: Dana 44 high strength axles shafts?
Who else makes high strength rear shafts for a Dana 44 other then Dutchman. I want high quality/strong. I called Dutchman to order today and the guy told me that at best it would be almost 15 days before I would see them. That's no good. I’m trying to get together for the last Erocc. So any advice would be greatly appreciated
I pulled the bearings off the original axles and found big casting flaws on one of the axles under the bearing. I hate to put new bears on a junk axle and second I hate to put something in I know I'm going to break quick. Don't give me the "buy a 60 stuff" I'm running no larger then 36" tires:D I need to come up with a high strength replacement quick. Anyone have subjection?
FYI - This is a Scout rear 44
I tried Moser no dice
Originally posted by LAME
Try Moser yet?
Funny I was just editing the post to say I tried them.:D They don't offer anything for a rear scout 44 is what I was told
I think something fell off :D
Syko fab shackle reversal/out board:D
doctor_G 08-19-2002, 01:41 PM Warn or Drivetrain Direct?
Good luck with that thing.
bsumner 08-19-2002, 02:23 PM well, if dutchman is busy, you might want to try Randy's. when i was ordering my r/p the guy talked me into ordering my 9" shafts from them. through haggling with the sales guy to find out specs and alloy info he said "actually they are made for us by this little local company, you probably dont know of them, Dutchman..." so if the guy was right, Dutchman supplies Randy's. take it for what its worth.
I just got off the phone with Randy....no dice on chrome moly rears.....I also called DTW and Mike said no go.....Warn only makes fronts. As you can tell, I am also in the market for some hi-qual rear axles. I'm sure someone makes them at a reasonable rate(Curries does but they are 300 each side) and did anyone try Superior yet?
rkcrawl 08-19-2002, 03:53 PM Dam Syko, good luck. I want to see your beast at ERoCC. (Assuming I get mine back together :D ) I am waiting on the front pig to come back from TN.
JHarsany 08-19-2002, 03:58 PM Actually Warn does make chrome-moly rears.... you just have to buy a full float conversion to get them. A scout should be an "off the shelf" kit so lead times should be short.
moveaside 08-19-2002, 04:52 PM How about since your in such a hurry coining out a little for some junkyard spares? Can you find them where you live? Ya you want high-strength but its better than nothing in a pinch just my .02 BTW give them to me when your done and you get your high-strength ones:D
YJ4RoX 08-19-2002, 05:23 PM Syko, can you please post your results, when/if you find a solution. I will be in the market for alloys this winter for my scout D44 also.
Did you try posting on some of the scout BB's?
Good luck man!:beer:
bigdude 08-19-2002, 06:11 PM Originally posted by MOVEASIDE
How about since your in such a hurry coining out a little for some junkyard spares? Ya, you want high-strength but its better than nothing in a pinch just my .02
Not in a competition rig where breaking something can take you out of the running, basically wasting your entry fees.
rkcrawl 08-19-2002, 06:14 PM Originally posted by bigdude
Not in a competition rig where breaking something can take you out of the running, basically wasting your entry fees.
No shit! BTDT! :eek:
moveaside 08-19-2002, 07:30 PM Originally posted by bigdude
Not in a competition rig where breaking something can take you out of the running, basically wasting your entry fees. OOPS just reread the post and this time saw EROCC. Good point my bad.:goofball:
Looks like I'm going to order the Dutchman's and for now, try to find a few junkyard spares. Thanks for your help guys
BlueJeep 08-20-2002, 07:05 AM Moser DOES make them, a friend of mine just got his delivered yesterday. Rear dana 44 shafts to replace a Warn FF kit. $295 plus bearings, and here in 3 days.
Originally posted by BlueJeep
Moser DOES make them, a friend of mine just got his delivered yesterday. Rear dana 44 shafts to replace a Warn FF kit. $295 plus bearings, and here in 3 days.
I just called again. Your right. The kicker is I have to ship them an old axle. He said he could make it in 2 days after receiving the old axle. It would be $295 with no bearings and no studs.
They were the second company I called. Why the fawk did the first guy tell me they didn't offer anything?:confused:
Thanks
Jakesteramalamajama 08-20-2002, 08:04 AM I'm gonna be in the market for some of these soon...
So do the Moser kits just replace the shafts in a Warn FF kit with 1-piece shafts? :confused:
Jake
The moser axle is a 1 piece axle, like stock
badassjeepguy 08-20-2002, 08:29 AM Originally posted by syko
The moser axle is a 1 piece axle, like stock
i have heard and seen some issues with moser....... i would go with dutchman
tiessen 08-20-2002, 09:21 AM I just ordered a rear Dutchman shaft to replace a 31 spline shaft I broke in my 8.8. They turned it around and shipped it in 2 days. GREAT SERVICE! $120!
Cheers
Dale
Hypoid Drive 08-20-2002, 09:29 AM There are no direct replacement semi float dana 44 rear shafts the are cro-moly or 300m you will have to have a set made by companies such as mark williams or sandy cone . The warn ff rear is the only cro mo shafts that are sold , the dutchmans , currie , moser etc are nothing but blank dana spicer shafts cut and reslined to your length. These type shafts are only marginally if at all stronger than the stock ones:flipoff2:
herzog 08-20-2002, 10:00 AM I've done the send in routine with Moser. They had them done quick and sent back within reasonable time for $400 even. (included bearings, seals, etc) and shipping of both sets of shafts to me in utah.
They were easy to work with.
Originally posted by TechGuru
There are no direct replacement semi float dana 44 rear shafts the are cro-moly or 300m you will have to have a set made by companies such as mark williams or sandy cone . The warn ff rear is the only cro mo shafts that are sold , the dutchmans , currie , moser etc are nothing but blank dana spicer shafts cut and reslined to your length. These type shafts are only marginally if at all stronger than the stock ones:flipoff2:
Are you sure you don't want to rethink that statement? Where did you derive this knowledge?
From the dutchman website
http://www.dutchmanms.com/4_axles.html
Most stock (OEM) axles are made from 1039 material and are induction (case) hardened, have a .150 case depth, and a hardness of 52-54 Rockwell "C" scale. We use (1) piece forgings made from 1541-H material, a case depth of .300-.350, and a hardness of 57-60 Rc. The result of these upgrades yields a "Stronger than Stock" street and strip alloy axle.
Keith 08-20-2002, 10:49 AM Originally posted by bigdude
Not in a competition rig where breaking something can take you out of the running, basically wasting your entry fees.
you mean like a 44?
Originally posted by Keith
you mean like a 44?
Hmm, that was a really insightful reply, thanks:flipoff2:
BlueJeep 08-20-2002, 12:53 PM Go to Moser's website, they have a chart you can go by to get your measurements and shouldn't have to send your axles in to them.
GOAT1 08-20-2002, 04:43 PM I don't know WTF Techguru was talking about, but here is the skinny on aftermarket rear axles. Basically Currie, Moser, Dutchman, and Strange Street axles are pretty much same axle. They are made of 1541H and induction hardened, the above companies buy axle blanks from two suppliers, and just cut off to length, cut the splines hard, and machine the brake hat, bearing dia and drill the right bolt pattern. These axle are significantly stronger than stock,but not the best that are made. If you want true custom made chome moly axles that have the proper neck-down and are thru hardened, only summers bros., mark williams and strange make them ( strange are actually made of hy-tuff), and cone doesn't make flanged axles. Any of these axles take at least a week to make because they have to completey machine the axle from a forged blank and heat treat it.
Thank you very much Goat1 thats the info I was looking for.
I owe you some :beer: :beer: 's
rkcrawl 08-20-2002, 07:07 PM So bottom line: Is your beast gonna make it to ERoCC?
Ditto here GOAT1...thanks.....and syko, let me know what you ended up doing....if you get the chromes I would be curious to the price and time frame. I may go the same route. Thanks ZUK
GOAT1 08-21-2002, 07:12 AM Chromos are usually $500-$600 and take at least a week and the other ones are $300-375 and take 3 days.
Originally posted by GOAT1
I don't know WTF Techguru was talking about, but here is the skinny on aftermarket rear axles. Basically Currie, Moser, Dutchman, and Strange Street axles are pretty much same axle. They are made of 1541H and induction hardened, the above companies buy axle blanks from two suppliers, and just cut off to length, cut the splines hard, and machine the brake hat, bearing dia and drill the right bolt pattern. These axle are significantly stronger than stock,but not the best that are made. If you want true custom made chome moly axles that have the proper neck-down and are thru hardened, only summers bros., mark williams and strange make them ( strange are actually made of hy-tuff), and cone doesn't make flanged axles. Any of these axles take at least a week to make because they have to completey machine the axle from a forged blank and heat treat it.
I just talked to a sales rep at Strange Engineer. He said they don't offer a custom "Hy-tuff" moly axle for the Dana 44 only the dana 60. He also said if I planned to us this axle for 4wheeling that it would not be the right choice. According to him, with this axle being so hard it would not be able to flex like a case harden axle would. Thus, causing the axle to break. He said my best bet would be stay with the case hardened axle like Dutchman or Moser.:eek: This is coming from a sales rep at Strangle Eng.
I also called Pulley Engineering (a Strange dealer) they told me the same thing
I'm going to call sumner Brothers and talk to them.
badassjeepguy 08-22-2002, 09:06 AM strange is pretty respectful if they told you to go to another company..... dont see that all to often...
you gonna be ready for erocc
BUY DAMN I HAVE FOUND THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SUMMER BROTHERS IS WHAT YOU WANT.
They can make a 1.5" 35 spline Dana 44 axle. It is 270,000psi tensel. They offer a spool to match. The 35 spline custom through hardened axles are about 45% stronger then the 30 spline custom through hardened axles. The guy is faxing me a spec sheet for these axles as I type. Now to the bad part, the $$$
axles 30 or 35 are $598
The spool is $338
I'll post the spec sheet when I get it. You can build a beefy rear 44 :D
:flipoff2: to the 60's
Also the guy at Summers said this is the axle you want for 4wheeling. I specifically asked about the axle being to hard and not be allowed to twist and he said this was not a problem.
Now the question is has anyone run these bad boys, I guessing not.
badassjeepguy 08-22-2002, 09:23 AM nice, i think youd break a r&p before them bad boys....
Originally posted by badassjeepguy
strange is pretty respectful if they told you to go to another company..... dont see that all to often...
you gonna be ready for erocc
PM'ed ya
bigdude 08-22-2002, 12:21 PM A birdie told me you might not have to worry about having your rig done for ERoCC. Something about a sponsor rig and some donated boggers :D
Oxjockey 08-22-2002, 12:27 PM Do you have a number or website for Summers or did I miss it? Are they in Canada?
Thanks,
Bryan
Originally posted by Oxjockey
Do you have a number or website for Summers or did I miss it? Are they in Canada?
Thanks,
Bryan
Summers
CAL
909-986-2041
I haven't found a web site
Originally posted by bigdude
A birdie told me you might not have to worry about having your rig done for ERoCC. Something about a sponsor rig and some donated boggers :D
You gotta love those sponsors.;) :beer:
Looks like it's offical, I'll be there just in a different rig:D
GOAT1 08-22-2002, 03:18 PM Yeah, summers bros has been making 35 spline dana 44 spools for a while now, and they have been making those axles for desert racers for years. I dont think you will have any problems with the thru hardened 4340 axle, desert racers have been using those for years. I think what Strange told you was BS, they probably just didn't want to mess with you so they told you to look somewhere else. A thru hardened 4340 axle is better than an induction hardened 1541 axle any day. Who are the ones telling you to use an IH 1541 axle over a thru hardened 4340 axle? the ones selling IH 1541 axles.
Oxjockey 08-22-2002, 06:06 PM Originally posted by GOAT1
Yeah, summers bros has been making 35 spline dana 44 spools for a while now
This is (good) news to me! Now, where can I get 35 spline front axles with the 297x joint made up? :D Too bad the outers are still small.
Bryan
4x4man 08-22-2002, 06:11 PM moser is the way to go ,,i have a set of d44 shafts in the front of my Z71. they have held up good with the 39.5 boggs
Originally posted by 4x4man
moser is the way to go ,,i have a set of d44 shafts in the front of my Z71. they have held up good with the 39.5 boggs
I think I'll still buy warn front shafts. I think they are proven to be strong.
Note: we were talking about a rear 44 ;) Thanks anyway
well Syko....i decided on the Dutchmans....basically gave them the measurements over the phone and had them at my doorstep in 2 weeks. They even fit! They look good....and ride much better than the bent up original junk yard ones....I understand the concept of thru hardened vs surface....thru hardening a 35 spline chrome moly shaft? I am looking forward to them being tested.
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