I am building an 85 CJ7 Renegade into a rock crawler. My son rolled his 77 CJ5 driving at high speed on a dirt road. Trying to impress the ladies with him I guess. Anyway back to the topic. I am looking for your opions on what is a good cage design and anything you might do different form your design.

NOT HARD CORE!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578353

NOT sure what you are referring to as HARD CORE, my CJ7 has everything you have listed and more if you include lockers, on board air both mechanical and CO2, 7-1/2" of lift and running 35's only becuase bigger tires cost more, true twin stick on my 4:1 Tera Low set, Warn chromo in the front and Mosier in the rear.

So back to my original question do any of you have any suggestions or things you would do differently for A HARD CORE cage design?

Search...:shaking:

this is a request for pictures not designs. Buy a red star and search.

to answer your question: get some PVC and glue a cage together. But make sure you have plenty of triangulation :flipoff2:

are you too lazy to look at the link I sent you?

I just wanted to get this straight. The guy with 35s, a Dana 30 frontend, (that's " locked and loaded") is crying not hardcore. Drop ur damn attitude. A good cage is hardcore. It can save ur ass when ur going end over end. And that crap about lazy and what not. The guy is looking for specific stuff and wants to bring it to one spot. Along with that he wants it to be current info. so again people like u on this site need to drop ur I'm better bull$&/@!!!!

NOT sure what you are referring to as HARD CORE, my CJ7 has everything you have listed and more if you include lockers, on board air both mechanical and CO2, 7-1/2" of lift and running 35's only becuase bigger tires cost more, true twin stick on my 4:1 Tera Low set, Warn chromo in the front and Mosier in the rear.

So back to my original question do any of you have any suggestions or things you would do differently for A HARD CORE cage design?

Your Jeep is hardcore and it's a big motivation to get the ball rolling on my Renegade. Welcome to the board cweed.
And yeah, building your own cage IS hardcore :flipoff2:

:bender:

No wasn't looking for pictures, I was looking for any insight that people from the offroad community might have that would improve my build. I did look at the link you sent. I have seen these before, nice all of them, but no mention on what they might do differently if they had to do it again.

As for searching I have searched and searched, have plenty of designs of my own, however, as an engineer I also know that somethings things (small they may be) can always be overlooked, which why we discuss and learn from sharing with other people. I have shared my CAD drawings for tube fenders, bumpers, trail racks, axle trusses, twin sticks, and more more with people from all over (no charge, just sharing). Through that sharing many have come back with suggestions on how to make it better. Isn't that what the off road community is all about?

So far within two posts this sight is holding true to it's name as being harsh and a bunch of flamers. I hope this is just a mis-understanding and this board is really better than that.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=492515&highlight=cj+cage+designs

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422091&highlight=cj+cage+designs

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104096&highlight=cj+cage+designs

Glad you didn't do too much damage in the v-notch a few weeks ago ;)

:bender:

Hey Billy it's good hearing from you. I did cut the front bumper back once I got home so I wouldn't get stuck on it again. It was great wheeling with you, we had a lot of fun. We'll be going again this Saturday and meeting at Primo's at 08:30. I did get a couple small stratches on the driver side fenders, but I have my tube fenders cut and bent. Just waiting to weld in the tins.

I got a few new tools for Christmas (1.75" die for my JD2, press break tools and dies, and a couple bottles of Argon. Let me know if you need anything and we can trade ideas or something. I do have a box full of 2" body spacers I made for my 41 willy but never used if you want to raise your body.

Good hearing from you.

NOT HARD CORE!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578353

you are a douchebag! I put a dana 30 "locked and loaded" on my daughters barbie jeep.

Billy, Thanks for the links, My tubing arrives next week and I plan to get started on my red CJ7, the same one that was on the trail. I also have a 77 CJ5 to build a cage for. My son rolled that one last April and broke his back in 4 places ( HIgh speed wreck trying to impress the girls, he's back to work and doing good). If you know of anyone looking for CJ7 parts I have a 79 CJ7 with the 304, auto 400, AMC20 rear and Dana 30 front that is now in pieces. frame is straight, tub has cancer, fenders are straight.

I used the hood and grill to rebuild my son's jeep. I'll send you some photo's of the cage, and hopefully we can meet up on the trail again.

Hey Billy it's good hearing from you. I did cut the front bumper back once I got home so I wouldn't get stuck on it again. It was great wheeling with you, we had a lot of fun. We'll be going again this Saturday and meeting at Primo's at 08:30. I did get a couple small stratches on the driver side fenders, but I have my tube fenders cut and bent. Just waiting to weld in the tins.

I got a few new tools for Christmas (1.75" die for my JD2, press break tools and dies, and a couple bottles of Argon. Let me know if you need anything and we can trade ideas or something. I do have a box full of 2" body spacers I made for my 41 willy but never used if you want to raise your body.

Good hearing from you.

Yeah, you too. I'd be down to do that run again, that was fun.
My project is still on hold till I can sell one of my cars and have a place to build the Jeep but I'm gettin really anxious to start it. I'm not too sure about a body lift cuz I want to keep it as low as possible but you know more than I do. Basically I want my Jeep to be just like yours :)

Billy, Thanks for the links, My tubing arrives next week and I plan to get started on my red CJ7, the same one that was on the trail. I also have a 77 CJ5 to build a cage for. My son rolled that one last April and broke his back in 4 places ( HIgh speed wreck trying to impress the girls, he's back to work and doing good). If you know of anyone looking for CJ7 parts I have a 79 CJ7 with the 304, auto 400, AMC20 rear and Dana 30 front that is now in pieces. frame is straight, tub has cancer, fenders are straight.

I used the hood and grill to rebuild my son's jeep. I'll send you some photo's of the cage, and hopefully we can meet up on the trail again.

Yeah I need some drums, a rear shock mount, and a D30. My D30s a little bent. Well I'm still not sure if the axle is bent or the frame is bent.
I think Igofshn is going Sat too.

Let me know if you need any parts to help you get started and I can look through my pile to see if I have what you need.

I know I need a flywheel, carb rebuild, just little things really. The rear main seal leaks real bad. I've spent all my money on building my Valiant for amateur road racing but can't afford the SCCA fees and track fees so I'm discouraged to continue with that hobby so I want to sell that car too. See ya Saturday.

Triangulation is good, or so I've heard :laughing:

Do a search for an x bar (or lack there of) or something similar to that nature. The pictures speak for themselves. The x bar I am referring to is a triangulated brace on the B-pillar.

Another thing to not over look is head room so you don't smash into it.

You can also do a google searche on Nascar cages. They dump alot of money into testing and safety.

Thnak you fro the replies that is exactly the type of input I was look for. I added a couple more inches of head space, I would be fine but anyone taller (passenager) wouldn't.

Once again thanks.

You newbies are are funny. Hey "what's a good cage" isn't hardcore! It's dumbass. Ask a specific question Mr engineer. Then the newbies all chime in about how good a question the dumbass asked. Then it becomes a dumbass chitchat thread. This board is going to hell.

You newbies are are funny. Hey "what's a good cage" isn't hardcore! It's dumbass. Ask a specific question Mr engineer. Then the newbies all chime in about how good a question the dumbass asked. Then it becomes a dumbass chitchat thread. This board is going to hell.

Guess you didn't read the top post either. cweed was asking people who had built their own cage what they may do different next time.

Way to contribute jackass :shaking:

:laughing::flipoff2:

:laughing::flipoff2:

Wow, I know you and your TJ with a few bolt on parts are so hardcore but until you build a cage and contemplate what you might do different on your next rig, stay the hell out of a thread you know nothing about!

ok, back on topic. I borrowed this pic from the willys build thread.


Kwrangln: wrote
"Stretched a line (tape) from high point of the cage to top of stinger and measured about 6-8" between that line and the hood, figured that was enough clearance for a lil protection when it goes belly up."

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk51/Billygoat4x4/101stinger5-med.jpg

:laughing::flipoff2:


Aren't you the same turd that posted a shop tech question over in chit-chat ??:shaking:



As far as a cage..... .120 DOM tubing, keep the bends to a minimum, use triagulation and gussets, decent welds, tie it into the frame, use quality grade 8 hardware.

Everyone has thier own preference as far as the "style" of a design. Just look at a bunch of different ones, pick the features you want/like. You can also take a few pics of your jeep, and then draw a design on MS paint before you cut or weld anything.

Thanks for all the input some not really usable I must say. I have 1-3/4" .120 wall tubing ordered and have what I think is a good design with the help of some from this group and others that I am a member of.

I have my complete jeep in AutoCad and use the drawings to continue building my jeep. My design was pretty solid to begin with and was based on discussions with other jeepers over the last four years. This post started out just asking what you would do if you had to do it again as a last look before I put what I have into production. Some of you did help and I added a few changes I thank you. For those of you that don't know me or have seen my welds, I build everything on my rigs and others myself with the help of my 13 and 8 year old sons who both can run a decent bead with an arc welder as well. Outside of gearing, machined shafts, or cast cases there is nothing bolt on in my builds. My jeeps have been to the Rubicon, Dusy, swamp, mirror & strawberry lakes, and lately Mojave (I really like this area and the people I have net). I 'd say thats pretty Hard Core in my book, don't really care if no one agrees.

You guy's who simply flame out over a simple question are missing out on gaining more information and enjoyment from the sport, that's too bad. For those of you who want to share and learn together I hope to meet you on the trail, share some ideas, maybe some builds and have a great time.

Thanks to all.

Couple of good threads.
You probably know all this already but I'm putting these links here for me so I don't loose them and can read them over the next few days.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747186
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386480&highlight=pipe
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615640&highlight=pipe
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605854&highlight=pipe
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503330&highlight=pipe
Holy crap
http://pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-BV60/index1a.html
http://pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Links/

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You guy's who simply flame out over a simple question are missing out on gaining more information and enjoyment from the sport, that's too bad. For those of you who want to share and learn together I hope to meet you on the trail, share some ideas, maybe some builds and have a great time.

Thanks to all.

Well said!
Heaven forbid we revisit the merits of cage designs, though. For that matter, we should also blacklist full-width swaps, link set-ups, motor swaps, leaf discussions, and anti-wrap solutions. It has all been beat to death and the idea that, by revisiting any of those topics, we could actually improve the way we do things is simply proposterous. :shaking:

NOT HARD CORE!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578353

you do know thats tj's right :homer:

Any updates of your sons CJ build cweed? Any pics of it? Any pics of the tube fenders you made?
:bender:

We got the fenders from the extra CJ7 I have put on and cut and ready for the tube fenders. I plan on beding the tube and installing this Sunday. He's been waiting to get the money for a radiator and Friday is his birthday so I bought one for him. Other than installing the tube fenders and some paint he'll be ready to go. We gave him 5 point harnesses for Christmas. However, after laying on his back for 12 weeks I think he'll be smarter from now on.


This before he got stupid
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/gallery/files/3/0/2/3/before.jpg

This after he got stupid.
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/gallery/files/3/0/2/3/afterwards.jpg

I'll post some some photos of what we have done so far here in a day or so.

after he got stupid.


..I gotta build a damn cage. Thanks for the reminder.

Thats one of our winter projects once we get it running again. All he had was the factory roll bar and it was not bolted to the frame. 50+ mph on a leeve road in the dark landed him in bed for twelve weeks with a broken back in four places. Thankfully he is walking and back to work, could have been much worse.

Thats one of our winter projects once we get it running again. All he had was the factory roll bar and it was not bolted to the frame. 50+ mph on a leeve road in the dark landed him in bed for twelve weeks with a broken back in four places. Thankfully he is walking and back to work, could have been much worse.

Ouch :eek:, glad to hear he's walking again. Atleast he was wearing a seatbelt.

I like the simple basic cages, such as Arabia's Overkill built on this CJ5, however an X behind the rear seats would strengthen it up a lot and is more:
http://www.pbase.com/the_rutger/image/55678996.jpg

I like the looks of that and it appears simple. I hope he learned a lesson this time. But just for insurance I'll build the cage. My boy's are my best wheeling buds.

Cweed,

Glad to hear that your son was OK, as far too many folks are not nearly as lucky. I'm diggin both of your Jeeps, and am interested in seeing these two continue to be built. Are you gonna have a build thread, or a centralized spot for pics?


513,

Do you have any more info or a build thread on that CJ-5 posted above?

That is a helluva nice looking build!!!

I did a search on, "Arabia's Overkill..." but found nothing.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Are you intending to have 2 occupants or 4? My best advice is make sure that a person can actually sit in the backseat without slamming their heads into something. Most of the cages I see treat the Jeep as a 2 seater. And knowing what I was like as a kid, there would have been 4 people in there regardless of how safe it was.

513,
Do you have any more info or a build thread on that CJ-5 posted above?
That is a helluva nice looking build!!!
I did a search on, "Arabia's Overkill..." but found nothing.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

You mean this one?

http://lotts.com/images/DSCN1444_000.JPG
http://lotts.com/images/DSCN1437_000.JPG
http://lotts.com/images/DSCN1443.JPG
http://lotts.com/images/DSCN1442_2.JPG

His build thread is on here somewhere and his name is svenfire or something like that. He is a way cool guy and customer of mine...he got a old school military trailer that he had built up to match it too kinda recently that was way cool. We just wired that trailer for him and did a small stereo setup and topographical navigation for him that turned out good. I have more pictures of it somewhere...i will try to find. The build thread didnt really have much of it completed if i remember right. And I know its on jeffs site arabiasoverkill.com under sorens build he has pics of the build on that too. Everytime i work on this thing i am amazed at how clean the work is and how much attention to detail was paid. Top notch work with nothing skipped. I have been trying to get out to wheel with him but my jeep wasnt ready yet last summer.

we are rebuilding the site and should have Soren's done in a few days. I have alot more pics to get up. Maybe 60 or so.

You hoped he learned a lesson? What about the baitches? Did they live through this little mistake. Fawk, this world has gone to Shiat! Roll cages may be hardcore with a little less "General Chit Chat." Excuse mine, but you started it.

Good luck to your son and his new protection.

You hoped he learned a lesson? What about the baitches? Did they live through this little mistake. Fawk, this world has gone to Shiat! Roll cages may be hardcore with a little less "General Chit Chat." Excuse mine, but you started it.

:confused:

You hoped he learned a lesson? What about the baitches? Did they live through this little mistake. Fawk, this world has gone to Shiat! Roll cages may be hardcore with a little less "General Chit Chat." Excuse mine, but you started it.

Good luck to your son and his new protection.

Way to post pad newb.

To the OP, what happened to the girls? Were they in the Jeep?

Thornbirds? Come on man:D

You mean this one?

http://lotts.com/images/DSCN1437_000.JPG

His build thread is on here somewhere and his name is svenfire or something like that...

I have more pictures of it somewhere...i will try to find.

The build thread didnt really have much of it completed if i remember right. And I know its on jeffs site arabiasoverkill.com under sorens build he has pics of the build on that too.

Everytime i work on this thing i am amazed at how clean the work is and how much attention to detail was paid. Top notch work with nothing skipped.

I have been trying to get out to wheel with him but my jeep wasnt ready yet last summer.



Thanks alot for the pics, and info where I can find more.

I found his username is firemansven (thanks to your reference above), incase anyone else is interested.

The build thread is: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439818&highlight=

Since UCTJ said exactly what I was thinking as I was reading his build thread...I will quote him, "Thats one helluva build up...I am envious to say the least. IMO thats the best looking CJ5 I have ever seen...keep the pictures coming...I wish you were in my area Id like to see up in person to get some close up looks at all the fab work."

I look forward to more pics, as you said, this is one super clean capable '5.

If you get out wheelin' w/ him, lets see some good action shots!

Thanks again for the info!




We are rebuilding the site and should have Soren's done in a few days. I have alot more pics to get up. Maybe 60 or so...



Checked out your site! Some other super, super nice stuff there too! Thanks for the assistance, and again, AMAZING fab work and attention to detail on this rig! I saw in the build thread where the Misses said the owner originally just wanted a stinger...LOL! I bet you never write off customes, like some shops would...saying they don't have time for a small project, etc. LOL!

Would like to see some current pictres, and feedback on the trick rear suspension set-up.


:smokin:

We got the fenders from the extra CJ7 I have put on and cut and ready for the tube fenders. I plan on beding the tube and installing this Sunday. He's been waiting to get the money for a radiator and Friday is his birthday so I bought one for him. Other than installing the tube fenders and some paint he'll be ready to go. We gave him 5 point harnesses for Christmas. However, after laying on his back for 12 weeks I think he'll be smarter from now on.


This before he got stupid
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/gallery/files/3/0/2/3/before.jpg

This after he got stupid.
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/gallery/files/3/0/2/3/afterwards.jpg

I'll post some some photos of what we have done so far here in a day or so.

2 things
man he is lucky it was at lest a Jeep in the first place.. do that in a honda and your son would be dead.

oo and i really need to build my cage..
thanks for scaring the shit out of me..
i have a 83 CJ
i have been looking for ideas and a program that would help
with designs.. ie... simulate a roll over and see the week points
in the design.. which there does not seem to be any..
too bad.. could be a big money maker...

Any updates?