Anyone on here done this?? I searched "toyota" "22r" and "toyota engine swap". Nothing. I like the idea of the 4cyl, I dont need big v8 power and weight. I was thinking a sweet drivetrain would be: 22r,w56,toy duals (or 4.7 single case), T-100 rear, GM D44 front. With a toy pinion flange on the front you could use all toy CV drivelines, which would be nice. I think it would be a good combo on GM 52" front springs and 56" out back, sitting on 35's. Nice cruiser mild trail rig. What do you guys think? I am sure the purists will hate me, but oh well. Would like to catch a link of a similar swap if anyone has one. thanks -J

Anyone on here done this?? I searched "toyota" "22r" and "toyota engine swap". Nothing. I like the idea of the 4cyl, I dont need big v8 power and weight. I was thinking a sweet drivetrain would be: 22r,w56,toy duals (or 4.7 single case), T-100 rear, GM D44 front. With a toy pinion flange on the front you could use all toy CV drivelines, which would be nice. I think it would be a good combo on GM 52" front springs and 56" out back, sitting on 35's. Nice cruiser mild trail rig. What do you guys think? I am sure the purists will hate me, but oh well. Would like to catch a link of a similar swap if anyone has one. thanks -J

Since its physicaly smaller then the hunk of shit thats in there what makes you think its going to be hard? Too big = fitting issues. Same or smaller = EZ. Once again not rocket science.

I dont anticipate it being a difficult swap. I just would like to see one complete, and maybe hear form some experience. Likes/dislikes, maybe little things to watch out for. If memory serves, dont the 80/800's have hydraulic clutch masters stock?

Scout 80's all had hydraulic clutches stock. The t90 3 speeds on the 4 cyl all used hydraulic. The 4 spds used manual linkage and the 800a/b used a cable. IDk about the V8 3 speed on the early scout 800's.

Scout 80's all had hydraulic clutches stock. The t90 3 speeds on the 4 cyl all used hydraulic. The 4 spds used manual linkage and the 800a/b used a cable. IDk about the V8 3 speed on the early scout 800's.

and on some of the 800's like Blkscout800... he swapped in a '63 brk/clutch firewall mount.... thats the easiest way you get a 800 to go "hydralic" clutch :homer:

These things have had all kinds of engines swapped in to them. Don't ask about it, just do it! (and post pics)

I'm sure its been done, but I can't think of anyone who's actually done it.

Would probably be a good swap. Size is about right. Would be a little under powered as the 80/800 is naturally heavier than a Toy, but probably not anymore underpowered than a 152 or 196.


Stuff it in there, use the whole Toy drivedrain, then you can take advantage of Marlins offerings etc...


Heck, use the Toy axles as well and you have the option of Longfield's birfs. Stronger and lighter than any D44 or smaller axle and would be just about the right size.

I'm sure its been done, but I can't think of anyone who's actually done it.

Would probably be a good swap. Size is about right. Would be a little under powered as the 80/800 is naturally heavier than a Toy, but probably not anymore underpowered than a 152 or 196.


Stuff it in there, use the whole Toy drivedrain, then you can take advantage of Marlins offerings etc...


Heck, use the Toy axles as well and you have the option of Longfield's birfs. Stronger and lighter than any D44 or smaller axle and would be just about the right size.

yeah, i wouldnt mind toy axles, I have built toys in the rig mentioned in my sig. the only reason i say D44(GM) is because the perch width is the same and i like the stability of the wider axles. This wont get wheeled to hard, as i have another rig for that. I just want something fun to play with on the farm and cruise around in. I dont want to destroy the body on such a classic rig, there are plenty of toyotas and jeeps around to do that with.

Sounds stupid to me. I can think of 30 or 40 dozen other engines that would be more worthwile to swap in than a 22r.

Sounds stupid to me. I can think of 30 or 40 dozen other engines that would be more worthwile to swap in than a 22r.

It is stupid. But I am one of those people who likes to pull for the underdog. I think about every IH fan has to have that in them somewhere or why else would you like Scouts. I can think of 30 or 40 dozen other vehicles that make a better platform for wheeling so....

It is stupid. But I am one of those people who likes to pull for the underdog. I think about every IH fan has to have that in them somewhere or why else would you like Scouts. I can think of 30 or 40 dozen other vehicles that make a better platform for wheeling so....

And I can think of 30 or 40 other websites that give two shits about classic mallcruiser builds. :shaking:

Scout 80's all had hydraulic clutches stock. The t90 3 speeds on the 4 cyl all used hydraulic. The 4 spds used manual linkage and the 800a/b used a cable. IDk about the V8 3 speed on the early scout 800's.


No, this information is incorrect, but it doesn't matter for this build.

And I can think of 30 or 40 other websites that give two shits about classic mallcruiser builds. :shaking:

dude you know if you rode by Macy's and saw a clean built scout sittin in the parking lot, you would squeal like a little girl and pee your pants just a little. :flipoff2:

No, this information is incorrect, but it doesn't matter for this build.

why not? the reason i asked was b/c i am hoping to use the stock master to drive the toy slave.

here's a pic of my other mall crawler:
http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/42544/2606177380103920432S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2606177380103920432QUVSiG)

Here's one of my buddy's 800 we built for him:
http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/44731/2178022570103920432S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2178022570103920432UIJEbw)

why not? the reason i asked was b/c i am hoping to use the stock master to drive the toy slave.

All of the early Scout 80's had hydraulic clutch linkage and 3-speed T-90's.

Between about '64 and '68, all of them had mechanical linkages, regardless of transmission or motor.

'69-'71 800 a/b 4-cyl had mechanical linkages, V8 had cable linkages.

-Gary

All of the early Scout 80's had hydraulic clutch linkage and 3-speed T-90's.

Between about '64 and '68, all of them had mechanical linkages, regardless of transmission or motor.

'69-'71 800 a/b 4-cyl had mechanical linkages, V8 had cable linkages.

-Gary

so basically, only 80's 1963 and earlier had hydraulic?? right? what is the earliest they made the 80? 1963 is as early as i have ever seen personally, but i am not a scout guru obviously. haha

so basically, only 80's 1963 and earlier had hydraulic?? right? what is the earliest they made the 80? 1963 is as early as i have ever seen personally, but i am not a scout guru obviously. haha

Obviously. :D

Scouts were built from '61 to '80. My '64 Scout 80 came with hydraulic. It's not that hard to convert them though. If you're thinking about installing a Toyota motor into a Scout, I'm pretty sure you can handle drilling a few holes, LOL

-Gary

yeah, on the 800 above we used a wilwood pedal assembly for the brakes and hydro clutch. Its running an sm465 using a YJ slave from novak. It works but not as smooth as i would have hoped. I have also done a similar conversion on my old K5, used a universal wilwood master adapted to the stock clutch pedal in the blazer and same novak slave kit. the blazer worked about the same as the scout if not a little worse (pedal was stiff) I used the biggest master wilwood offered. I think it was mainly a geometry issue w/ the linkage but i just didnt have enough room to do anything different. Point of the story is that it would be nice to use a factory config. so that it takes the head scratching out of it. Its alot easier to build a hydraulic line than "trial and error" w/ aftermarket stuff, but if need be, i will.

Well, don't just talk about it, be about it. :flipoff2:

It all sounds feasible. Build it, take many pics and video, and report back often.

While everyone else gives you crap, seeing your post reminded me of something.

Dave from AllPhaseOffroad up in Longmont Colorado has a 22r powered comp buggy. He threw in a built C4 auto and after some testing found that the automatic gave 98% power to the chassis. Meaning having the auto/torque converter only cost 2% power. Which is pretty interesting and impressive. I don't remember how he set up his trans exactly, but getting the most out of that toy motor and putting it to the wheels will be critical for a conversion like this.

Thought you'd like to know.
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Well, don't just talk about it, be about it. :flipoff2:

It all sounds feasible. Build it, take many pics and video, and report back often.

So your saying that I should post a build thread on the 350/T350 and chevy 3/4T I'm throwing into my wife's 61 :flipoff2:

As long as it's not a "I gots some 5 ton rockwells, tj coils and log chain. Look what I'm gonna do!" or "How do I do exactly what I saw on extreme 4X4 today?" thread I say go for it.:D

Edit: Snoopy...... Read my sig!!:flipoff2:

I say go for it!!
Find the yotoytoy clutch master and use it. They work excellent in the original truck.
The 22R is an excellent engine.
I like the "keep the toy axles" idea too.
Start in and keep the digital camera handy!! POST UP !!!

I say no! Go borrow a toy with a 22R pack it full of shit until it wieghs near what the scout does STOCK go drive it around and see how happy you are/arent with the power, or lack there of.

I say no! Go borrow a toy with a 22R pack it full of shit until it wieghs near what the scout does STOCK go drive it around and see how happy you are/arent with the power, or lack there of.


Then drive a scout with a 152 and compare. most likely around the same power. I remember I could only get 50 mph out of my 152 on a looooooong ass down hill stock.

do it and post up, scouts have never been the norm so why do a normal swap.

:pEdit: Snoopy...... Read my sig!!:flipoff2:
Read your sig? What rigs you have? I know your not talking about your camo-quote. If he's going to put something with less power than stock, in a rig twice as heavy as what the motor is designed for, he's going to need all the help he can get. Besides, weren't some of you chatting about problems with that linkage/slave cylider to use? Put an auto in it, and one that keeps 98% of the power. Heck, that motor will need all the help it can get!:p

It looked like he's set on the w-56. I'd be more likely to ditch the 22r for a 4.3 and keep w-56 and dual cases than go auto. The best help for a 22r in a scout is to help it the hell out of there!!!:laughing:
But, like I said just bustin yer balls.

Oh, some gawd-awful LC engineering turbo/ stroker thing would work nicely as well.:grinpimp:

Then drive a scout with a 152 and compare. most likely around the same power. I remember I could only get 50 mph out of my 152 on a looooooong ass down hill stock.

do it and post up, scouts have never been the norm so why do a normal swap.

Hes already done a 3.4 swap to his toyota, im ASSuming he did this because he wasnt happy with the four popper power.

Hes already done a 3.4 swap to his toyota, im ASSuming he did this because he wasnt happy with the four popper power.

Correct! I have to drive my truck to the trails and the 3.4 is necessary to pull the mountains around here. For the scout though, the 152 thats in it does ok. Its not going to hit 70 mph by any means but it has decent pep down low. I figured surely the 22r has to be more powerful than it though(plus lighter). I have had several 22r trucks over the years some much stronger than others. I figured the scout would be heavier than a toy but surely not that much. Would it be a 1000 lbs heavier than say an 85 4runner? If i do it I would def have a fresh 22r to drop in maybe with some upgrades from DOA/LC but nothing too crazy. I wouldnt be in any hurry to get any where in the scout anyway...just putt around on the farm and cruise. I would do mild trails and camp out of it. When wheeling the power shouldnt be an issue w/ duals and such. IDK my buddy's 87 runner w/ a 22re is pretty gutless on 35's and 5.29's but the 88 runner i had w/ the same setup was much stouter....both stock engines. A 4.3L would be ok, but i have always felt if you're going to the trouble of that why not just do the SB b/c the gas mileage is really the same. I also just feel like if I go V8 then it opens the flood gates and i basically end up w/ just another dedicated wheeler. You all know as well as i do once the 350ci goes in next comes the sm465/th400 203/205 doubler or atlas/stak and tons w/ 40+" tires. For one, thats a hell of an expensive drivetrain, trust me I had it in a Blazer and I sold it for the toy. I just like the lighter crawler and more maneuverable. I enjoy HP as much as anyone, but just not what i want out of the scout. If I wanted that I'm sure my buddy would sell me his 800. It sports a 383ci SB making about 370 HP, dodge 60 front and 14b rear. Any way, how do they stack up? the 152 v/s the 22r?

a 3.4 would be sweet.

haha, yeah it would. That is also an expensive endeavor. Too bad ORS went out of business I doubt I could do it with out them.

Now I may be completely wrong, but it seems like the 152 would even be better for a scout on the trail just due to the design. The heavier rotating mass would "lug" better. Sure the 22r would spin up quicker and rev much higher. But the tractor engine design of the IH seems as though it would make a better off idle crawling power-plant.

But, someone ( OK most everyone) on here may know a little more and be able to better clarify this point.

Now I may be completely wrong, but it seems like the 152 would even be better for a scout on the trail just due to the design. The heavier rotating mass would "lug" better. Sure the 22r would spin up quicker and rev much higher. But the tractor engine design of the IH seems as though it would make a better off idle crawling power-plant.

But, someone ( OK most everyone) on here may know a little more and be able to better clarify this point.

yeah I agree it would but its dated and I want to gain some of the top end for highway speed.

Man I ditched my 22r and couldn't have been happier in my yota, no way I would ever put one back into something unless it was REALLY light.

If for no other reason swapping ANYTHING in not injected is just dumb IMHO. RE? Maybe, but still squirrel power is not for me unless I am in my bug that weighs about as much as I do.

...okay okay, I give up. I guess, I do have that ole piece of junk alcohol injected 572ci sittin in the back of the shop that could go in there....

Good Idea, No replacement for Displacment..... besides who has time to go camping and driving around the farm you'll be having more fun doing a motor swap:flipoff2:

...okay okay, I give up. I guess, I do have that ole piece of junk alcohol injected 572ci sittin in the back of the shop that could go in there....


Glad we could be of assistance to you!
I do believe the early scouts are approaching 5000lbs, but I may be wrong.

'69-'71 800 a/b 4-cyl had mechanical linkages, V8 had cable linkages.

My box stock 69 A V8 4sp has mechanical linkage.

...okay okay, I give up. I guess, I do have that ole piece of junk alcohol injected 572ci sittin in the back of the shop that could go in there....

We are here to help! :D:D