: Nother Round of Towing Mods....


Fool Injected
02-13-2009, 11:58 PM
Just ordered up a set of Firestone Ride-Rites w/ in cab pressure controls and air compressor as well as a B&W turnover ball gooseneck hitch.

Also slated for this wek is a gear swap to 4.56's.

Aaaannnddd I'll probably end up on the phone with Bay Area Diesel Performance about a DPF/EGR delete 5" turbo back and a Bully Dog PMT.

All that will be left is a spray in liner after I scratch the bed up a bit more and maybe some front fender flares:smokin:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i49/KrisKelso/DSC02430.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i49/KrisKelso/122308_16201.jpg

southern k5
02-14-2009, 06:07 AM
Dude, nice truck :smokin:

One suggestion dont get the Bully Dog, the new Smarty is coming out in 2 weeks, its going to smoke everything in HP and MPG. But definitely get rid of the DPF, downpipe, and EGR.

zukota
02-14-2009, 06:44 AM
Dude, nice truck :smokin:

One suggestion dont get the Bully Dog, the new Smarty is coming out in 2 weeks, its going to smoke everything in HP and MPG. But definitely get rid of the DPF, downpipe, and EGR.

:lmao: I have a smarty for my 2nd gen and I love it. But don't hold your breath. :lmao: :lmao:

lodikrawlingkiller
02-14-2009, 06:45 AM
holly crap that is a sweet looking rig!!!:smokin:

CTD NUT
02-14-2009, 07:30 AM
:lmao: I have a smarty for my 2nd gen and I love it. But don't hold your breath. :lmao: :lmao:

Well, it is true....beta testing has been done for a little while and pre ordering has opened. 2 weeks is the official word.

atlas59
02-14-2009, 07:38 AM
any word on cost for the Smarty?

FullsizeYota
02-14-2009, 08:18 AM
4.56s....... Really?? i have 3.54's in my 99 with 285s and when i get out one freeway, i wish i had a gearvendors overdrive even while towing.

bigbaggedbeast
02-14-2009, 08:26 AM
don't re gear until all your power mods are complete just be a waste ....how ever if it's a auto start your research now as it's only a matter of time till you have it redone ....:D


sweet ride i wish my 2000 ctd dually had those new flares they are badass:smokin:

CTD NUT
02-14-2009, 09:03 AM
Those tires are 36"+ tall and heavy as fawk.....4.56 is not out of the question bombed or not and will be just about right for getting the truck back to the factory ratio/tire combo. More fuel won't stop the engine from lugging because there is too much load and not enough rpm. Dropping a gear will help with egt but that is really only telling you aren't geared appropriately in the first place. Also, that 68RE is far cry from 48RE.... Towing with a Smarty an that tranny will be a non-issue.

Fool Injected
02-14-2009, 10:54 AM
4.56 will put me 67 rpm over stock at 70mph.

I'll check into the Smarty. My research on CumminsForum has been slacking lately. I knew the PMT was preferred over the Edge, but now I'll read up on the Smarty.

All this Edge/PMT/Smarty/CP3/MP8/Fleece stuff for these Dodges is really confusing. It was easy with my Powerstroke, SCT and you were done.

Does anyone know anything about what a CP3, MP8, or a Fleece Boost Controller is? Everyone at CumminsForum seems so well versed in these mods that you really never get down to the bottom of what any of them are.

southern k5
02-14-2009, 12:25 PM
4.56 will put me 67 rpm over stock at 70mph.

I'll check into the Smarty. My research on CumminsForum has been slacking lately. I knew the PMT was preferred over the Edge, but now I'll read up on the Smarty.

All this Edge/PMT/Smarty/CP3/MP8/Fleece stuff for these Dodges is really confusing. It was easy with my Powerstroke, SCT and you were done.

Does anyone know anything about what a CP3, MP8, or a Fleece Boost Controller is? Everyone at CumminsForum seems so well versed in these mods that you really never get down to the bottom of what any of them are.

The CP3 is the injection pump supplies fuel to the injectors

A MP8 raises the rail PSI giving you better power, but running your rail PSI high all the time will kill your injectors, quick.

And trust me wait for the Smarty.

southern k5
02-14-2009, 12:26 PM
:lmao: I have a smarty for my 2nd gen and I love it. But don't hold your breath. :lmao: :lmao:

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=232931

Suck it :flipoff2::mr-t:

Fool Injected
02-14-2009, 12:38 PM
So without having to read a gazzillion threads on 1000 different forums, what makes the Smarty trump the PMT?

southern k5
02-14-2009, 01:09 PM
So without having to read a gazzillion threads on 1000 different forums, what makes the Smarty trump the PMT?

More power, Zero Codes for no EGR and DPF, turns off the 4th injection event (which is for emissions) which in turn hikes up the MPG's,

The beta testers that have dyno'd it are same that the torque is right around 3x the hp, unlike the 5.9 smarty and every other 6.7 tuner thats 2x the hp.

That enough info or you want more details. :flipoff2:

Fool Injected
02-14-2009, 01:27 PM
More power, Zero Codes for no EGR and DPF, turns off the 4th injection event (which is for emissions) which in turn hikes up the MPG's,

The beta testers that have dyno'd it are same that the torque is right around 3x the hp, unlike the 5.9 smarty and every other 6.7 tuner thats 2x the hp.

That enough info or you want more details. :flipoff2:

LOL, unfortunately me being me I went and read up on it myself anyway. Those numbers are what Im seeing, but they have not released any defrinite HP numbers or what all exactly it will do and it has folks in a frenzy.

It seems they announced the "Coming Soon" and that they are beta testing it in response to H&S coming out with the XRT.

They have been saying coming soon for 2 years.

We will see, im not in a big hurry nor do I really need a tuner right now, what I really want is to lose the DPF/EGR and run with no CEL. The PMT will clear soft codes on startup, but it looks like BADP has a 3rd Gen no code DPF/EGR delete which means I would not need a module to clear codes anyway.

Whew, its all mind boggling.

I have been eyeing the Airdog system too:shaking:

wcuhillbilly
02-14-2009, 01:44 PM
Keep the turn over ball in the tool box or behind the seat,,, I just spent a bottle of Oxygen and half a tank of propane cutting one out of the socket from some dumb schmuck who left it in and never greased it then proceeded to haul sand in his bed.... thus one son of a stuck mess. the B&W has a solid ring in the bottom of the reciever that wont allow the dirt and other nasties to drain out... thus I added some drain slots and keep my ball in the box. love the hitch though.

Fool Injected
02-14-2009, 01:57 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I had the same setup on my last truck, but never though about the ball siezing into its hole. I did keep mine greased though.

zukota
02-14-2009, 04:17 PM
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=232931

Suck it :flipoff2::mr-t:



:shaking:are you kidding? have you read anything about MADS electronics? preorder and no price != 2 weeks.

1TFROT
02-14-2009, 05:36 PM
Brayden (Fleece) knows his stuff so I would highly recommend anything done by him and his shop. my d-max was done by him and it runs great. EFI, exhaust, intake and a SCIII Allison. :smokin: running 33" Trxus MTs and it's a solid 13sec flat truck. had some fun picking on a charger srt8 the other night :D

nice truck btw. good luck with the mods :smokin:

Soundguy
02-14-2009, 06:15 PM
You need to hurry up and do all this shit, you're my personal beta tester. :flipoff2:

This stock 6.7 feels like a dog compared to my old 5.9, Once I get back from KOH with a couple thousand miles on her I want to try opening things up a little. I plan to run to Cali with the EGR unplugged just to see if that helps mileage a little bit.

Fool Injected
02-14-2009, 09:47 PM
You need to hurry up and do all this shit, you're my personal beta tester. :flipoff2:

This stock 6.7 feels like a dog compared to my old 5.9, Once I get back from KOH with a couple thousand miles on her I want to try opening things up a little. I plan to run to Cali with the EGR unplugged just to see if that helps mileage a little bit.

Yep, it was a bit of a shock going from my Ford to this. But now that its been a few months I feel right at home in there.

I unplugged my EGR about 2 weeks ago and my mileage did indeed go up. About 2 mpg.

Im trying to be very patient with the mods. I'll give the XRT some time to be real world tested which will also allow more time for the Smarty to "possibly" be released. My gut is really telling me to go with BADP's setup and a PMT but I also read where they are having software problems with the PMT's.

I may just do BADPs newest gen delete kit. I'd really like to stick with them for deletes since they are a mere 30 minutes from me and have been essential in the developments of the 6.7 mods since the get-go.

Jodi, how are you liking the truck overall so far? I predict you will love towing with it. When I had stock tires on this one I'd cruise along a literally would forget I had a trailer behind me. Seriously. I'd look down and catch myself doing 90mph because the truck is so quiet and it tows so effortlessly.

Soundguy
02-15-2009, 05:43 AM
Yep, it was a bit of a shock going from my Ford to this. But now that its been a few months I feel right at home in there.

I unplugged my EGR about 2 weeks ago and my mileage did indeed go up. About 2 mpg.

Im trying to be very patient with the mods. I'll give the XRT some time to be real world tested which will also allow more time for the Smarty to "possibly" be released. My gut is really telling me to go with BADP's setup and a PMT but I also read where they are having software problems with the PMT's.

I may just do BADPs newest gen delete kit. I'd really like to stick with them for deletes since they are a mere 30 minutes from me and have been essential in the developments of the 6.7 mods since the get-go.

Jodi, how are you liking the truck overall so far? I predict you will love towing with it. When I had stock tires on this one I'd cruise along a literally would forget I had a trailer behind me. Seriously. I'd look down and catch myself doing 90mph because the truck is so quiet and it tows so effortlessly.


I'm loving it so far, I'm still shocked at how smooth the tranny is even towing 15Klbs. I've never "forgotten" that my 5th wheel is back there because it's a big ass trailer and I don't care what kind of 1 ton truck you have... you know it's back there. :D

The EB works pretty well, I'd like a little more stopping power using it but I'll see how it does in the hills on my way to Cali. I'm not really excited about the fuel mileage but I don't pay for it so it's just a mind thing I guess. :evil:

Fool Injected
02-15-2009, 09:36 AM
Yeah, but if you ever pull your Jeep on your car hauler you would forget its back there.

BTW, I ordered up the loom for the gooseneck wiring, looks like its plug and play. :smokin:

southern k5
02-15-2009, 09:54 AM
Brayden (Fleece) knows his stuff so I would highly recommend anything done by him and his shop. my d-max was done by him and it runs great. EFI, exhaust, intake and a SCIII Allison. :smokin: running 33" Trxus MTs and it's a solid 13sec flat truck. had some fun picking on a charger srt8 the other night :D

nice truck btw. good luck with the mods :smokin:

Fleece is definitley know their stuff especially on the Dmax, I didnt realize they were essing around with CTD's though.

1TFROT
02-15-2009, 10:57 AM
Fleece is definitley know their stuff especially on the Dmax, I didnt realize they were essing around with CTD's though.

yep. they've actually done a large handful of transplants using Allisons :smokin: as well


his brother, Chase, has a decently built Cummins. we're not sure if he's adopted :laughing::laughing::flipoff2:

Ramrock
02-15-2009, 03:58 PM
Nice ride. I wish i could put some of those on my 2wd 01ctd 3/4ton.

blk87K5
02-15-2009, 05:07 PM
Your thread on cumminsforum makes my brain hurt. You did the math, your mods make sense, go for it.

We just put a set of 22.5 traction tires on my dad's 2007 5.9 with 3.73, his mileage is 8 towing a heavy load and 10-12 towing jeep/car hauler type stuff. His truck was getting 19-21 unloaded on the hwy before and 16 now. Yes, it could use a little more gear.

Fool Injected
02-15-2009, 06:52 PM
I agree. These tires are big and heavy.

MO4xer
02-16-2009, 11:07 AM
How do you like the 6.7 Cummins as it is right now have you had any problems with it?

Fool Injected
02-16-2009, 01:54 PM
I can honestly say I like it. I had to have the turbo cleaned of soot at about 7,000 miles, Im over 10,000 miles now. They upgraded my flash and this one is supposed to be better. Does not look like I'll wait long enough to see though. Already have deletes in the works.

Other than that I have had no issues. It was peppy with the stock sized tires on it, it will be peppy again soon too.

Pulls very well, is comfy, has tons of square footage in the cab!!!

Soundguy
02-17-2009, 07:10 PM
Kelso, are you still carrying your stock spare tire? Does it even do you any good at this point or did you get rid of it with your stock tires/wheels?

If you kept it and want to get rid of it (the tire only) let me know, I might be interested in buying it.

Fool Injected
02-17-2009, 07:47 PM
I'll probably sell the whole set. The guy I got the 22.5's from said I could probably get $1500-$1700 for the set. He says folks are always looking for take-offs to put back on their trucks. he may even take care of the sale for me, Im going by there Thursday so I am going to ask him about it then.

I took the truck spare off, if I get a flat on the front I just take one of the rear outers off, flip it around and bolt it on. If I get a flat (again) on the rear I just drive it.

The day I left for Florida I woke up and had a flat on the drivers outer from me checking pressures the night before and the valve not shutting all the way. I just hopped in and drove it the 30 or so miles to Strouhals with it completely flat. No problems. Even got on 288 and did 70 mph, watched it in the mirror cloas ethough.

I put my trailer spare under the truck until I can get time to mount it under the trailer deck.

Fool Injected
02-17-2009, 07:50 PM
Took the truck in today for the 4.56 gear swap. While it is there one of the guys at the shop is going to install my airbags and gooseneck hitch in trade for some left over parts from my Jeep build that I had forgotten about.


Talked to BADP yesterday. They are going to do my DPF/EGR delete via a 5" turbo back exhaust. Also am going to do an S&B CAI.

Still on the fence whether or not I want to get an Edge or Bully Dog. That will probably be an impulse buy at the time of payment for everything else.:shaking:

Soundguy
02-17-2009, 08:20 PM
I'll probably sell the whole set. The guy I got the 22.5's from said I could probably get $1500-$1700 for the set. He says folks are always looking for take-offs to put back on their trucks. he may even take care of the sale for me, Im going by there Thursday so I am going to ask him about it then.

I took the truck spare off, if I get a flat on the front I just take one of the rear outers off, flip it around and bolt it on. If I get a flat (again) on the rear I just drive it.

The day I left for Florida I woke up and had a flat on the drivers outer from me checking pressures the night before and the valve not shutting all the way. I just hopped in and drove it the 30 or so miles to Strouhals with it completely flat. No problems. Even got on 288 and did 70 mph, watched it in the mirror cloas ethough.

I put my trailer spare under the truck until I can get time to mount it under the trailer deck.

Well don't pull a Kelso and throw that OEM spare away while you're cleaning out the garage ok. :flipoff2:

shortsub
02-18-2009, 05:38 AM
You have yourself a fine looking setup .... im anxious to see the power after the mods and gears

DRM
02-18-2009, 05:42 AM
So what's the story on the EGR removal/delete? First I have heard of it...

My dad has an 06 3500 and it sure would be nice to get some additional mpg out of it.

Soundguy
02-18-2009, 06:50 AM
So what's the story on the EGR removal/delete? First I have heard of it...

My dad has an 06 3500 and it sure would be nice to get some additional mpg out of it.

Most of what we're talking about applies only to the new 6.7L Cummins, hence the reason lots of people want to stay with the older 5.9L.

slinkytj
02-18-2009, 08:17 AM
Yeah you guys suck. I'll just leave an hour ahead for Megarun so I can get there at the same time with my little 1/2 ton.... if I even find a trailer. I may be leaving 2 hours ahead and driving the jeep. That'll really limit the amount of firewood I can bring though.

Soundguy
02-18-2009, 08:20 AM
Yeah you guys suck. I'll just leave an hour ahead for Megarun so I can get there at the same time with my little 1/2 ton.... if I even find a trailer. I may be leaving 2 hours ahead and driving the jeep. That'll really limit the amount of firewood I can bring though.

Hey, mine is strictly a work truck.

Fool Injected
02-18-2009, 08:25 AM
Jodi, are you making MR, or is that too soon or during KOH?

Ryan, we can race to Gilmer!!!

Tim, plan on leaving early then. I think we are going to try and get there by 2pm so we can get about a half day wheeling in. JR said he is leaving CS at about 4am.


The DPF delete basically is just a turbo back exhaust that replaces the stock exhaust with all the emmissions crap in it. The EGR is removed and blocked off. Only needed for Blu-Tec 6.7's, does not apply to 5.9's.

Soundguy
02-18-2009, 08:27 AM
Jodi, are you making MR, or is that too soon or during KOH?

Ryan, we can race to Gilmer!!!

Tim, plan on leaving early then. I think we are going to try and get there by 2pm so we can get about a half day wheeling in. JR said he is leaving CS at about 4am.


The DPF delete basically is just a turbo back exhaust that replaces the stock exhaust with all the emmissions crap in it. The EGR is removed and blocked off. Only needed for Blu-Tec 6.7's, does not apply to 5.9's.

I won't be at the MR, I'll be back from KOH by then but I'll be in PA and MI for work that weekend.

Fool Injected
02-18-2009, 09:05 AM
But you volunteered to lead a group!!!

Soundguy
02-18-2009, 09:08 AM
But you volunteered to lead a group!!!

I already let them know to remove me, I had something come up and I can't move it. :( Besides, I didn't want to worry about taking up too much space in the Kelso parking lot in Gilmer. :flipoff2:

Fool Injected
02-18-2009, 09:08 AM
Wait Jodi, now that I think about it its not that surprising. Seems you are more of a recreational camper now than a wheeler....would not come to K-Rocks because your camper was unjust even though you still have a car hauler (guess you forgot how to camp:shaking:), wanna go to Cali so you can camp in your camper....I see a trend.:flipoff2:

slinkytj
02-18-2009, 12:19 PM
Jodi, are you making MR, or is that too soon or during KOH?

Ryan, we can race to Gilmer!!!

Tim, plan on leaving early then. I think we are going to try and get there by 2pm so we can get about a half day wheeling in. JR said he is leaving CS at about 4am.


The DPF delete basically is just a turbo back exhaust that replaces the stock exhaust with all the emmissions crap in it. The EGR is removed and blocked off. Only needed for Blu-Tec 6.7's, does not apply to 5.9's.


Dammit... I'm gonna have to take the whole day off to get there that early.

Soundguy
02-18-2009, 12:33 PM
Wait Jodi, now that I think about it its not that surprising. Seems you are more of a recreational camper now than a wheeler....would not come to K-Rocks because your camper was unjust even though you still have a car hauler (guess you forgot how to camp:shaking:), wanna go to Cali so you can camp in your camper....I see a trend.:flipoff2:

I sold my car hauler a couple weeks ago and I don't buy a new trailer every 30 days like some people I know. :flipoff2:

Don't get upset because I have the balls to try wheeling Johnson Valley in my POS TJ and you're going to the Megarun to spend most of the weekend in a parking lot with the hood open while people look over your junk. :evil:

You should be thanking me right now, if I went to the Megarun and your woman saw my new trailer you'd be buying one soon. :laughing:

southern k5
02-18-2009, 07:00 PM
Talked to BADP yesterday. They are going to do my DPF/EGR delete via a 5" turbo back exhaust. Also am going to do an S&B CAI.

Still on the fence whether or not I want to get an Edge or Bully Dog. That will probably be an impulse buy at the time of payment for everything else.:shaking:Dude, trust me wait for the Smarty.

There are a couple guys right now on Diesel Truck Resource beta testing it and are reporting they are jumping up 5-8mpg's with the egr and dpf disabled, and also b/c of the big thing thats killing MPG too, the 4th injection event, which is HUGE.
There also making huge power with it. Browns Diesel is doing a lot of testing on this (if you dont know who Brown Diesel is they have the highest horsepower C.R. in the country), but they have been running the 6.7 with upgrade turbo and injectors, with the BD and they tried the Edge. Once they put the Smarty on they said power upgrade was massive, so big they bent the rods and shattered a piston or two after a couple of dyno pulls. :eek:

So what's the story on the EGR removal/delete? First I have heard of it...

My dad has an 06 3500 and it sure would be nice to get some additional mpg out of it.
Yea taking the EGR and DPF on a 2006 will boost the MPG's by about 4-5mpg , will your under the truck take out the muffler bearings also thats another 2-3mpg's. :shaking:

jasonmt
02-18-2009, 10:50 PM
So what's the story on the EGR removal/delete? First I have heard of it...

My dad has an 06 3500 and it sure would be nice to get some additional mpg out of it.

Yea taking the EGR and DPF on a 2006 will boost the MPG's by about 4-5mpg , will your under the truck take out the muffler bearings also thats another 2-3mpg's. :shaking:

It might even be one of the ultra rare factory DPF delete trucks:evil:

southern k5
02-19-2009, 12:29 PM
It might even be one of the ultra rare factory DPF delete trucks:evil:

Yep you never know there's a couple floating around here, lucky bastards :D

shortsub
02-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Jodi, are you making MR, or is that too soon or during KOH?

Ryan, we can race to Gilmer!!!

Tim, plan on leaving early then. I think we are going to try and get there by 2pm so we can get about a half day wheeling in. JR said he is leaving CS at about 4am.


The DPF delete basically is just a turbo back exhaust that replaces the stock exhaust with all the emmissions crap in it. The EGR is removed and blocked off. Only needed for Blu-Tec 6.7's, does not apply to 5.9's.

nah Mr Kelso , there wont be any racing to gilmer ... maybe in my younger days !!! My supervisor has a megacab 6.7 that he wants to do some stuff too , maybe well get some time to talk dang ol dodge deisels while were up there .

Fool Injected
02-19-2009, 02:32 PM
nah Mr Kelso , there wont be any racing to gilmer ... maybe in my younger days !!! My supervisor has a megacab 6.7 that he wants to do some stuff too , maybe well get some time to talk dang ol dodge deisels while were up there .

Sounds good. It'll be good to wheel with ya again.:grinpimp: