With a scoped rifle shooting off a rest I expect 1" groups at 100 yards.
The same rifle standing, unsupported I expect to hit all into a pie plate at 100 yards with out any being near the edge.
With an unscoped rifle, I expect to be able to hit a beer can at 100 yards from a rest. I expect to put most into a pie plate standing, unsupported with the same rifle.

Pistols - A revolver should be able to plug clover leaf groups at 25' (8 yards).
It should be able to hit a groundhog silhouette at 100 yards (once you get the hold over for smaller calibers).

Autos - A long barreled auto should nearly reproduce a revolver accuracy at 25 yards. At 100 yards, I expect to hit a man sized silhouette once I get the hold over.

Short barreled autos - this is where things get loose for me.
I probably do well to hold a pie plate sized group at 25 yards even from a rest. All shots should be in a man sized silhouette off hand.

With a good scope rifle off a rest with good optics, you should be able to hit a penny with most shots at 100 yards, and a snuff can at 200.

With all that posted, those are my standards.
Do I achieve them all the time? No.
Do I hunt with guns/loads that don't achieve them sometimes? Yes.

There are times I really didn't have time to tune a load for a gun. The gun was shooting 3" groups at 100 yards. I didn't like it, but hunted with it.
Most of my shots are inside 100, so I really wasn't worried about.
However, when you know you can shoot a deer in the eye at 100 yards from a rest - it gives me more confidence in the gun I am carrying.

I grew up shooting, and probably shoot quite a bit compared to most (We have a 100 yard private range about 1/4 mile from house). Many of the guys I hunt, and shoot, with are good shooters and I consider them better than myself.

and now we're getting into the accuracy vs precision argument

Simple really, one dead ground squirell from 0 to 125 yds, 17HMR or 22Mag. Minute of squirell.

pretty much what you posted.
The only other thing is it must be more accurate than I am :laughing: luckily that is the case for all of my guns

I have many firearms that are capable of better accuracy then I can impart.

however, I have managed to make some very surprising shots with some that are not known for pinpoint accuracy.


My small group of regular shooters and I have been making up some targets to plink with rimfires of late and most of the targets are 3" diameter and move, some swing, some are on springs, some can spin around...
most are shot at 75-100yds...therefore, the caliber is near the end of its accuracy range(pretty much) and presents a greater challenge.

I have hit these targets from distances ranging from 25feet to 25 yds with my P22...usually surprises me, but hey, it is NOT a target gun and the only reason I bought it was because it had a can hanging off the end of the bbl. I have managed to kill some grackels and squirrels with it at 20-30 feet.


accuracy?
If I can hit a target at (depends on gun and caliber) distance, I am satisfied.

next time we go out, I will snap some photos and post them up.

I like to see better than 1" on all of my modern centerfires @ 100 sitting (but not benched). My .222 is good to about .5" with 5 shot groups on a best efforts basis. The BP ML stuff I'll settle for 2" @ 100 with RB and the .45-70 being in the 1-1.5 category (dont quite have a handle on the load yet...).

Im like the other poster on the .22 where 1 MOSquirrel is fine both rifle and pistol.

D.

and now we're getting into the accuracy vs precision argument

there is no argument, they are 2 separate things with 2 separate definitions

and now we're getting into the accuracy vs precision argument

there is no argument, they are 2 separate things with 2 separate definitions


Both get thrown around too often by people that can achieve niether.:flipoff2:



I think SilverZuk has a pretty accurate definition by my standards. Pun, har.

Id say it has more to do with intended use of said weapon.

If i were out west, and 300yd+ shots on big game were common, id say an honest 1 MOA with me shooting it would be the outer reaches of what i would be confident in. Notice i said "honest" and "with me shooting it".

Deep woods south, were 99% of shots are under 60 yards unless you are on a pipeline or a pasture, id say if you can hit the side of a barn at 200 yards you are good to go. Of course, most guys around here get the 300supermegafuckmag, throw an 8-20 on it, and go plop down in a swamp thicket were you could kill deer with a good sharpened broom handle. :laughing:

at 100 yards, my long range rigs should have the precision of all rounds touching and the accuracy of all of them landing inside a 1" dot. at 1k yards, i better be able to putt all rounds somewhere on a b27 target in ANY weather.


all other weapons, i don't care much as long as they are working as they were designed.

pretty much what you posted.
The only other thing is it must be more accurate than I am :laughing: luckily that is the case for all of my guns

x2

except I think I can outshoot my SKS. I would feel confident shooting at a deer with it within 150 yards. A beer can maybe at 100.

I am not the greatest shot in the world but I was happy with my 10/22 today. This is with the crappy 4X simmons that came with it.


http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9631/ruger102230shotsiz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I expect to hit a 7" circle or less at 20 yards, a 3 1/2 " or less circle at 15 yards, and dead on at 7 yards and less






























with my long bow. :laughing:

With an AR, standing I would expect to hit a stationary tgt at 200m. Prone, 400m

Minute of Man @ 100 yards with a rifle

Minute of Man @ 20 yards with a pistol

I am with 300Sniper, at 100 yards I expect my bolt gun to do this at a minimum.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/ddement/target11-17.jpg

My 17HMR only gets 3/4" groups at 100 but it is an auto and I really haven't tweaked it much. I like to get at least 1" groups with my 10/22 but it sometimes dissapoints me:(

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/ddement/target11-17.jpg





holy shit, what kind of velocities are you getting with that load? am i reading that right, 80 grains of 7828 and a 155 grain bullet? what bullet are you shooting?

holy shit, what kind of velocities are you getting with that load? am i reading that right, 80 grains of 7828 and a 155 grain bullet? what bullet are you shooting?

Those were lapua scenars. That load was around 3400. I got to 3690 with 4831 before I started getting sticky case and flattened primers.

That is from a 28" barrel.

I am playing with some barnes tipped tsx for hunting and hope to be around 3600 without pressure signs. The gun seems to like them and they have a pretty decent B.C.

consistently hitting the point i am aiming at. sometimes you can have the straightest, flattest shooting rifle there is, and still not hit what you are aiming at.

Those were lapua scenars. That load was around 3400. I got to 3690 with 4831 before I started getting sticky case and flattened primers.

That is from a 28" barrel.

I am playing with some barnes tipped tsx for hunting and hope to be around 3600 without pressure signs. The gun seems to like them and they have a pretty decent B.C.

i would have figured easily 3600+ with that load. even at 3400 fps that would only take 20.5 moa to get to 1k from 100. i may have to mess around with the scenars and some h1000.

Hitting what I am shooting at is accurate to me.

Kill a deer @ 200 yards. So a 4" area??

i would have figured easily 3600+ with that load. even at 3400 fps that would only take 20.5 moa to get to 1k from 100. i may have to mess around with the scenars and some h1000.

The scenars are a sweet shooting bullet but I use this mostly for hunting so I am trying the barnes. The H.P.s will make a spectacular kill on most deer but they completely disintegrate inside and I am trying to avoid lead poisoning :laughing:

I haven't tried h1000 yet. Have you had any dealings with the US869?

I expect to hit a 7" circle or less at 20 yards, a 3 1/2 " or less circle at 15 yards, and dead on at 7 yards and less


with my long bow. :laughing:

Not horrible, but with a long bow you should be able to do 3" at 25 yards

I can do sub 1" with my compound

My 17HMR only gets 3/4" groups at 100 but it is an auto and I really haven't tweaked it much. I like to get at least 1" groups with my 10/22 but it sometimes dissapoints me:(

I'm assuming you mean its an autoloader? what the make and model?

and now we're getting into the accuracy vs precision argument

What I posted involved both.
You have to precise to repeat the results, you have to be accurate to hit the target.

Hitting what I am shooting at is accurate to me.

That's about all the thought I ever put into it as well. Even when I used to shoot competitively.

1 shot 1 kill is as accurate anyone needs to be. that goes for anything your shooting

Not for rabbit hunting.
I like to shoot until empty and see the rabbit run off for the dogs to circle back around again. :laughing:
(I won't take easy shots on them, I usually only shoot when they are stretched out running and look like they are 3' long).

Not horrible, but with a long bow you should be able to do 3" at 25 yards

I can do sub 1" with my compound

I could as well with a compound with sites, when I was shooting them. But shooting instinctively, without sights, some days vary.
I just learned to not get upset, and go with the flow. Usually the first shot is dead on, which is what counts. I don't shoot 3Ds, just hunt, and my shots are 20 yards and less, or I don't generally shoot.

I'm assuming you mean its an autoloader? what the make and model?
Yep, it is a 10/22 mag converted to hmr.