I am starting a 4-link rear & a 3-link front build on a scout this week.....any advise or common problems I may run into?

You can't link a scout suspension. It's impossible!!

it's never been done, thats crazy talk.

Put a SBC in it
Ask these guys http://binderbulletin.org/

I am starting a 4-link rear & a 3-link front build on a scout this week.....any advise or common problems I may run into?

Common problems:

It will never get finished and you will get burned out on Scouts.
You won't do your homework first and/or listen to what has been done in the past and end up with a POS.
You will end up with a sky high truck as you try and 'work' around the lump of iron IH used for a motor.
You will waste your time and money building a link suspension on D44 axles.


Need anything else. :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

I am starting a 4-link rear & a 3-link front build on a scout this week.....any advise or common problems I may run into?

You need to read more...

Here is one place. http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52069&highlight=link

thanks guys......:D

Well I found some galvanized conduit lying around that could use for links......:flipoff2: just thought you guys could help out?

You need to read more...

Here is one place. http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52069&highlight=link

Thank you Scott!!!!

Well I found some galvanized conduit lying around that could use for links......:flipoff2: just thought you guys could help out?
Just make sure to inhale DEAPLY when welding on that. The Galvanizing makes it stronger. :flipoff2:


Read on the board about link suspensions, get the 4-link calculator and run some numbers. Then invest the money, clean out the garage and just build it. Ugly's right, most folks have big ideals, tear the shit apart then loose steam and have a giant paper weight. Purchase all your materials/links/joints, springs/struts etc. Make a plan then just sit down and do it. You can always tweak it/redo it later if it doesn't meet your ideals.


I've had lofty ideas for a few years now, but I've avoided the tear-down till I have all the pieces in place and the time dedicated to do it.... got most of the parts now.... see me in a couple years about the time :D


The more money you have to spend on it (or the more crap/misc you have laying around), the faster and better it will be done. Leaves are cheap, links are not.

Thanks Rustoleum.....I already got all my parts together...I figured I'd get these kinda responses with one post:p

-gonna run coilovers...
8 1/2 travel rear 12 x.350 main & 4 1/2 return (5/8 shaft)
12 travel 7/8 shaft on front

.....was kinda curious if a .350 main spring would be too soft, & curious on the travel legnths as well

Thanks Rustoleum.....I already got all my parts together...I figured I'd get these kinda responses with one post:p

-gonna run coilovers...
8 1/2 travel rear 12 x.350 main & 4 1/2 return (5/8 shaft)
12 travel 7/8 shaft on front

.....was kinda curious if a .350 main spring would be too soft, & curious on the travel legnths as well

I think he posted some numbers in this thread.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226643&highlight=coil

why are you running 8 inch travel coilovers??
350 is a pretty heavy spring

why are you running 8 inch travel coilovers??
350 is a pretty heavy spring

That's what a friend runs & it works well....why shouldn't I?

Just buy mine and the chassis is done already :P

If I were rich.....that would be nice!!!!

I am starting a 4-link rear & a 3-link front build on a scout this week.....any advise or common problems I may run into?

We are now offering 3 and 4 link kits. If interested email me or call as I will be glad to provide you with a quote.
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KORNY cam (http://camslivesexy.com/cam/KORNY)

I appreciate the offer, but I already have everything i need......I think?
LOL!!!

-I am just a lil un-decided on which shock length & spring rate I wanna run?

I don't know shit about your setup, but here is what I run maybe it will help idk.

Front 4 link
17'' billstein coilovers with remote res filled to 90psi
eibach 16'' 250lb spring (main)
eibach 14'' 200lb spring
eibach spring tender
upper links are 44'' eye to eye @ 22.5*
lower links are 54'' eye to eye @ 12*
9 1/2 inches seperation (rockwell)

Rear 4 link
18'' Fox air shox 2.0 filled to 225psi
lower links are 48'' eye to eye @ 12*
upper links are 38'' eye to eye @ 22.5*
9 1/2 inches seperation (rockwell)

If I had to do it over I would/will make the rear links a tad longer, but still shorter than the front links. Also in the pic I have 2'' 1/4 wall square links and never had an issue for the short time I ran them. I now have 2'' 3/8 wall DOM on my uppers and lowers.

BTW the green heep is on 39.5 boggers just for reference......

Just buy mine and the chassis is done already :P
You should really update your ad as well as fix the link in your sig. The pictures don't work and you ad is near 2-years old.


Like Hos said, lots of history in your rig.

Thx BLK Scout........That gives me a good idea of what to base mine off of! I appreciate it!

You should really update your ad as well as fix the link in your sig. The pictures don't work and you ad is near 2-years old.

Like Hos said, lots of history in your rig.
Sory to hijack..

I will actually decided last weekend to drop in the 5.3l and th400 combo and get it running and sell it that way.

Got most everything mocked up/cut off this weekend......waiting on poly pro to deliver a few heim joints, coil overs & tube adapters:mad3:

Pics dude. Common man.

I will post some up in a few weeks, I gotta go to Houston TX Mar. 6-20. When I get back I'll post some up!

been a while.....I had to go out of town & my house flooded while I was gone:mad3: & I had to re-format my HD & lost most of my pics.......here are a few pics I took the other day.

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2161.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2163.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2165.jpg

A few more of the links & the rear truss

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2185.jpg
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2186.jpg
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2189.jpg
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2191.jpg

Sick :smokin:

Get some! Is that your TIG work on the links? :grinpimp:


I know you are obviously not done, but I'd box the front of the lower link mount on the frame with a chunk of square tubing cut at an angle so there is a "ramp" on it so it doesn't get hung up as easily.

Looks like you have the task well in hand, lookin' good.

Ya, welded them with a Maxstar 200 STR. Unfortunately, I am far from done!!!:( I just threw em' up there to check a few things. I am going to add a few gussets, & box all the lower link mounts.....also gotta do some re-work on the rear truss. brake lines, re route exhaust, damn!!!!!! gotta a lot to do!!!

Got the rear all linked up & all mounts tacked(will post pics tonight)

Going to mount the 12" coilovers on the rear as soon as I finish trimming wheel wells! making slow progress!!!! It takes longer than I had anticipated making all the link mounts, shock tabs & hoops etc.....:eek:

Got the rear all linked up & all mounts tacked(will post pics tonight)

It takes longer than I had anticipated making all the link mounts, shock tabs & hoops etc.....:eek:


You got that right...

Looks good

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2278.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2282.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2285.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2286.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2289.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2282.jpg
Please gusset the :eek: out of that.

Should you not just tack all those mounts in before cycling the suspension and checking for binding?

Ya, they are all just tacked, except for the tabs on the axles.....They should be ok in the current position(hopefully)!!! Rear truss, & frame link mounts are all just tacked.

Gonna mount the hoops & shocks this week, cycle everything & we'll see? :D

Mocked up the rear coilovers today......this is what I'm thinking, obviously just mocked up going to add bracing, gussets & gonna connect the two rear hoops with a monte carlo bar.

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2387.jpg
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2388.jpg
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2389.jpg

Mocked up the rear coilovers today......this is what I'm thinking, obviously just mocked up going to add bracing, gussets & gonna connect the two rear hoops with a monte carlo bar.


I'd notch a 90 in it so it sits on the top corner of the frame rail. Good see you adding gussets to the weak frame.

I'd notch a 90 in it so it sits on the top corner of the frame rail. Good see you adding gussets to the weak frame.


90' for sure!!!!

Nothin says hardcore build like huggies in the background :flipoff2:


J/K Sweet build man :smokin:

LOL!!!!!!!!:D Ya, I noticed that too!!! That's the wifes fail safe way for me to take out the garbage.....throw it where it's in my way & it's guaranteed to get taken out.

Huggies... :smokin:

snoopy.....I know you gotta have some huggies laying around your shop somewhere......:laughing:

One or two.

Madman fabrication with those HUGGIES their! They are great for soaking up spills!!!! Looks good... :D

Is that a stock Scout II width rear axle?
What size tires you running? :)

ya, stock width.....35" tires. There's plenty of room for the coilovers outside the frame rails, gonna run some wheel spacers just to help increase with stability. We'll see?

Where would be a good place to get some 2" wheel spacers?

Where would be a good place to get some 2" wheel spacers?

lotta options/thickness's on ebay.bought a set of 1.5's for 8 lug chebby for 90 clams shipped

FINISHED!!!!!

Drove it around a lil yesterday. The rear tires rub the coilovers a little, the wheel spacers should be here in a week or two? As of now that seems to be the only problem I've encountered so far.......As soon as the spacers get here I'm gonna twist it up a little bit & I'll post some pics & numbers for those interested.

Never happened.

If there's no pictures, it never happened.

FINISHED!!!!!
I'll post some pics & numbers for those interested.


:smokin:

:D I know.....I know......really busy now might be a few days

I would like to see finished pictures, b/c the mockups scare the shit out of me :flipoff2: I know the pics are mocked up mostly but I drive the same roads as you and would like to know what I am up against

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/LittleMoab6-21-09025.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/LittleMoab6-21-09026.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/LittleMoab6-21-09027.jpg

http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/LittleMoab6-21-09028.jpg

What is so scary about the mock-ups? This will no longer be on the road, it is strictly off-road....so you can relax

pretty sweet. Honestly when I read your first post I though it was going to be one of those threads that nothing ever happened in and you'd get flamed and never come back, you proved me, and other, wrong! Nice job..I think its funny how people were giving you a hard time and making comments in the beginning and then you go and actually build it! Just make sure you gusset EVERYTHING. If there's any question, do it. Overkill is better then not Enough! Nice Scout! You plan on going bigger in the future??

Very nice Scout now drop some cash on good seats, the ones you have will kill you:eek:

LOL! Ya, those seats are horrible! (I need fuel injection!) :D After I took it out & cycled everything there were a few issues. The upper trac bar mount had a small crack beginning on the frame, so I removed the mount, boxed it in, re-installed everything & gusseted the hell out of it.

Everything else looked good! I might re-design the lower link mounts. They seem to be good, just don't like them hanging down like they are.

Oh, weighed it yesterday.......4200 lbs

What is so scary about the mock-ups? This will no longer be on the road, it is strictly off-road....so you can relax
Well, let me first say I guess there is "good enough" design, but...

I think that UCA Mount looks sketchy, I would gusset that both down to the frame and back to the frame. http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2282.jpg

The shock hoops also seem unnecessarily sketchy...I mean sure you put a scab plate on the frame, but at a minimum I would come flat off the top of the frame and then gusset the all the way down to the bottom of the frame and fully box it. Better yet would be to have the hoops come off the top of the frame and angle out to where you need them. I know you said you were going to tie the hoops together, but I would also tie into your cage with lots of support (your cage is tied to the frame, right?)
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2387.jpg

hows the bumpsteer? :flipoff2: can you get the panhard any longer, packaging is tough but it looks crazy short (30 inches?)
The panhard mounts look unsupported, I would make sure they are well braced and gusseted, also it is hard to tell from this picture, but what does the front UCA mount look like on the axle side. from here it looks like you welded to the cast (which is fine if done right) but it doesn't look gusseted either?
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/LittleMoab6-21-09025.jpg

I am not trying to be a dick, if it runs well and you are happy fine by me. It is nice to see quick turnaround on a link project, mine damn sure wasn't quick. On the bright side, that rear truss isn't going anywhere :D:laughing:

UCA mounts-I re-engineered both of them (the origionals were sketchy)

Shock hoops- I did gusset all of them with square tubing, & connected them with a monte carlo bar

Trac/Panhard bar-It did crack a lil on the frame...I removed it, boxed in the frame, & gusseted the holy hell out of it. It is gusseted all over....upper & lower side.

....After the last pics I uploaded I did ALOT more polishing up....gussets, re-designing, beefing up etc.....

Well, let me first say I guess there is "good enough" design, but...

I think that UCA Mount looks sketchy, I would gusset that both down to the frame and back to the frame. http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2282.jpg

The shock hoops also seem unnecessarily sketchy...I mean sure you put a scab plate on the frame, but at a minimum I would come flat off the top of the frame and then gusset the all the way down to the bottom of the frame and fully box it. Better yet would be to have the hoops come off the top of the frame and angle out to where you need them. I know you said you were going to tie the hoops together, but I would also tie into your cage with lots of support (your cage is tied to the frame, right?)
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/DSCF2387.jpg

hows the bumpsteer? :flipoff2: can you get the panhard any longer, packaging is tough but it looks crazy short (30 inches?)
The panhard mounts look unsupported, I would make sure they are well braced and gusseted, also it is hard to tell from this picture, but what does the front UCA mount look like on the axle side. from here it looks like you welded to the cast (which is fine if done right) but it doesn't look gusseted either?
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/bamacpl199/LittleMoab6-21-09025.jpg

I am not trying to be a dick, if it runs well and you are happy fine by me. It is nice to see quick turnaround on a link project, mine damn sure wasn't quick. On the bright side, that rear truss isn't going anywhere :D:laughing:

How about you update your thread on how yours is working out, its been so long I don't remember if you said much about how its working since you finished it up:smokin:

....After the last pics I uploaded I did ALOT more polishing up....gussets, re-designing, beefing up etc.....

if you get a chance post up some pics...also some side shots of the links...how does it handle?

How about you update your thread on how yours is working out, its been so long I don't remember if you said much about how its working since you finished it up:smokin:

yeah, I stopped updating with pics, they all turned out shitty at 2 AM in my garage :laughing:, I'll try and dig up some pics or get some next time I am out...:D