Who is interested to buy selectable lockers for the 2 1/2 ton Rockwell axle.
If there is enough interest, i will to start to build them.

www.killeraxles.com

I would buy them for sure!! as long as they were as beefy or beefier than the detroit.

This locker is a selctable locker operated by vacuum or elektric and it is not possible to make it for $ 425 or less. The prince range would be about the same like the ARB or OX - locker and it depends on the quantity.

www.killeraxles.com

Daniel, i know it´s a very limited market. But if i can sell 50 of them it´s ok. If not, i don´t produce them. No problem.
With 50 lockers i only brake even.
I just wondering that nobody makes them.

www.killeraxles.com

I would buy one if it was electric, not pneumatic. Just my opnion that air sucks, electric is good. Need a vehicle to prototype on?

Sounds good if they are cable, or electric. Air sucks. I would like to open the front diff on my 66 project, if said locker was avail.

air lockers are in use in thousands of semi's with no problems, so why do you not like them?
cause ARB built trouble prone ones for tiny jeep difs?

I don't like em, cause i don't want to have to add on-board air, setup regulators, or even worse - (ala ARB) - buy a specific compressor/regulator just for the lockers. If he makes em solenoid activated with 12v, it's simple and easy wiring that i can do quickly, and troubleshoot quickly. Just my personal preference. If I worked in pneumatics, I may feel differently.

Hey wes he said vacume, I dont think that you need to put in a compressor to find vacume on your rig!

DOH! Hey MO, gimme another :beer: , I can't see straight...

PS: get a dictionary, it's vacuum, not "vacume". :flipoff2:

If you make a "vacuum" locker, converting it to a cable style should be pretty easy, I'd pony up for a cable locker for around $500 to go in the front, that kind of upgrade should push the 2.5 tons into the lead for best swapped axles for a comp. rig over the mog axles.

i would definately buy one, or two....

I think this is a good idea...I can see the use in wheeling and also homemade farm equipment...where the ground can't get torn up to bad...


I think you could sell 50 for sure, it may take a month or 6 months..but I think you can.


then use that info for a test market to see if how much demand there is.

I think that with all the tricks people are learning widespread use of rockwells will start up...

tell us what you decide!

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
that kind of upgrade should push the 2.5 tons into the lead for best swapped axles for a comp. rig over the mog axles.

You smoke a lot of crack, or just before you made this statement? :shaking:

Yo Wolfgang, I already have a Detroit for my front and I'm gonna weld the rear, BUT if you have the capacity to make selectable lockers then you have the capacity to make lock out hubs that would, IMHO, sell like hotcakes.

JYS

Is this thing running Rockwells? Sure
looks like it and claims air lockers...

http://www.greensix.simonides.org/owners/skule-johansen/skule.html

it does apper that it has allready been done. and a nice looking job at that. mike

dentedRam
Yes, Rockwells
I am wondering where i can buy these lockers?
I think they were only made for Scandinavia.

i'll buy one. Rockwells are about to blow up so you should sell them pretty easily once they do

I like the idea of having bullet-proof axles that have awesome driveshaft angles, can be shaved for better clearance then a 60, are plentiful, and cheap. Now if that's what a crack-head thinks then DAMN that's a pretty smart crack-head, but for other people who like to talk shit about other peoples post then I guess they can just stick a pair of Dynatrac 60's up there BIG ASS:flipoff2: , we need to call you BIGTURD because of all the shit you talk:rolleyes:

If the capability is there to make a selectable locker for the 2 1/2 ton, why not make one for 14 bolt chevys. There is a VERY limited selection of lockers for it, and no selectables. Why not beat Ox Trax to the punch. I think that you would sell ALOT of them. Just my .02$

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
I like the idea of having bullet-proof axles that have awesome driveshaft angles, can be shaved for better clearance then a 60, are plentiful, and cheap. Now if that's what a crack-head thinks then DAMN that's a pretty smart crack-head, but for other people who like to talk shit about other peoples post then I guess they can just stick a pair of Dynatrac 60's up there BIG ASS:flipoff2: , we need to call you BIGTURD because of all the shit you talk:rolleyes:

You're on crack, dude.

WEIGHT

Less weight= better performance

Originally posted by Aggro


You're on crack, dude.

WEIGHT

Less weight= better performance

Couldn't have said it better myself :D

We need to call you "jayrockn-doesn't know shit about competition". Let me ask you another one smart guy. Without rear steer- how tight of a turning radius can you achive with a rockwell front?? Come on big talker, let's see how much you really know about these axles. How much does a steering front weigh also?? If you know this info please don't chime in until dumbass has had a chance to reply.

I just want to know the benefit of the added weight, the width, and the single axle steering from his perspective. Also, how many comps have you been involved in to know that these axles will be "the best swapped axles for a comp. rig"?


You're just another uneducated jackass who reads to many magazines and doesn't do any real research before he shoots his mouth off. You must be used to looking like an idiot so this time will be nothing different for you.

I apologize for not adding to this thread in a productive manner. I think Rockwells are great axles, and a selectable locker would be sweet. I just don't see them being "the best swapped axles for a comp. rig", and then some jackass newbie decides he wants to get into it. Let's go jr., come aaawwwwn!!! :eek: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Daniel
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Vendors need not apply! :p

All you less weight people are full of shit!!!! Did you hear me? FULL OF SHIT!!!!! Weight at the axles only helps your center of gravity. As long as you have enough traction to climb to an angle where your front tires come off of the ground and you start to roll over bnackwards without sliding backwards, then you have more traction than you have wheelbase and at that point weight doesn't matter. At that point the only thing that can hold you back is power but as long as you have a good SB then that isnt an issue. I bet that ZUK that was on this site about a week back will wheel awsome because all the weight is low and I bet you have to try hard to roll that bitch. If you dont have the traction to climb without sliding then it is time to lose some weight or to go to a tire with a bigger contact patch. :rolleyes: I am all for losing weight up top. I plan on going to an entirely aluminum 383 down the road and a kevlar body and anything alse that will help lose weight up top but I am not even worried about the rockwells because they keep me anchored to terra firma!!!!:flipoff2: Now if you are in competition and you can only run pussy tires then you will want to match your weight to the contact patch of those 37 BFGs or to the MTRs. Its all about matching weight with contact patch and wheelbase. :flipoff2: And hell no they are not good axles for arca or calrocs because of the widths and the little tires they make you run but for Pro Rock I think they are great and I cant wait to see some of those huge michelin tires at the super crawl!!!!

as long as you have a good SB

Wha??? You make it sound as if a SB chevy is a necessity?? My 6-banger does JUST FINE, thank you.

Ohh and everything else you said, i agree with %120.

Ohh and BIGDUDE - I am not gonna give you any info about rockwells until that JayRockn guy has had a chance to defend himself. BUT - you can't use weight a factor when arguing about rockwells VS mogs. He said: "best swapped axles for a comp. rig over the mog axles." He wasn't talkin about 60's or whatever. So you can't stand there and say that a mog axle is lighter than a rockwell with pinion brake. You can however, stand there and talk about how portals are the shit, and even though mogs are heavy too, at least they have ground clearance.

Originally posted by jeeper111
All you less weight people are full of shit!!!! Did you hear me? FULL OF SHIT!!!!!

**SNIP**

Now if you are in competition and you can only run pussy tires then you will want to match your weight to the contact patch of those 37 BFGs or to the MTRs. Its all about matching weight with contact patch and wheelbase. :flipoff2: And hell no they are not good axles for arca or calrocs because of the widths and the little tires they make you run but for Pro Rock I think they are great and I cant wait to see some of those huge michelin tires at the super crawl!!!!

:rolleyes: THERE IS NOOOOOO TIRE SIZE LIMIT IN PRO ROCKS OR CAL ROCS!!!! Dumbass.

So where are all these big boys :confused: I don't see them at the top and according to your logic they should already be there.

i still think it all comes down to the sponsers of our sport. the biggest tire they make is a 37[good year and bfg] it would be simple to come up with some big tire ledges to hurt the smaller tire competitors. but as long as the money is coming from small tire guys, the cones will be layed out so that a 37" tire can win. this has been my observation. mike

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
Ohh and BIGDUDE - I am not gonna give you any info about rockwells until that JayRockn guy has had a chance to defend himself. BUT - you can't use weight a factor when arguing about rockwells VS mogs. He said: "best swapped axles for a comp. rig over the mog axles." He wasn't talkin about 60's or whatever.

I really don't think he is that smart. I'm pretty sure he meant that Mog axles are the best over everything. Then that Rockwells will be with selectable locker. Like I said, I think Rockwells are great, but for competitions I think there are MUCH better options.

well I didnt say that there was a tire size limit in pro rocks and as far as calrocks goes. From what I have heard it will be merging with RCAA and there rules will be the same next year. So fuck off!!

Oh and elf-cruiser. I didnt say that you had to have a SB, just that it works. I am sure a six works too, just not your six. HAHAHAHA:flipoff2: Sorry the 4 banger has made me bitter!!!

Originally posted by jeeper111
as far as calrocks goes. From what I have heard it will be merging with RCAA

But they weren't the same this season so fuck off to you :rolleyes: Also what are "the widths they make you run" as you mentioned earlier :confused:

The fact is that there were big tired Rockwell rigs running cal rocs & ERoCC and I don't think they won squat. There was also the chance for the big boys to shine in Pro Rocks (as you pointed out and I misread), they did not.


You still haven't answered where are all these big boys? I don't see them at the top and according to your logic they should already be there.

Now gunracer1 made this statement

the cones will be layed out so that a 37" tire can win


How exactly would that be done? (seriously, please explain it to me)

by making the course tight, the ledges smaller, and make it favor a rig in the 107" wb range. it is quite easy to decide who would win a comp by course layout. as in a 5' ledge straight up. that would favor a 120" wheelbase rig on 44s or bigger with plenty of room between the cones. as long as the gates stay narrow and the ledges doable with a 37" tire, they will continue to win on 37 radials. just my 2 cents mike

Originally posted by gunracer1
by making the course tight, the ledges smaller, and make it favor a rig in the 107" wb range. it is quite easy to decide who would win a comp by course layout. as in a 5' ledge straight up. that would favor a 120" wheelbase rig on 44s or bigger with plenty of room between the cones. as long as the gates stay narrow and the ledges doable with a 37" tire, they will continue to win on 37 radials. just my 2 cents mike

I see your point but I must disagree. Cones are normally placed to force competitors to drive through a tough section. If the tough section is 1o feet across then the cones are that wide. You start to make the cones wider everywhere so the big guys can just plow through, then the little guys can squirm around the tougher stuff. Just my .02 there.

but if a ledge is 5' tall and the cones are on either side, guess what , it favors the long wheelbase big tire rigs. face it big tires make for small rocks. granted the tires that are over 44" don't flex that well and will never do that great in compition as they are layed out now. but it is nice to see a varity out there. when i pulled into hogans and saw all those monster rigs, i have to admit it was imtimdating. but after looking at the course layout none had a true advantage, most we hindered because of their size. the 37s kicked ass up there. but the corse was not layed out up the big ledges. the biggest one i saw was in the 3.5 to 4' range straight up. another 2 cents worth. mike

fawk the newbies hey big dude you know about the comps because you are always there and i used to argue this same shit with him, but big dude is pretty smart and competative i went to erocc to shut him up did i?well yes and no i gainde the respect of many peaple that said i was full of shit with a big ass rig on 44'' boggers and rockwells did i win hell no did i have a chance hell yes. i was compeating against shupee and troy ultra light weight and both dam good drivers i saw i studied and now i build a erocc rig for the compation the big tired rigs have a chance but the smaller lighter rigs have a better chance beside if big dude wonted to he could squosh you all like a turd i like my reaper for trail riding(or i used to sold it) and i think this erocc rig will be less of a trail machine but it is not for trail riding it is for kicking shuppee's ass ha ha ha :flipoff2:

So where are all these big boys I don't see them at the top and according to your logic they should already be there.

If you know anything about rockcrawling comps, then you know that the rig is the least important thing out there. And tires are just one part of the rig. My point is that tires have very little effect on winning/losing a competition. Not to say that they are insignificant, but they are only one factor in a large equation. Everyone who competes brings a capable rig, that is a given. It has a lot more to do with driving/spotting/communication, than with the vehicle.

Simply stated: The people win, NOT the tires...

Originally posted by elf_cruiser


Simply stated: The people win, NOT the tires...

YEAH!!!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by elf_cruiser


If you know anything about rockcrawling comps, then you know that the rig is the least important thing out there. And tires are just one part of the rig. My point is that tires have very little effect on winning/losing a competition. Not to say that they are insignificant, but they are only one factor in a large equation. Everyone who competes brings a capable rig, that is a given. It has a lot more to do with driving/spotting/communication, than with the vehicle.

Simply stated: The people win, NOT the tires...


I agree that the driver/spotter team is what wins, but only when provided with a rig that is equally capable when compared to it's peers (other rigs). I know a little about teamwork and comps. Spotted for different rigs in different classes/comps. Where does your rock crawling competition experience come from? (spectating really doesn't count- that's like a guy watching Nascar and thinking he can go out and win Daytona). I don't think tires win, but they can help you to lose (goes along with the competant rig theory). Weight can also help you to lose, whether it's from tires, axles, motor, etc.

My whole point in this thread was that "jayrockn-doesn't know shit" was a fool for saying above ALL other axles Rockwells will be the best for a comp buggy (if they have a selectable locker). Do you (elf-cruiser), Jeeper111, or anyone else really agree with him on that :eek:

No i don't agree with J-Rockyn, and this thread has gotten really off-topic, still a good thread though.

My experience comes from a lot of wheeling, no comps yet. But when i watch a comp, i'm not looking for the action, i am studying what works/doesn't work. And I just hate it when people think that whatever setup the winner is using, must be the best way to go.

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
And I just hate it when people think that whatever setup the winner is using, must be the best way to go.

Agreed. In a growing sport innovation/invention is the key to success. The question that's relevant is how far should one take it before the benefits subscribe to the law of diminishing returns. Here's a guy we competed against in ERoCC for example: 48" Michelins, MOG axles, 4 wheel steering. Do you really need 48" tall tires with portals? (my opinion is no). Do you really need 4 wheel steering? (when penalized for it's use - as we were there - my opinion is no) He was knocked out of the comp due to a severe roll, which was on a steep ledge well over 5 ft tall. Those 48" michelins, mog axles, and 4 wheel steering all contributed to that roll (as you can see on the video). Yeah that stuff was great to have and maybe he got around a rock or two that others had to climb, but did it really benefit him that much (again my opinion is no). He was also not in the points hunt when he rolled.

and you are right about jayrockn, but i think a good spoter is even more important than either the driver or the rig, but that another subject. mike

Man this stupid shit is what makes this BBS slow down, I shouldn't have to justify my opinion about "ROCKWELLS or UNIMOG" axles I don't agree with you, and you talk a bunch of shit, that's all. Sure leighter is better, but that's where the chasis design comes in to play, and with cutting brakes a Rockwell will turn just fine without rear-steer if not welded (just look at Kevin vs. Frankie when he isn't using it). OH and about the weight of the Front axles, Bigdude your own rig sports a DANA 60 front and with out drum brakes a Rockwell is only about 100#'s more, to me that's not a hell of a lot more when you look at the big picture. Sorry to everyone else about fawking this thread up and getting into an off-topic fight, done.:emb4:

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Man this stupid shit is what makes this BBS slow down, I shouldn't have to justify my opinion about "ROCKWELLS or UNIMOG" axles I don't agree with you, and you talk a bunch of shit, that's all. Sure leighter is better, but that's where the chasis design comes in to play, and with cutting brakes a Rockwell will turn just fine without rear-steer if not welded (just look at Kevin vs. Frankie when he isn't using it). OH and about the weight of the Front axles, Bigdude your own rig sports a DANA 60 front and with out drum brakes a Rockwell is only about 100#'s more, to me that's not a hell of a lot more when you look at the big picture. Sorry to everyone else about fawking this thread up and getting into an off-topic fight, done.:emb4:

What makes the BBS slow down is when the service provider caps the bandwidth w/o notifying the webmaster (don't you read the posts at the top of the page?)

You voice your opinion and I voice mine. If you're so bothered by my talking shit then you're a big baby :whispering: it's the internet :done whispering: Off topic rants are to be expected here and it makes for good entertainment for everyone :D

I can't reference Frankie's turning ability because he broke so much shit with his boat anchor axles. Plus he's from Finland so he doesn't have any common sense :laughing:

My rig sports a D60 so it won't break. I also don't compete in my rig :flipoff2: The TJ we run has HP60s w/ chromoly tubes, 5 on 5.5" BP, 1/2 ton discs,etc. Needless to say it's a lot lighter than your favorite axles :flipoff2:

One thing to keep in mind with all this talk of rockcrawling compitions and buggies and all is they are purpose built rigs. If anyone was serious about having a duel purpose truck it seemes like they would use a 60/14 bolt or a 60/60 or a 44/60, or somthing where you can change the gear ratios to optimise engine speed and road speed with what ever size tire you choose, and have a wide assortment of lockers/limited slips (including selectable lockers). Rockwells don't "bolt" into anything and it seems to me that anyone hardcore enough to build a truck around rockwells is hardcore enough to ride around with welded differentials. I mean seriously, how many of you go rockcrawling or mud slinging or trail riding or what ever it is were you live and then when you are driving around the rest of the week on pavment you say to yourself "Gee, I sure do wish I had a selectable locker in my ROCKWELL EQUIPED DAILY DRIVER!"

Mabey I am off the mark, but the way I understand it selectable lockers are for duel purpose street/trail trucks so you can have a locked differential on the trail and an open on the street. Rockwells are not street axles. That is why I don't see a great need for a locking differential, and I think it would be a long time before you could sell 50.

Like I said in my previous post I have a welded rear and a Detroit in the front, but if I were sereious about street driving (and the need to "unlock"on pavement) I would run welded front and rear, and put one lock out hub on each axle. That would almost be just like a open differential, and when I blew out a lock out hub (and it would happen sooner or later) it would be no problem to throw the old hub back on to get home.

I don't mean to piss on your parade, that's just the way I see it.

JYS

agreed that rockwells are not the best for comp. in the calrocs/rcaa events. I think it is obvious that these courses and rules were setup to promote the sponsers and that is fine. You cant just go off on the bigger tires becasue not enough of them have been used in competition and I havn't seen any of them that had the newly grooved side walls which from the pics on this board seem to make them flex very well. Also I havn't seen a course setup with 5 foot ledge strait veticle climbs. If they all were and it was legal to do so, you would see alot more of the very large tires because that is what would be required for the terrain. As of now the terrain and obstacles they are picking only require a 37 so that is the tire of choice. I am not saying that anyone should switch to rockwells or those large tires because that would not work well in those two events. However, in an unlimited event like Pro Rocks, they are a definii option and should be explored by people who have the knowledge, experience, inovation, and most importantly, the money to do these setups right. They require alot of time and alot of money to be done right. But I think that a setup can be arrived at that will allow those tires to really shine. The research is just not there yet but after seeing how well those cut tires flexed and feeling how the brand new tires felt, I know they can work great on very extreme terrain.

"Gee, I sure do wish I had a selectable locker in my ROCKWELL EQUIPED DAILY DRIVER!"

Actually, i say that quite often, LOL! I still like to drive my cruiser on the street, and the welded rear is annoying, so sue me. I am hardcore enough to drive around with no windshield, however. Seriously, though - the point of a selectable locker is not just for pavement pounding. Having open diffs makes you more manueverable off-road, and in a competition that is very important. Then hit a button, and you are spooled when you want to be. Also, there seems to be some wierd things going with detroits in Rockwells when they are used with pinion brakes. Having a spool ensures that your pinion brake is gonna stop both tires. So, there is a real off-road reason to run a selectable diff. Nothing against detroits, but why not have the option?

i dont have alot to ad about rockwells, a selectable locker would be great for those running them, but even with the flipped hubs they are generally too wide for my type trail running.

too wide??? too wide???

So i had to try a little harder to squeeze through some spots, give me a break. That just makes it more interesting...

Ok I have no rock crawling experiance beyond watching, but I do have personal experiance with ARB's and it can be a bitch to get around when the front is locked in, not to mention it is hard on parts, I've broke alot of axles being locked in when I shouldn't have granted rockwells are beefy I've still seen them break often enough. Now if there is a good product out that can help your manuverability plus when smartly used can save parts, If I didn't buy it myself, I at least wouldn't rip on it or talk it down. as a matter of fact If you do decide to make them count me down for two as long as you can keep them afordable. John

where have you seen lots of rockwells break. I have only heard of them breaking 4 different times. The spool will not be the end of a rockwell. That is for sure. These would go great with the 8 lug outers that avalanche and boyce are both coming out with!!! Having selectable lockers, 8 lug outers that you can run champions or trailreadies on at a reasonable price and cutting them for more clearance than a nine inch would make for a a sweet set of axles. Plus these outers might get them skinny enough to make them a viable option for all the competitions! The only thing left to do is to make ring and pinion which would be so easy!! All it consists of is a regular ring and an through pinion. You wouldn't even have to touch the helical gears. Does anybody out there have experience with custom ring and pinion????

Hope I didn't spill the beans on the outers but maybe they will hurry and get them done if they know people are waiting on them. :D

Originally posted by jeeper111
where have you seen lots of rockwells break. I have only heard of them breaking 4 different times. The spool will not be the end of a rockwell. That is for sure. he must mean non u joint style:rolleyes:

Originally posted by frankie finland

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You're name and location are killing me :laughing:

im ent u joint style but one thing is the u joint isn't the part that breaks its the shafts they twist off either just as they go into the hub or just as they go int the pumpkin. I can get pics today if anyone is interested

In what situation do these keep breaking? Mud, Rocks, what? How heavy is the vehicle? Big Block, and 54" michelins? Need more info than just "rockwells break..."

man i was realy putting lots of efort into breaking my 4 wheel steer u joint style rockwells with 500 hores and a 5100lbs and 44'' cut boggers on my machine machine .if you saw me at erocc you will know how i drive .and this is how i drive when the shit gets hard i push the mofo down because i can without fear of breaking i say the rockwells are tuffer than my foot will bear. the axle will hold out bucking with the reer steer cut untill my back and kidneys say stop.so if you saw some broke i can not understand what went wrong.but anything is posible with enogh foot ,weight,and tire.and to anyone that is wondering why i am swaping to mog axles it is for the 80'' out to out on my tires and the ground clearance and the weight ,but if i was only trail riding and some comps. i woud go rockwell all the way for the mony and the ability of backyard build ups and the stability they are wide and hold the rig to mother earth or ice like we have here in finland ya :D

Originally posted by frankie finland
man i was realy putting lots of efort into breaking my 4 wheel steer u joint style rockwells with 500 hores and a 5100lbs and 44'' cut boggers on my machine machine .if you saw me at erocc you will know how i drive .and this is how i drive when the shit gets hard i push the mofo down because i can without fear of breaking i say the rockwells are tuffer than my foot will bear. the axle will hold out bucking with the reer steer cut untill my back and kidneys say stop.so if you saw some broke i can not understand what went wrong.but anything is posible with enogh foot ,weight,and tire.and to anyone that is wondering why i am swaping to mog axles it is for the 80'' out to out on my tires and the ground clearance and the weight ,but if i was only trail riding and some comps. i woud go rockwell all the way for the mony and the ability of backyard build ups and the stability they are wide and hold the rig to mother earth or ice like we have here in finland ya :D

ya...ice is good..... no?

so basically a big heavy truck, with big heavy tyres, big a$$ed throttle jockey driving, and big horsepower and the rockwells lived

thats all the beef you need!!

I got pics of the broken axles but I dont know how or if I can post a pic because of my board status. if someone tells me how to post it or will post it for me, let me know.

This guy was runnig groved 44 boggers and was just beating the shit out of his rig on the trail. (memorial 2002 in dresser wisconsin)

we need to look at the fact that these axles are 30 to 40 years old!who knows what kind of life they have had.lets think about getting to drive a 6x6 that belongs to uncle sam would you if given the chance beat the shit out of the 6x6 i know i would so maybe some axles where abused and used more than others. this is why on my mog axles that i'm having all new inner axles built becaus they are about as old and maybe as abused i know they will be abused when i get them.i have had great luck with rockwells and recamend them to customers that wont bullitproof drive trains.:p

I tried to get him to send them to me about 30 minutes ago.
No response.:rolleyes:
Maybe it never happened.

Originally posted by frankie finland
we need to look at the fact that these axles are 30 to 40 years old!who knows what kind of life they have had.lets think about getting to drive a 6x6 that belongs to uncle sam would you if given the chance beat the shit out of the 6x6 i know i would so maybe some axles where abused and used more than others. this is why on my mog axles that i'm having all new inner axles built becaus they are about as old and maybe as abused i know they will be abused when i get them.i have had great luck with rockwells and recamend them to customers that wont bullitproof drive trains.:p
I agree with my Finnish friend. I bought 7 sets of rockwells when I got mine. When I went through them they varied from almost brand new looking to having broken axles (one rear did).