Long story short. I was up in Eldorado forest yesterday helping out on my first Snow patrol. Informing people of the trail closures, counting vehicles, otherwise trying to get involved.


We were cruzing along the "paved" snow covered road when i stopped to run into the trees for a quick break. A few feet off the road in the Snow and Mud there were about 60 spent shotgun rounds, and a few hundred various spent brass casings. I just don't get this mentality. It's not like you had to rummage through the forest to pick up this trash. It was all at your feet as the rounds were discharged, simply bend over and pick them up when you're done. Obviously now way to tell who did this, 4wheeler or not, it just looks bad on outdoor enthusiast as a whole. So i spent 20 minutes picking up this shit wondering why I was out trying to make a difference in the first place.

/That's all i got.

Was it on Iron Mountain, or off Bonettii?

Just FYI, Steve Morgan's group PLINK (PLease Keep It Nra Klean), does a LOT of work in Eldo cleaning shooting areas and such. Most shooters pick up after themselves.

Thanks for doing it.... :D

to bad the shooters didn't take care of themselves :(

Wermz and I were on Iron Mt. Rd with my club. This was Cal 4 Wheel Asso. snow patrol. Wermz is looking to join my club and it is good to see more people get involved. Sad thing is, people are still going off pavement in El Dorado NF, leaving their trash, brass, and anything they don't have a use for. Even groups that know better. A group (club) of four wheelers, most people have heard of them, came though our information area and were in a word, rude. The I am to 'cool', I am to 'extreme', I am to 'what ever' is not needed and dose not help our cause. Then to go up the road a see where fresh tracks have been made across open land and trials that you are not supposed to be on, makes me p!ssed. If you are not part of the solution, you might be part of the problem.
Although I disagree with the USNF Seasonal Closure, I will no break the law just because I don't like it. I am no goody-goody, but if we are going to talk the talk, we must walk the walk.

Sorry, I will get off my soap box now.

Thank for your help Wermz and hope to see you at our next event.

Thank you for taking the time to pick up someone else's junk.

Yes, it does get tiring at times.

I think of it this way....I have kids. While they were growing up, I had to do everything for them. As they got older I still had to do everything. Not by doing it, but by reminding them constantly to do it for themselves.

I have one who is helpful, whom I don't have to ask for help and one who isn't. I raised them in the same house, with the same rules, but somehow one is less inclined to help than the other. Why?

Moral of the story....

We aren't going to be able to condition everybody to care. We will have to spend some of our free time, taking responsibility for others who for whatever reason refuse to do so.

Just the way it is if we want to keep our lands open.

Was it on Iron Mountain, or off Bonettii?

Just FYI, Steve Morgan's group PLINK (PLease Keep It Nra Klean), does a LOT of work in Eldo cleaning shooting areas and such. Most shooters pick up after themselves.

Ya I know they do, I wasn't trying to point fingers or anything. Just like most wheelers pick up after themselves.

I guess I was just venting about the few bad apples that there are in any bunch.

Thanks for all the work you have done on this. Part of why I decided to get involved was reading about what you have been doing.

Thanks for doing it.... :D

to bad the shooters didn't take care of themselves :(

You're Welcome. :D

Wermz and I were on Iron Mt. Rd with my club. This was Cal 4 Wheel Asso. snow patrol. Wermz is looking to join my club and it is good to see more people get involved. Sad thing is, people are still going off pavement in El Dorado NF, leaving their trash, brass, and anything they don't have a use for. Even groups that know better. A group (club) of four wheelers, most people have heard of them, came though our information area and were in a word, rude. The I am to 'cool', I am to 'extreme', I am to 'what ever' is not needed and dose not help our cause. Then to go up the road a see where fresh tracks have been made across open land and trials that you are not supposed to be on, makes me p!ssed. If you are not part of the solution, you might be part of the problem.
Although I disagree with the USNF Seasonal Closure, I will no break the law just because I don't like it. I am no goody-goody, but if we are going to talk the talk, we must walk the walk.

Sorry, I will get off my soap box now.

Thank for your help Wermz and hope to see you at our next event.

I had a great time with you guys yesterday, thanks for having me up. Ya i pretty much want to join.

and the fresh tracks on the open land pissed me off as well.

Thank you for taking the time to pick up someone else's junk.

Yes, it does get tiring at times.

I think of it this way....I have kids. While they were growing up, I had to do everything for them. As they got older I still had to do everything. Not by doing it, but by reminding them constantly to do it for themselves.

I have one who is helpful, whom I don't have to ask for help and one who isn't. I raised them in the same house, with the same rules, but somehow one is less inclined to help than the other. Why?

Moral of the story....

We aren't going to be able to condition everybody to care. We will have to spend some of our free time, taking responsibility for others who for whatever reason refuse to do so.

Just the way it is if we want to keep our lands open.

Well put. thanks.

So who was the rude club....................? You can PM me if ya wanna.

For most every activity, there are always a few idiots that give the greater group a bad name. Thanks for cleaning up and showing that the majority outweighs the minority!

Randii

It may not even be a club, but if they drove any kind of vehicle to get there I can guarantee the complaint if any, will first wind up on the OHV managers desk. NRA is the flip side of the Eco groups like SC and CBD, you don't hear much about them doing clean ups they just litigate, why because they can...TJ:shaking:

A group (club) of four wheelers, most people have heard of them, came though our information area and were in a word, rude. The I am to 'cool', I am to 'extreme', I am to 'what ever' is not needed and dose not help our cause.


This is the part that bugs me. A well known 'club' in the Eldorado National Forest if nothing else should be fricking polite to the folks that are actually working to keep the land that they wheel on open.

Punks. :mad3::mad3:

Bebe took the word out of my mouth.

Thank you for picking up what YOU didn't leave behind:). There are still some of us who care enough to do the ugly work.

My Wife and I frequent a box canyon a few miles from my place here
in Mojave we like to use for target shooting.

A couple of weeks ago we spent a half hour popping off some rounds
and over an hour picking up spent shells from others. Lucky for us, they left
their empty clay pigeon boxes, we filled tree of them with spent shells left there

Wayne

It may not even be a club, but if they drove any kind of vehicle to get there I can guarantee the complaint if any, will first wind up on the OHV managers desk. NRA is the flip side of the Eco groups like SC and CBD, you don't hear much about them doing clean ups they just litigate, why because they can...TJ:shaking:

Hello Mc Fly............are you in there:rolleyes:

You are a crack up TJ.

. It was all at your feet as the rounds were discharged, simply bend over and pick them up when you're done. Obviously now way to tell who did this, 4wheeler or not, it just looks bad on outdoor enthusiast as a whole. So i spent 20 minutes picking up this shit wondering why I was out trying to make a difference in the first place.


Thank you for doing what was right and cleaning up what you could.
We are always going to have those that dont respect the land, and the rest of us that will do what it takes to keep it open and clean.






NRA is the flip side of the Eco groups like SC and CBD, you don't hear much about them doing clean ups they just litigate, why because they can...TJ:shaking:

The NRA group P.L.I.N.K in the Eldorado National Forest has cleaned up more trash than all of the other groups combined over the years. They not only clean the shooting areas but anywhere there is trash they go after it, even on SPI private lands.

http://www.eldoradorodandgun.com/plink.htm

Yes it does happen but it's the exception rather than the rule (yes my opinion), shooters rights groups lean more to-wards ligation based actions generally, why because they can. They have legal clout for two reason one is they worked hard for it, and of course the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. There's actually a good opportunity here shooters in some regards need to be more like us, community service based actions, and we need to be more like them in regards to litigation and Political activism...TJ

Long story short. I was up in Eldorado forest yesterday helping out on my first Snow patrol. Informing people of the trail closures, counting vehicles, otherwise trying to get involved.


We were cruzing along the "paved" snow covered road when i stopped to run into the trees for a quick break. A few feet off the road in the Snow and Mud there were about 60 spent shotgun rounds, and a few hundred various spent brass casings. I just don't get this mentality. It's not like you had to rummage through the forest to pick up this trash. It was all at your feet as the rounds were discharged, simply bend over and pick them up when you're done. Obviously now way to tell who did this, 4wheeler or not, it just looks bad on outdoor enthusiast as a whole. So i spent 20 minutes picking up this shit wondering why I was out trying to make a difference in the first place.

/That's all i got.

Thanks for the clean up. It seems fisherman have the same mentality. I swear I can't fish from the bank without seeing spent plastic worm/ liver containers littering the ground and a trash can not more than 50 feet away. I always end picking up my trash as well as others. :rolleyes: