I want to run hummer wheels with 44/19.5/16.5 boggers on a king pin dana 60 (single wheel) front/14 bolt rear. The questions I have are:
1)Hummer wheels are 9.75" wide... Will a 19.5" wide tire work or do I need to have the wheel widened.
2)The hummer wheel has very little backspacing.... Is wheel spacers or having the wheel modified my only choices. I appreciate anyone's help. Thanks...

I dont know why you would want hummer rims. The only advantage to them is the metal donut in them which lets them run at 0psi with out damaging the rim. That will not help you any with 44s you will prolly still break the bead and if you dont you spin the rims in the tires till they catch on fire. Shit I didnt even know the hummers came with 16.5s. If I were you I would get a good pair of beadlocks. Thats my take on it but I could be way off.

You need to run 3.5" spacers or dually hubs on the front. You CAN make steering components to bolt to the top kingpins on both knuckles that will actually set your tie rod/draglink in further so the wheels don't rub... I beleive FORD makes a spacer for their one-ton 4x4 pickups that will slide over the locking hubs on a dana 50 and space the dually wheel out enough so that they don't have to make two different sets of hubs... I know Chevy and Dodge do too... But nobody else has locking hubs in a one ton. And another thing too, you can't get the spacers of the newer super duty style 1-tons. It's a different bolt pattern, so you have to shop pre-body change... And at that, I'm not entirely sure if it'll fit over the hubs without some machine work...

All of that would be your best alternative however. Or, you can have some spacers made up like the ones that tim used at www.gohumvee.com for his hummer wheels.

There's no benefit to running them with 44" boggers either, unless you widen the snot out of them or decided on running beadlocks... A swamper that's on a 9.75" wheel vs 12 or higher will be taller, and more prone to rolling under the wheel in a tight turn under lower pressures, subsequently cutting the sidewall. I run 15x16's on my truck and I'm satisfied with the width, but would never go below a 12" wide wheel.

I'm running 39.5 boggers on hummer rims. I have pics if you'd like to see them. I also have 39.5 swampers on hummer rims.

I switched to dual wheel hubs in the front and a 4" spacer in the rear. I learned the hard way that Ford dual wheel hubs have a larger pilot diameter than the Chevy or Dodge and will need to be machined slightly to fit the hummer rims on.

I have a friend running 44 boggers on 10" wide Outlaw II's. Works fine.

I have run Dick Cepek 44x18.5's and TSL 44x18.5's on Hummer rims (which are actually 8.75" wide).

I like it a lot. Having dual beadlocks and able to run at _any_ pressure I choose is a _big_ advantage! But to run the Boggers, I would defintely widen the rim like Tim has done. In fact, it's not a bad idea to do anyway. I haven't noticed undo rolling of the tire, but it does wrinkle sooner than it needs to, which I think does affect your traction a bit.

I've _never_ spun a tire on a Hummer rim. If you knew the force it takes to put one together, you would know that the odds of this happening is basically nil. I'd take it over a conventional beadlock any day.

--Rob

Originally posted by charlo
I dont know why you would want hummer rims. The only advantage to them is the metal donut in them which lets them run at 0psi with out damaging the rim. That will not help you any with 44s you will prolly still break the bead and if you dont you spin the rims in the tires till they catch on fire. Shit I didnt even know the hummers came with 16.5s. If I were you I would get a good pair of beadlocks. Thats my take on it but I could be way off.

yep, you're way off

Originally posted by Charly


yep, you're way off

^^^ What? :confused: ^^^

To run a 19.5" tire on a 8.25" wide hummer wheel is retarded. Sorry, but I would just go with a good beadlock also.

"The only advantage to them is the metal donut in them which lets them run at 0psi with out damaging the rim."

This is not correct, the run flat is also a beadlock, a double beadlock, for that matter. There is no issue with the beadlock design, in fact it's a good design.

But I do agree, the hummer wheels (which are 8.25") are too narrow.

Well the verdict is in...
Thanks everyone for your info. I am probable going to go with "regular" beadlock setup. There are two main reasons I heard for doing the Hummer rims. They hold the bead even at zero PSI. And they are the only bead lock set up that is DOT approved. They were going to cost me over $300 a piece after buying the wheel, beadlock, having them widened and changing the back spacing. Thank you for your prompt responses.
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Originally posted by charlo
That will not help you any with 44s you will prolly still break the bead and if you dont you spin the rims in the tires till they catch on fire. Shit I didnt even know the hummers came with 16.5s. Thats my take on it but I could be way off.

Yup, you're waay, waaay off.

You won't break a bead, and spinning the rims on the tires till they catch fire? Yah right.

Here's some facts: Hummer rims are 8.25 inches wide, and have 7.5" of backspacing.

What you want is the civilian Rubber donut beadlock, not the integrated runflat/beadlock (rubber - civilian) either two piece or one piece, or the magnesium runflat/beadlock (military)

Widening will cost your likely less than $150.00 per rim. If you go to 12", you need to use 1 and 1/2 beadlocks (get a standard one and have it cut down to 4"), then stack the beadlocks inside when you assemble the rim and tire.

If you go 16" wide, you can then stack two beadlocks internally.

this is a pic of a stock Hummer rim with a stock rubber civilian beadlock:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/tech/hummerwheeltech/stockwbeadlock.JPG

This is a pic of a custom 16.5 x 16 Hummer rim with two stacked rubber civilian beadlocks:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/misc/widewheel/wheel6.jpg

A pic of the spacers for the rear to overcome the 7.5" of backspacing and space them the same as a dually front wheel hub:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/Tech/hummerwheeltech/DSCN0058.JPG

A pic of the truck showing the offset of the wheels using the above spacers. Outside tire to outside tire measurement is 94":

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/Tech/hummerwheeltech/back.JPG

A couple more:

A pic of the truck with stock wheel hubs (no spacers). Outside tire to outside tire measurement is 86":

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/landcruiser/3link/p3m.jpg

A pic of the finished wheel and tire combo (16.5 x 16):

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/Tech/hummerwheeltech/DSCN0045.JPG

Clearence on the inside using Dually Dana 60 wheel hubs and 1 ton dually brakes:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/Tech/hummerwheeltech/DSCN0044.JPG

Hey Wolf did you just throw the tires on for the pic, or is there a reason that you have the boggers going the wrong direction? The 16" rim looks great, good work.

They were just thrown on for the pic.

I run the 16.5 x 12's in the front because they steer better. I run 16.5 x 16 in the rear.

Tim.

Wolf 359, you're set up kicks. I was wondering exactly how the rubber inserts are the beadlock though. I would like to run the hummer wheels, but the fear of the unknown prevents me.

Originally posted by SJ410Bark
Wolf 359, you're set up kicks. I was wondering exactly how the rubber inserts are the beadlock though.

The Hummer beadlock is an internal design. Look at the first pic I posted of the stock Hummer rim with rubber beadlock. Now remember that the Hummer rim (12 bolt Radial for Civilian and 8 bolt Bias for Military) is a two piece design.

You lay the bottom half of the rim on the ground, then the tire, then the rubber beadlock which butts up against the bead of the tire and presses it against the outer lip on the rim. Then you put the outer half of the rim on and bolt the two halves together thereby squishing the tire between the rim and the beadlock donut on either side.

Make sense?

Tim.

Originally posted by WOLF359


Make sense?

Tim.

I see, so instead of a steel ring pinching it, the rubber insert presses it against the rim. Thanks. :)

you got it smartiepie :D

i shouldnt talk cuz i didnt get it at first either!!

Hey Wolf (Tim), How hard are the rubber inserts to come by? And how much can one expect to pay for them. Do you still have a surplus of the rims right now? I know they aren't as hard to come by its just the inserts that I've heard can be hard to find, and now you got me thinking hard about building some 12" wide hummer rims.

They weren't hard to come by a year or so ago, but since everyone started using them, they are getting more difficult to find.

Believe it or not, my local Hummer dealer basically GAVE them to me for nothing when I bought a bunch of Hummer rims off them.

The problem with widening or running 16" wide wheels is you need 2 beadlocks per tire to make it work.

I would recommend checking with local Hummer dealers.

You are looking for Hummer Civilian Two Piece Wheel rubber beadlock.

Note: A widened Hummer wheel is HEAVY. On 44's, my 16.5 x 16 tire/wheel combo weighs 230 lbs, and the 16.5 x 12 weighs about 200 lbs.

Tim.

I was just reading my first statement on the thread and noticed all my incorrect statements. Someone pointed out for me that they are 8.75" wide and not 9.75" wide. The other is that they do have a lot of backspacing not "too little". That is why they need spacers.
It was my first thread so I must have been nervous. What I have noticed in the magazines recently is that a lot of people are running 44's on the 8.75" wide rim and that they are all using spacers or unusual axles.

Originally posted by chevylad
I was just reading my first statement on the thread and noticed all my incorrect statements. Someone pointed out for me that they are 8.75" wide and not 9.75" wide.

Um....:rolleyes: ......they are 8.25" wide.

Does anyone use the runflat centers (offroad) on their hummer wheels? Can you use them with the beadlocks?
http://www.redhummer.com/myhummer/tools/runflats/Mvc-186f.jpg
http://www.worldwidearmor.com/images/runflat_th.gif

That's a runflat for a 1 piece civilian wheel, not the two piece wheel

They do nothing to lock the bead.

(and they are a huge bitch to install!)

Tim.

mossy jigga run his 44x16.5x19.5 bogger on stock hummer beadlocks and he also runs the run flats and has had no problems with them at all. Putting them on was also easy with runflats and all. If you have any questions shoot him a PM on them.

Originally posted by WOLF359
That's a runflat for a 1 piece civilian wheel, not the two piece wheel

They do nothing to lock the bead.

Originally posted by Shaw
Can you use them with the beadlocks?

This is what I asked?

Originally posted by Red Chevy Girl
mossy jigga run his 44x16.5x19.5 bogger on stock hummer beadlocks and he also runs the run flats and has had no problems with them at all. Putting them on was also easy with runflats and all. If you have any questions shoot him a PM on them.
I find it hard to understand you.

"He also runs the run flats"? Stock or custom for the bigger tires?

"Putting them on was also easy with runflats and all." Easy?

You can run those runflats with the One piece beadlock, which looks like this:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/misc/hummerwheels/beadlock2a.jpg

Both of these are for the one piece wheel.

AM General used this wheel/beadlock/runflat combo from about 1997-1999 when they switched to the 1 piece wheel. The beadlock ONLY locks the outer bead.

One piece beadlocks and runflats are a bitch to use because you have to squeeze them in to the tire once the tire is laying on the rim. You actually need a special tool (a run flat compressor, or a strap of some kind) to do it, and then a lot of assembly type lube.

The rubber integrated funflat/beadlock for the two piece wheel looks like this:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/misc/hummerwheels/mid/IMG_0001.JPG

Just to be confusing, there was also a rubber TWO piece funflat/beadlock for the Two piece wheel, which was used in 1992-1993 or 94 which looks like this:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/misc/hummerwheels/mid/IMG_0003.JPG

You'll notice that the only difference is that it's thinner and uses a spacer band, which is the rubber piece sitting on the top left set of wheels in this picture (the piece that says "Radial" on it. That's the spacer band:

http://www.gohumvee.com/images/misc/hummerwheels/mid/IMG_0002.JPG

Beside it on the top right is the rubber beadlock for the two piece wheel.

All the inserts for two piece wheels (beadlock, integrated beadlock/runflat both one and two piece) are all quite easy to assemble, because you can take the two halves apart. The inserts for the one piece wheels can be a bitch to assemble and disassemble.

Clear as mud?

Tim.

Originally posted by Shaw


He also runs the run flats"? Stock or custom for the bigger tires?

"Putting them on was also easy with runflats and all." Easy?
He runs the run flats, The wheels are stock we didn't modifiy them at all to put them on. The assembly was very simple to put together.

Great info Wolf! Thanks! :D