Would I have troulble with a samurai with a 1.3L motor, stock trans and t-case, 6.72:1 gears in the axles and 44" cut groundhawg tires?

Do you all think it'll be able to spin or turn the tires offroad (FL mudding)?

I have everything already and want to consolidate my junk without buying anything extra.

Maybe with double cases. Really all you can do is put it together and try it. But i would add another t-case in there if it was me.


And yes you can mount them back to back if needed.

TC

you wont spin them very fast.....

lol sammi axles on 44= fail

lol sammi axles on 44= fail

I'm assuming Rockwells.

Maybe with double cases. Really all you can do is put it together and try it. But i would add another t-case in there if it was me.


And yes you can mount them back to back if needed.

TC
thanks, i'll do some searching and look into the doubler http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif


I'm assuming Rockwells.
yep

Do you all think it'll be able to spin or turn the tires offroad (FL mudding)?


Yeah, when it's floating in the water on the 44"s.:flipoff2:

I think you are gonna want alot more power with that setup.

Yeah, when it's floating in the water on the 44"s.:flipoff2:

I think you are gonna want alot more power with that setup.

Maybe take a paddle too, for when you're floating rubberside up to flip it back over like a kayak!:laughing:
Good luck, sounds like a fun build.

oh, and pics, pics, pics!

all that, and gonna stick with the 1.3? sort of a waste.

all that, and gonna stick with the 1.3? sort of a waste.

I dont have a bigger motor laying around just a sami, 2.5tons and 44's, so this is a way to get rid of some junk by putting it together

Maybe take a paddle too, for when you're floating rubberside up to flip it back over like a kayak!:laughing:
Good luck, sounds like a fun build.

oh, and pics, pics, pics!

the pictures i have arent that exciting since I havent started any work.

http://jeeptalk.net/jtup/1228924347/med_gallery_1371_173_207681.jpg

http://jeeptalk.net/jtup/images1/gallery_1371_90_909827.jpg

You need more gear or more motor,maybe look into gearset swap for the sami case, rocklobster i think?

Are you gonna stretch the wb any?

I dont have a bigger motor laying around just a sami, 2.5tons and 44's, so this is a way to get rid of some junk by putting it together

just b/c uve got it, and u can, doesnt make it a good idea.

wait till uve got some better parts to work with what uve got.....

Open front and rear??? Cause if you locked up you are going to break some shafts.

Open front and rear??? Cause if you locked up you are going to break some shafts.

A 1.3L is going to break 2.5 axle shafts? I know they are kinda crappy in stock form but I think he will be ok.
(or did I miss your sarcasm?)

It will not be enough gear. Not in thick mud anyway. I'm not that familiar with sami's but you can do a 4:1 re-gear of the tcase right? Try that before you start putting a profab or something in there.

You can go 6.5-1 in the t-case too. I read a few weeks ago that someone just came out with new 8.1 gears for the t-case. I think it was Trail Tough but I'm not sure. I'll see if I can find it.

you will never get enough wheel speed, for anything serious.

Ive heard of guys running pisted off 1.6(kick/track) motors w/ turbos that spin emm check out the sami in top truck in the general 4x4 section.

lol sammi axles on 44= fail

they don't make 6.72 gears for a sammi axle!

they don't make 6.72 gears for a sammi axle!

Do you know how to read? He's wanting to use 2.5 ton rockwell axles.:flipoff2:

I met a kid last year at the 4x4 demo for the Sportsman Expo and he had a Zuci running on Rockwells and 44s with the stock motor and it did just fine. I don't remember if he was running twin Tcases or the Tcase Ruduction kit, but it crawled great. There's no way to really make it dual purpose anymore as far as streetability goes, so just lock up the axles and add the Tcase kit and you should do fine.

eager to see this!:smokin:

original post said nothing about rockwells....

it said stock sami

buy a cheap salvage yard 350 or somthing...

i agree with the other guys.. i dont think you will have enough wheel speed... engine is going to rev up to fast

Your pinion will spin when you blow the ring gear through the housing. just a fact sorry.:(


explain to us how a 1.3l gerbal is going to blow a 2.5 rockwell axle?

i don't know shit about sami's but the same goes for any 4x4. you can't just do one thing and hope that everything else will hold. ex. 2.5 rockwells with stock trans t-case and motor. save up some coin sell the stock drivetrain to the sami guys get a 350 sm420,465 t-350, or t-400 and a t-case of your choice. for mud there's only two things that matter horsepower and ground clearance. you will have the ground clearance now get the hp. you can build a 350 with 2x the hp for the same price as a turbo'd 1.3. if you were telling us you wanted a rig for crawling i would say do a doubler and your fine. as mentioned above just because you got some shit and you are capable doesn't mean you should.

explain to us how a 1.3l gerbal is going to blow a 2.5 rockwell axle?

i don't know shit about sami's but the same goes for any 4x4. you can't just do one thing and hope that everything else will hold. ex. 2.5 rockwells with stock trans t-case and motor. save up some coin sell the stock drivetrain to the sami guys get a 350 sm420,465 t-350, or t-400 and a t-case of your choice. for mud there's only two things that matter horsepower and ground clearance. you will have the ground clearance now get the hp. you can build a 350 with 2x the hp for the same price as a turbo'd 1.3. if you were telling us you wanted a rig for crawling i would say do a doubler and your fine. as mentioned above just because you got some shit and you are capable doesn't mean you should.

I agree i was going todo the same swap, it would turn the wheels and crawl but any wheel spin forget it. Go with a good ol 350/465/205 and the 6.72 axles will be enough gearing to spin just about any tire you want.

explain to us how a 1.3l gerbal is going to blow a 2.5 rockwell axle?

i don't know shit about sami's but the same goes for any 4x4. you can't just do one thing and hope that everything else will hold. ex. 2.5 rockwells with stock trans t-case and motor. save up some coin sell the stock drivetrain to the sami guys get a 350 sm420,465 t-350, or t-400 and a t-case of your choice. for mud there's only two things that matter horsepower and ground clearance. you will have the ground clearance now get the hp. you can build a 350 with 2x the hp for the same price as a turbo'd 1.3. if you were telling us you wanted a rig for crawling i would say do a doubler and your fine. as mentioned above just because you got some shit and you are capable doesn't mean you should.

My bad did not see the rockwell part sorry will delete.

no worries just don't let that shit happen again:flipoff2:

original post said nothing about rockwells....

it said stock sami



So you didn't know that is the exact ratio of rocks or you just wanted to be a PIA?? :flipoff2:

You won't spin them at the rpm to utilize properly, no. Not even close.

Would I have troulble with a samurai with a 1.3L motor, stock trans and t-case, 6.72:1 gears in the Rockwell axles and 44" cut groundhawg tires?

Do you all think it'll be able to spin or turn the tires offroad (FL mudding)?


I have had a couple Samurais, and im guessing it would move, but the RPMs would be around 5000 all the time and the motor and clutches wouldn't last long.

You are making a tractor type rig - will go great until the tires load up then you are screwed. It will depend on the type of mud and clay you are in how much it takes to load up your cut hawgs. Should be a fun rig - you won't have to worry about breaking anything !

Go for it. When you get it finished and find it to be disgustingly under-powered, swap in a a larger engine or at least something with more get-up (VW Diesel or GM 4.3 come to mind) and have fun with it. :flipoff2:

"Jake" did it w/ mog axles iirc.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4290425857543810870&hl=en-CA

In the video, it looked like he needs a little more gear reduction. Do you know what Mog axles he is using? My girlfriend wants another Samurai, and I have some 18:1 ZF planetaries and 54" Boggers I might throw under one.

I am just checking out the mud shit, but I am a rock guy and you guys should check a lot the tech in th rock crawling forums, it will cross over.

You can get 6.5:1 sami tcase gears for like 500 bucks. These would lower your 2hi gearing quite a bit to. I have seen one samurai on 33's that that would pull wheelies on the pavement on stock axles, so the axles cant be that bad. If you do break an axle, just upgrade to toyotas. Toyotas are the shit on a sami. i am not a mud guy though.

I have seen one samurai on 33's that that would pull wheelies on the pavement on stock axles, so the axles cant be that bad.

:rolleyes: Thats funny!

I don't think it would have to "spin" the tires, should be able to crawl right over most stuff, then just buy a cheap ATV winch off ebay LOL

Stacked cases would help out but won't the rear shaft get awful short in stock WB?

Doesn't sound like he has the $ for the low low's but shit I'd stock it together and see what it does. Worst thing that could happen is he now has a cool mall crawler to pick up redneck chicks with:grinpimp:

i wonder i have heard of some people being able to do this with biggggg tires on samuaris dont know if the have the rockwells under them though. but you might be able to pull your valve stem out being that tire will be that big and will be able to drive the truck with o psi in the tires. like i said idk but that would be cool. do it that truck will be all tires espically if you dont stretch the wheel base.