: Home made z box
wkndboy 08-19-2002, 11:51 PM Well I made one last night and now that I'm looking at it I'm wondering what side to put it on. My initial thought was the drivers side rear but for some reason I'm second guessing myself. It looks like it should tilt in towards the center of the jeep as the axle drops then open up into the center. Anyway does anyone know what side I should put this one on. the other one I am gonna make will obviously open up in the oposite direction. If your wondering why I made these, well I made a set of revolvers a few years back and they work well except for the spring binding but i have a feeling that these will stop that.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p9051d588b8c4470d79a1a14925d8f1f0/fd60f842.jpg
1tonyj 08-20-2002, 05:10 AM In my opinion it should go on the rear drivers side. As the spring is pulled away from the frame it will have a tendency to rotate slightly in the opposite direction (toward the passenger side).
4Bangler 08-20-2002, 07:11 AM Very nice, got more pics? I'm interested in running them in the front when I go 1/4 ellip in the rear
wkndboy 08-20-2002, 08:23 PM I think that's what I'm gonna do. Run them so that they extend towrds the center of the Jeep. I just finished making hte second one today and hope to have them in before sunday so I can try them out for my next wheeling trip. 4bangler I'll post some pics when they're in. Here's a shot of them apart and painted.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p090d60fad01d475a20bd6a9a040d0f84/fd5ff675.jpg
wkndboy 08-22-2002, 08:08 PM I got them in today. They work great. The real test is gonna be this sunday though. Here's a couple of pics.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p54a4239b1326a56e85872b0b290ff0b8/fd5dddd6.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p2ec3ebedf104f6726b2857b464063aac/fd5ddd63.jpg
The only thing i might do in the future is get the rear leaf pack reworked a bit. I wanna remove the main leaf and replace it with a much weaker leaf and a second supporting leaf to prevent sagging. But for this season I think I have enough done to it.
B.A.R.K 08-22-2002, 08:48 PM how much lift did you net with these, never seen them on a rig before, by the looks of it they seem to not have the same negative quirks as your standard revolver and in that case they might actually be useful on the trail and not just a ramp, but hey im no genius.....yet
wkndboy 08-22-2002, 08:56 PM I dindt get any lift out of them, i set them up that way but you could easily make them so that they sit a bit lower. Peolple using longer shackles could even things out on the perch side by doing that. I run a set of revolvers up front and a home made set in the rear and i havent noticed any quirks yet. Just good flex. In any case they take a lot of stress away from the leaf pack during flex, the thing almost sits flat.
Jacob 08-22-2002, 09:39 PM what are those for?
wkndboy 08-22-2002, 09:59 PM They replace the spring perch. they open up and twist as the suspension goes thorugh its cycle.
ashmanjeepXJ 08-23-2002, 08:23 AM Originally posted by wkndboy
They replace the spring perch. they open up and twist as the suspension goes thorugh its cycle.
The non-shackled spring perch side.
JeepinIan 08-23-2002, 08:39 AM Originally posted by wkndboy
Well I made one last night and now that I'm looking at it I'm wondering what side to put it on. My initial thought was the drivers side rear but for some reason I'm second guessing myself. It looks like it should tilt in towards the center of the jeep as the axle drops then open up into the center. Anyway does anyone know what side I should put this one on. the other one I am gonna make will obviously open up in the oposite direction. If your wondering why I made these, well I made a set of revolvers a few years back and they work well except for the spring binding but i have a feeling that these will stop that.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p9051d588b8c4470d79a1a14925d8f1f0/fd60f842.jpg
Think about how the spring twists as the axle drops. Wouldn't this be better on the passenger side? As the right side tire drops, the spring will want to twist at the mount the same way that the "Z" box is opened in this picture.
I'm with JeepinIan, it looks like that one would be omunted on the driver's side front or passenger side rear. The spring eyes will point away from the center of the Jeep when the axle is drooping.
ashmanjeepXJ 08-23-2002, 09:13 AM It will definetly work on either side but If mounted on the Passenger rear it looks like you could get up to a 1in more drop.
It might be easy to make a bolt on lock to prevent it form opening up in un-desired situations.
I like it, its now on my project list....
Jacob 08-23-2002, 11:12 AM wouldnt the other perch get a nasty tweakin' when it flexed?
obviously not but, how does it work?
i have the setup pictured in my head but i cant quite figure it out
does one side just drop lower than the other?
wkndboy 08-23-2002, 03:46 PM Now you guys add your 2 cents after they're already welded in! The way i fugure it is like this, when the axle "flexes" the spring moves in towards the center of the jeep if i were to mount the this unit on the pass side it would want to pull the spring outwards and cause it to bind. In any case they are in now and they do work. The main leaf on my trailmaster springs is so stiff that it still binds to a certain extent but these things have made a HUGE improvment. As for the compressed side it also pivots and you get better stuffing of the tire and because the revolver twists the spring stays flat. Anyone ge their hands on the install instructions from teraflex or metal made right? I really hope i dont have to cut these things out and re-weld!
wkndboy 08-23-2002, 04:17 PM You can sorta see it opening in this pic.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p3bed5a19eaf883e0ce68e195e48ebc05/fd5d00c0.jpg
I'm at a bit of a loss cause im coming up with arguments to mount it both ways. F@ck!
Man can you get a better picture (closer) of it opened on the vehicle?
ItsaCJ6 08-24-2002, 08:43 AM Originally posted by wkndboy
Well I made one last night and now that I'm looking at it I'm wondering what side to put it on. My initial thought was the drivers side rear but for some reason I'm second guessing myself. It looks like it should tilt in towards the center of the jeep as the axle drops then open up into the center. Anyway does anyone know what side I should put this one on. the other one I am gonna make will obviously open up in the oposite direction. If your wondering why I made these, well I made a set of revolvers a few years back and they work well except for the spring binding but i have a feeling that these will stop that.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p9051d588b8c4470d79a1a14925d8f1f0/fd60f842.jpg
This should definatly go on the front eye of the drivers side rear spring. If it were on the passanger side it would open up and possibly snap over and be stuck.. Now with that said you need to also add to these a way to prevent it from opening all the way up under full droop. ( say air borne in your mind) because rapid compression could be bad...
I like the Idea, However I think Double Jonny Joints would be a better solution and safer.
TJpwr 08-25-2002, 04:54 PM Tera or whoever makes Revolvers has already done it. I guess they don't sell them though. I took this pic at the ARCA event in JV a year ago. Looks like they would mount yours on the passenger side rear or driver front with non-reverse shackle. Guess you might be cutting and grinding soon.
Hope this helps...
Phil:usa:
Grendel 08-25-2002, 10:52 PM Curt at Metal Made Right runs them on all four corners of his springs, at the orginal ends. I have some picks of his YJ at the last Teraflex Dealer invitational around here somewhere...
So make two more!
wkndboy 08-26-2002, 12:13 PM Ah shit! Looks like I put them on the wrong way! The z boxes pictured above are bolted on... interesting. In any case I am not gonna be in any rush to cut these things out and re-weld- they work as is so next season that will be the first on my to do list. I am axle under up front with revolvers and it flexes good for my purposes, i think adding these to an axle under with revolvers would be to much.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid25/pff23346f02ea3bc7bfdbae82379d4d88/fd8ea51a.jpg
I had a chance to wheel with them this weekend and they do work however there are some issues. The jeep is a little less stable now on off camber stuff but not much. The one big issue i had was with the main leaf on the spring pack. I WAS running with the clamps open but i had to hammer them closed on the trail after the main leaf bent when i was coming down a steep hill in reverse and caught a rut. The leaf bent back almost to the point of breaking and the axle shifted forward a good foot on the bent leaf side. I know that there are pics of this, i'll post as soon as i get them.
|