Well unless someone here has a better Idea I think my only option is to buy the Bee Cool aluminum cross flow radiator. THe gaurantee it to keep up to a 650 HP engine cool. :rolleyes: Hopefully this will work for me. The only bad thing is it costs 495 bucks from Summit racing. It also bolts right in. :eek: So should I get it. :confused:

Screw that! Look in the same Summit Catalog at the Griffin Aluminium radiators, go measure your grill and pick one with the right outlets. I think you'll be looking at a 22x19 Chevy or something close to that, I can't remember, but they are about $180, got get a 4.0L fan shroud and a good factory mechanical fan, not a bling bling billet flex fan. Have someone TIG weld some aluminium scraps to the tanks for mounting and bolt it up. If room is too limited for a mechanical fan, you put your motor in the wrong spot, but if you insist on running an electric fan, don't buy any of the bling bling aftermarket fans, a junkyard fan off a Pontiac 6000 or any front wheel drive car will work better than any aftermarket, mine will suck a shop rag off my winch mount and plaster ti to my radiator.

How many cores are the Griffin Radiators?

Have you been brainwashed by JU or something? :rolleyes:

Yeah. What he said. Just get the biggest Griffin you can fit in there. Hell, as long as you have a shroud, you could probably get away with a large-engine driven fan. I've got a 26X19 crossflow Griffin and a 19-inch Flex-a-lite with a shroud cooling my Ramjet 350 and it cools like a cucumber. Hell, pull the thermostat and it'll never get above 110.

HTH,
Jake

Originally posted by Doc Johnson
How many cores are the Griffin Radiators?

2-core. Same as a Be Cool. A 2-core aluminum radiator will out-cool any 3- and most 4-core brass radiators. This is because the tubes can be made larger and thinner (because aluminum is stronger) and they transfer more heat as a result.

HTH,
Jake

Most good aluminium radiators use two one inch cores, two one inch aluminium cores will out cool the same surface area four core copper/brass radiator hands down.

Griffins are definitely good, but I say for the $20 extra bucks get the Howe from Summit. Side by side, the Howe's appear to be made/welded better, and the Griffin's have the epoxied fins issue.

I fit a 24 x 19 in there to cool my Chevy 355, in a YJ.

Originally posted by Charly
Griffins are definitely good, but I say for the $20 extra bucks get the Howe from Summit. Side by side, the Howe's appear to be made/welded better, and the Griffin's have the epoxied fins issue.

I fit a 24 x 19 in there to cool my Chevy 355, in a YJ.

How much was is if you can remeber and how did you get it to fit. You know brackets and things. And Yes at JU if you mention the questions I have been asking I get no replies because they no nothing. I have yet to see a post here about how to change your oil?

not to be an ass, but 4Bangler mentioned the Griffins are $180 in Summit, and I said $20 more, so I'm going with about $200...:flipoff2:

AND...

you could always go to Summit's site or pick up a catalog and see.

But yeah, it was $200, maybe $209. I did just what 4Bangler suggested and had someone TIG some flat aluminum on the tanks and drilled holes in it to mount on the YJ grill, I think I used all but one stock mounting hole on the YJ grill (IIRC). The one concern as far as placement is the steering shaft knuckle. My radiator just clears that knuckle. I couldn't really go any higher due to hood clearance.

I have no idea what HP I am running (355TBI with flat top hypers and the 206/212 425/440 Comp cam, ram's horns, stock breather-snorkel- , stock chip), but it does well cooling this engine. gauge sits at 200* F all the time, except when I am powering up long hills at speed, in high heat and humidity, then it climbs to 210*.

I have a professional auto technician (I don't call him a 'mechanic' and he doesn't call me an 'ambulance driver'...lol) as a good friend, he runs a Griffin in front of his 302 (w/ Chevy TBI) in his EB and after seeing my Howe, he will get one of those next, if the Griffin ever shits the bed.

Yes, the Howe's are nice, and I would probably get one of those if I had it to do over again, for some reason Griffin always angle's the lower hose fitting making most applications a PITA to get the hoses right, but it's still a nice radiator, and way better than a bling bling Be Cool

I am using a stock mechanical fan with no shroud currently ( still need to make one, may modify my 4banger one) BTW

oh yeah, good thought, I used a EB (w/ a V8) lower radiator hose for my lower hose with the 355 and Howe, fit perfectly.

That and the rear DS (also from an EB) are my only two Ford parts.
The 4500's mainshaft is from a Dodge, I put that in the early GM 4500. Everything else is Chevy or Jeep.

I ordered one of Summits GM radiators, similar to the Howe and Griffin design. I think I paid $169 for it. I have it just about installed, but have along way to go before it's running, so I can't comment on how it performs. I do know a bunch of guys who are running them in their rigs (which is why I purchased one) and don't have any complaints. Of course, we are located in Up-State NY and don't see triple digit heat. The humidity however does reach 100% occasionaly.

Chris

Griffin or Howe... whatever. Just don't waste your money on a Be Cool and a $40 Be Cool bling bling billet radiator cap for christ's sake.

As far as mounting goes, have some flat aluminum plates TIG welded onto the front on either side and just cut away whatever you don't need with an angle grinder. I'd go with the 24 x 19 if I had it to do all over again. The 26 X 19 was an utter bitch to fit and probably not really worth all the extra effort. (I spent 2 nights grinding off sheetmetal from the back side of my grill to get that bastard to fit.)

HTH,
Jake

I got a 3 core that bolts up to my factory 1995 YJ holes. The inlet and outlet were swapped to match the chevy and it is specifically for the YJ with a SBC.

I got it from Auto Radiator Outlet (1-800-252-0333) shipped to my door in 48 hours for $198.22 with life ttime warranty. Part #2825.

Does it keep it cool in the hot weather?

It has been in the low to mid 90's here and the Jeep rus down the road at about 180 to 190. I do not use a mechanical fan i am running a flex a lite black magic. I am also going to swap the thermostat to a 160 though. But as a whole it runs pretty cool

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Yes, the Howe's are nice, and I would probably get one of those if I had it to do over again, for some reason Griffin always angle's the lower hose fitting making most applications a PITA to get the hoses right, but it's still a nice radiator, and way better than a bling bling Be Cool


What have you been smoking?
Be Cool radiators are the best quality you could ever hope to buy, they are just outrageously expensive.

I hope they are good since I bought one last night. I have other things to worry about. I would rather pay the extra for a bolt in. I have so much other stuff to mess with right now it is worth it.

I didn't mean that the BeCool was low quality, just that the Griffin or Howe do and excellent job for less money, and if your swapping a V8 into a YJ, you'll be fabbing al kinds of little things, what's so hard about fabbing up a radiator mount, I like to make stuff and save money, but maybe I'm not in the majority

Originally posted by 4Bangler
I didn't mean that the BeCool was low quality, just that the Griffin or Howe do and excellent job for less money, and if your swapping a V8 into a YJ, you'll be fabbing al kinds of little things, what's so hard about fabbing up a radiator mount, I like to make stuff and save money, but maybe I'm not in the majority

Think about it like this. I work from 7:00 am to 4:30 or 5:00 pm. I first would have to find some scrap metal. I would have to find a welding shop to weld on the side posts. Then I would have to drive the radiator down there to get welded. After they finish a couple of days later I would then proceed to pick it up. Those are hassles I do not like. If I was set up to weld aluminum then That would be different. Instead I will have something that will work on my door step in two days.

I would rather pay the extra for a bolt in. I have so much other stuff to mess with right now it is worth it.

Doc, I don't know about you, but to me the extra $285 you spent on that radiator is waaaaay more of hassle than dropping the radiator off to get welded.

All you had to do before you orded was measure to see what radiator would fit. Then, drill the holes and bolt it up after you get the brackets.

I paid $180 for a Griffen universal, and it cost me $30 to have the "brackets" TIG welded. The brackets are just some pieces of aluminum scrap, like 4bangler said. The scrap was provided by the shop and included in the price.

Since you "have so much other stuff to mess with," you'll wish you had that money in you're pocket. Do yourself a favor and cancel your order.

Okay, I work from 6am to usually after 9pm during the week (okay, a lot of that time is spent on this board, but I'm still at work) and I work 250 miles away from my Jeep, so don't tell me that I have more time to mess around working on the Jeep than you do. I had a buddy weld the aluminum tabs that I pre-cut from some scraps I found in the garage, and his shop is 150 miles from my garage, but I was in town visiting and bought my radiator (I never visit anyone without running some kind of part here or there, and my weekend commute has turned into part running for all my friends) and he did it for free. Not everyone has access to sevices like that. Two of my other friends had a local Scientific welding service do the tabs on thier radiators, one was $30, one had the shop make some really nice brackets and weld them for $80. All of our stuff fits like we wanted it to, I'll bet that your "bolt-on" radiator will still need some tweaking, no two Jeeps are ever the same. Sure, any of us could have had less hassle and bucked up for the bling bling bolt on stuff, but then, we could all have some pro shop build our Jeeps for $30k and be done with it too, what fun is that? Sure an Avalanche Sniper would be fun, but I'd still want to fuck up building it myself rather than save the hassle and buy it turn key, but then, I've been accused of being a little off balanced before.

Were you asking for advice on wether or not to buy the bling bling Be Cool, or were you saying "Look at me guys, I'm getting a Be Cool, does that make me Cool?"

Whatever, it's your Jeep, it's your call, good luck with it, hope to wheel with you someday, my buddies are going to Attica for Labor day, wish I was going but not this time, maybe next. Sorry for the rant, it's just the third Monday in a row this week at work and my girlfriend tells me I can't work on the Jeep this weekend so I think I'm going to have to throw her out of my house, so I'm a little cranky.

Well put it this way. I can afford it and it is worth it to me. Just like doing exhaust, I could do it my self but I would rather let an exhaust shop do it. Somethings are not worth the hassle to me.

Like I said, it's your Jeep, it's your call, good luck with it, and, let's see some pics!

Originally posted by Doc Johnson
Well put it this way. I can afford it and it is worth it to me. Just like doing exhaust, I could do it my self but I would rather let an exhaust shop do it. Somethings are not worth the hassle to me.

Then why ask about it?:flipoff2: It's a waste of everyone's time.
This board is about modifying and wheeling rigs.Doing the work to make them better. Doing that work as cheap as possible. Not many posts about should I go with the pink gaynatrack or the purple gaynatrack D-60 front??? It's about finding parts off the shelf or modifying to fit cheaply and efficiently.

You may find JU to be more your taste. These guys want to do the work here.

Originally posted by Grendel


Then why ask about it?:flipoff2: It's a waste of everyone's time.
This board is about modifying and wheeling rigs.Doing the work to make them better. Doing that work as cheap as possible. Not many posts about should I go with the pink gaynatrack or the purple gaynatrack D-60 front??? It's about finding parts off the shelf or modifying to fit cheaply and efficiently.

You may find JU to be more your taste. These guys want to do the work here.


Yeah whatever!
Maybe I need to move over to JU since you guys are to damn cool and hard core for my build up.
I have built my rig in back yards, driveways, and parking lots from here in No cal to Las Vegas, using the tools I carry behind the seat of the Jeep, a welder, drill and a grinder.
But I used a Be Cool radiator in my rig when I went to the 5.0.
My rig has been upside down more in multiple roll overs, than most people will even see in a lifetime, and I have still never busted a weld or seam in the radiator,...that is more than I can say for any other brand, of radiator out there.
You compare the quality of the workmanship, the gauge and the materials, and you will see that there is a reason why Be Cools are so expensive.
Are they overpriced,...yes, are they one of the best radiators on the market,...yes, are they worth the money,....if you can afford it and you choose to go that route,.....yes.
Its just like buying Dynatrac,...if you can afford it, why not,...they are the best built axles available.
Now if you wanna go and pound your old beer cans into a viable radiator,..thats fine too,....but get off your high damn horse just because I guy has more money than time and chooses to buy the best product on the market.

Originally posted by Doc Johnson
Well unless someone here has a better Idea I think my only option is to buy the Bee Cool....

Sounds to me like he was looking for other options and opinions, so I gave him my opinion and the sum of what should have been stated as my limited experience. I'm not used to dealing with people with more money than time and I guess I should have gathered that fact from the posts above, perhaps Doc should list his financial status in his sig line. Maybe if I would have said there's this other company that makes a radiator that costs $900 he would have bought that one. I was more concerned that he may be falling victim to the bling bling name dropping disease and only buying the Be Cool because that's what he saw in a magazine. The only Be Cool radiator I have ever seen was being removed to repair a leaky tank, not sure of the circumstances that lead to it or the outcome, so I didn't mention it earlier. I just stated what I though some other options were. I am not even close to in the same league as you, H8Monday, I've seen your rig, I've heard tails of your imfamy, and I respect your accomplishments. I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.

I apologize to anyone whom I may have offended, it's not your fault, I'm just not my normal happy-go-lucky self today.

Originally posted by 4Bangler


Sounds to me like he was looking for other options and opinions, so I gave him my opinion and the sum of what should have been stated as my limited experience. I'm not used to dealing with people with more money than time and I guess I should have gathered that fact from the posts above, perhaps Doc should list his financial status in his sig line. Maybe if I would have said there's this other company that makes a radiator that costs $900 he would have bought that one. I was more concerned that he may be falling victim to the bling bling name dropping disease and only buying the Be Cool because that's what he saw in a magazine. The only Be Cool radiator I have ever seen was being removed to repair a leaky tank, not sure of the circumstances that lead to it or the outcome, so I didn't mention it earlier. I just stated what I though some other options were. I am not even close to in the same league as you, H8Monday, I've seen your rig, I've heard tails of your imfamy, and I respect your accomplishments. I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.

I apologize to anyone whom I may have offended, it's not your fault, I'm just not my normal happy-go-lucky self today.


You sound like on of those guys who would steal Ketchup and salt from McDonalds to save cash. I also see you separating your double ply toilet paper inorder to make two rolls out of one. :flipoff2: :D :D Hahahaha Just fawking with ya.

Actually, the fridge at my apartment in the city contains only ketchup packets and half a stick of butter, but my fridge at home's got some stuff in it. Bachelor life is the bomb during the week. That toilet paper thing is funny, before my girlfriend moved into my house I took a whole year to use up one 6-pack of toilet paper, mostly because I'd rather dump at work, where I can get paid for it. She's been living at my house for three months now and I bought the second huge 40 pack of toilet paper last weekend. I'm not super cheap, I spend money where I need to, I swapped in a Dana 44 front and Ford 9" rear with a full spool rear, OX locker front, 5.38 gears, all new bearings, seals, ball joints, calipers, rotors, brake lines, tierods, highsteer arms, wheel studs, etc. for under $2000

Originally posted by H8monday

Yeah whatever!
Maybe I need to move over to JU since you guys are to damn cool and hard core for my build up.
I have built my rig in back yards, driveways, and parking lots from here in No cal to Las Vegas, using the tools I carry behind the seat of the Jeep, a welder, drill and a grinder.
But I used a Be Cool radiator in my rig when I went to the 5.0.
My rig has been upside down more in multiple roll overs, than most people will even see in a lifetime, and I have still never busted a weld or seam in the radiator,...that is more than I can say for any other brand, of radiator out there.
You compare the quality of the workmanship, the gauge and the materials, and you will see that there is a reason why Be Cools are so expensive.
Are they overpriced,...yes, are they one of the best radiators on the market,...yes, are they worth the money,....if you can afford it and you choose to go that route,.....yes.
Its just like buying Dynatrac,...if you can afford it, why not,...they are the best built axles available.
Now if you wanna go and pound your old beer cans into a viable radiator,..thats fine too,....but get off your high damn horse just because I guy has more money than time and chooses to buy the best product on the market.

H8,
I am not referring to his purchase of a BeCool radiator . Just that he asked for cheaper/alternative responses and nay sayed everything that was recomended. As someone else posted, it looked like he wanted to say he had a Be-Cool. My question is why bother? Sounded more like bragging than anything else, to me. I'll gladly eat those words, if it's not the case.

He asked for opinions on the Be Cool and other options.
I thought you guys did a good job of giving the more affordable and viable options.
But the Be Cool radiators are a very good radiator if cost is no concerne. You guys were starting to sound like not only is it expensive but that it couldnt keep an engine cool.
Because of the fact that I run a Be Cool radiator, I felt I was in a good position to give a real world opinion on that radiator.

As far as I am concerned, it is one of the better radiators available, and at the time of my swap, I wanted to be sure that I could keep the V8 mill from overheating when crawling the Hammers, in the middle of summer,....and trust me I have seen way to many overheating V8s on the JV trails, even in October.
If I was to do it again, (knowiing that the 5.0 doesnt tend to overheat anyway) I would go with a more affordable radiator. My main reasoning behind a more affordable radiator, is the same as my philosophy on expensive built engines on a rock crawler,...there are just to many ways to ruin things, when wheeling hard, ie a stick through the radiator, crushing it in a rollover, etc.

But at least now I know that I have more bling, bling on my wrinkled old rig than just my Atlas :flipoff2:

Now that everyone's had a chance to refine their statements and defend their positions, we now officially have a dead horse. RIP "Radiator for a 350 Swap in YJ" it's been nice knowin' ya.

heh. Those rockers are far more hi tech than my rig with ever get.
BTW, I run a high horsepower chevy small block that sports a Be-Cool in front of it. So I know about the radiator. If I had known about the others, I probably would be running on of the other ones and had more :beer:

I hear you're looking for a spotter, h8?

I am not bragging about anything. I just want a bolt in radiator without doing anymods. Unfortunally my only option is a 3 core brass raditor that may work or the more expensive one that should work. Might as well get the best.

Originally posted by Doc Johnson
...I just want a bolt in radiator without doing anymods...

:rolleyes:

Just Die! Die you damned thread, Die, Die, Die! This dead horse is starting to stink!

Originally posted by 4Bangler
Just Die! Die you damned thread, Die, Die, Die! This dead horse is starting to stink!

Hey Bangler!! I saw your rig. Its pretty cool. :flipoff2:

I hope you saw it on the Internet and not driving by, it's 250 miles away from me and my garage doesn't lock very well, that's okay, I left it with the driver's side axle shaft out and up on a jack stand, none of my friends are energetic enough to fix it so they can steal it and wheel it. They do occasionaly swipe parts off it though.

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