i have been sicker than a dog the last few days but told myself that i would not miss any long range tactical matches this year. i forced myself to practice yesterday and was making stupid mistakes like turning my windage the wrong way. my head was just not all there. this morning i was really feeling like shit but i still drove out to the match.

i pulled targets on the first relay (half the shooters shoot and half pull targets, after the first relay is done, they switch) then started to shoot on the second relay. i shot my hostage on my cold bore shot at 200 yards putting me -20 points right off the get go. i made up some points on my off hand shooting during the next string. at 300 yards i think i got 2 out of 3 hits on a 3" dot. next was a transition stage. 2 rounds standing, 2 rounds kneeling and 2 rounds sitting all in 60 seconds time. this also has to include a mag change or reload. i got off 2 shots standing and was cycling my bolt as i was transitioning to kneeling and ripped my bolt handle off the bolt.

i am going to call the bolt manufacture tomorrow to see if they will fix it. i know they have a third party attach the handle. the solder job looks decent since the solder is on both pieces and did not peel off of just one. there are other options also. some people tig weld them on but i am not confident in my own tig welding ability on heat treated material. others silver solder them on but also add a bolt through the handle into the bolt body. i'll talk to the bolt manufacture tomorrow and decide where to go from there.


i hope this is not how the rest of the year is going to go:shaking:

Tig weld that sum bitch...

That sucks. I would definitely talk to the manufacturer and get them to fix it right or replace it. Looks like a shitty design to me.

I would not try to weld it back on for fear of warping the bolt.

That sucks. I would definitely talk to the manufacturer and get them to fix it right or replace it. Looks like a shitty design to me.

I would not try to weld it back on for fear of warping the bolt.

the design is identical to remington's. probably 99%+ of the remingtons never failed.

the back of the bolt body is threaded 1/2-13 directly under where the handle is. if i decided to tig it, i would make or buy a copper bolt and thread it into the bolt body to sink the heat. i would also wrap the rest of the bolt body with a wet rag. the major problem i see is there is no way to weld under the back side of the handle.

i will tig weld it on for you. i am doing the bolt handle on my nagant in the next 2 weeks.

the design is identical to remington's. probably 99%+ of the remingtons never failed.

the back of the bolt body is threaded 1/2-13 directly under where the handle is. if i decided to tig it, i would make or buy a copper bolt and thread it into the bolt body to sink the heat. i would also wrap the rest of the bolt body with a wet rag. the major problem i see is there is no way to weld under the back side of the handle.

I would just send it back and have it repaired/replaced. Hopefully it wont happen again.

As far as tig welding it back on goes... I wouldnt worry so much about the affect of the heat on the whole bolt as that type/size of weld repair wont require a lot of amperage for a long period of time. I'd be more worried about the HAZ directly around the weld causing the bolt to warp slightly as the weld contracts. Is this the bolt out of the .284 rifle?

If you do weld it, I would suggest pre-heating both parts and then cooling the assy. as slowly as possible after the repair is made.

Have you thought about silver soldering it back on?

Bummer. I say solder again and pin it.

seems to me a Pirate Sniper would have just drilled, tapped and stuck a 9/16" bolt in there for a handle :D

I've heard of some Remingtons doing the same thing

the design is identical to remington's. probably 99%+ of the remingtons never failed.

the back of the bolt body is threaded 1/2-13 directly under where the handle is. if i decided to tig it, i would make or buy a copper bolt and thread it into the bolt body to sink the heat. i would also wrap the rest of the bolt body with a wet rag. the major problem i see is there is no way to weld under the back side of the handle.

Drill out part of the handle for some pot welds Drop the handle and bolt into your kitchen oven on 500* for about an hour. Tig it up and put it back in the oven for about 20 minutes drop the temp down slowly after that

out of curiosity who makes that part....as i will be in the market for a bolt gun in the next few months and i would like to order from a reputable company...GAP seems to be the company i'm gonna go with...

Next time buy a Savage:flipoff2: They have a bolt handle held on by a screw
http://www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100002199.jpg

out of curiosity who makes that part....as i will be in the market for a bolt gun in the next few months and i would like to order from a reputable company...GAP seems to be the company i'm gonna go with...

pacific tool a gauge makes the bolt. they are a very reputable company and ga precision uses their bolts also. i am sure ga precision attaches the handles themselves though.

i guess i am chopped liver, you didn't even bother to turn my offer down.:flipoff2:

Next time buy a Savage:flipoff2: They have a bolt handle held on by a screw
http://www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100002199.jpg

Where did you find that?

A few different people make them. I think that one is made by Stockade and it is sold by Brownells and Lock Stock and Barrel
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=21635&title=SAVAGE~%20TACTICAL%20BOLT%20HANDLE
http://www.lockstock.com/prodinfo.asp?number=STOBOLTRHB

Sharp Shooter Supply makes one that is a bit different. You can also cut off the end of yours, turn some threads onto it, and by a knob from a bunch of different places.

Installation:
Remove bolt screw
remove bolt handle
replace with new bolt handle
put screw back in and tighten

i guess i am chopped liver, you didn't even bother to turn my offer down.:flipoff2:

i had to go back and see what you were talking about. i missed it the first time around. you need a jig to get the timing just right on the 700 bolt handle. it is not something you can just clamp on close and have it work. if it gets tig welded, i'll do it myself. i don't have a jig but i do have the action in hand to set up the cam angle/timing correctly.

i called the bolt manufacture today and they gave me the number to the person they have attach the handles. they are closed on mondays but i have a voice mail into them for a call back.

my bolt and handle are on their way back to wyatt's outdoor custom rifles. they are the third party that attaches the handles for ptg. after talking to kevin at wyatt's, it sounds like he has done over 600 handle installs and maybe 10 have come back because of failure. most of them were obviously abused, like being hit with a 2x4 to open with a stuck case. i feel better now after talking to him. hopefully i'll be back shooting hostages in the next week or so:D

I'm guessing your handle is about 3/4" longer than a stock remington handle (if not more). Thats quite a bit of extra leverage on that solder joint.

Are you using a sako style extractor or factory remington?

I'm guessing your handle is about 3/4" longer than a stock remington handle (if not more). Thats quite a bit of extra leverage on that solder joint.

Are you using a sako style extractor or factory remington?



sako extractor.

i had to go back and see what you were talking about. i missed it the first time around. you need a jig to get the timing just right on the 700 bolt handle. it is not something you can just clamp on close and have it work. if it gets tig welded, i'll do it myself. i don't have a jig but i do have the action in hand to set up the cam angle/timing correctly.

i called the bolt manufacture today and they gave me the number to the person they have attach the handles. they are closed on mondays but i have a voice mail into them for a call back.

Thats my biggest problem right now. i have the bolt body and the handle, but i am not going to try bringing the rest of the rifle in to work on it. If i did you would problably see me on the news.:laughing: I am going to weld my handle on using stainless filler wire, i will post up pics soon.

This is the .284 you just built right?

yes

Send it to Numidian. He can weld it up perfect...

I think I would still do something else. I just don't trust the remington style bolt handle anymore.

I've seen two of them break loose in the last few years (both Remington's). One came loose when the bolt closed and he didn't catch it. Locked enough to fire but not lock up all the way. The action was ruined and scared the shit out of everyone.

A local gun smith is putting a screw or two in them.

i am going to call the bolt manufacture tomorrow to see if they will fix it. i know they have a third party attach the handle. the solder job looks decent since the solder is on both pieces and did not peel off of just one. there are other options also. some people tig weld them on but i am not confident in my own tig welding ability on heat treated material. others silver solder them on but also add a bolt through the handle into the bolt body. i'll talk to the bolt manufacture tomorrow and decide where to go from there.


i hope this is not how the rest of the year is going to go:shaking:

The pic of the failure are classic adhesive braze failure compliments of bad fluxing, too low a temp, improper mount of the parts in the soldering fixture (any or all of the mentioned oopses will cause it). In other words poor quality manufacture and definately a warranty repair item.

You might ask but Id bet that its a furnace braze not hand done to avoid nonuniform heating during the braze operation.

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ups just dropped off my fixed bolt. he even re-coated it which i wasn't expecting. i'm not sure if it's duracoat, moly resin or what though.

i'm stoked i can get out on the 1k range with it this weekend.




and oooooh, i took a picture of the rifle cocked and safety off:eek::flipoff2:

Its kylon :flipoff2:

definetly nice set up man

ups just dropped off my fixed bolt. he even re-coated it which i wasn't expecting. i'm not sure if it's duracoat, moly resin or what though.

i'm stoked i can get out on the 1k range with it this weekend.




and oooooh, i took a picture of the rifle cocked and safety off:eek::flipoff2:

In this day and age when customer service is left to foreigners most times, its nice to see an outfit that stands behind their product and willing to go a few beyond the minimum... :D

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In this day and age when customer service is left to foreigners most times its nice to see an outfit that stands behind their product and willing to go a few beyond what the minimum... :D

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i find the firearms industry has some of the best customer service i have ever dealt with.

well i started this year's long range tactical matches sick and ended them sick.

we had our final match of the year last weekend and it was a fun one. i was sick as can be and crashed and burned but still had a blast. it was 27* when i got to the range in the morning but warmed up to just over 40* by the time i shot. the winds were 20+ mph making it feel extremely cold.

i had some bad shots on high value targets like missing my cold bore shot. at a stage at 425 yards we had to fire 3 shots supported off a concrete barricade and then 3 more unsupported with a minute total shoot time. i had 6 rounds loaded in my mag and when the start time began, my bolt went over the top round and caused a jam. by the time i got it cleared, i was only able to get 3 out of the 6 rounds off. at 1000 yards, i had up to 12.5 moa of wind dialed in with the .284. we fired 3 rounds in a minute and then the targets were marked. it was funny looking down the line at the targets after 24 people each shot 3 rounds and there were only 3 hits total:laughing:

i didn't do so hot and finished 14th out of 48 people shooting. i still had fun and was able to maintain a 4th place overall finish for the year.

well i started this year's long range tactical matches sick and ended them sick.

we had our final match of the year last weekend and it was a fun one. i was sick as can be and crashed and burned but still had a blast. it was 27* when i got to the range in the morning but warmed up to just over 40* by the time i shot. the winds were 20+ mph making it feel extremely cold.

i had some bad shots on high value targets like missing my cold bore shot. at a stage at 425 yards we had to fire 3 shots supported off a concrete barricade and then 3 more unsupported with a minute total shoot time. i had 6 rounds loaded in my mag and when the start time began, my bolt went over the top round and caused a jam. by the time i got it cleared, i was only able to get 3 out of the 6 rounds off. at 1000 yards, i had up to 12.5 moa of wind dialed in with the .284. we fired 3 rounds in a minute and then the targets were marked. it was funny looking down the line at the targets after 24 people each shot 3 rounds and there were only 3 hits total:laughing:

i didn't do so hot and finished 14th out of 48 people shooting. i still had fun and was able to maintain a 4th place overall finish for the year.

Better to get out than not like my luck has been for the past few months... ;)

How much total windage adjustment do you have out of idle curiosity?

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How much total windage adjustment do you have out of idle curiosity?

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i think there is about 50 moa each direction. i was only 3/4 moa off of center when i zeroed the scope.

i think there is about 50 moa each direction. i was only 3/4 moa off of center when i zeroed the scope.

So you had to adjust about 25% of the total to correct for 20 mph. Fair bit of adjust I'd say. Well there is next year.. ;) :D

The Quigley BPCR match held in May here in MT is a handy way of find out how much adjust ya have as well. East MT is similar to WY, i.e. iffen the wind isn't blowing W-E then its definitely blowing N-S and sometimes if yer lucky it goes both at the same time...:laughing:

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I was wondering how you guys would fare over on that side of the range. I was on the pistol side (IDPA) and the wind/cold was affecting folks here also. Wind was strong enough to blow down some of the steel poppers, the wood targets were rocking like cradles and reloading with frozen fingers is tuff!

Think you guys finished around the same time we did (4ish).

It just needs more triangulation is all :flipoff2: glad it got fixed

I pictured you to be older and fatter. Dunno why

I pictured you to be older and fatter. Dunno why

that's my internet personality:D

I was wondering how you guys would fare over on that side of the range. I was on the pistol side (IDPA) and the wind/cold was affecting folks here also. Wind was strong enough to blow down some of the steel poppers, the wood targets were rocking like cradles and reloading with frozen fingers is tuff!

Think you guys finished around the same time we did (4ish).


i think we actually finished around 2:00-2:30. i took off right after the match since i was sick. the rest of the guys hung around for a bbq.