Will the Warn Dana 44 Drive flange use for rear conversion work for front. If not do they have one that will. This may be a dumb question............?

You can get the stock drive slugs.
You will find them at the junkyard, on any D44 that didnt come from the factory with locking hubs.
They will consist of, a drive slug, a pressure spring, a C clip and a hub cover.

Yeah I have a set of those. I was just wondering if Warn made them or they would interchange there was a guy that had a set that I am buying a winch off of over the net for a d 44 just wondering if there rear 44 floater hubs were the same size, etc.

Same size outer slug. Different spline count.

They won't work unless you've swapped your outer stub shafts in the front for 30 spline axles.

I did it. So I have hubs on four corners that are the same and 30 spline outers for slightly more strength.

Thanks alot for the reply. I just put a new set of warns in there so I would say that I am not going to change at this time. But at least now I know.

Originally posted by bigjeepinYJ
Thanks alot for the reply. I just put a new set of warns in there so I would say that I am not going to change at this time. But at least now I know.

If you run the Warn shafts, and CTM joints, then the Warn premium hubs become the weak link. I have grenaded 4 of them, and the Warn rep is getting tired of replacing them. Lance destroyed one of them this weekend.
I only use the drive slugs now , but because the slugs only have a small section (about 5/8") of splined surface to mesh with the hubs outer splines, they will occasionaly strip out the hub splines. You can use shims to relocate the slug on a different section of the hub, but they get weaker with each failure. I stripped out another section on my driver side this weekend, and the hub now needs to be replaced.
If someone were to make a drive slug that was about an 1" thick at the splines, I would certainly be interested in buying a set of them.

Originally posted by H8monday

If someone were to make a drive slug that was about an 1" thick at the splines, I would certainly be interested in buying a set of them.

Is it possible to stack two slugs in there (or mill down one of them and have a slug and a half?) ...Or will all those splines not line up?

H8 and all,
I am running the 30 spline (D-44 full floater, rear) hubs in the front with the full floater slugs and locking hubs (not at the same time!). You get much more positive engagement. Would require the purchase of 30 spline stub shafts though... The outer hub is still the weak link, just a wee bit stronger is all.

I was running most of the Warn D-30 internal spline hub conversion kit. Swapped the rear full floater hubs on and haven't gone back since.

not all the 19 spline flanges are the same. there are thick and thin versions. Both of the QT chero 44s i have seen had the thick ones, while the later 81+ 44s had the thin ones

Originally posted by H8monday


If you run the Warn shafts, and CTM joints, then the Warn premium hubs become the weak link. I have grenaded 4 of them, and the Warn rep is getting tired of replacing them. Lance destroyed one of them this weekend.
I only use the drive slugs now , but because the slugs only have a small section (about 5/8") of splined surface to mesh with the hubs outer splines, they will occasionaly strip out the hub splines. You can use shims to relocate the slug on a different section of the hub, but they get weaker with each failure. I stripped out another section on my driver side this weekend, and the hub now needs to be replaced.
If someone were to make a drive slug that was about an 1" thick at the splines, I would certainly be interested in buying a set of them.
That was one of the reasons that I was wondering. When you look at a drive flange for a60 it is huge prob. 1" thick or more. and you get the dinky spicers and the are about 5/8" like you said. Maybe someone will see this and start to work on something. Im sure you could get one made but BLING BLING.... to that machinist.

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


Is it possible to stack two slugs in there (or mill down one of them and have a slug and a half?) ...Or will all those splines not line up?

Never tried..... might be possible?

nothing is really turning in there. the slug is basically static. What if you cut a slug in half on a band saw even?

What if you cut a slug in half on a band saw even?

There's probably no guarantee that any two flanges will have the inner and outer splines lined up exactly the same, but you might get lucky and find a set that are close enough...

not all the 19 spline flanges are the same. there are thick and thin versions.

Like JEEPRZ said, there is a thick factory slug. I found a set on a GM (I think) axle at a junkyard recently. It doesn't have the puller flange lip thing that the thin ones do. Instead, it's got two holes through it that you use to pull it out.

On a related note, is Warn the only place to get 30-spline slugs and/or hubs? I'm in the market for a set, if anyone's selling...

Chris

Originally posted by H8monday

If you run the Warn shafts, and CTM joints, then the Warn premium hubs become the weak link. I have grenaded 4 of them, and the Warn rep is getting tired of replacing them. Lance destroyed one of them this weekend.


Since you are saying you're running Warn "Premiums", why aren't you guys using Warn's new internal spline conversion hubs in your 44s?
conversion hubs (http://www.warn.com/warn.nsf/pages/TruckProducts.Axles.FrontHubOlder.html)
The hubs are one piece (not bolt-on) with the outer hub splines machined into the cones like a front 60's.
You can get them for stock Jeep and Scout 27 spline stubs AND FOR Warn 30 spline alloy stubs too.
I was told I'd probably break a yoke or drive shaft before I could break the combination of CTMs, Warn alloy shafts with 30 spline outers and the Warn conversion hubs I'm now running.

Or, Jeff, are you actually running the conversion hubs and mis-spoke by using the term "premiums" that are the bolt-on style?

Originally posted by H8monday



If someone were to make a drive slug that was about an 1" thick at the splines, I would certainly be interested in buying a set of them.

Let me know the next time you're up this way if you intend to keep the 44- I've got a set of thick flanges for ya.

Originally posted by Jaffer



conversion hubs (http://www.warn.com/warn.nsf/pages/TruckProducts.Axles.FrontHubOlder.html)
The hubs are one piece (not bolt-on) with the outer hub splines machined into the cones like a front 60's.
You can get them for stock Jeep and Scout 27 spline stubs AND FOR Warn 30 spline alloy stubs too.
I was told I'd probably break a yoke or drive shaft before I could break the combination of CTMs, Warn alloy shafts with 30 spline outers and the Warn conversion hubs I'm now running.

?

Gee, this is what I've said twice. I am running this set up.

Thick and thin slugs.

Originally posted by Grendel


Gee, this is what I've said twice. I am running this set up.

Sorry, but these posts are quite confusing, Grendel.
At first you seem to say you switched from the conversion hubs to rear full floating hubs and now are you apparently saying that you are running "this set up" which refers to my post about the conversion hubs :confused:

And H8 said he's breaking "Premiums" which are the bolt-on style and not the insernal spline conversion hubs but those slugs sure look like they belong in the conversion type.

So are the slugs for the internal spline conversion hubs or for OEM D44 full floaters?
Again, sorry if I am being dense. Just trying to follow along and learn something ...

[scouter's pic]

Mine looked like the ones on the left... And that's in an '87 Waggy 44... Now I'm confused... :confused:

Originally posted by Jaffer


Sorry, but these posts are quite confusing, Grendel.
At first you seem to say you switched from the conversion hubs to rear full floating hubs and now are you apparently saying that you are running "this set up" which refers to my post about the conversion hubs :confused:

So are the slugs for the internal spline conversion hubs or for OEM D44 full floaters?


Ok, the "Warn conversion hubs" are the rear D-44 full floater hubs, just offering them for the front in 30 spline (originally, they only offered 27 spline stub shafts) when Warn made 30 spline stub shafts ( I have set #3). OEM D-44 hubs are internal spline, IH D-44's are the exception. The only difference from stock internal spline hubs and the Warn Conversion ones? 27vs30 splines. Most stock internal OEM hubs are 27 spline.
The slugs they're showing are for OEM setups. Warn didn't reinvent the wheel. Allot of people are grabbing the hubs from Fords and Chevy's and getting internal splines.

Originally posted by Grendel


Ok, the "Warn conversion hubs" are the rear D-44 full floater hubs, just offering them for the front in 30 spline (originally, they only offered 27 spline stub shafts) when Warn made 30 spline stub shafts ( I have set #3). OEM D-44 hubs are internal spline, IH D-44's are the exception. The only difference from stock internal spline hubs and the Warn Conversion ones? 27vs30 splines. All stock internal OEM hubs are 27 spline.
The slugs they're showing are for OEM setups. Warn didn't reinvent the wheel. Allot of people are grabbing the hubs from Fords and Chevy's and getting internal splines.

That's not correct Grendel.
The stock OEM 44 internal slugs in the picture above are 19 not 27 spline. You will not find a stock 27 spline internal hub, the 27 spline hubs were all external.

Hmn, my 84 Grand Waggy front has 27 internal spline hubs and slugs covered by a chrome cap. No 19 spline.

My 86 Chevy Corp 10 bolt is the same way.

Count the splines on those pictures up there... granted you can only see half (or a little more) of the slug. The one on the left shows 16 splines for slightly more than half...

I'll put my $.02 in here.

I have the 8.8 FF kit which runs the same rear FF hubs as the d44 and I have the 5 on 5.5 hub kit on the front too. The hubs are identical except the dial on the rear has a set screw to lock it in place. I don't see any reason why a Warn drive flange would not work on the front if you have the same 30 spline internal hubs.

Here is a pic of the front hub, but I can't find one of the rear. Sorry.

http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/albums/album95/Hub_Installed_2.sized.jpg

Yep. Same thing I am doing. Except I have 44's front and rear.

Originally posted by Grendel

Yep. Same thing I am doing. Except I have 44's front and rear.

Count the splines on those pictures up there... granted you can only see half (or a little more) of the slug. The one on the left shows 16 splines for slightly more than half...


I noticed now you were counting the outside splines of the slugs, not the inside (30 spline stubs) where it really matters!

... and are you using Warn drive flanges for Warn's 30 spline stubs?
In other words, does Warn make a drive flange that fits their 30 spline alloy stubs that go with the conversions hubs?
No wonder this thread is so confusing ....:p

Please note that this is BIGjeepinJY's question in the first place~

Originally posted by Jaffer


I noticed now you were counting the outside splines of the slugs, not the inside (30 spline stubs) where it really matters!

... and are you using Warn drive flanges for Warn's 30 spline stubs?
In other words, does Warn make a drive flange that fits their 30 spline alloy stubs that go with the conversions hubs?
No wonder this thread is so confusing ....:p

Please note that this is BIGjeepinJY's question in the first place~

That was the intent of the question. I see where the confusion is also. The problem is the Inside spline count not the outer.

In other words, does Warn make a drive flange that fits their 30 spline alloy stubs that go with the conversions hubs?


Yes. Warn p/n 39340, looks just like the "thick" slug on the left in Scouter's pic above, but has a 30-spline hole in the middle instead of 19-spline. A set of 30-spline drive flanges will set you back around $180 retail, and comes with a pair of nice machined end caps (held in place with screws) to replace the cheesy press-on factory ones. Nice units; wish they were cheaper.

Warn's 30-spline internal locking hubs (with the set screws) will run you about $115 retail.

Warn lists the Grand waggy stub shafts as 19 spline.
I run the Warn 19 spline, high strength stubs. The Warn hubs I was refferring to are warns Premium hubs for 19 spline D44 axles, ie, Ford 1/2 ton, Chevy 1/2 tons, Grand Waggys, etc.
The drive slugs I am running came out of the 81 Grand Waggy that I took the axle from,...but I have found them in many years of Grand Waggy's. I like the look of the thicker slugs, I currently only have the thinner ones.

Originally posted by Aggro


Let me know the next time you're up this way if you intend to keep the 44- I've got a set of thick flanges for ya.


Ill make a trip up there anytime. I am only down in Shingle Springs.

By the way, you dont happen to know anyone with an extra 8 lug D44 hub, that they would sell do you? My hub splines on the driver side are nearly gone, and Reibes NAPA wants $240 bucks for new ones.:eek:

Well I e-mailed WARN about the idea of a 19 spline drive slug. You never know it might work if you guys would send some suggestions also, all if could do was help. Even if you werent thinking about a set now you could help get the production started.

Originally posted by Jaffer


I noticed now you were counting the outside splines of the slugs, not the inside (30 spline stubs) where it really matters!

... and are you using Warn drive flanges for Warn's 30 spline stubs?
In other words, does Warn make a drive flange that fits their 30 spline alloy stubs that go with the conversions hubs?
No wonder this thread is so confusing ....:p

Please note that this is BIGjeepinJY's question in the first place~

As someone already posted: Yes, I have a set of the rear drive slugs to use on the 30 spline outer axle in the front. As for 27 spline: Why does Warn list a 27 spline axleshaft for use with stock CJ and Scouts? The 30 spline is an option, as Warn states that requires replacing your outer stub shaft. I may be confused about the earlier junk, but the axleshaft I pulled out of my Waggy d-44 was 27 spline outer.

Originally posted by Grendel


As someone already posted: Yes, I have a set of the rear drive slugs to use on the 30 spline outer axle in the front. As for 27 spline: Why does Warn list a 27 spline axleshaft for use with stock CJ and Scouts? The 30 spline is an option, as Warn states that requires replacing your outer stub shaft. I may be confused about the earlier junk, but the axleshaft I pulled out of my Waggy d-44 was 27 spline outer.

Warn lists 27 spline for stock CJs and Scouts because they have external locking hubs. If your Waggy front 44 came stock with internal hubs (not drum brake) it has 19 spline slugs or hubs.

Originally posted by Scouter


Warn lists 27 spline for stock CJs and Scouts because they have external locking hubs. If your Waggy front 44 came stock with internal hubs (not drum brake) it has 19 spline slugs or hubs.

That's right ...
If you retain your Scout or Waggie 27 spline stub shafts when you go with the hub conversion kit, the center hole of the lock out or flange will need to be 27 spline. And if you elect to go with Warn's 30 spline stubs you need to go with the 30 spline lock out or flange (now that everyone knows they make one).
Finally, something that is simple to state!

It appears that Jeff's (H8) setup is ideal for matching the bolt pattern of his 8 lug rear 14 bolt, plus he did not have to go to the expense of buying the conversion hubs to get internal spline hubs. This proves the strength of internal spline hub type leaving the external "Premium" lock out and/or narrow flange as his last weak spot. And as I recall, a 60 is slated to go up front.
My local Warn dealer doesn't think I can break the conversion hub's lock outs (sez a yoke or DS more likely) but now at least I know I have the option of switching to (those pricey) Warn drive flanges.
Whew! Thanks guys ...

Originally posted by Scouter
Thick and thin slugs.

If those are the thick and thin, then I have some "extra thick" units at home. Magnums, if you will.

H8- Let me know if/when you want them. As for the 8lug hubs- I won't have any for another almost 2 months. I am getting 4 or 5 then.

Originally posted by Jaffer


My local Warn dealer doesn't think I can break the conversion hub's lock outs (sez a yoke or DS more likely) but now at least I know I have the option of switching to (those pricey) Warn drive flanges.
Whew! Thanks guys ...

Broke three of the lockouts in the front. Went through six of them in the rear. (have a few warrantied hubs to send in...)

Have lockouts in the front for street snow driving. Run flanges off road. Have yet to break the flanges.

Sorry about the confusion.

H8, I have a set in Mass you can have for the price of shipping. From a late 70's J-3000.