And no, not those meats.

Since adding 35's to my rangie I have noticed that when they are aired down to 12 psi they are incredibly hard to turn, even on my garage floor. Obviously the pump and steering box weren't designed for this kind of load. So short of replacing the system with a Rockram what are my options? I seem to remember somewhere in the UK where they can increase the pressure (?) of the stock power steering pump to ease this problem. Obviously I will need to upgrade my stock Tie-rods as well. Possibly even get something stronger than the Rockware steering components.

While we're on the subject, Adam what ever came from your investigations into the rockram (?) stuff?

damn...Rover PS boxes are leaky right out of the box (damn near). I wonder what tossing another 1ksi at it would do?

--D

I am also wondering if there is any way to swap out the rover PS Pump for another. Maybe a ford or something. I swapped the stock alternator for a 130 amp Ford and love it. Besides it now comes with a lifetime warranty and only cost me $100 for the alternator.

I wonder if you could fit a AGR box in there with an AGR pump. The pump would probally not be a big deal but the box could be an issue. Order one up and we will gettr to fit in there for ya. Its just money :flipoff2:

Originally posted by lwg
I am also wondering if there is any way to swap out the rover PS Pump for another. Maybe a ford or something. I swapped the stock alternator for a 130 amp Ford and love it. Besides it now comes with a lifetime warranty and only cost me $100 for the alternator.

Feel like sharing the part# ? I could really use that...

j

Originally posted by onsafari
I wonder if you could fit a AGR box in there with an AGR pump. The pump would probally not be a big deal but the box could be an issue. Order one up and we will gettr to fit in there for ya.

Don't think I won't do it! Eventually.... Too broke right now. Maybe if you'd buy one for your Jeep I could take a look and we could build some brackets for it.

Originally posted by redrangie


Feel like sharing the part# ? I could really use that...

j

It'll cost ya! I used an adapter that Wrangler Northwest makes for the Rangie. It cost something like $100 for the adapter. It accepts a 1995 Ford Mustang GT alternator. All you need to do is change the pulley and splice in a few wires. I have all of the wiring info on how to do this somewhere.

You will also want to upgrade the wire from the Alternator to the Battery to something like a 2/0 wire and reroute it around to the front of the radiator. In it's current location it runs right by the fuel injectors and caused me some problems with the engine missing at certain RPM's.

LWG (Larry),

I can relate to what you are wanting. I too have had the same problem with locker engaged. In fact I pull so hard on steering wheel that I am twisting internal components in the rover power steering box.

I recommend what Doug is implying...to get rid of the rover components altogether. I happened to be low on cash and bought Doug Ms old PS Box off of him and now have that under my vehicle. It barely leaks in comparison to my old one, but the fact that a newer box like his leaks at all, say something to me.

I would not get a rock ram or similar. I would ONLY get a HOWE. It is truly the only way to go. You have the option of sending in your rover components and getting them modified, but I would strongly recommend getting his "kit" and adapting that to your vehicle. Adapting a box to the rover frame is not very difficult, but may take a little planning. You will need to make a custom bracket to attach the pump to vehicle. Not sure what you will do about the pully situation. Something will have to be adapted to get the rover stuff to work. Since you may be planning on a custom drag link for strength and maybe a tie rod might as well call Scott at Rockstomper and have him build you a drag link with threads on one end that are normal so that you can use a common drag link end that will adapt to a normal pitman arm nicely.

Lets face it, you won't be happy until you get hydraulic assist and it really takes a lot of the stress off of the frame and steering components which is a good thing. I would not suggest getting a more powerful box and calling it good at that. I think you will be much more happy with a overpowerful system...especially when that front locker is engaged and you are tweaked on a rock!

While we're on the subject, Adam what ever came from your investigations into the rockram (?) stuff?
I am saving my money currently for future mods. I always have a lot a want to do. I will do the Howe system when my bank account gets larger. With the recent Move and starting a new job that is commission based I am going to leave the rover as is, for a good while.

If you type in Hydraulic under a search, there are tons of topics regarding this. Here is one recent thread that I started sharing some information that I found.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=58622&highlight=hydraulic

Way

LWG,

That is too funny.

We are discussing the Wrangler alternator on the west-coast e-mail list and I pulled mine out of the box to take a pic for someone on that list.

Here it is!

LWG - 35's..( said while drooling like Homer Simpson does when saying 'bacon' ) What axle and diffs are you running front and rear at this time ? Any breakage due to 35'ing yet ?

Regarding the ps box issue -

Perhaps the Meridian re-manned rover PS box works better and might can handle more PSI than a stock tired rover ps box.

If you aren't going with a larger knuckle on the tie-rods end - like Adams, then just sleve the existing rods for more beef..

Talking of backgrounds, you must be at work...LOL..keep up the hard work

Way

awwwww, you noticed!

I was just getting ready to talk about my Saginaw conversion and then thought you guys were probably sick of hearing about a product that you can't really buy yet. :(

okay, this is a modifed version of the spiel timm cooper gives out. you can easily fit a scout box to the rover frame, using one or two of the existing mounting holes. you need to fabricate a new panhard rod bracket and steering shaft, and buy the pitman arm from timm that has been modified for a rover end. as for the pump, a 94-95 range rover pump is a high output (supposedly saginaw) pump that will bolt onto your motor using the bracketry from the 94-95.

this is what is happening to the range rover at the moment. no pics yet, as work has not started (beginning of next week).

i can put you in contact with a guy who has scout II boxes for cheap (less than $50 incl shipping) that are unrebuilt, but should work for a while.

anyways, just letting you know that you can do a saginaw easily without a whole lot of parts from timm.

ps- michael, i need some better pics of the panhard rod bracket that you have on the 145. got any?

adam@pirate4x4.com

Originally posted by 9V
as for the pump, a 94-95 range rover pump is a high output (supposedly saginaw) pump that will bolt onto your motor using the bracketry from the 94-95.



What does "high-output" mean? GPM and KSI?

--D

Adam,

Yeah I do, but they're not available to let you rip off something he's developed. If you think you can figure it out (which it sounds like you do), then go for it.

Besides, I already know that you've mooched enough unpaid for time off of Timm, why would I want to help you rip him off some more?

Timm actually does try to make money off of his products, weather you believe it or not.

Besides I paid top $$$ to have him fab up my bracket for me, why in the HELL would I give it away? :confused:

:flipoff2:

If anyone wants to come to South Denver and look at my bracket for the alternator conversion, no probs here.

Regarding the scout PS box and later model PS Pump. Very interesting idea. I figured that someone might have an idea like this. This could be my winter project. I think I know where I can get a Scout PS box. I'll just pull the PS pump off my wife's truck... Errr, I mean I'd better find another one, she's libel to whip my ass otherwise.

What mods are needed to the Panhard rod? I have been thinking about lengthing it a little anyways.

Originally posted by TallBrad
LWG - 35's..( said while drooling like Homer Simpson does when saying 'bacon' ) What axle and diffs are you running front and rear at this time ? Any breakage due to 35'ing yet ?



I haven't really had a chance to break anything yet. The rears are the HD Maxi-drives with 4.10's and ARB. I don't think I have enough HP to break them. The front is stock 10-spline right now with 4.10's and ARB. I have the 24-spline maxi's in my garage and am going to try out the new stronger CV's that GBR will be selling soon. If I start breaking stuff left and right I might just have to do an axle swap and sell the Rover stuff. For now I really don't want to think about that.

Michael,

Good to see you supporting good vendors. Love the pic by the way...What the hell am I looking at. It appears to be the bracket while you are torpedoing (sp?) at it holding your camera. LOL...that is what I take it as, if so pretty damn funny. Any progress on the ice cream modifications lately? One request to everyone please, as many people are confusing the Adams on the board is to add last names or call me Way.

Way

hey michael, actually i am only asking you for better pics since timm said to get some from you :flipoff2:

call him and ask if a guy named greg check from massachusetts is converting a range rover to a scout box :D

forgot, he also said that he wouldnt sell one to us for liability reasons, so i have to make one. the only thing he is allowing himself to sell is a pitman arm.

edit- and one MORE thing, i wish i could buy it from him!

9V,

Timm doesn't understand that those photographs are my intellectual property and they were taken with other things in mind than showing other people how to make a Land Rover.

I'll need to reiterate that position apparently.

In any case, go back and re-read the last line.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

you had me goin for a second... now email me the non-filtered pic, please. :D

come awn mike! help a brutha out! i swear to god it wont be painted red!

I guess that should have read,

'go back and re-read the *second to the last line*.

alright mike, you wanna be a dick, then go right the fuck ahead. and i always thought that you were the kind of guy to help out a fellow rover owner :rolleyes:

maybe that vegas heat is gettin to you. :flipoff:

9V,

If you wanna earn your stripes as your self proclaimed 'Rock God', then go ahead and think of something yourself and build it and put it on your truck and run it and THEN we'll see if that title works.

Until then, shut the F up.

Besides, you don't know anything about me, so your little insult doesn't phase me a bit.

I can't seem to grasp why you even posted it.

It serves no purpose in helping Rover tech.

It just seems to be a a big fucking tease and lookie what I have and you don't:mad2:

: Dad voice on :

Ok Discowebbers, I don't care who started what. Thats enough. If I have to...

: Dad voice off :


-Jeff

I think the fact the Michael spent a considerable amount of time with Timm and just plain designing things on his own, he should have every right to keep the pictures (and thus his design) to himself. Originally it was not stated that 9V wanted to purchase the product that Michael and Timm designed and fabricated, but rather copy (steal) it for himself. There are uniques aspects of everyones vehicle that makes theirs stand out. Afterall we are talking about a f-ing panhard/trac bar bracket and not anything complex (it couldn't be more simple on the frame end!!!). Adam Check should have no trouble designing and building his own. It is one thing to ask for help, it is another to rip off others ideas. Remember this is the POR board and not the d-90 list or discoweb, people have to get a thick skin around here. I don't see what the big deal is. Adam, shoot out some questions here or there and make a post about it. I and others are always more than happy to throw imput out there. The result will be a unique to you part that will suit your needs the best with your configeration.

Way

Well it just seems the nature of the list is everyone shows off what they did and want to keep it to themselves. Some people have their "top secret" modifications or whatever it's just how the list is. A problem with many car enthusiasts is that they can't really afford to do the mods they want. The only choice is to make stuff either by figuring it out themselves, asking advice from others or look at what another company makes and copy it.

Fawking a guy's...Sheeze I step away for a moment and it's sounding like the D90 list!

Just to let you know, Mike already has posted a pic of the thing for geawd's sake.

9V quick getting your panties in a wad! (of course that's all to easy with aluminum panties!LMAO!!!)

The thing with fabrication I've FINALLY come to understand, is that you need to glean ideas from others and then execute the idea yourself...By yourself. Quite often the final product will be nothing like that which you got the idea from the first place, AND the added bonus, is it's YOURS. For a long time I couldn't get off TDC because I was always waiting for the 'silver bullet' that someone else has done, and is willing to share the design specs...Didn't happen the way I thought it would. (Of course I'm TOTALLY bent on 9" Mog hybrids!!! Just can't get that one out of my head).

Just start building dude, post some pics, and the ideas will flow.

Originally posted by RockRover

Just start building dude, post some pics, and the ideas will flow.
exactly right!

Hey OS! Like the avitar man! That's the baby from the Gerber Picante Sauce pic! That's one of my all time favorites!

Originally posted by RockRover
Hey OS! Like the avitar man! That's the baby from the Gerber Picante Sauce pic! That's one of my all time favorites!

I found it on E-bay;)

Seems to me this list is all about showing off what we've got/built. Mike has always been upfront about Timm's role building stuff for him. Seems to me that he who squawks when he asks for a favor when the answer to the request is "no", "doth protest to much!" (thet there is a Shakespeare quote!) Calling someone a Richard Cabeza (Dick Head) when you ask for a favor is probably not very productive in the long run.

And Timm has done work for me in the past and is about to do a major engine/driovetrain transplant in my 109 for me, together with other fab work, locker and maybe front disc brake conversion. So saying Timm is Mike's private slave is not only a serious insult to Timm (Criminy!), its inaccurate and smacks of sour grapes.

I'll crawl back in my newbie ass little hole now.
Oh, just so no one gets offended, :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Simon (knew how to weld when I was in high school....)

Originally posted by JSBriggs
: Dad voice on :

Ok Discowebbers, I don't care who started what. Thats enough. If I have to...

: Dad voice off :


-Jeff

Jeff,
Speaking of discowebbers, someone showed me this.... unfrickin-believable.

http://www.discoweb.org/discus/messages/12/7660.html?1029955157

Originally posted by redrangie


Jeff,
Speaking of discowebbers, someone showed me this.... unfrickin-believable.

http://www.discoweb.org/discus/messages/12/7660.html?1029955157

"discoweb, the only place where a beat to death discussion about :rainbow: roofracks turns into a discussion about adjectives"

good god! and no i didnt read the whole thing :D

Damn, Adam looking to pick a fight...LOL? Still don't see a post about panhard rod brackets. If you want, you can buy one from ruibicon express for 45$ that is 1/4" plate and super burly all you would need to do is drill a few new holes. Get the one for a ZJ Grand Cherokee and you can make it work. If you want get a ZJ trac bar as well and get a universal bracket from AA and everything except the bracket from AA is a bolt on deal.....


I have a roof rack and drink coffee....maybe I am on the wrong list. Got to say the pictures were humerous though.

Way

Adam Check:

Mike works for a living. As a photographer. Photographers make their money off of photographs they take. The photos belong to them. They put time and energy and knowledge into them. Mike has 4x4 related companies that are clients of his. Has it occurred to you that that may be why he is concerned with protecting his photographs? I could be wrong because I haven't talked to Mike about it, but I do know he is a photographer and he has clients in the 4x4 world. He may also be planning an article - I know he wrote one about the Serious One. If there is something you don't understand about intellectual property, go look it up.

And when you ask for a favor, you need to accept that the answer might just be no. Seems implicit in the asking doesn't it?

You need to grow up a little dude, and let bygones be bygones. I am surprised Mike has held back on replying.

No real offense intended here, and if I don't reply, its because I am on vacation as of today.

Respectfully, :D :flipoff2:

Adam's sig line quote of Mike's post got edited/moderated??

no i deleted it from my sigline. and anyways, i know mike is a professional photographer and has clients in the 4x4 world, and i would have been satisfied for a simple "yes i have more pictures, but i would not like to keep passing them out because that was not my intent in taking them." BUT instead he had to be a dick about it, and start assuming that i was going to be ripping off timms work and mooching or whatever. and insulting me, blatantly. why that? i dont recall as being offensive when i asked for more pictures. so why did he have to take it up (or is that down?) a notch. i dont get it.

and like you said, let bygones be bygones.

Dang, I went away for a few hours this afternoon to check on the house, and I come back to hear I've missed a good sig-line quote from me in 9V's post???

Anyone archive it?

Don't worry you didn't miss much.....

shit! All is well in the world, I go home, back to work the next day and Boom! Excitement.

You folk keep going. I'm just going to get some popcorn and a coke. Entertaining crap this!

Merv.