself :flipoff2:

nah fer real. email the man, let him answer questions, offer suggestions whatever you need. Pete is A #1 in my book!

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?


And xhowevermany on the buying from Pete. Chances are you'll wait a little while given the gun buying climate right now but at least you won't get raped on the price.

That's exactly why I bought from him, I paid what I would've pre-Obama, and I don't mind the wait. It's too cold here to shoot anyways.

thanks for all the insight. i will look at what he has, ask questions, then get in line once i decide what to get

Teach, you really can't do any better, I've bought a few toys from Pete.

I've got 3 on order right now. :smokin:

he is the only place i am looking. his references serve him well

he is the only place i am looking. his references serve him well

Be careful, most of them are just angling for free stuff ;)

Wow, you would have thought I was on GlockTalk and said one tiny little bad thing about a Glock, and everyone jumps my ass.

I didnt claim to be an expert, and I dont see why I shouldnt be able to express my opinion on the subject.
I never said it was a fact, no one can state a real FACT.

My personal experience with about 4 or 5 AR-15s and M16s has not been good,
each one was taken care of, cleaned, and worked over to try to make them function well, and none of them did.
All had some issues that would cause at least one failure during a mag or two of shooting.
Failures to feed, failures to extract mainly.
On the other hand, my XCR has not failed once yet, and I am not that nice to it, and do not clean it as often as I should.

Some people have good luck with certain makes of ARs, and thats great.
But on average, they are not known to be at the top of the list for reliability,
Since the OP said he wanted something reliable, I mentioned that he may want to think about other choices.

Sorry I pissed in your cheerios AR fans :shaking:
~John

Im not saying they are complete junk,
the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16, but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

Going from the experience I have had with ARs and M16s, I would take my XCR to a gunfight first.

~John

I'm glad you're willing to take something to a gunfight that Stoner thought was a stupid idea. Perhaps if you had any brains and wanted a piston driven rifle, you'd just get a Kalashnikov and be done with it like the rest of the world.


If you have had problems with ARs, post up your experiances. But throwing out blanket statements like this, well... you come of sounding like Tim. I think everyone probably feels that we already have too many Tims already and while we might appreciate what you could offer its not going to be well received if you come off all Tim like.


This is an interesting series of statements, and I'll explain why:

1. I have never supported the perpetuation of piston-driven AR designs. They are nothing more than HK and a few other manufacturers' way of trying to extract billions of tax dollars from our Congress. Any performance increase is negligible, and they'd require the individual Soldier to carry a rifle that would definitely be heavier, and likely be less accurate as well. Piston driven gas systems are a tradeoff, without question--and not one that I'd be willing to make.

2. I will share my own experience with both the AR-15 and the M16A2. My AR has had a a single failure in about 4,000 rounds, a single round of Wolf ammo that had a hard primer and didn't go off the first time. I put it back in the magazine and it fired fine the second time. Other than that, it has never malfunctioned.

Of the several M16A2s that I used in the military, which I carried in rain, snow, mud, the Mojave Desert of So Cal, and probably other conditions that escape my memory at this point, none ever failed for any reason unrelated to the magazine. Most all of the magazines that were issued to me had significantly weaker magazine springs than the magazines I use in my own AR. I can't really recall having mud, sand, or other foreign material cause a stoppage, but I can't claim that it never happened. While possible with any firearm with an automatic action, the AR system is no more prone to this than any other.

I know all the little companies and their marketing practices have people brainwashed that piston-driven is better, and in that department, all I have to say is that we went away from that design 40 years ago, and if Stoner were still alive, he'd think that a gas piston design was just as stupid in 2008 as it was in the 1960s when he argued to go away from it.

This thread is now complete.

All had some issues that would cause at least one failure during a mag or two of shooting.
Failures to feed, failures to extract mainly.

FTF are typically related to the magazine and not the weapon.

FTE can be caused by a number of issues, either combined or seperately.
BCG too dry, bad extractor, weak ejector spring, weak extractor spring, mis aligned FSB, damaged gas tube, loose carrier key, damaged carrier key, mis adjusted gas rings

If the top end is built correctly and you use good mags and don't shoot blanks ARs will run great.

When everything is set up right the only time I have ever had a problem with an M16 was with blanks.
On the ARs, I have had some problems where something isn't 100% from the manufacturer (CMMG ejector springs :mad:), but so far everyone has been 'fixed' and run fine afterwards.

Sorry I pissed in your cheerios AR fans

:laughing:
Doesn't have anything to do with being a cheerio fan.

If this had been your first post I doubt anyone would have said much of anything.

Sorry I pissed in your cheerios AR fans :shaking:
~John

This is not GLOCK talk nor ARF.com.....we are not all fans, you just, if you'll read the posts above, made an unqualified statement. We aren't stroking anybody off either in this thread. You are being called on your generalization.

We don't dine on opinion here, we dine on what works and what doesn't. You can't just say my X is crap and leave it at that, you need to qualify it and teach us why you feel that way...opinion is easy, experience is not. Give a specific problem and the fact set that caused it and how you resolved it.

This is Pirate, maybe you are just lost. If you can't take a little crap you need to move on to somewhere else for warm and fuzzies.

I have never supported the perpetuation of piston-driven AR designs.

Thats not what I said.


throwing out blanket statements like this, well... you come of sounding like Tim

Which you have done many times :D

This is Pirate, maybe you are just lost. If you can't take a little crap you need to move on to somewhere else for warm and fuzzies.

he should go to the Rover forum and ask what size tires he can put onto his RR Sport or Disco II

:lmao:

HIJACK:::::::HIJACK:::::::HIJACK:::::::HIJACK::::: ::HIJACK:::::::HIJACK:::::::HIJACK:::::::HIJACK::: ::::

I got my SBR Bushy back this week......This Barbie needs some accessories...

Clip from Pete....

10.5"

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2180


:laughing: Why yes, that is a PMag.

For your information, I do have a Kalashnikov,
For the most part they are nice, and hard to beat for the money.
That said, they feel like flimsy clunky toys compared to many others.
I just dont care that much for that type of feel, I want the rifle to feel very solid and well made.
The Kalashnikov has alot of good design features that make it reliable, I personally think the piston driven aspect is one of them, and it was part of the reason I went with the XCR.

I can take plenty of crap, I know all too well what pirate is like,
I just didnt feel the need to present lab results for my experiences with certain rifles.

~John

The Kalashnikov has alot of good design features that make it reliable, I personally think the piston driven aspect is one of them, and it was part of the reason I went with the XCR.

So you got an overpriced rifle because it too has tolerances looser than a $2 hooker on half price night?

Did you also buy sight and mounts from LaRue?

I just didnt feel the need to present lab results for my experiences with certain rifles.


I dont have a military background or enough experience to say either way as far as reliability but this statement is the problem.

Lab results aren't neccessary. Real world facts and experiences matter, if you think something is crap, explain why so we can all learn.

So you got an overpriced rifle because it too has tolerances looser than a $2 hooker on half price night?

Did you also buy sight and mounts from LaRue?

WTF did that even mean?
I bought the XCR because I think its mechanical design is better than the M16 or AR15, but I wanted that type or style of rifle.
I liked the fact that it accepted many standard AR parts, such as stocks, and especially the cheap and easy to find mags.
I like the easily changed barrel, and the folding stock hinge and plate.
Comparing tolerances, build, etc. between an XCR and an AK is apples to oranges.

ROCKILLER,
Sorry I did not list my specific experiences before,
but as I mentioned above, the ones I have actually shot were not very reliable.
Neither are the ones that a few people I know have purchased.
I would like to get my hands on one of the nicer Stag or S&W ones though, I hear they are well made.

~John

Comparing tolerances, build, etc. between an XCR and an AK is apples to oranges.


It's not the piston type system that makes the AK so much kewler.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588663

Already had a debate on piston operated ARs. A search will turn up plenty of FALs and AK that have had issues initially with the piston system.

What helps the AK is that the tolerances are so loose that sand, water, mud, pig's blood, bacon grease, doesn't affect the operation as much as it will the tight tolerances on an AR

Did you also buy sight and mounts from LaRue?

:lmao:

Ha....



IF YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS YOU NEED TO LURK BETTER OR SEARCH.

Whew.....you just never know when the funnay will appear in this forum....

And I thought it was going to be a boring day and I was going to watch "how Its Made" on Tivo :laughing: lets start

the AR-15 is a huge leap over the original M16,

Wut? :confused: describe to me "huge leap"


they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

No, they require the CORRECT MAINTENANCE for the environment they are to be in.
I put 2,500ish rounds through a M4 not 3 weeks ago. I cleaned it when I was DONE


Going from the experience I have had with ARs and M16s, I would take my XCR to a gunfight first.

~John

we will cover this later.

Wow, you would have thought I was on GlockTalk and said one tiny little bad thing about a Glock, and everyone jumps my ass.

watch your mouth. :shaking:
You did not say a "bad thing" about the AR platform, you said an ignorant thing. Big fucking diffrence.


I didnt claim to be an expert,
but you spoke like one? :laughing:


I never said it was a fact, no one can state a real FACT.


Fact: M16/AR variants are current issue for most if not all of the current united states military. So are HK's, FN's, even AK's.
XCR?
None.
Fact.


My personal experience with about 4 or 5 AR-15s and M16s has not been good,
each one was taken care of, cleaned, and worked over to try to make them function well, and none of them did.
All had some issues that would cause at least one failure during a mag or two of shooting.
Failures to feed, failures to extract mainly.


I am a certified Armorer (yes, seriously guys) and I can tell you right now that you are full of BS. 4-5 AR's in a row with the same issues will not happen unless they are sharing magazines or the same batch of ammo. (but ammo will not cause fail to feed)

FTE is a maintenance issue or the gun was so fucking old that the extractor spring has not been upgraded. But even then I have never seen MULTIPLE ar's with that issue, and we drag 40-50 of them to the range at a time.

I just didnt feel the need to present lab results for my experiences with certain rifles.

yes. :laughing: yes you do.

I own at least one variant of most every evil black rifle on the market. I can tell you the goods and bads of each one IN DETAIL. I have no shame in telling the downfalls of everything I own. NOTHING is perfect (but I am getting pretty fucking close)

You came in here and talked strait bullshit. Not "this is my opinion" but and I quote

they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

BULLSHIT. bullshit to the point that it would push a first time buyer to go elsewhere and drop WAY the fuck more cash in a gun that they do not need.

If you took my OPINION as some sort of expert factual end all statement, then thats your damn problem.
FACT is, most of the AR and M16s I have came in contact with were not very good at all, period.
No, they were not the same ammo, or mags, etc, etc.
On average, my personal experience with them all has been bad, period.
I dont know what more you want from me, I dont like them, and no matter how nice you think they are, I would trust my XCR over them.
You want to trust a Beef Jerky stick I dont care, go for it.

~John

pete, when i bought my ar you failed to mention it was junk. i would like a refund please.:flipoff2:

its my opinion that the XCR is a glorified bastard para FAL that they went and created a modified AR lower for so they could rape you on price instead of just offering an upper. It is also my opinion that it rapes kittens and will sever a finger if left unattended. It is also my opinion that is works best lubricated with Astro-glide and glitter falls out of it every 5th round.

Fact:

jtice < Doc

:laughing:

Seriously, if a guy like Doc who has an extreme amount of experience with firearms tells you that your facts/opinions are all fawked up then you reconsider them.

Fact:

jtice < Doc

:laughing:

Seriously, if a guy like Doc who has an extreme amount of experience with firearms tells you that your facts/opinions are all fawked up then you reconsider them.

Let do a reality based examples here.

"opinions" are fine.
"I don't like century FALs"

opinions with added on bullshit are not if they are not based anywhere withing the realm of reality.

"Century FALs are pieces of shit. every single one of them fails to feed and fails to eject. I have fired 8 of them and every one would not last a whole magazine"

Do some Century FALs have feed problems? yes. Do some have FTE? yes. can you fire 8 in a row and have it happen?
bullshit.

Do some Century FALs have feed problems? yes. Do some have FTE? yes. can you fire 8 in a row and have it happen?
bullshit.

Watch it, doc. Since everyone thinks I make blanket statements, I can say that if Century FALs have enough problems, I could provide a pretty nasty probability distribution that'd show the numbers much closer to "possible" than "bullshit," given a sufficient sample size. Not that it really has anything to do with this post at all, but 8 turds in a row from a company that's known for building turds isn't exactly impossible.

If you took my OPINION as some sort of expert factual end all statement, then thats your damn problem.
FACT is, most of the AR and M16s I have came in contact with were not very good at all, period.
No, they were not the same ammo, or mags, etc, etc.
On average, my personal experience with them all has been bad, period.
I dont know what more you want from me, I dont like them, and no matter how nice you think they are, I would trust my XCR over them.
You want to trust a Beef Jerky stick I dont care, go for it.

~John

1. Fact is, the M16 and its variants have been killing people all over the world for over 40 years now. If it was such a piece of shit, as you say, we would have given up on it long ago.

2. Great, you had some shitty ARs. I've never seen any, but I'm glad you shared your experience.

3. Your statement about "on average" has nothing to do with a causal relationship between the AR design and the failures to which you refer. Considering the mountain of observations of others, throughout the world who have seen this system perform satisfactorily, which present a conclusion FAR different than your own, I'm inclined to conclude that your "on average" is really nothing but an anecdote at best, if not completely made up.

I'm an asshole, but I'm way better at it than you are. At least I have the fucking sense to demonstrate my point logically. You've done nothing but stir up shit with your nonsensical anecdotes about what a piece of shit the most popular rifle in America is. Perhaps you should just think before you hit the keyboard and realize that there a LOT of people pleased as punch with their ARs, so whining about what a POS it is represents an unlikely perspective to be shared by the forum.

Watch it, doc. Since everyone thinks I make blanket statements, I can say that if Century FALs have enough problems, I could provide a pretty nasty probability distribution that'd show the numbers much closer to "possible" than "bullshit," given a sufficient sample size. Not that it really has anything to do with this post at all, but 8 turds in a row from a company that's known for building turds isn't exactly impossible.

one or the other problem, yes. both? no :flipoff2:

and I have polished a LOT of those turds :laughing:

and I have polished a LOT of those turds :laughing:

I know. I enjoyed your PA-63 turd polishing thread quite a bit.

I hope this stupid asshole gets a healthy case of blender fawking followed by bleach drinking.

I hope this stupid asshole gets a healthy case of blender fawking followed by bleach drinking.

you should go halves on that stuff with him:bounce:

I know. I enjoyed your PA-63 turd polishing thread quite a bit.

I hope this stupid asshole gets a healthy case of blender fawking followed by bleach drinking.

God, the old Pot/Kettle thing is soooooo played out on the Intardnet net these days. We need a new meme for that. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CQOvdYW6c <<<< seems fairly damn reliable to me, drives his point home about 3:30 or so into it & then again around 7:00 in

i really didnt want to buy a rifle....i just needed some giggles:p

If anyone's AR should be a jamomatic, it should be mine.:laughing:

It was built by CMMG literally with parts they had over runs of. They started selling these left over parts AR's at gunshows where they would literally throw a bunch of them in trash cans and sell em for $500 or so. I got mine when they started selling them online as their "Bargain Bin" rifles. I know the lower is DPMS, but as for the rest, I don't have a clue. Chrome lined? Closest this thing has gotten to chrome is when I leaned it on the bumper of my truck.

Break in a new rifle by firing a couple hundred rounds of quality ammo cleaning every few rounds? Fawk that, all this bitch has eaten has been bottom dollar steel cased Wolf ammo, from the very first shot it has yet to see a brass cased round. I didn't even clean the chamber or own a chamber brush till after I had a stuck case after 1500 rounds of Wolf (we all know that steel cased ammo doesn't expand in the chamber to creat a seal like brass so carbon builds up in the chamber sticking cases).

Now at 1750-1800 rounds, and the only glitch has been that one stuck case which I expected (I wanted to see just how many rounds it would take to have a failure shooting crap ammo). So, the cheapest of the cheap, leftover parts, sub $600 AR, shooting crap ammo, is completely reliable as long as I clean the chamber every 1000 rds or so. Not to bad, I don't regret not spending over $1000 on a rifle at all.

Piston? Who needs it.:laughing:


AR reliability = mags with straight feed lips and decent springs, and lots of lube.

i really didnt want to buy a rifle....i just needed some giggles:p

well, shit... You should've just asked for the thread highjack.

Granted, I think you got the info you needed.

Popcorn, anyone?

I do have a Kalashnikov, The Kalashnikov blah blah
~John

Yeah well good. :flipoff2: Anybody with half a brain and a hammer can build one or buy one......which one do you have, I know very little but know that just calling in a K.... doesn't narrow it down...AK47, 74, milled, stamped....whatever.....keep the pearls....its an AK....never heard anyone say...."I have a Kalashnikov." "I gots an AK" is more like it... :laughing:

God, the old Pot/Kettle thing is soooooo played out on the Intardnet net these days. We need a new meme for that. :(

Whatever you say....

Statements like this have been made repeatedly on this forum in the last two weeks, and they are both unsubstantiated and without merit.

Why I am compared to whatever idiot wanders in here is beyond me. Don't waste your time explaining, either. Just look at yourself and ask why anyone confuses someone who can't form a sentence, with me.

Whatever you say....

Statements like this have been made repeatedly on this forum in the last two weeks, and they are both unsubstantiated and without merit.

Why I am compared to whatever idiot wanders in here is beyond me. Don't waste your time explaining, either. Just look at yourself and ask why anyone confuses someone who can't form a sentence, with me.

I guess that's part of the problem then, isn't it? You don't even know you do it?

Have you ever thought: What would someone reading this post I typed think? Why am I posting this as a 20 something expert? What the fawk do I really have to prove?


That is how you are perceived. That is why you're being compared to someone else throwing down blanket statements as fact.

To be utterly frank, you remind me of me when I was a twenty something and that's ugly in it's own right. Stop trying to prove something/everything, would you?

Try finding happiness in your own skin, cause from this side of the keyboard, you seem awefully gangly to me.

Edit: Just for the record, I am a soon to be 37 year old nobody, with nothing to prove to anyone.

Whatever you say....

Statements like this have been made repeatedly on this forum in the last two weeks, and they are both unsubstantiated and without merit.

Why I am compared to whatever idiot wanders in here is beyond me. Don't waste your time explaining, either. Just look at yourself and ask why anyone confuses someone who can't form a sentence, with me.

hahahaha, that made me laugh pretty hard. don't let these assholes change you a bit tim, your opinion matters to somebody. shine on you crazy diamond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CQOvdYW6c <<<< seems fairly damn reliable to me, drives his point home about 3:30 or so into it & then again around 7:00 in

Dat dere is wun hekuva wa wa weapon. Hahahaha... I was enjoying hearing his lisp and the way he talked as much as the demo. :laughing:

M16/AR's suck. Just ask any communist or 3rd world army. :flipoff2:

I just bought a S&W M&P15 and have put about 2000 rounds through it in the past month without any problems that were not caused by me. Main problem being I was using Remoil to keep it lubed at first. AR's require CLP (breakfree) and good amounts of it. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of AR problems come from underlubrication.


Axle

hahahaha, that made me laugh pretty hard. don't let these assholes change you a bit tim, your opinion matters to somebody. shine on you crazy diamond.

As long as there is no question between idiots who cannot form a sentence in the English language and me, I couldn't care less if people disagreed with me. If everyone agreed, there'd be no point in having a forum, and if I didn't enjoy coming here, I wouldn't be here.

I'm not changing who I am for anyone. I don't care if people disagree with me. That's how I learn.

I guess that's part of the problem then, isn't it? You don't even know you do it?

Have you ever thought: What would someone reading this post I typed think? Why am I posting this as a 20 something expert? What the fawk do I really have to prove?

That is how you are perceived. That is why you're being compared to someone else throwing down blanket statements as fact.

To be utterly frank, you remind me of me when I was a twenty something and that's ugly in it's own right. Stop trying to prove something/everything, would you?

Try finding happiness in your own skin, cause from this side of the keyboard, you seem awefully gangly to me.

Edit: Just for the record, I am a soon to be 37 year old nobody, with nothing to prove to anyone.

I have heard this bullshit so many times. The reality is that there are always people who are older than you, who think that is evidence for telling someone else, with which they are incapable of arguing with rationally, that they are incorrect.

If you find flaws in something I say, do like others do, and call me on it. Whining that my written English is more effective in arguing than that which you would normally use is not evidence that I am incorrect. When I have been incorrect, which is often, you will find no shortage of me recognizing it and posting as such on this forum.

I don't give a rat's ass how old you are. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If I don't agree with you, I'm not intimidated that you're older, and I will gladly call you on it. And if you're right, by the same logic, you're right and I'll support you.

You won't see me doing much more than lurking in threads about desert racing or 4 links on this board. Ever wonder why? Because while I have a few opinions on those issues, and I've observed them, I just don't have the knowledge to discuss them rationally. I like this forum, and there's a lot of good information here, but if you think I just go scoping out posts and talking out my ass, I suggest you read a little bit closer for what is there, and stop trying to invent that which is not.

There are even people on this forum who have made unsubstantiated claims that nobody writes like I do, so my posts must be cut and pastes. To date, the people making these claims have never provided any evidence to support these claims. My call on them still stands. If you can find something I've cut and pasted without quoting, I highly encourage you to call me on it.

axle59,

I think you're incorrect regarding the AR needing a lot of lubrication. USGI specs for lubrication call for a very small amount of oil in a few major spots.

The first time I ever read complete, written instructions on how to lubricate an M16, it was in this magazine:

http://www.mrfa.org/m16.htm

Some of you Army guys may recognize it. It's called "PM Monthly" IIRC, and it's the U.S. Army's publication, done in the form of a cartoon, to encourage soldiers to take care of their equipment with proper preventative maintenance.

The M16/M4/AR-15 does not require a lot of lubrication, or even a specific type of lubricant. There are, however, specific areas (and small ones, I might add) which do require a generous amount of lube, and that is why that article of PM Monthly covers that topic.

ETA, it's called PS Monthly. I guess that shows how great my memory is:

Here's the one on lubrication:
https://www.logsa.army.mil/WEB-PAGE/2002/591/591-42-43.pdf

And another on cleaning
https://www.logsa.army.mil/WEB-PAGE/2001/579/579-40-42.pdf

As long as there is no question between idiots who cannot form a sentence in the English language and me, I couldn't care less if people disagreed with me. If everyone agreed, there'd be no point in having a forum, and if I didn't enjoy coming here, I wouldn't be here.

I'm not changing who I am for anyone. I don't care if people disagree with me. That's how I learn.



I have heard this bullshit so many times. The reality is that there are always people who are older than you, who think that is evidence for telling someone else, with which they are incapable of arguing with rationally, that they are incorrect.

If you find flaws in something I say, do like others do, and call me on it. Whining that my written English is more effective in arguing than that which you would normally use is not evidence that I am incorrect. When I have been incorrect, which is often, you will find no shortage of me recognizing it and posting as such on this forum.

I don't give a rat's ass how old you are. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If I don't agree with you, I'm not intimidated that you're older, and I will gladly call you on it. And if you're right, by the same logic, you're right and I'll support you.

You won't see me doing much more than lurking in threads about desert racing or 4 links on this board. Ever wonder why? Because while I have a few opinions on those issues, and I've observed them, I just don't have the knowledge to discuss them rationally. I like this forum, and there's a lot of good information here, but if you think I just go scoping out posts and talking out my ass, I suggest you read a little bit closer for what is there, and stop trying to invent that which is not.

There are even people on this forum who have made unsubstantiated claims that nobody writes like I do, so my posts must be cut and pastes. To date, the people making these claims have never provided any evidence to support these claims. My call on them still stands. If you can find something I've cut and pasted without quoting, I highly encourage you to call me on it.

axle59,

I think you're incorrect regarding the AR needing a lot of lubrication. USGI specs for lubrication call for a very small amount of oil in a few major spots.

The first time I ever read complete, written instructions on how to lubricate an M16, it was in this magazine:

http://www.mrfa.org/m16.htm

Some of you Army guys may recognize it. It's called "PM Monthly" IIRC, and it's the U.S. Army's publication, done in the form of a cartoon, to encourage soldiers to take care of their equipment with proper preventative maintenance.

The M16/M4/AR-15 does not require a lot of lubrication, or even a specific type of lubricant. There are, however, specific areas (and small ones, I might add) which do require a generous amount of lube, and that is why that article of PM Monthly covers that topic.

ETA, it's called PS Monthly. I guess that shows how great my memory is:

Here's the one on lubrication:
https://www.logsa.army.mil/WEB-PAGE/2002/591/591-42-43.pdf

And another on cleaning
https://www.logsa.army.mil/WEB-PAGE/2001/579/579-40-42.pdf

You asked (again), I answered. You also totally missed the answer.

I guess it'll take time.

Tim,

You are right and that is what I was refering to. However that is "a lot" of lubrication compared to your average rifle that only takes a drop here or there. As they stated the interface between the bolt and carrier requires the most amount and people tend to ignore that area. I find the best thing to do is pull the charging handle back a inch or so and lube the bolt some. Then there are two small holes in the carrier. They are there for a reason. put 3-4 drops in the holes before you start shooting and it will make everything run smoother.

And I have to disagree with you on not requiring a specific type. It even says right in the article you linked to use CLP. It's a thick clingy gun oil that doesn't easily evaporate under the heat or pressure that an AR produces.

This new Miltec-1 stuff is supposedly even better as it's a dry lubricant that isn't supposed to attract the sand and dirt like CLP but I have never used it nor seen anyone that does.

This new Miltec-1 stuff is supposedly even better as it's a dry lubricant that isn't supposed to attract the sand and dirt like CLP but I have never used it nor seen anyone that does.


Pretty sure Doc uses it. I sent off for and recieved a sample a while back, but havn't gotten around to trying it out yet, its still sitting in the safe.

Statements like this have been made repeatedly on this forum in the last two weeks, and they are both unsubstantiated and without merit.

Why I am compared to whatever idiot wanders in here is beyond me.

:shaking: You and JTICE both make unsubstantiated, blanket statements. You offer your opinion as if it were fact, and then argue against anyone that provides any alternative to your statements.

Lets play a game of who said it.

xx are jammomatic pieces of shit.

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the xx

xx is crap

Im not saying they are complete junk but still,
they require alot of cleaning to keep them happy, though I guess if you are only going to shoot a few hundred rounds a year then thats ok.

XX = total junk If you have one that runs, yours is the exception, NOT the rule

Pretty sure Doc uses it. I sent off for and recieved a sample a while back, but havn't gotten around to trying it out yet, its still sitting in the safe.

It works well in my Glock, as well as my Mossberg, and AK.


I will say though that it *could* potentially eat through unbaked Rustoleum BBQ paint. :emb:

I'm an dumbass



Fixed

Just dont have your mom order the AR as an xmas gift :D

lmfao:laughing:

so we are talking 6 plus weeks for orders now? looks like something to look forward to in the spring. i will be giving you a call to discuss what i want to order aloharover, i have looked over your site and made some notes. any time better to call?

If you want reliability, you might want to stay away from the AR-15 ;)
~John

Dumb ass, party of one, your table is ready.

Weekends are best for phone calls.