where can i get mog axles without getting a negative checking balance.
what do you do to a mog 404 axle to get 8 lug and disc brakes also what do you do to the pinion to mount a yoke also the diff is 3.5'' off set what about tranny clearance with a 4l60e and a atlas i have sold my reaper and i am building a compation machine with ls1 motor,4l60e tranny,atlas transfer case.mog axles 42''swampers on hummer rims. i hope to keep the new chasie around 3800lbs maybe?
thank you for any help:)

i dont think they exist, but if you make them i will come.

www.exaxt.ca

btw there is a mercedes forum specifically for these types of questions :flipoff2: exaxt.ca is run by Ryeguy on the board, he seems to be a good guy that is very knowledgable and reasonably priced.

-Steve

Originally posted by offroadr35
btw there is a mercedes forum specifically for these types of questions :flipoff2: exaxt.ca is run by Ryeguy on the board, he seems to be a good guy that is very knowledgable and reasonably priced.

-Steve sorry you west coast guys are so smart. man if i was that smart i would live on a fault line .:flipoff2:

Frankie, I have a 404 Mog. I probably can't help with any of the tech stuff, but I can give you some measurements.
Ricky...seeya...

Originally posted by RickyR
Frankie, I have a 404 Mog. I probably can't help with any of the tech stuff, but I can give you some measurements.
Ricky...seeya... just sell me your axles cheap just sell me your axles cheap sell me your axles cheap are you hipmatized yet o well thanks anyway i may need some measurements later.:D

I thought you found some axles? I guess not, I would like to hear some of this stuff, too, because I just bought a 404. As for the offset axles, just do what mercedes does and offset your engine and tranny 3.5" then run a drivers side drop atlas. :D

Originally posted by AGGIE_04
I thought you found some axles? I guess not, I would like to hear some of this stuff, too, because I just bought a 404. As for the offset axles, just do what mercedes does and offset your engine and tranny 3.5" then run a drivers side drop atlas. :D the guy was sending me the wire info and i never got it and i lost his number maybe it will show up on my cell phone bill so i have no axles i 'm looking jb's off road has the best deal so far on hybryd axles this may be the way i go.
offset 3.5'' that is a idea then my fat ass will make it level :D

Originally posted by frankie fountain
where can i get mog axles without getting a negative checking balance.
what do you do to a mog 404 axle to get 8 lug and disc brakes also what do you do to the pinion to mount a yoke also the diff is 3.5'' off set what about tranny clearance with a 4l60e and a atlas i have sold my reaper and i am building a compation machine with ls1 motor,4l60e tranny,atlas transfer case.mog axles 42''swampers on hummer rims. i hope to keep the new chasie around 3800lbs maybe?
thank you for any help:)

Frankie,
I am contemplating using MOG axles as we speak, haven't decided yet tho. If I do I plan on running a hybrid setup simular to JR's bronco. This is because it allows use of a more useable differental since the MOG diff is long. That coupled with the offset will probably not work well with the 4l60e. I am actually thinking of running with a drivers side diff to get past my 700r4 (same as 4l60e). I am thinking of using a Toyota front axle and just flipping it to achieve this.

As far as lighter on the wallet, there are places that will sell just the outers hub assemblies with inner axles ( these actually bolt onto the MOG housing). With these a guy would just have to make up flanges to be welded to the housing to make it a bolt on deal, and then have inners resplined or new ones made. One note on the axles the short side is considerably necked down and not good for resplining, I plan to have new ones made. Check here for good deal on the hub assemblies. http://www.expedition-imports.com and here for the only custom inners I have found so far: http://www.ctmracing.com/portal.shtml#

Brake conversions tend to be expensive. Look athttp://www.exaxt.ca/ or http://killeraxles.com/ to see what I mean. Probably could have made locally, it would take having a hub machined and broached to bolt on. This would allow an 8 bolt configuration for stock hummer rims. Then just fab up a caliper braket and make chevy rotors fit.

And last for some good reading on MOG axles and hybrids read up here: http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=960
and here:http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=356

Hope that helps and sorry for the length. Keep us or at least me in the loop, I am seriously considering this venture and what to get a cheap deal too. Especially with custom inner axles and brakes!

awsome info thats a great reply thanks;)

Originally posted by frankie fountain
awsome info thats a great reply thanks;)

Thanks, not a problem.

I have about convinced myself in going this route, so if you do also so everyone keep the information coming! And Frankie if you find some deals on making MOG stuff work cheap post it! :)

Originally posted by cruiserrg

Brake conversions tend to be expensive. Look athttp://www.exaxt.ca/ or http://killeraxles.com/ to see what I mean. Probably could have made locally, it would take having a hub machined and broached to bolt on. This would allow an 8 bolt configuration for stock hummer rims. Then just fab up a caliper braket and make chevy rotors fit.

You aren't going to be able to get a custom hub broached at a machine shop. The axle shaft dia/spline is special only to Unimogs. Nobody is going to have a broach for that. That is why everybody but Wolfgang is redrilling the hubs, or using adapters, instead of making new ones. Since Wolfgang is in Germany, he has found a source for having brand new hubs made.


Originally posted by cruiserrg

And last for some good reading on MOG axles and hybrids read up here: http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=960
and here:http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=356

Aaah.. they don't know anything obver there, Especially that one guy ;) :D


Sean

killer axle is cuting down mog axles or housings then how wide are they flang to flang and are they cutting the short side for the front and the long for the rear this would put the front chunk offset at a good place and the rear centerd they have no specs on the site so i dont know does anybody know.?
also exac has some ring adapter that converts the mog pattern to 8 lug it says machining must be done but says nothing about what to machine and i think it said it will make the axle wider anybody know?where are these guys when you need them:D

E-mail the guy at Killer Axle , and tell him to call you. He is an really nice guy to talk to, and he will call you.

Sean

Originally posted by frankie fountain
killer axle is cuting down mog axles or housings then how wide are they flang to flang and are they cutting the short side for the front and the long for the rear this would put the front chunk offset at a good place and the rear centerd they have no specs on the site so i dont know does anybody know.?
also exac has some ring adapter that converts the mog pattern to 8 lug it says machining must be done but says nothing about what to machine and i think it said it will make the axle wider anybody know?where are these guys when you need them:D

I'm here. :-)

We have to machine the original hub to fit the new rotor. Minor "tweaking" is needed to the portal housing to clear the caliper, but my hunch is most on this board can do this.

Our disk brake conversion does widen the WMS width, but since the portals are inside the wheels, IMHO you want to run a lot of backspacing (like Hummer wheels) to get back to a decent swept radius during turning.

We have narrowed axles too. It's not a trivial task because the housings are double walled. Swapping the housing side to side is even more fun. :-)

--Rob

Tons of Mog Stuff @ SORV (http://www.sorv.com)
Plus they have their own board to play with..

Thought I may as well chime in too, if you want some prices on other things than listed you can email me at taradon@uniserve.com

Custom front axles are $375ea.

Custom rear axles $450ea.

disc brake kits (not installed) are $1100 per axle (includes new 8 lug hubs that are made out of 1045 steel)

narrowed housing (one side only to eliminate the weird 3.5" offsets) $350ea. including core charge.

Front axle $1300ea

Rear axle $700ea

I have several different pinion conversions so email me for prices.

-Don Henry

Originally posted by taradon
Thought I may as well chime in too, if you want some prices on other things than listed you can email me at taradon@uniserve.com

Custom front axles are $375ea.

Custom rear axles $450ea.

disc brake kits (not installed) are $1100 per axle (includes new 8 lug hubs that are made out of 1045 steel)

narrowed housing (one side only to eliminate the weird 3.5" offsets) $350ea. including core charge.

Front axle $1300ea

Rear axle $700ea

I have several different pinion conversions so email me for prices.

-Don Henry how much for hybryd housings and inner axles .say dana 60 centers or 9'' both 35 spline
how much for the nuckles and reduction box's
how much for just the 8 lug hub only
i have been calling you and your voice mail is full whats up ?
sombody is going to get my mony i am ready to buy now!!!!!!!!!

Hey Frankie,
Exuse my typing, I slept my way through the 9th grade.
in reference to your question there are some later model axles w/ discs and higher gear ratio's . Like as high as 5.56 instead of 7.14. there is a guy in canada that says he can get them imported BUT he's talking about 2k each. He also supplies the yoke you need for your driveshafts. I think he was mentioned in the 4x4 article ultimate axles or something

Originally posted by Shupee
Hey Frankie,
Exuse my typing, I slept my way through the 9th grade.
in reference to your question there are some later model axles w/ discs and higher gear ratio's . Like as high as 5.56 instead of 7.14. there is a guy in canada that says he can get them imported BUT he's talking about 2k each. He also supplies the yoke you need for your driveshafts. I think he was mentioned in the 4x4 article ultimate axles or something 9th grade fawk man you are smart i made it to the 7th grade o well i guess you can be smarter than me but let me ask you have you got any gotes? hey you are a fawkin newbie ha ha ha i used to be.:flipoff2: thanks for the info look out i see you shupee

Originally posted by Daniel
DON charges $4000 for a front mog9 (9 inch ford center) any locker, any width, including custom 35 spline axles and 70 gear ratio's available



Has anyone done this yet besides me? got Pictures? or just talk?

I think, we have to fabricate the best and strongest quality parts the customer can get. This is the reason why we machine the hub and the flange conversion out of one piece Chromo42/4 steel.
We think, it doesn´t make sense to build a weak part in a strong axle. Sure, the customer may have to spend some more money in the moment, but we think our quality will help to save money in the future.
Also our axle shaft are "forged" out of 4340 steel. That makes the shafts a lot stronger than stock shafts.
You can get the shafts in any lenght and any spline you want, to build your own axle.
We can sell you complete axle to your specs or only the parts you need to build your crawler axle.

The price for a forged 4340 shaft any lenght and spline is 350$
The disc brake kit with one piece hub (nothing to machine) starts at 950$
The pinion conversion, one piece chromo steel is 230$

Right now a used front axle is priced to sell for 1000$


Wolfgang@tibus-Offroad.com
www.killeraxles.com

Originally posted by JR


Has anyone done this yet besides me? got Pictures? or just talk? hi jr i will say it one more time that bronc is the badest thing i ever saw it is the reason i am getting mog axles and building a new machine do you have good pics of your axles?
how do you like the pinion brake on your axles .how much up and down travel does your bronc have thanks jr for any help.also where did you get your axles.do you have any advice for me on mog axles?

My name is wolfgang. Daniel is my son. We run the business together and our plan is to move to South California, so the shipping will be from there. (October or November 2002)

Wolfgang@tibus-Offroad.com
Daniel@tibus-Offroad.com

Thanks frankie. Sense the bronc is trailerd, I can get by with the pinion bearing oiling of an upside down 9" and pinion brakes. I don't recomend either for the street. Both will get way too hot!

Stick with reyguy about info on 'mog axles. He is smart and honest.
If you do a search you'll find a lot of info. on my axles.
Here are some pics I posted so Daniel could copy my axles.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64270
I would go with hummer portals and independent suspension, if I did it again, and I just might.

Originally posted by JR
Thanks frankie. Sense the bronc is trailerd, I can get by with the pinion bearing oiling of an upside down 9" and pinion brakes. I don't recomend either for the street. Both will get way too hot!

Stick with reyguy about info on 'mog axles. He is smart and honest.
If you do a search you'll find a lot of info. on my axles.
Here are some pics I posted so Daniel could copy my axles.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64270
I would go with hummer portals and independent suspension, if I did it again, and I just might. what makes you wont hummer portals with custom ifs?what have you seen to make you think of this .i think you are the badest thing around now i do not understand so tell me before i spend my money on mog axles if you are going ifs then how much will you sell me your axles for?

I don´t know who is the innovater and who the immitator.
We did the custom independant with hummer reduction boxes 4 years ago but we found out that the Hummer parts are weaker than the MOG parts. Also the ground clearance is not as good as on the Mog portals because you do not have the clearance from wheel to wheel.
We also had the hybrid in test since 2 Years with different center sections. We solved all the oiling problems and never had a heat problem. We test all our products before we put them on the market. This is the reason why you will not find parts bolted or welded together and nothing is machined down. We make them all new as strong as possible.
The strongest version is still the MOG center with the MOG torque tubes. We developed a Transfercase to keep the torque tubes with almost any Transmission and Motor. PTO is also possible.

Only if you have limited space for the pinion, it makes sense to use a hybrid. You do not need a longer gear ratio if you like to run you truck for rockcrawling or only a pinion brake because you can not drive your truck on the street with the pinion brake.
For smaller trucks like Jeep, are the hybrid a very good choice. You can pick up the 5.30 ratio and use them on the street with disc brakes.

Originally posted by Wolfgang
The strongest version is still the MOG center with the MOG torque tubes. We developed a Transfercase to keep the torque tubes with almost any Transmission and Motor. PTO is also possible.

Wolfgang,
I'd be interested, as I am sure others would, to see some information and pictures of this transfercase. I am curious on dimensions, transmission adapting options, difficulty changing the length of the torque tubes, and cost.

Originally posted by Wolfgang
I don´t know who is the innovater and who the immitator.
We did the custom independant with hummer reduction boxes 4 years ago but we found out that the Hummer parts are weaker than the MOG parts. Also the ground clearance is not as good as on the Mog portals because you do not have the clearance from wheel to wheel.
We also had the hybrid in test since 2 Years with different center sections. We solved all the oiling problems and never had a heat problem. We test all our products before we put them on the market. This is the reason why you will not find parts bolted or welded together and nothing is machined down. We make them all new as strong as possible.
The strongest version is still the MOG center with the MOG torque tubes. We developed a Transfercase to keep the torque tubes with almost any Transmission and Motor. PTO is also possible.

Only if you have limited space for the pinion, it makes sense to use a hybrid. You do not need a longer gear ratio if you like to run you truck for rockcrawling or only a pinion brake because you can not drive your truck on the street with the pinion brake.
For smaller trucks like Jeep, are the hybrid a very good choice. You can pick up the 5.30 ratio and use them on the street with disc brakes.


Wolfgang, do you have any pics of your of your hybrids?

I drove Pat Gremillion's rig ( it has hummer portals) and was very impressed. It just seems to glide through the rocks. It's hard to explain, one just needs to experience it.
It has 20-24" of clearance under the axles (mine have18")
The bulky A arms are gone. The hole rig weighs 3k lbs. which is why strenght is less of an issue.
There is another thread on this topic.

volvo verses mog 404 talk to me.

Originally posted by Shupee
Hey Frankie,
Exuse my typing, I slept my way through the 9th grade.
in reference to your question there are some later model axles w/ discs and higher gear ratio's . Like as high as 5.56 instead of 7.14. there is a guy in canada that says he can get them imported BUT he's talking about 2k each. He also supplies the yoke you need for your driveshafts. I think he was mentioned in the 4x4 article ultimate axles or something
Hey Ken,

Since nobody else has said it, Welcome to the board NEWBIE! :flipoff2: :D

TARADON has my order after many hours or days of research i have decided to use taradon for my custom mog axles they will be ready in about 1 month i will update you all on his products and service sofar so good the check is in the mail.these are the specs on what i'm ordering.
2 steer axles front axle short side cut down 7'' to offset the pinion for clearance and the new hubs and brakes will widen the axle about 7'' so i keep the 70'' track width cool.both axles will have pinion flange conversions and they will have the factory lockers.
the rear is cut down on the long side 7'' to center the pinion or cloes to center and has the same specs as the front
wheel mounted disk
2 axles 860lbs
i have also orderd double ended steering rams from troy at the bad lands and a danfoss valve with anti kickback plate.
we are still undesided of the power plant v6 or v8 or jet turbyn whatever we use it will be aluminum .
thanks for the good deal taradon;)

Empty out your PM box Frankie.

Sean