It said in the race for " being strapped in" ???? WTF does that mean?

broke tranny 5 miles in and had to be "strapped" back to the pits

he then replace the tranny and went back out but was DNF'd because of the assistance

It means he was towed back to the pits which is a NO NO at this years KOH.

I knew that!......I just caught part of the race at work.....I'm a dumbass:shaking:

He came thru sledgehammer like a mad man fo sho!

broke tranny 5 miles in and had to be "strapped" back to the pits

he then replace the tranny and went back out but was DNF'd because of the assistance

He went right by my tent - I was wondering what happened :( Damn. I wanted to know how well IFS would do against the solid front guys. Was anyone else running IFS?

Considering he finished just over 2 hours behind first place after breaking and replacing the tranny I'd say the IFS did pretty well. I'm not sure how long he was down though. I'm assuming he drove the entire course even though he knew he was DQ because he still looked like he was racing when he crossed the finish line.

while he was doing the trails after he was dq'ed for being "strapped in" he drove over other peoples rigs who were still in the race. one car he drove over. caused them to have to end there day.

Is it true the race told him he was DQ'ed and to get off the course? but he kept going?

Is this true or bs?

Is it true the race told him he was DQ'ed and to get off the course? but he kept going?

Is this true or bs?

He was just being a "recreational off roader" after he was DQ'd, so "yes" to your 1st and 2nd question. No BS.

He was just being a "recreational off roader" after he was DQ'd.
sticky thing

just like all of the spectators, he was just riding around in the open desert

If I spent the time and money on a rig just for this event and blow a tranny and can replace it and get back and see how my work turned out... I'd probably do it to. If he interfered with any other legit racers contending with finishing before dark... that could be an issue.

I just hope the cameras were able to get some good film of him

while he was doing the trails after he was dq'ed for being "strapped in" he drove over other peoples rigs who were still in the race. one car he drove over. caused them to have to end there day.

if you mean the guy that was on his side on sledge, it didnt end his race, he finished.......it just broke the shrader valve off shock that should have been pointed inside the cage instead of the first thing to touch ground if you go over.......i like shannon but probably shouldnt have interfeared with other racers if he KNEW he was disqualified............my opinion..........he did put on a great show at the plaque on sledge either way.....

sticky thing

just like all of the spectators, he was just riding around in the open desert

If I spent the time and money on a rig just for this event and blow a tranny and can replace it and get back and see how my work turned out... I'd probably do it to. If he interfered with any other legit racers contending with finishing before dark... that could be an issue.

I just hope the cameras were able to get some good film of him


What if every rig just jumped on course and recreated with the race?

If this is a legit sport ... Then we have to follow rules..

Just because you may have a $$$ dollar rig and sponsors and pressure to finish first.. not to cool...

Just got back about 1 hour ago. When he was DQ'd, my camera guy and my self were ordered to focus on the racers still in the race. If he just happened to come by us(which he did doing about 70 on the last 3 mile go fast home section) we could get a shot. When I saw him coming, I yelled at my camera guy to get the shot doing a sweeping fast right in soft sand. He was doing about 70!

you mean this :

YouTube - Campbell; Drive Over KOH 2009 A VI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnzqch_6FSI)

ask me, he had no business doing it. he's a competitor and has been for a long time. he knew he was DQd yet chose to keep going ( thereby interferring with an ongoing race and fellow competitors ). to me, that's disrespect. it's one thing if you're out with your buddies/club/whatever having a good time. but this was during an ongoing competition and he was'nt part of it at that point in time.
i can see where shannon would be frustrated and would want to put on a show, but this is going too far.

What if every rig just jumped on course and recreated with the race?

If this is a legit sport ... Then we have to follow rules..

Just because you may have a $$$ dollar rig and sponsors and pressure to finish first.. not to cool...

I agree, hence my comments about interfering.

you mean this :

YouTube - Campbell; Drive Over KOH 2009 A VI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnzqch_6FSI)

ask me, he had no business doing it. he's a competitor and has been for a long time. he knew he was DQd yet chose to keep going ( thereby interferring with an ongoing race and fellow competitors ). to me, that's disrespect. it's one thing if you're out with your buddies/club/whatever having a good time. but this was during an ongoing competition and he was'nt part of it at that point in time.
i can see where shannon would be frustrated and would want to put on a show, but this is going too far.



BS the guy rolled over, Shannon went around him, and so did the car behind him. So if he was not DQ,d it would have been OK?? He did no wrong there.
Also, it was my transmission that I pulled out of my rig and put in his, he was told he could run the coarse for time be fore he left the pit, he also started over from the start line and finished in 4 hours 10 mins.

BS the guy rolled over, Shannon went around him, and so did the car behind him. So if he was not DQ,d it would have been OK?? He did no wrong there.
Also, it was my transmission that I pulled out of my rig and put in his, he was told he could run the coarse for time be fore he left the pit, he also started over from the start line and finished in 4 hours 10 mins.

Wrong! If Shannon was DQ'd then rolled over or not, that legitimate rig got damage that would not have otherwise happened if Shannon stayed off course like he was told.

Was that 52x he ran over?

BS the guy rolled over, Shannon went around him.

really?! i could have sworn by watching the video that the competitor in front of shannon flopped and shannon drove over part of his rig at least 3 times. :confused:

then again, i'm blind in one eye! :laughing:

Was that 52x he ran over?

yep

shannon should have had the integrity to get off the coarse when he was dq'd. what a loser in character.

if you mean the guy that was on his side on sledge, it didnt end his race, he finished.......it just broke the shrader valve off shock that should have been pointed inside the cage instead of the first thing to touch ground if you go over.......i like shannon but probably shouldnt have interfeared with other racers if he KNEW he was disqualified............my opinion..........he did put on a great show at the plaque on sledge either way.....

Hey Pete, where did you end up? I saw an awful lot of people getting Slimed at the finish line :laughing:

If Shannon "was told he could run the course for time" then he had every right to be on the course gettin it as hard as anybody.

FFS - if they said to him "go race for time but it doesent count cause you officially DQed" who in their right mind is going to not race because they 'might' effect other racers.

Shannon is only human after all.

Sam

really?! i could have sworn by watching the video that the competitor in front of shannon flopped and shannon drove over part of his rig at least 3 times. :confused:

then again, i'm blind in one eye! :laughing:

One of two things is true. Anyone that watches the video and arrives at the conclusion that Shannon went around the rig that flopped without using it for traction is either blind in both eyes or didn't watch the video.

The only reason Shannon took the high right line was because his left rear tire was hitting the rear axle of the flopped rig and did so at least once. :flipoff2:

I was right there, he was being a ass.
He also almost ran over three guy to get to that point.
The guy on his side should for cranked it over when his tire was in Shannons window new!!!!

Of all people!!! He should represent the sport better, since the sport has been very good to him.
I was told by some of the check point poeple he would not even stop and gave the the middle finger. Classy guy.

I have but one BASIC question to pose to the group----

if ANYONE not in the race, is driveing the 'HOT' course, --ANYONE- is that not a 'disrespectful', unsafe, foolish thing to do ????

what if the HUNDREDS of 'weekend wheelers' THAT WERE THERE, had driven on course during the race--- any different ????

what about a car blasting thru the pits/checkpoints at high speed and not stopping ??? a safety issue ???

is the 'Joe Blow' from montana/Canada/Mexico/Colorado/Alabama, any less of a competior than any 'name' driver ????

should then, ALL the others that 'timed out' at a check point/DQ'd for some reason, be allowed to still run the course during the 'race' ???

just cause you want to get the 'photo op' , does that make it OK ???

I saw that the guys that did NOT make the LCQ--- had the respect for the race and other racers, and that they sat on the 'sidelines' and watched---

when asked to leave the race course-- i know of only one that did not--out of the roughly 60 that 'DQ'/'DNF"---

Well said Krusty. I'm just waiting to hear the "official" story and result and repercussion. I have my opinions.

Well said.
In the pits Campbell had a big grin on his face like saying who is going to stop me. I say x him from next year. There are plenty of killer hard core wheelers out there to put on a fun ethical show with plenty of bumping going on. I feel anybody else would of been gone in a heart beat. Monster should be a bit ticked.

Also I though the rule was no helping by fans??
Did it change, cause two rigs that rolled there got pushed over by fans and finished top 5 or so.
Plenty of video on it.

If Shannon "was told he could run the course for time" then he had every right to be on the course gettin it as hard as anybody.

FFS - if they said to him "go race for time but it doesent count cause you officially DQed" who in their right mind is going to not race because they 'might' effect other racers.

Shannon is only human after all.

Sam

I'd like to know what he was told as well. They did say over the radio multiple times that "Campbell has been dq'd but is still running the course, if you see him turn him back to camp."

He added the middle finger also at the check points.
Wasn't a pretty sight to see him ripping on a guys under carriage that was up front, rolled or not back off if you are DQ'ed

BS IMO> complete disrespect for others property UNLESS the owner said go for it.

Unfortunately it sounds like a drug or rage problem.

Krusty your dead on though. More should have been done to remedy the unfairness of the situation

I was right there, he was being a ass.
He also almost ran over three guy to get to that point.
The guy on his side should for cranked it over when his tire was in Shannons window new!!!!

Of all people!!! He should represent the sport better, since the sport has been very good to him.
I was told by some of the check point poeple he would not even stop and gave the the middle finger. Classy guy.

Unfortunately the guy on his side used to look up to shannon. Too bad. Bad choices usually result in bad outcomes. I think he should be banned.

Shannon...that was completly disrespectful. You ran into a COMPETITOR'S rig. YOU WERE NOT A COMPETITOR at that point. You blatantly interfered with an on-going race. You could have damaged another person's rig. Potentially ruining his chances at finishing the race. You were disqualified. You lost a lot of respect for your actions. Bullshit. You suck.

BAN HIM FROM THE NEXT RACE.

He added the middle finger also at the check points.


You should find a way to verify that from the check personnel before you repeat something that may not be true. I've spoken with 4 friends that worked other check points that Shannon blew through and none of them mentioned getting the finger from him.

Almost run over, but that's it.

After hearing about how great a guy he is for all these years, this is probably the best way to tell everyone a big "F-U"

If what happened this year IS true, reputation or not, he should be banned from Hammers events in the future.

You should find a way to verify that from the check personnel before you repeat something that may not be true. I've spoken with 4 friends that worked other check points that Shannon blew through and none of them mentioned getting the finger from him.

Almost run over, but that's it.


He was disqualified...kicked out...not supposed to be there.....not his race anymore.....lost.....broke......done for.....should have been drinking a beer.

Well said.
In the pits Campbell had a big grin on his face like saying who is going to stop me.

I'm fairly neutral at this point, but I'm trying to figure out why you have such a hard-on for Campbell???

IMNSHO extrapolating any words or sentiment from an expression on a competitors face during a pit stop is pure bullshit, especially when you came up with what you did.

For all you know, he just finished a nice healthy dump and was happy about it.

At our road crossing we actually had a spectator in a pick-up bump one of our staff to move him out of the way to cross in front of a racer on the course and ask us what the fuck we were going to do about it.

He looked nothing like Shannon.




I say x him from next year. There are plenty of killer hard core wheelers out there to put on a fun ethical show with plenty of bumping going on. I feel anybody else would of been gone in a heart beat. Monster should be a bit ticked.

Also I though the rule was no helping by fans??
Did it change, cause two rigs that rolled there got pushed over by fans and finished top 5 or so.
Plenty of video on it.

Why don't we wait until we get some sort of official ruling from Dave and Jeff before we get the tar all the way melted and the pillows cut open?

He was disqualified...kicked out...not supposed to be there.....not his race anymore.....lost.....broke......done for.....should have been drinking a beer.

Really? What if Dave and Jeff said he could run the course for time figuring after his late start there was no way he would catch anyone?

Really? What if Dave and Jeff said he could run the course for time figuring after his late start there was no way he would catch anyone?
his nuts must be huge if this guy is still hanging on:D

EDIT: I saw your post in general also about manning CP1, im just trying to crack a joke :flipoff2:

Sounds like he didn't get told to stop really but I still don't think his actions were representative of the values sponsors want you to carry.

You should find a way to verify that from the check personnel before you repeat something that may not be true. I've spoken with 4 friends that worked other check points that Shannon blew through and none of them mentioned getting the finger from him.

Almost run over, but that's it.


I didnt see him flip us off at check 6 but that may be because, "Shit, hes not slowing down, move" was the only thing I was paying attention to at the time. His was the only vehicle that didnt stop at our check point. Everyone else we saw was awesome.

Like Blaine, Im completely neutral. In the end, Im sure Jeff and Dave will do what they need to to make next year better.

Really? What if Dave and Jeff said he could run the course for time figuring after his late start there was no way he would catch anyone?

Really. I know a couple of rigs he passed were never below number 15 in line. you really think they thought he couldn't catch up to them?

No worries mrblaine after walking down from the action that is what the four guys said stading at the check point he went through.
So believe it or not, the rest is on plenty of video's.

Hard on for Campbell?? Interesting...
He was grabbing spotlight from the real racers..
Sorry if you have something going with him.
Maybe it ticks me off cause we have the same last name!!

Also it wasn't a pit stop, it was the end of the race in the pits, but we can go with your story if you like.

I guess if you are going to run a race with what....90+ folks in it that have invested thousands of dollars in a rigg and come from all over the US and other counties....you better figure out what disqualified means and get it in writing so this isn't an issue anymore.:rolleyes:

We need a clear answer to this: was he told he could run the course for fun, or was he told he had to sit out? Hopefully someone who was there and heard what was said will get on here and answer that soon, before this thread blows up.

And I really didn't like what I saw in that video. Complete disrespect for the driver of the flopped buggy (isn't that Will Carter's #?), and complete disrespect for the racer behind him. Not a classy move, no way. Now, if he was in the race, then that wouldn't be as bad, but I would hope no one would blatantly drive over another rig in that situation, unless the other driver gave the ok. Very poor sportsmanship on Shannons part.

What I think is really bad is in the other thread it was metioned volunteers had already started sweeping the course when he came flying through at race speeds.

Really? What if Dave and Jeff said he could run the course for time figuring after his late start there was no way he would catch anyone?

They probably figured he could get back in it and put on a show for the fans. Every body wanted to see Shannon. I dont think they wanted him to act like a wild man either. For what it is worth, I was a fan of Shannon. After I saw the pics and video of what he did to Will Carter (52x) then I dont need to support that type of person or action. I really hope he eventually talks about his actions at KOH 2009 and explains why.
Not a fan anymore
Mike

Really. I know a couple of rigs he passed were never below number 15 in line. you really think they thought he couldn't catch up to them?

No, I don't know what they thought and neither do you. That's my whole point.

I will bet any amount of money though, if he did have permission to be on the course, he wasn't told to hold back and not pass anyone. :flipoff2:

They probably figured he could get back in it and put on a show for the fans. Every body wanted to see Shannon. I dont think they wanted him to act like a wild man either. For what it is worth, I was a fan of Shannon. After I saw the pics and video of what he did to Will Carter (52x) then I dont need to support that type of person or action. I really hope he eventually talks about his actions at KOH 2009 and explains why.
Not a fan anymore
Mike

If you don't like what Shannon did to 52x and are now ready to string him up, you best make sure that rope is long enough to get the other two that did the same thing.

Shannon was neither the first or last guy to use him for traction.

I was at the BFG pit when he came through. The BFG crew were all yelling and signaling him to quit, his race was over. He ignored them. He inored his crew and risked the safety of a lot of people hauling ass in a pit area. That's not racing, that is a dangerous driver who is going to kill someone.:mad3: There were 200 to 300 people in that pit, all there to help in the race. From his actions it was clear he could care less about any of them.:mad3::mad3::mad3:

No, I don't know what they thought and neither do you. That's my whole point.

I will bet any amount of money though, if he did have permission to be on the course, he wasn't told to hold back and not pass anyone. :flipoff2:

Blow others chance for a fair finish so you can make sure your ego comes out as big as your ......:homer:

No, I don't know what they thought and neither do you. That's my whole point.

I will bet any amount of money though, if he did have permission to be on the course, he wasn't told to hold back and not pass anyone. :flipoff2:

I don't know if we can believe anything from people that bring pallets for fire wood :shaking: :flipoff2::flipoff2:

If you don't like what Shannon did to 52x and are now ready to string him up, you best make sure that rope is long enough to get the other two that did the same thing.

Shannon was neither the first or last guy to use him for traction.

My problem with shannon is that he was DQed and he new that he was DQed. IF he was racing then its a battlefield out there. Best man wins, survival of the fittest

you mean this :

YouTube - Campbell; Drive Over KOH 2009 A VI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnzqch_6FSI)

ask me, he had no business doing it. he's a competitor and has been for a long time. he knew he was DQd yet chose to keep going ( thereby interferring with an ongoing race and fellow competitors ). to me, that's disrespect. it's one thing if you're out with your buddies/club/whatever having a good time. but this was during an ongoing competition and he was'nt part of it at that point in time.
i can see where shannon would be frustrated and would want to put on a show, but this is going too far.

I was at the BFG pit when he came through. The BFG crew were all yelling and signaling him to quit, his race was over. He ignored them. He inored his crew and risked the safety of a lot of people hauling ass in a pit area. That's not racing, that is a dangerous driver who is going to kill someone.:mad3: There were 200 to 300 people in that pit, all there to help in the race. From his actions it was clear he could care less about any of them.:mad3::mad3::mad3:


Damn, wonder if BFG gave him a talking to after he got back in :shaking:

so his official time wasn't even right anyway since he didn't stop at the checkpoints like everyone else?

Damn, wonder if BFG gave him a talking to after :flipoff2:got back in :shaking:

My god ...what an a hole:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2: No respect for that guy.

his nuts must be huge if this guy is still hanging on:D

I've known Shannon and the Curries since before he campaigned Pinky in the first Cedar City ARCA event. I have enjoyed knowing both of them well enough to withhold judgement until I know for sure.

EDIT: I saw your post in general also about manning CP1, im just trying to crack a joke :flipoff2:

No worries

Sounds like he didn't get told to stop really but I still don't think his actions were representative of the values sponsors want you to carry.

I don't know if there was any contact with Shannon while he was on course from Race HQ. I do know for certain that the call came over the KOH frequency to all of us at various time to stop him and and get him off the course.

Unfortunately the road crossing we were working on the backside was a total madhouse. None of the spectators would stay off the course and were trying to cross at a bad bottleneck so I don't have a clear timeline of when I heard the first call. I was monitoring two radios trying to keep idiots off the course and listen to the KOH frequency at the same time.

It sure doesn't look like any of the spectators in the video were upset with what he did.

What I think is really bad is in the other thread it was metioned volunteers had already started sweeping the course when he came flying through at race speeds.

Yes, but they were never in any real danger and if you can't hear Shannon's rig soon enough to get out of the way, you probably need a good running over.

Our check was a good mile plus from the sand saddle and we heard him top out when he got there.

so his official time was even right anyway since he didn't stop at the checkpoints like everyone else?

His official time would be the 5 minutes he ran (or whatever it was) before he was DQ'd.

There was quite a bit of changing the rules throughout the race......initially no help at all, and towards the end, any and all spectators can and were helping. It was also said only pit at the designated pit areas, and then later, BFG relay was saying you could get parts out to remote locations.... depended how you got them there though...... seems like some serious issues with the growth. This event was a ton bigger than last year.

As for Shannon, he was fast, had a point to prove... and was most likely being a little unsafe. The big question is if he was allowed to run for time? ??

I was at the BFG pit when he came through. The BFG crew were all yelling and signaling him to quit, his race was over. He ignored them. He inored his crew and risked the safety of a lot of people hauling ass in a pit area. That's not racing, that is a dangerous driver who is going to kill someone.:mad3: There were 200 to 300 people in that pit, all there to help in the race. From his actions it was clear he could care less about any of them.:mad3::mad3::mad3:

I guess you missed the starting line of the race? I was there in a green vest and trying to keep the crowd of 3 or 500 back out of the way was a futile effort.

Point being, I'm not condoning hauling ass through the pits, but I am finding difficulty reconciling the safety aspect against what I saw at the starting line. It's only pure luck, grace and good driving that kept some of those rigs out of the crowd going over that berm.

Or are the folks working the pits less expendable?

There was quite a bit of changing the rules throughout the race......initially no help at all, and towards the end, any and all spectators can and were helping. It was also said only pit at the designated pit areas, and then later, BFG relay was saying you could get parts out to remote locations.... depended how you got them there though...... seems like some serious issues with the growth. This event was a ton bigger than last year.

As for Shannon, he was fast, had a point to prove... and was most likely being a little unsafe. The big question is if he was allowed to run for time? ??

If they let him slide you might as well have a cattle call on drivers at the starting line and let them beat each other up.....make it derby, rock and desert blow out...no rules attached. Best man come back alive.

I don't know if we can believe anything from people that bring pallets for fire wood :shaking: :flipoff2::flipoff2:

That's not right.




















We burned the evidence. :flipoff2:

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Someone else using a competitor as a crutch.... haha

I was at sledge.

I was yelling and cheering, for Campbell to do EXACTLY what he did.

I could semi accurately say that about 100-150 people yelled EXACTLY what I did. PASS HIM! PASS HIM! even before he flopped we were hoping to see him make a new line as others did on Aftershock.

He did TRY hard to not even touch the other rig. the other rigs driver didnt get out of his rig. Nor did he have to. He in therory would have been DQ'd anyways, right? Since about 5 people or more, help push him back over. On aftershock it was clearly told to camo that he could NOT have even 1 person touch his rig or he was going to be DQ'd, buy officials on the trail. So he had to try with his co driver for about a hour to right it. He lost alot of time due to that. Yet later on on the trail everyone that needed anythign was getting it from anywhere it seemed. THAT SHOULD BE THE CONCERN HERE!

My problem with shannon is that he was DQed and he new that he was DQed. IF he was racing then its a battlefield out there. Best man wins, survival of the fittest

Bingo. It wasn't necessarily the fact that he ran over Will's rig, it was that he wasn't even in the race.

And if someone told him that he could go ahead and run the course anyways, that was a bad decision on their part.

I was at sledge.

I was yelling and cheering, for Campbell to do EXACTLY what he did.

I could semi accurately say that about 100-150 people yelled EXACTLY what I did. PASS HIM! PASS HIM! even before he flopped we were hoping to see him make a new line as others did on Aftershock.

He did TRY hard to not even touch the other rig. the other rigs driver didnt get out of his rig. Nor did he have to. He in therory would have been DQ'd anyways, right? Since about 5 people or more, help push him back over. On aftershock it was clearly told to camo that he could NOT have even 1 person touch his rig or he was going to be DQ'd, but officials on the trail. So he had to try with his co driver for about a hour to right it. He lost alot of time due to that. Yet later on on the trail everyone that needed anythign was getting it from anywhere it seemed. THAT SHOULD BE THE CONCERN HERE!



Yup...agreed!!!

I was at sledge.

I was yelling and cheering, for Campbell to do EXACTLY what he did.

I could semi accurately say that about 100-150 people yelled EXACTLY what I did. PASS HIM! PASS HIM! even before he flopped we were hoping to see him make a new line as others did on Aftershock.

He did TRY hard to not even touch the other rig. the other rigs driver didnt get out of his rig. Nor did he have to. He in therory would have been DQ'd anyways, right? Since about 5 people or more, help push him back over. On aftershock it was clearly told to camo that he could NOT have even 1 person touch his rig or he was going to be DQ'd, but officials on the trail. So he had to try with his co driver for about a hour to right it. He lost alot of time due to that. Yet later on on the trail everyone that needed anythign was getting it from anywhere it seemed. THAT SHOULD BE THE CONCERN HERE!

But the guy on his side there did not even have an opportunity to right it before being driven over.

Looks like they need to work out some rules.

Actually the main idea is that....a dq'd guy ran over him before he had a chance to right himself.

Actually the main idea is that....a dq'd guy ran over him before he had a chance to right himself.

Actually when you think about it...all rules wnet out the window when they realized a dq'd guy was still running the race. What the hell....who cares....go for it everybody.

But the guy on his side there did not even have an opportunity to right it before being driven over.

Looks like they need to work out some rules.

Very true! about the rules...

I think the driver heard the hype, saw who was there behind him and just did what I would have. Followed along for the crowd, the hype, the SPORT and the event.... just rode it out and hoped he would pass fast and then get back to it. I would say that about 3 maybe 5 rigs prior to shannon in therory are DQ'd anyways. and thats the last real trail that he could have screwed with any standings on. They all were getting cable pulled for them, wrenches handed to them, rigs turned back rubber side down, etc....

Actually the main idea is that....a dq'd guy ran over him before he had a chance to right himself.


Unless I am mistaken? The driver never HAD TO get outa his rig. the crowd flopped it back over for him...

PS yes I was there for this

No. Main idea: a dq'd guy ran over him.

I was at the pit, it was my tranny that we put in his car, he was told he was dq but could run for time. He did not hurt one competitor. The video on sledged, yea he went around ,AFTER it rolled and so did other drivers go around and use him for traction. were they just going to sit there and wait for a recovery?? come-on guys get over it.. He was told he could run then someone halfway through said no.

guess I should bitch and moan becauses i was dq'd because I had outside help be fllipped back over but others were not!!! I won't it is what it is and its over with, be back next year

I was at the pit, it was my tranny that we put in his car, he was told he was dq but could run for time. He did not hurt one competitor. The video on sledged, yea he went around ,AFTER it rolled and so did other drivers go around and use him for traction. were they just going to sit there and wait for a recovery?? come-on guys get over it.. He was told he could run then someone halfway through said no.


I guess we'll all get over it now. he didn't go around. he went over. he was never going to place. he should have backed off. he could run for time the day after.

I guess you missed the starting line of the race? I was there in a green vest and trying to keep the crowd of 3 or 500 back out of the way was a futile effort.

Point being, I'm not condoning hauling ass through the pits, but I am finding difficulty reconciling the safety aspect against what I saw at the starting line. It's only pure luck, grace and good driving that kept some of those rigs out of the crowd going over that berm.

Or are the folks working the pits less expendable?

No mrblaine I was at the start and heard Jefe yell at the crowd at the top of his lungs to move back. Stick to the point.

I have no idea if you were at the driver's meeting. At that meeting we were all told to keep the speeds down in the pits. Campbell was at that meeting, standing in the front. He decided to disregard the rule involving pit areas that is present in ALL forms racing. This wasn't Baja where the crowds put themselves on the outside of high spped corners or dileberately place themselves in danger. Even in those situations, the divers that have been involved in accidents with the crowds were devistated. Why would anyone condone the actions of someone who risked disaster.:shaking:

I guess we'll all get over it now. he didn't go around. he went over. he was never going to place. he should have backed off. he could run for time the day after.

Then I guess the guy right behind him should have backed off also.???

you don't know what the guy behind him might have done if he weren't there. Shannon changed the race outcome by being there. The crowd might not have flipped that guy back over and the guy behind might not have had the guts to pass that way. shannon was not a ghost rider that day....his running for time....changed the outcome of events that lead to changed outcomes in the race.

And if someone told him that he could go ahead and run the course anyways, that was a bad decision on their part.

Here you go-

That is not true I was helping change the tranny when one of the officials came to the pit and asked if shannon drove in or was towed and we told him shannon was towed in knowing he would be disqualified and we told him he just wants to run the course for time and he said just make sure he knows he was disqualified and that was before we pulled the first tranny out. It seems to me thay could have stop us before we pulled both trannys out and put the good one back in it took us a little over two hours to do it. I also was at the first check point when thay stopped shannon and then waved him on.

Actually the main idea is that....a dq'd guy ran over him before he had a chance to right himself.

The first guy that ran over him was not DQ'd. Shannon was second in line.

I'm looking forward to hearing what happens. That changes my thinking in that respect....all except that he shouldn't have been out there in the middle of competitors. It still changed the dynamics of the race just because he was still physically there.

you don't know what the guy behind him might have done if he weren't there. Shannon changed the race outcome by being there. The crowd might not have flipped that guy back over and the guy behind might not have had the guts to pass that way.


Wait were YOU THERE!? ok point made!

I was. That wasnt the first rig that the crowd helped significanlty, nor was it the last, just in that one area of one trail....

I'm looking forward to hearing what happens. That changes my thinking in that respect....all except that he shouldn't have been out there in the middle of competitors. It still changed the dynamics of the race just because he was still physically there.

How did it change the race, if shannon was not there the car in frt. would not have rolled?? :shaking::shaking:

No mrblaine I was at the start and heard Jefe yell at the crowd at the top of his lungs to move back. Stick to the point.

I am sticking to the point. Your point was that it was unsafe for him to speed in the pits, but not unsafe to speed through a crowd of spectators. I don't see the distinction. And yes, I heard them yell for everyone to get back, about 15 minutes after I was sent down the left side of the line to move them back.


I have no idea if you were at the driver's meeting. At that meeting we were all told to keep the speeds down in the pits. Campbell was at that meeting, standing in the front. He decided to disregard the rule involving pit areas that is present in ALL forms racing. This wasn't Baja where the crowds put themselves on the outside of high spped corners or dileberately place themselves in danger. Even in those situations, the divers that have been involved in accidents with the crowds were devistated.

Did you miss the part where he was told he could go run for fun?

Why would anyone condone the actions of someone who risked disaster.:shaking:

Condone the actions of anyone risking disaster??? Are you kidding? Just entering this race was risking disaster. Working a check like we did as volunteers was risking disaster. Standing near the start line when they let them go was most assuredly not the safest thing I've ever seen.

I guess you think all those cool shots the photographers get are totally without risk as well?

I had my guys get bumped by spectators in pick-ups when we were trying to keep them off of a hot course and I'm suppose to believe one racer is more of a disaster?

At the end of the day, it's up to Dave and Jeff to sort it out and I fully trust they will do it perfectly regardless of the vigilanteism anyone around here participates in.

I'm not condoning him blowing the checks or speeding through the pits or him being unsafe. What I said was, if safety was such a huge concern and someone should be banned for lack thereof, then the start line should have been configured differently. I have to balance both aspects to arrive at a final conclusion and I think I'll leave that decision in the hands of those who are in control.

At the end of the day, it's up to Dave and Jeff to sort it out and I fully trust they will do it perfectly regardless of the vigilanteism anyone around here participates in. . . . and I think I'll leave that decision in the hands of those who are in control.


Key point right here, regardless of what any of us think. We all have our bits and pieces of info; these two guys will pull it together, see if mistakes were made, make adjustments and move on.

Heres my vid just cause

YouTube - 2009 KOH Shannon Campbell drives over 52x Will Carter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x82Fz7gljeA)

And heres one previous to the Shannon one.

YouTube - 2009 KOH FAILED pass attempt! Awsome action and competion on Sledgehammer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEiRAPcJYsQ)

so is Bumping another off the obstacle ok then???

The first guy that ran over him was not DQ'd. Shannon was second in line.

Are you sure of that? The video orangefj45 posted clearly shows the Monster green M on the hood at 1:23 as well as the gecko on the roof on the first car. Looks like Shannon was first in line to me.

shannon should have had the integrity to get off the coarse when he was dq'd. what a loser in character.

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just got back home an hour or so. Was defenetly something to see! I did lose alot of respect for shannon he was DQ'd about 2 hours befor that dickish pass on sledghammer. should have waited since the others were still in the race but instead just drove right on them causing damage to the competing rigs! Very poor sportsmanship there in my opionion

Are you sure of that? The video orangefj45 posted clearly shows the Monster green M on the hood at 1:23 as well as the gecko on the roof on the first car. Looks like Shannon was first in line to me.

Yup Shannon was the first one to drive over the 52x. the next guy followed him but was more carefull to stay off of the 52 as much as possible and do it in a safe manner! Shannon just didnt care and had no respect for anyone around there that he could have injured!

I am sticking to the point.
Not even close:rolleyes:

At the end of the day, it's up to Dave and Jeff to sort it out and I fully trust they will do it perfectly regardless of the vigilanteism anyone around here participates in.

I'm not condoning him blowing the checks or speeding through the pits or him being unsafe. What I said was, if safety was such a huge concern and someone should be banned for lack thereof, then the start line should have been configured differently. I have to balance both aspects to arrive at a final conclusion and I think I'll leave that decision in the hands of those who are in control.

A ban or any sort of action is completly up to the promoters. There is risk and danger in every desert race. We all have to do our best to minimize that risk. Just because he was given the green light at the start to run the course for "fun" dosen't mean the rules of safety were thrown out the window. When he was signaled to stop at RM42, why continue?

Hopefully an open discussion like this ends future recklessness. I'll leave it at that.

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just got back home an hour or so. Was defenetly something to see! I did lose alot of respect for shannon he was DQ'd about 2 hours befor that dickish pass on sledghammer. should have waited since the others were still in the race but instead just drove right on them causing damage to the competing rigs! Very poor sportsmanship there in my opionion

So you are saying that everybody behind this guy should stop when they come up to him. That is like saying everybody should stop behind the wreck in Nascar as to not cause more damage making sure everybody gets back on the track and back in the race. Or how about in the Baja race when a driver rolls on the course. The racers that come up behind him should stop and make sure the car can continue in front of him. This is racing.....you pass people to get in front of them, and if they do crash or roll, it makes it easier to beat them in the race.

As far as Shannon passing in Sledge, that is not the first time that sort of thing has happen, nor will it be the last. Mustard Dog passed the other buggy last year using him to not roll over and nobody said anything about that last year.

And about the pit speed. They said not too fast in the pits but didn't specify a speed limit in there. So a safe speed to one driver is too fast/slow to another. They should have specified a speed limit in there.

Are you sure of that? The video orangefj45 posted clearly shows the Monster green M on the hood at 1:23 as well as the gecko on the roof on the first car. Looks like Shannon was first in line to me.

I've seen two videos and one of them showed that Shannon was the second guy through.

So you are saying that everybody behind this guy should stop when they come up to him. That is like saying everybody should stop behind the wreck in Nascar as to not cause more damage making sure everybody gets back on the track and back in the race. Or how about in the Baja race when a driver rolls on the course. The racers that come up behind him should stop and make sure the car can continue in front of him. This is racing.....you pass people to get in front of them, and if they do crash or roll, it makes it easier to beat them in the race.

As far as Shannon passing in Sledge, that is not the first time that sort of thing has happen, nor will it be the last. Mustard Dog passed the other buggy last year using him to not roll over and nobody said anything about that last year.

And about the pit speed. They said not too fast in the pits but didn't specify a speed limit in there. So a safe speed to one driver is too fast/slow to another. They should have specified a speed limit in there.


Racing is racing..... I don't think people have a problem with that. That is what people go to see. It has to do with the fact that Shannon was DQ.

Not even close:rolleyes:

Really? What was the posted speed limit in the pits then? :shaking: :shaking: :shaking:

A ban or any sort of action is completly up to the promoters. There is risk and danger in every desert race. We all have to do our best to minimize that risk. Just because he was given the green light at the start to run the course for "fun" dosen't mean the rules of safety were thrown out the window. When he was signaled to stop at RM42, why continue?

Not stopping was wrong after the race officials called out over the radio for him to be stopped. But that's it. That doesn't turn him into Jason in a hockey mask behind the wheel of a race car.

Hopefully an open discussion like this ends future recklessness. I'll leave it at that.

By open, you mean tar and feathering?

As far as Shannon passing in Sledge, that is not the first time that sort of thing has happen, nor will it be the last. Mustard Dog passed the other buggy last year using him to not roll over and nobody said anything about that last year.



It happens a LOT, it's part of this race. This isn't about the guy having his rug run over, it's about him having is rig run over by a NON-RACER.

Racing is racing..... I don't think people have a problem with that. That is what people go to see. It has to do with the fact that Shannon was DQ.

DQ'd and given permission to run for fun.

DQ'd and given permission to run for fun.

As I said in another thread....... if the people in charge make rules they need to stick by them. If rules are made by the people in charge then people need to follow them. I think they should have never given that permission, but when given the permission to "run for fun" he should have been a little more respectful of those still competeing. Watch the video of him trying to get past and the next rig trying to get past, there was a lot more contact and skinny pedal used by Shannon the the next guy.

Watch the video of him trying to get past and the next rig trying to get past, there was a lot more contact and skinny pedal used by Shannon the the next guy.

Wonder if the IFS is part of the reason it looked/was harder for him to get passed.

Wonder if the IFS is part of the reason it looked/was harder for him to get passed.

I was kind of wondering that myself.

So I was at Koh this year, I was an LCQ'er that didin't get in the race unfortunatly. I broke a rear Y-link and was done, I was able to fix it probably 2 hours after getting back to the pits, I wasn't aware I could then run the course the next day, for time.:shaking: And get in the way of other racers changing the outcome of the race. Maybe next year I will just show up and race the course like shannon did since after he was Dq'ed he should have just been another spectator. Like I was after not qualifying for the main. So I was fortunate enough to camp/pit next to will and get to know him through out the week and wheel a little with him, and he is a great guy. So we decided to keep an eye on him throughout the race. He was doing great considering he is a privateer with no corporate backing like Shannon. I was right there when Will flopped on his side he sat patiently waiting for Tom Wayes to get out of the way he didn't ram him and run over wayes to get through. So after he went over, the course official came up and told him he was in the middle of the course and if spectators flipped him back over and he made no forward progress, he would allow it and it would result in no DQ. Before we could round up enough people Shannon came through and tried about four times to get through and beat the shit out of will's rig. Will didn't even know what was going on, he yelled to me "who is ramming me!!" and I told him it was campbell and he said I thought he was outta the race!!! So after shannon f-ed his shock off we talked to will at the end of the race, and he wasn't able to go over 15mph and was then passed by numerous other racers (still in the race) costing him finishing postitions. Well anyways my opinion of him has changed, he should go find another sport better suited to his style, like demolition derby or something. I think maybe next year when I get in the race shannon should watch out, he may just become traction.

As I said in another thread....... if the people in charge make rules they need to stick by them. If rules are made by the people in charge then people need to follow them.

Agreed 100 percent.


I think they should have never given that permission,

Also agreed.


but when given the permission to "run for fun" he should have been a little more respectful of those still competeing. Watch the video of him trying to get past and the next rig trying to get past, there was a lot more contact and skinny pedal used by Shannon the the next guy.

Can we really define levels of contact in this race even by someone not technically in the race? He ran over him, I don't think how hard really matters?

As far as being respectful, I don't think there is a single person that knows the Campbell name that doesn't know how competitive they are. If you give him permission to go back on the course, you have to believe he's going to give it hell otherwise, why do it?

wow what a fucking dick!

I think a little contact is part of the sport. but being dq'd and then feeling it necessary to break one guys rig while blocking the course (>1minute) for another driver is pure bs. :mad3:

This makes me wonder how you people would stick up for someone that was DQ'd and ran over someone in the pits or slammed into a rig pulling out of them because he had something to prove.....

If he had permission to run for fun or not, what he did was pathetic.

"Run for fun" does not equal getting involved with people still in the race.

I wonder if he would have run if they told him that he didn't have permission to "run for fun" but has that even be proven yet?

WOW, the nut sningers are in full force here. I bet half of your guys would literally blow Shannon.

Me, I'm disgusted and will never pull for Campbell again. His head is too big and they need to ban him from next years race.

What kind of tard runs IFS anyway. :laughing:

That was a pretty low and sorry ass move by Shannon. He was out of the race.....why was he in such a damn hurry that he had to run into another person's rig in the manner he did. Poor sport....

he put lives in danger,blocked/delayed others. disreguarded check point people telling him to stop. I would BAN him FOR LIFE ! He's going to kill someone.

I think a little contact is part of the sport. but being dq'd and then feeling it necessary to break one guys rig while blocking the course (>1minute) for another driver is pure bs. :mad3:


I agree ... I think that contact is and should be allowed. If someone is stuck a bump will do, or driving over a broke down rig that is uprighted is fine. A rig that is on its side with driver/spotter in car. Thats where I would have to draw the line. There should be fines involved just like there is in other sports for not being safe. Who knows if the driver might have been trying to get out of the rig and then gets pinned between a rock and the cage do to someone hitting it. What then .... would it be worth it all for the knowledge of completing the course. Don't get me wrong ... I think highly of Shannon and that won't change, but sometimes competing gets the best of us all.

my 2pints.

wow what a fucking dick!

Probably the most eloquent summary of all.


What kind of tard runs IFS anyway. :laughing:

Hey now!!! :flipoff2:

DQ'd and given permission to run for fun.

I was at the pit, it was my tranny that we put in his car, he was told he was dq but could run for time. He did not hurt one competitor. The video on sledged, yea he went around ,AFTER it rolled and so did other drivers go around and use him for traction. were they just going to sit there and wait for a recovery?? come-on guys get over it.. He was told he could run then someone halfway through said no.

Who told him he could run? When? It sounded to me, from the radio, that once he even started going through checkpoints they were yelling at the CPs to try and stop him. Then when he came back by the finish for the u-turn, he was stopped by Jeff and talked to for quite a while. I can understand him being told he cculd run at that point, but it sure seemed like he didn't have permission before that.

Racing is racing..... I don't think people have a problem with that. That is what people go to see. It has to do with the fact that Shannon was DQ.

Exactly. It's weird to me that so of you can't understand this. If he hadn't been DQ'ed there wouldn't be as much of an uproar about this. Noone cares about another competitor blocking someone on an obstical, or whatever. It's the fact that Shannon did it after he was DQ's, and this is no different than if I had done it in my 4runner, or if Billy Bob Whoever from Barstow did it, etc.

Anyway, I was one of the ones who didn't care that Shannon was running, and I actually cheered him on. I understood that he was running DQ'ed, but in my naivety I assumed he would stay out of the way of other competitors. Seeing him run over someone who had rolled as well as blocking the person behind him isn't staying out of the way.

Having said all that, I feel I should stick up for Shannon now. What he did was more competitor driven than ego driven in my opinion. Shannon is one of the friendliest guys out there competing; he'll BS with anyone, give you a beer, tell you everything you want to know about his rigs, give out skins to fans, etc. But when he's on a course he's as competitive as anyone. I don't think he ran to get the attention, I think he ran to show he would have won, and that's all. He would have been just as happy at the finish if he was ignored by everyone. I guess I could be wrong but I feel, having talked/hung out with him numerous times over the years, I probably know him at least better than a lot of the web wheeler making character judgement based solely on a youtube video.

I'm not saying he was right to do what he did, and I am ashamed I cheered him on after seeing how he did affect the outcome, and I wouldn't even be against him getting a year ban. BUT, he wasn't in some drug fueled, ego driven rage. I'm pretty sure he was just showing what he and his rig could do.

Damn, wonder if BFG gave him a talking to after he got back in :shaking:

They gave him a hat instead; just like they gave every one who finished on BFG tires.

I hope Shannon finds this thread and reads this post.

All I have to say is what an Asshole. I'm sure he'd be singing a different tune if while he was changing a tire last year I drove my jeep onto the course and ran into his rig causing it damage. The course should have been closed to anyone not competing and someone should have stopped him before he interfered/changed the outcome of the race. I have just lost all respect for the guy.

And about the pit speed. They said not too fast in the pits but didn't specify a speed limit in there. So a safe speed to one driver is too fast/slow to another. They should have specified a speed limit in there.


you are wrong... i was at that drivers meeting and they did specify a time, it was 25 mph... though most did not have speedo's... they did have gps units that gave them mph...

you are wrong... i was at that drivers meeting and they did specify a time, it was 25 mph... though most did not have speedo's... they did have gps units that gave them mph...

I'll confirm this.


I'll also say that the organization of the BFG pit was poor. The pit would have been better placed on a straight away parallel to the course. I will admit I had cell coverage at the BFG pit and I have no idea if that was a factor at choosing the location. It seems driver's confusion on entering/exiting and the potential of bypassing part of the course was overlooked.

But I can play devil's advocate to my own argument and say that we did our homework, knew what to do and did not have any issues with pitting procedures.

No mrblaine
I have no idea if you were at the driver's meeting. At that meeting we were all told to keep the speeds down in the pits.

This brings up an interesting point. I was the one person that was at the far end of the pits,where the cars first enter and then exit pit lane. I did not attend the drivers meeting so I do not have first hand knowledge of what was said.However,as I was setting up to handle my station I asked Jeff,twice ,where I should set up the line to slow the cars to 25 or pit speed.He told me that the pit speeds were open,that the only time I needed to slow them was at the end of the race when they came in the second time.

Very true! about the rules...

I think the driver heard the hype, saw who was there behind him and just did what I would have. Followed along for the crowd, the hype, the SPORT and the event.... just rode it out and hoped he would pass fast and then get back to it. I would say that about 3 maybe 5 rigs prior to shannon in therory are DQ'd anyways. and thats the last real trail that he could have screwed with any standings on. They all were getting cable pulled for them, wrenches handed to them, rigs turned back rubber side down, etc....

that is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE......it was told to me before the race that spectators could roll race vehicles back on there tires and nothing else.....i was at sledge at the plaque for the first 20 or so racers and i NEVER saw anything from the crowd except rolling back the few that went over and A LOT of advise being yelled out, hahaha.......i never saw any winch pulling EXCEPT the guy that broke his steering and would have blocked the trail FOREVER if we (the crowd) didnt help him winch it off the trail.....ALL the guys that went over did NOT know the rule that it WAS legit to be rolled back over....i had to convince them.....scherer was upside down with the cage wedged under a boulder and couldnt get free, i told him we could roll him over but he believed it would DQ him and wouldnt let us touch it....finally i bent his radio antenna up and made him call and get the ruling....seconds later we righted him and he was off just as the second place guy showed up, ....my point being : the story about people being illeagilly helped at this area is NOT TRUE....this is NOT second hand BS...i was there

Here's another vid of Shannon's pass, it's alittle long.

YouTube - KOH 09 Campbell/Holder passing Carter 52x (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFv6tTVPYEs&feature=channel_page)

for argument's sake and until the whole story comes out. It appears much better from the above vid that Shannon was definitely doing whatever he could to stay off the car. He tried to get higher and higher and slid down into it.

As far as the DQ thing. I'm sure some other guys got DQ'd and maybe some got DQ'd after they finished. I know on the radio traffic, that Jeff stated some things would be looked at AFTER the finish if it was questonable about the DQ. If shannon's DQ was remotely questionable, it would be a bitch if he didn't get to compete and it come back that he was OK to run.

How did it change the race, if shannon was not there the car in frt. would not have rolled?? :shaking::shaking:

the point is that the shrader valve broke off his left front shock (air shock) when shannon passed him.......the point, if shannon not there the next guy probably gives the crowd 30 seconds to right the guy and get by without incedent and makes the pass and both guys are still driving the race with 100% on there rigs and not one with a broken shock......................and yes i know the guy shouldnt have the shrader valve being the first thing to touch the ground when the rig goes over....im positive he will have the valves pointed inside next time..............

.......and yes i know the guy shouldnt have the shrader valve being the first thing to touch the ground when the rig goes over....im positive he will have the valves pointed inside next time..............



you would think...but I have been pointing that out to guys for years and yet it is still a common practice.

If shannon's DQ was remotely questionable, it would be a bitch if he didn't get to compete and it come back that he was OK to run.

His crew told me,to my face,that they knew that they were DQ'd when they were changing the trans.I asked if they were towed in or drove in under their own power.They stated "towed in", and I relayed that info to Shaun who then relayed it to RC.

i never saw any winch pulling EXCEPT the guy that broke his steering and would have blocked the trail FOREVER if we (the crowd) didnt help him winch it off the trail.....

Are you talking about the aztec orange single seat the broke after passing the 4WP Toyota?

I was below gatekeeper but will admit that was a necessary recovery.


If shannon's DQ was remotely questionable, it would be a bitch if he didn't get to compete and it come back that he was OK to run.

If he questioned his own DQ then why wouldn't he stop at the required checkpoints???

the point is that the shrader valve broke off his left front shock (air shock) when shannon passed him.......the point, if shannon not there the next guy probably gives the crowd 30 seconds to right the guy and get by without incedent and makes the pass and both guys are still driving the race with 100% on there rigs and not one with a broken shock......................and yes i know the guy shouldnt have the shrader valve being the first thing to touch the ground when the rig goes over....im positive he will have the valves pointed inside next time..............

If the guy was righted by spectators he is DQ'd so he is out of the race anyway.

If the guy was righted by spectators he is DQ'd so he is out of the race anyway.

in that case he was righted after Shannon ran his rig over and his shock was broken. :shaking:

If the guy was righted by spectators he is DQ'd so he is out of the race anyway.

Not according to this:

that is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE......it was told to me before the race that spectators could roll race vehicles back on there tires and nothing else.....i was at sledge at the plaque for the first 20 or so racers and i NEVER saw anything from the crowd except rolling back the few that went over and A LOT of advise being yelled out, hahaha.......i never saw any winch pulling EXCEPT the guy that broke his steering and would have blocked the trail FOREVER if we (the crowd) didnt help him winch it off the trail.....ALL the guys that went over did NOT know the rule that it WAS legit to be rolled back over....i had to convince them.....scherer was upside down with the cage wedged under a boulder and couldnt get free, i told him we could roll him over but he believed it would DQ him and wouldnt let us touch it....finally i bent his radio antenna up and made him call and get the ruling....seconds later we righted him and he was off just as the second place guy showed up, ....my point being : the story about people being illeagilly helped at this area is NOT TRUE....this is NOT second hand BS...i was there

If the guy was righted by spectators he is DQ'd so he is out of the race anyway.



wrong. 100% and absolutely incorrect statement.


spectators are allowed to right a rolled vehicle.

From my understanding of baisically all motorsports once you are dq'ed you get your ass off the course!What Cambell did in sledge is totally wrong if in fact he was out of the race at the time. Bann his ass Cambell or not,if it would have been one of the privateer racers or one of the les well known racers they would not cut him any slack! Just my .02!

you would think...but I have been pointing that out to guys for years and yet it is still a common practice.

Hey now, no common sense is allowed in a tar and feathering thread. :p

for argument's sake and until the whole story comes out. It appears much better from the above vid that Shannon was definitely doing whatever he could to stay off the car. He tried to get higher and higher and slid down into it.

No, its not. If you were there, you'd know there were 2 lines, the far left up a ridge of rock or way high far right. Shannon was inches from running over 5-6 spectators, who had to literally jump out of the way to move in time, when he initially tried to pass 52x, who was waiting for someone to clear the ledge. Upon having shannon start driving over him on the right, he jumped forward to cut him off. He tried the line, flopped and shannon gave him about 5-10 seconds on his side before giving it a shot. 52x tried the far right line and slid down left and flopped when his driver rear didnt hold the line. As spectators were coming to flip him over (which took 30 secs max for others) shannon started up. Shannon was not careful and peeled out on him multiple times before finally slamming his way through. Was it entertaining? You bet. Was it a dick move, absolutely. When the next racer came through, he took one try and passed fairly cleanly. I have no problems with passing someone when they're flopped, however, this was a very tight spot, and given a few seconds, could have possibly been cleared. The fact that Shannon was no longer a racer and was being so aggressive, more so than any rig I watched go through, was the problem I had. Thats why I have no problem with the second racer coming through, he passed a downed rig cleanly because he was in the chase for a spot. As soon as shannon was peeling out on him and not making it after multiple tries, he should have backed off for a second and let the crowd right him. Bump him up from behind once righted? No problem, he needed it, as did many many rigs there.

His crew told me,to my face,that they knew that they were DQ'd when they were changing the trans.I asked if they were towed in or drove in under their own power.They stated "towed in", and I relayed that info to Shaun who then relayed it to RC.



If he questioned his own DQ then why wouldn't he stop at the required checkpoints???
I didn't hint that he was questioning it. Instead of jumping to assumptions, I'm merely trying to provide objectivity.

Had Shannon's deal been questionable and it's told that the final decision will be by Jeff and Dave after the race, all else remaining the same, it would be a bitch to not run. (because it appears that some DQ's might be questionable and radio traffic made it appear that decision would be made after the end) The point I made is that the rules apparently allow for someone who might be possibly DQ'd to continue to run because the final decision will be made after the race is completed.

It appeared that the decision was made and every attempt was made to get him off the course and I think that Jeff might have even talked directly to him.

Again, my point is about DQ'ing and running, not whether he knew or not.

No, its not. If you were there, you'd know there were 2 lines, the far left up a ridge of rock or way high far right. Shannon was inches from running over 5-6 spectators, who had to literally jump out of the way to move in time, when he initially tried to pass 52x, who was waiting for someone to clear the ledge. Upon having shannon start driving over him on the right, he jumped forward to cut him off. He tried the line, flopped and shannon gave him about 5-10 seconds on his side before giving it a shot. 52x tried the far right line and slid down left and flopped when his driver rear didnt hold the line. As spectators were coming to flip him over (which took 30 secs max for others) shannon started up. Shannon was not careful and peeled out on him multiple times before finally slamming his way through. Was it entertaining? You bet. Was it a dick move, absolutely. When the next racer came through, he took one try and passed fairly cleanly. I have no problems with passing someone when they're flopped, however, this was a very tight spot, and given a few seconds, could have possibly been cleared. The fact that Shannon was no longer a racer and was being so aggressive, more so than any rig I watched go through, was the problem I had. Thats why I have no problem with the second racer coming through, he passed a downed rig cleanly because he was in the chase for a spot. As soon as shannon was peeling out on him and not making it after multiple tries, he should have backed off for a second and let the crowd right him. Bump him up from behind once righted? No problem, he needed it, as did many many rigs there.

he backs up and gets farther right at least twice and slides down into the car

If the guy was righted by spectators he is DQ'd so he is out of the race anyway.

you are 100% WRONG and dont know what your talking about.....sorry i didnt sugarcoat that for you..............spectators ARE allowed to roll rigs back on there tires and that is all they can do.........yes FACT...get over it....

My only question is why was the rule changed from last year?

Had it stayed the same the outcome of the 09 race would have still been the same. Except maybe more cars would have finished. The top 5 still would be the top 5. And we wouldn't be arguing the actions of what Shannon did.

I don't condone what Shannon did but I do question why the rules were changed.

he backs up and gets farther right at least twice and slides down into the car

And? I'm saying thats just how you get through, he wasn't trying to stay off of him. He knew if he wanted to get through he'd have to get higher right. He tried going high right, slides down onto the guy and peels out. That doesn't sound like "doing whatever he could to stay off the car." Doing all he could to stay off the car would be NOT TRYING TO PASS, or at least not peeling out when he did slide into him.

If the guy was righted by spectators he is DQ'd so he is out of the race anyway.

This is the ONLY grey area.

1) Getting assistance from other competitors...isn't outside assistance. They can bump, pull, winch, whatever necessary to help you if they choose to do so. Including giving you parts and/or tools.


2) If you flop and spectators or course officials roll you over... you are good to go. Now if you flop and one of those spectators spare tires magically falls onto your car... you're out

posted in the cheating thread

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=728637

The cheating thread

So, who gave Shannon permission to run?

So, who gave Shannon permission to run?

The race organizer Jeff Knoll

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=728637

The cheating thread

so the pirate board is the rule book now ! Its ok because its on the board ? what about the red card ( no outside assistance ) I just dont get it

hmmm... lotsa drama to read about.... I wasn't there... but here's some insight....

For years in comps.... peeps have been called for a dq and gone on to finish the obstacle/course and discuss the DQ later.... cause sometimes there is confusion about the call and people make errors.

For years, people have been allowed to make a run or finish a course for exhibition purposes.

I decided not to run KOH... for a variety of reasons.... but IF I was there and I became car 52... I would EXPECT to get fully rubbed in the same exact way. The course is full of bottlenecks... if you stop moving you transition from being a racer to being part of the course. That's the very NATURE of this race.

The dudes shock failed because of the vulnerability he designed into the car... we don't know if it happened as soon as he rolled or other... but it happened because the shrader was vulnerable.

I won't make any judgement on any fellow racer without all the facts.... (And those who know me know I'll call out BS racer behavior when it happens... as I've done in the past)

If one person in some official capacity told me I could get back out there and run... even though my score wouldn't count, I would've... especially with the adrenaline thing going.... and I would've given it my best shot. Some racers are there to "say they were there" while others are there to do there best every time... I know what type Shannon is.

Peace

so the pirate board is the rule book now ! Its ok because its on the board ? what about the red card ( no outside assistance ) I just dont get it

That's Dave Cole's post.

i wonder how this thread would have turned out if it was Lippy Larry and not Stupid Shannon involved in this clusterfuck?:shaking:

Race organizers messed up for sure. In any race, safety has to be priority at Checkpoints and Start/Finish lines. Stupid Shannon glaringly ignored safety at these areas as EYEwitnessed by several in this thread.
Absolutely, he should be banned for his very unsportsmanlike behavior at check points and Pit stops.

As to the racing. Anything goes on course as Camo has stated. i agree.
The only problem with Stupid Shannon passing that guy in the video is that he did not even allow that team a CHANCE to extract themselves. Camo, you can make all the balls to the wall excuses in racing you want but there is no way you can convince me that what Stupid Shannon did was cool. IF and i do mean IF that flopped team was in the process of unbuckling and climbing out than what Stupid Shannon did at that moment is not racing but utter disregard for the confirmed safety of another team.

He should be banned from KOH.
Race organizers need to be better prepared next year and i am sure they will.

And the worst part about the 'pass'. It was not only done hastily (not allowing that team a CHANCE at recovery) but it was done by someone that was DQ'ed and could have shown a tad more professionalism in WAITING a few more minutes.

I have read an lot about dq's if the rules stated that if u were pulled into pits or what ever they were stated should be followed should not have mattered who it was be it Shannon or the least known of the KOH racers, make rules for this type of an race an stick to them have an staffmember at each out reach pit orwhere might have some issues. I had an lot respect for shannon till read this stuff now do not.

I have read an lot about dq's if the rules stated that if u were pulled into pits or what ever they were stated should be followed should not have mattered who it was be it Shannon or the least known of the KOH racers, make rules for this type of an race an stick to them have an staffmember at each out reach pit orwhere might have some issues. I had an lot respect for shannon till read this stuff now do not.



so you lost respect for a racer because the race organizer allowed him to continue racing ?

In my opinion Shannon did exactly the same thing I would have done.

he continued his race until he was able to meet face to face with one of the 2 race organizers. dave cole or jeff knoll. he did that and was allowed to continue.

he made a clean pass on a rolled over racer. game on.

so you lost respect for a racer because the race organizer allowed him to continue racing ?

In my opinion Shannon did exactly the same thing I would have done.

he continued his race until he was able to meet face to face with one of the 2 race organizers. dave cole or jeff knoll. he did that and was allowed to continue.

he made a clean pass on a rolled over racer. game on.


So even though he was told to get off course and turn around By race channel? Game on?

If Jeff was the one that told Shannon to keep racing, then who was yelling on the radio telling people to get Shannon off the course??

he wasnt turned around by race organizers . he was told he could continue for time only .

In any race, safety has to be priority at Checkpoints and Start/Finish lines. Stupid Shannon glaringly ignored safety at these areas as EYEwitnessed by several in this thread.

Absolutely, he should be banned for his very unsportsmanlike behavior at check points and Pit stops.
. i agree.


The only problem with Stupid Shannon passing that guy in the video is that he did not even allow that team a CHANCE to extract themselves. .


1. safety was a priority and I don't see any evidence that anybody including shannon acted otherwise.


2. this was a race and no racer is going to stop and give the guy in front of him a chance to right himself. :shaking: there were more then enuff spectators present to deal with the roll over after the bottle neck cleared up.



In desert racing the common practice when you come upon a rolled vehicle all alone in the middle of nowhere is to get a thumbs up from the driver or co-driver which indicates that the people are not badly injured. then continue on your way. nobody stops and helps them out. that is up to the rolled team to figure out.

he wasnt turned around by race organizers . he was told he could continue for time only .

AND he was told to stop after that. Many times. And was discussed on your radio. Many times.

"Shannon, they wan't you to stop. There's gonna be a bunch of people at the pits trying to stop you - just keep going"...

"They said there's gonna be a severe penalty if you keep going"...

So man up and just say the Campbell Ent. Team chose to put on a show and say fuck you to the consequences and take your medicine. No whining about red cards, he said this, etc. You made a decision-live with it. Good or bad.

hmmm... lotsa drama to read about.... I wasn't there... but here's some insight....

For years in comps.... peeps have been called for a dq and gone on to finish the obstacle/course and discuss the DQ later.... cause sometimes there is confusion about the call and people make errors.

For years, people have been allowed to make a run or finish a course for exhibition purposes.

I decided not to run KOH... for a variety of reasons.... but IF I was there and I became car 52... I would EXPECT to get fully rubbed in the same exact way. The course is full of bottlenecks... if you stop moving you transition from being a racer to being part of the course. That's the very NATURE of this race.

The dudes shock failed because of the vulnerability he designed into the car... we don't know if it happened as soon as he rolled or other... but it happened because the shrader was vulnerable.

I won't make any judgement on any fellow racer without all the facts.... (And those who know me know I'll call out BS racer behavior when it happens... as I've done in the past)

If one person in some official capacity told me I could get back out there and run... even though my score wouldn't count, I would've... especially with the adrenaline thing going.... and I would've given it my best shot. Some racers are there to "say they were there" while others are there to do there best every time... I know what type Shannon is.

Peace

it didnt break the shrader until the added contact......

If Jeff was the one that told Shannon to keep racing, then who was yelling on the radio telling people to get Shannon off the course??


they were not telling shannon to get off course. they were trying to figure out what was going on and what to do about it.

to be clear....the radio traffic you heard was not the race organizer talking to shannon directly.

1. safety was a priority and I don't see any evidence that anybody including shannon acted otherwise.


2. this was a race and no racer is going to stop and give the guy in front of him a chance to right himself. :shaking: there were more then enuff spectators present to deal with the roll over after the bottle neck cleared up.



In desert racing the common practice when you come upon a rolled vehicle all alone in the middle of nowhere is to get a thumbs up from the driver or co-driver which indicates that the people are not badly injured. then continue on your way. nobody stops and helps them out. that is up to the rolled team to figure out.

I see the point you are making Camo, BUT:laughing: In desert racing is it common practice for a DQ'd racer to delay a competitor who is still in the race?

Again, I see where you are coming from, but you don't seem to address that since Shannon was out, most are of the opinion that he doesn't have the same status as the other racers at that point.

Some racers are there to "say they were there" while others are there to do there best every time... I know what type Shannon is.

Peace

So do I and I agree with you. I noticed several teams that were just putting along, not being aggressive at all. It is a race and Shannon is a racer, driver's like him make it worth watching, and put a grin on my face making me wish I too could participate.

With that being said being parked in the rock sections of KOH would drive me ape shit if I was racing. I can't stand being parked on I-15 and I'm not in a race.

But as a DQ'd racer you have to use more discretion than what was used.

Had the tables been turned and a DQ'd driver injured Shannon's rig shit would have hit the fan.

AND he was told to stop after that. Many times. And was discussed on your radio. Many times.

"Shannon, they wan't you to stop. There's gonna be a bunch of people at the pits trying to stop you - just keep going"...

"They said there's gonna be a severe penalty if you keep going"...

So man up and just say the Campbell Ent. Team chose to put on a show and say fuck you to the consequences and take your medicine. No whining about red cards, he said this, etc. You made a decision-live with it. Good or bad.

yes thats true they did say to stop ! he did ! He talked to jeff knoll at the pits . I guess you missed that part . Get your facts straight before shit talking someone

camo i think your waaaay off........i thought the move was totally legit at the time but knowing now that he was out of the race.....and the officials were trying to get him off the course and he was BLOWING through checkpoints......are you sure you want to CONDONE this behavior???? think about it before you blast me......isnt this supposed to be the premiere rock event....or total caos???

camo i think your waaaay off........i thought the move was totally legit at the time but knowing now that he was out of the race.....and the officials were trying to get him off the course and he was BLOWING through checkpoints......are you sure you want to CONDONE this behavior???? think about it before you blast me......isnt this supposed to be the premiere rock event....or total caos???

Why does everyone keep saying he was blowing through check points . BS

[QUOTE=MITCH G;9495220]yes thats true they did say to stop ! he did ! He talked to jeff knoll at the pits . I guess you missed that part . Get your facts straight before shit talking someone[/QUOTE

Was that during the trans replacement?

[QUOTE=MITCH G;9495220]yes thats true they did say to stop ! he did ! He talked to jeff knoll at the pits . I guess you missed that part . Get your facts straight before shit talking someone[/QUOTE

Was that during the trans replacement?

No after you come off of backdoor then to the pits

Why does everyone keep saying he was blowing through check points . BS

I was at CP 7. He did NOT blow through. He stopped.

I'm not from the west coast and never been to Baja or any major automobile race, but competitors don't run over spectators. Spectators get their selfs run over. There is a whole canyon you can pic a safe place to stand, you don't have to stand on the other side of a burm that every 300+hp vehicle is gone be tryin to hit hard as possilbe. The pits is another story, he was wrong for that. As far as running over another competitor wasn't right either. Or you could look at it like he was trying to keep things from gettin clogged up worse.

Why does everyone keep saying he was blowing through check points . BS

They are saying that because he was blowing check points. I know of two personally from discussions with friends that worked them.

I was at CP 7. He did NOT blow through. He stopped.

He blew 5 and 6 for sure.

camo i think your waaaay off........i thought the move was totally legit at the time but knowing now that he was out of the race.....and the officials were trying to get him off the course and he was BLOWING through checkpoints......are you sure you want to CONDONE this behavior???? think about it before you blast me......isnt this supposed to be the premiere rock event....or total caos???



if it was me racing I would have continued to race until I was told by the race organizer I was out. As far as I know the first official shannon saw was Jeff Knoll who allowed him to continue. the pass on sledge happened after he was allowed to continue. seems like fair game to me.

no comment at this time on shannon regarding check points because I don't have first hand knowledge of it.



sort of reminds me of Riveria racing not stopping for the cops in the Baja 500 after breaking mexican laws...oh but the difference was Riveria racing still won the race...TOTAL CHAOS!!!

moral of the story...race until you get to the finish line and sort out the drama AFTER the race.

He blew 5 and 6 for sure.

So he blew 5 and 6 then decided to stop at 7 come awn

it didnt break the shrader until the added contact......

But it wouldn't have been damaged if it had been turned to the inside like it should have been. It's silly to point them to the outside in a race where a flop is practically guaranteed.

YouTube - KOH2009 Shannon Cambell Pass SledgeHammer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_DuVRZ4lXs)


Camo you are full of yourself... This is BS i see no thumbs up run over me fucker....

You and Cambell both disapiont me as a specatator....:shaking:

Why does everyone keep saying he was blowing through check points . BS

so your saying he stopped at every checkpoint??? earlier on this thread a checkpoint guy said otherwise......just asking

if it was me racing I would have continued to race until I was told by the race organizer I was out. As far as I know the first official shannon saw was Jeff Knoll who allowed him to continue. the pass on sledge happened after he was allowed to continue. seems like fair game to me.

no comment at this time on shannon regarding check points because I don't have first hand knowledge of it.



sort of reminds me of Riveria racing not stopping for the cops in the Baja 500 after breaking mexican laws...oh but the difference was Riveria racing still won the race...TOTAL CHAOS!!!

moral of the story...race until you get to the finish line and sort out the drama AFTER the race.


Face it man KOH will never be Baja...get over it.

How did it change the race, if shannon was not there the car in frt. would not have rolled?? :shaking::shaking:

Todd, just like I said on the on the other forum, I'm bummed for the outcome of the LCQ. You have a great attitude about it's just racing and you'll be back.

I have to disagree on Shannon though. I'm a fan of his for years. I've lived walking distance from his shop is for 12 years now and remember the first time I realized it was there and stopped by. Let's just say for a minute that the guy that he used for traction was effectively out of the race. Let's also say the guy let him use him for traction. What about the guy that was behind Shannon waiting his turn for the obstacle? I haven't heard anyone mention him yet, though I'm only halfway through this thread at the moment. That guy certainly was still a legal competitor in this race and he was having to wait for Shannon (a dq'd competitor) to finish the obstacle so he could attempt it. There's one thing running for time but I believe this running for time should not (as others have said) affect the overall outcome of the race. In this case the guy behind him was twiddling his thumbs as Shannon was running the obstacle he should have been running at that moment in time.

Mike

When will an OFFICAL Announcement be released from the people who ran the event of what actually went on.?.?.

It would be nice to hear it from them if they gave Shannon permission to continue or not......

if it was me racing I would have continued to race until I was told by the race organizer I was out. As far as I know the first official shannon saw was Jeff Knoll who allowed him to continue. the pass on sledge happened after he was allowed to continue. seems like fair game to me.

no comment at this time on shannon regarding check points because I don't have first hand knowledge of it.



sort of reminds me of Riveria racing not stopping for the cops in the Baja 500 after breaking mexican laws...oh but the difference was Riveria racing still won the race...TOTAL CHAOS!!!

moral of the story...race until you get to the finish line and sort out the drama AFTER the race.

it was the baja 250 and yes that was CHAOS!!! but it was NOT the officials trying to stop him it was dumass local PD, and post was in the right....in this case even though the race officials let him continue for "fun"(?)(what a terrible decision) do you you think rigs that are NOT in the race should be interfearing with ones that are????

so your saying he stopped at every checkpoint??? earlier on this thread a checkpoint guy said otherwise......just asking

what im saying is , what would be the purpose of him to blow checkpoints ? this is kind of a he said she said point , unless there is video of him . what is blowing a checkpoint not a complete stop ? I saw many many cars do that

But it wouldn't have been damaged if it had been turned to the inside like it should have been. It's silly to point them to the outside in a race where a flop is practically guaranteed.

Hell its even more silly to have a DQ'ed racer out on the course and allowed to interfere with racers that are still in the race. the valve was not damaged in the initial roll. It was however damaged when a DQ'ed Shannon Campbell amde contact with Will in 52x.

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So he blew 5 and 6 then decided to stop at 7 come awn

so you're saying that those that have posted first hand accounts in other threads are lying?

So he blew 5 and 6 then decided to stop at 7 come awn

I don't know what happened at 7. I do know what happened at 1, 5 and 6. I worked 1 and he stopped for us. 3 different friends worked the other two and at our camp that evening they told us he blew through their Checks.

Here's a cut and paste from his PM to me about it- I'll leave his name out unless he tells me otherwise.

---If any of us had been at the position we had been to stop racers, someone could have gotten hurt. I told our group to stand back and let him go and he never got off the gas, even though we had a 90 deg turn just before the check to slow them down.---

That's from someone I trust not to lie to me, so take it however you like.

I lost respect that one guy has said he was towed to an pit by what was said that was an dq, so maybe the rules need to be made more clear or go with what is written an every one follow the same standard. I was not there but but sounds like an lot of mis conception on rules from all over. an if he was towed an that was not allowed then yes feel that there is an double standard from what i can see. I know only the second or third KOH, but there needs to be an fixed set of rules an following them. I will retract this statement if can be proved he was not towed an that was not dq.

so you're saying that those that have posted first hand accounts in other threads are lying?

Apparently he doesn't believe us even though we were standing right there with our green vests on.

YouTube - KOH2009 Shannon Cambell Pass SledgeHammer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_DuVRZ4lXs)


Camo you are full of yourself... This is BS i see no thumbs up run over me fucker....

You and Cambell both disapiont me as a specatator....:shaking:



I never said that the driver in this case gave them a thumbs up. I was merely stating that in desert racing when...oh never mind your reading comprehension disappoints me. :shaking:

DQ'd is DQ'd. He shouldn't have been out there running over other competitor's rigs and causing damage, which caused problems on a non-DQ'd comptitior's ability to finish. Will Carter kept his cool. Had it been me and a DQ'd competitor ran over my rig and damaged it, I would have thrown the largest wrench at him I could find, Shannon or anyone else. Its all about respect for those that are actually still competing.

If my rig was run over by someone still in contention and not DQ'd, then that's racing and I wouldn't have any problem with it. I'd do the same thing, but would never run over a rig still in the race if I was DQ'd, but maybe I'm too nice and have too much integrity and respect...

If Shannon was told he could race for time but couldn't win, then thats a bad move on the organizers, so Shannon isn't completely at fault.

Apparently he doesn't believe us even though we were standing right there with our green vests on.

I was not there at every check point . let me ask you, if you guys were running a check point why would you not stand in front of him and stop him ? isnt that what you do ? was he going to fast for you . was he the only one on course going fast?

Apparently he doesn't believe us even though we were standing right there with our green vests on.



man are you confusing me.


I thought you said he stopped at the check point you were at in your green vest ?

Sure a hell of a way of going from being the race/fan favorite to another Outlaw jerk in a matter of minutes. Anyone remember when Billy Bob ran over that guys rig in the box? Remember the outrage? I 100% understand running over someones rig while racing but Shannon was NOT racing. Maybe in his own mind he was but officially he was a spectator at that point. I don't know the guy and we all have lapses in judgement but man, he really blew it at a bad time.

I was not there at every check point . let me ask you, if you guys were running a check point why would you not stand in front of him and stop him ?

Are you fucking retarded? You don't stand in front of any of them when they come into the check. We stood off to the sides with two of us and held out our arms to the inside to stop them in case their brakes failed.

Being relatively new working hot check points, we stood in front of a couple before it became evident real quick that it would take only a small mechanical failure to get someone run over so we adapted, moved another guy in and just held out our arms and leaned in so we could get out of the way quicker if something happened.

Even then we had 3 cars in the gate at one time and the third car rear ended the one in front of him which then pushed him almost into the car we had stopped.


isnt that what you do ? was he going to fast for you . was he the only one on course going fast?

When Shannon decides to blow checkpoints next year, you can show us how to stop him by jumping in front of him.

Like I've said many times already, I worked Check 1, he stopped for us perfectly.

oh yeah, in that video posted just above that Camo quoted, at 2:10, you can see what appears to be a burst of air or whatever blowing out of Will's front left as Shannon was beating him up.

looks like this is when his shock was damaged by Shannon, causing Will to limp to the finish

I've lost all respect for SC at this point

man are you confusing me.


I thought you said he stopped at the check point you were at in your green vest ?

I worked Check point 1. I was in the gate when Shannon came into our check and stopped just like he was supposed to. As a volunteer working the race, I was given a green vest to wear.

I was also the same volunteer in a green vest that moved that Toyota back you were hiding behind at the Starting Line. :flipoff2:

I worked Check point 1. I was in the gate when Shannon came into our check and stopped just like he was supposed to. As a volunteer working the race, I was given a green vest to wear.

I was also the same volunteer in a green vest that moved that Toyota back you were hiding behind at the Starting Line. :flipoff2:

copy that.

oh and ya...another dude with a green vest and power trip :flipoff2::laughing::laughing:

I never said that the driver in this case gave them a thumbs up. I was merely stating that in desert racing when...oh never mind your reading comprehension disappoints me. :shaking:


Ok since you cannot see the truth I'll spell it put for you...

I do not see the REAL RACER say to the NON RACER Or DQ'ed RACER ....

Come run over my rig and if you break my rig ok....

A Dq'ed racer effected the outcome of the race many times it has been stated...

Be it small or big he affected the race.....

Are you fucking retarded? You don't stand in front of any of them when they come into the check. We stood off to the sides with two of us and held out our arms to the inside to stop them in case their brakes failed.

Being relatively new working hot check points, we stood in front of a couple before it became evident real quick that it would take only a small mechanical failure to get someone run over so we adapted, moved another guy in and just held out our arms and leaned in so we could get out of the way quicker if something happened.

Even then we had 3 cars in the gate at one time and the third car rear ended the one in front of him which then pushed him almost into the car we had stopped.




When Shannon decides to blow checkpoints next year, you can show us how to stop him by jumping in front of him.

Like I've said many times already, I worked Check 1, he stopped for us perfectly.

I guess your a fucking retard, you say in your quote you dont stand in front to stop them, then you say you did stand in front of them at first . whatever . dude ive never seen some one flip flop so much last night you were defending Shannon now you gunning for him . I guess majority rules for you .

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he may have been told by officals that he was allowed to continue, knowing full a well he was DQed (there was no question about that, he was towed off the course and back to camp).

He was GIVEN permission to run the course for time, something he was not entitled to or had a right to. If someone lets me do something that I haven't earned, I'm going to do it with as little inconvience as possible and I'm going to be grateful for it. Shannon wasn't in a hurry, he had nothing he was racing for but pride. It was disrespecful not only to Will Carter (who was still in the race and still had something on the line) but to the KOH officals themselves. Whether it was stated or not, anyone with any common sense should know if you're on the course running for fun and not in the race, you don't get in the way of the race. I'd be pissed if I spend six figures in a buggy to run it for an hour too, but that doesn't mean you take it out on the others who were still running.

And the excuse that he was listening to the fans is complete bullshit. The race is put on for the fans just like every other sporting event, but that doesn't mean they get to decide the rules and should have influence over the drivers. No matter how you look it is, Shannon is a professional athlete while in the race and he should conduct himself as such, which he didn't.

He could have very easily waited for Will and/or the spectators to right Will's buggy and still put on an awesome show, and it wouldn't have hurt or inconvienced him in the least. He could have also gone above and beyond what he should have done and actually helped Will upright his rig (exactly like any one of us should do if were out joyriding and come up to a flipped rig). Had he taken the time to pull his head out of ass and think for 2 seconds he'd have been a hero instead of an asshole...

competitors don't run over spectators. Spectators get their selfs run over. .


Perfectly said. People have to take responsibility for them selves, and not blame others.

52X had a race ending design flaw. If the schrader didn't get knocked from Campbells little bump, it probably would have gotten knocked off when the spectaters pushed it back over.


What a cry fest.

Wait for an official call rather than feed off rumors. Damn Al Gore and his intraweb!

copy that.

oh and ya...another dude with a green vest and power trip :flipoff2::laughing::laughing:

Power trip? :p I was trying to sneak in a few minutes of watching the race starts before running out to our Check when Dave grabbed me and sent me down the line to move all the idiots back off the course. (present company excluded) :flipoff2:

So much for thinking the vest would get me a better spot to watch from. I wanted to be close, just not that close.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he may have been told by officals that he was allowed to continue, knowing full a well he was DQed (there was no question about that, he was towed off the course and back to camp).

He was GIVEN permission to run the course for time, something he was not entitled to or had a right to. If someone lets me do something that I haven't earned, I'm going to do it with as little inconvience as possible and I'm going to be grateful for it. Shannon wasn't in a hurry, he had nothing he was racing for but pride. It was disrespecful not only to Will Carter (who was still in the race and still had something on the line) but to the KOH officals themselves. Whether it was stated or not, anyone with any common sense should know if you're on the course running for fun and not in the race, you don't get in the way of the race. I'd be pissed if I spend six figures in a buggy to run it for an hour too, but that doesn't mean you take it out on the others who were still running.

And the excuse that he was listening to the fans is complete bullshit. The race is put on for the fans just like every other sporting event, but that doesn't mean they get to decide the rules and should have influence over the drivers. No matter how you look it is, Shannon is a professional athlete while in the race and he should conduct himself as such, which he didn't.

He could have very easily waited for Will and/or the spectators to right Will's buggy and still put on an awesome show, and it wouldn't have hurt or inconvienced him in the least. He could have also gone above and beyond what he should have done and actually helped Will upright his rig (exactly like any one of us should do if were out joyriding and come up to a flipped rig). Had he taken the time to pull his head out of ass and think for 2 seconds he'd have been a hero instead of an asshole...

Camo,
i have read your responses. We differ in our interpretation of racing and sportsmanship.
Shannon showed poor sportsmanship. That last video puts it into perspective.
i too heard and saw what looks like a shock valve letting go as Shannon makes contact.
If Shannon knew he was out, than he made poor choices.
He said, she said regarding blown checkpoints but i will have to side with Mr. Blaine that 2 checkpoints were blown through by Shannon, again poor choices even IF he thought he was still in the race.

Its hard to support any racer that made some very poor choices in the heat of battle.
:)

I guess your a fucking retard, you say in your quote you dont stand in front to stop them, then you say you did stand in front of them at first . whatever . dude ive never seen some one flip flop so much last night you were defending Shannon now you gunning for him . I guess majority rules for you .

No, I'm neutral as I said before. I'm only clarifying the confusion that I know firsthand to be different. Saying he stopped at 1 and blew 5 and 6 is not opinion or judgement, it's what happened.

And yes it was retarded to stand in front of the first couple that came through and then we figured out how to be a little bit smarter and safer. Too bad you can't do the same.

Probably the best thing that happened to Will was geting run over by Shannon. Now everyone knows who he is. He is gettimg more exposure by this then he would if he came in the top 10.

Because of this I know who 52x is that kept getting asked about in the chat during the race.

Probably the best thing that happened to Will was geting run over by Shannon. Now everyone knows who he is. He is gettimg more exposure by this then he would if he came in the top 10.

Because of this I know who 52x is that kept getting asked about in the chat during the race.

No kiddin . now I know who Will is . From what I saw hes a good guy

It's fairly common to finish a race if somebody said you're DQ'd and then dispute after to see if you can get it overturned. That being said, if I knew I was DQ'd and probably wouldn't be able to dispute it with success I would probably try not to affect the outcome of the race.

Also, I agree with a comment made earlier. If there is somebody in/under/next to the rig - it's off-limits, you can't touch it. If your truck is disabled and you can't move it, get out, it's now part of the course.

No kiddin . now I know who Will is . From what I saw hes a good guy

He's got a better head on his sholders that I do, I probably would have returned the favor to shannon's rig when I got back to the pits. I would have had the decency to wait until he was out of the buggy first though....

Highly discouraged. Consider the logistics of tracking teams already out of the race, The volunteer teams I assume will want to get back to main camp to celebrate, The EMS staff we need to keep on site untill all teams return, and the possibility of more people stuck and waiting for help. Now It may be possible for a team after recieving a DQ getting there car back in order and checking in with race ops to finish the day helping get as many people back to camp, or helping in a pit. Big Rob our Tin Bender sweep master might want some company sweeping the race course after all?:smokin: Thats one guy who no-one considers, he ran almost the entire race course last year helping people. He drove in shortly after the last finisher, helping JT get back in.

Dave and I are still working out the course details but it is safe to assume that Check points will have time cut offs as well this year. Meaning not only will you need to finish before the time deadline, but each checkpoint will have a cut off as to allow the course to be swept, and volunteers released, or utilized in recovery of broken and or stuck race teams. With a race of this size we need to consider all aspects of the race. Big Rich hit the nail on the head, there are many considerations in organizing an event of this size.


A bit of news on the race course, I ran 45 miles of potential race course trails today on my bike, and we found some really cool stuff that Dave pointed out on a map. There is so much to JV that I have never seen, and the bike makes a perfect choice to scout possible routes. So far our proposed lines on a map for a race course are looking epic!


Dave and I hope to send an email update to teams sometime late this week.

Jeff

From the cheating thread:flipoff2:

Camo,
i have read your responses. We differ in our interpretation of racing and sportsmanship.
Shannon showed poor sportsmanship. That last video puts it into perspective.
i too heard and saw what looks like a shock valve letting go as Shannon makes contact.
If Shannon knew he was out, than he made poor choices.
He said, she said regarding blown checkpoints but i will have to side with Mr. Blaine that 2 checkpoints were blown through by Shannon, again poor choices even IF he thought he was still in the race.

Its hard to support any racer that made some very poor choices in the heat of battle.
:)


Shannon showed great sportsmanship and remarkable patience in the videos I have watched. he sat in line waiting for those guys who were blocking the trail in front of him to do what ever it was they were doing. he didn't ram anybody or put anybody in danger by trying a line around the trail block. no he sat there in line just like the rest rest of the drivers and waited.

as far as the check points go. the only check point worker with first hand info is from mrblaine at check point 1 saying he stopped.

perhaps others will chine in and give there account of what they saw and not heard.

Well, than it sucks that he didn't wait patiently at this one area:laughing:

Who towed Shannon back to the pits?

Probably the best thing that happened to Will was geting run over by Shannon. Now everyone knows who he is. He is gettimg more exposure by this then he would if he came in the top 10.

.

BRILLIANT!

Next year when someone gets DQ'ed, can they immediatly go back into the pits and run over the land-use booth? :D We need exposure. :flipoff2:

Face it man KOH will never be Baja...get over it.


why would anybody want it to be ? KOH is cool because of what it is.

Well, than it sucks that he didn't wait patiently at this one area:laughing:



obviously you didn't watch the video. he sat in line at that one area just like the other drivers. :rolleyes:

Shannon finished the race IMIHO because he finishes everything and You never know how the judges are going to rule at any race they are as fickle as school girls in any series.

The event winner Jason Schear was turned over by "Fans" even though there is "absolutely no outside help" that is how it reads in the official rules. He is now King of the Hammers.

Shannon was towed into the pits by a "Fan", Jeff Howe, it is completely legal for the crew to work on the truck in the pit,( I don't see the difference) So how was he to know weather or not he was going to be treated the same as the other competitors. If he was he would be King of the Hammers now, But if he never ran there wouldn't even be a chance.

I would have loved to run JT Taylor coolant for his rig as a
"FAN" of him to put him back in the race. And I'm sure his pit crew would have LOVED to run our team a driveline and some Fuel as "FANS" of our team to put us back in the race.

By the way there are other competitors clearly visible behind Shannon who are part of the race I see it as courtsey to get out of the way so they can drive over the disabled rig as well.

Had he just parked his rig and bocked the course while the other team recovered this thread would be about how he blocked up the curse and how he should've just drove over the guy in front of him and let everyone else have a try.:flipoff2:

The real issue is how come Jason Schear gets help from fans and 52X doesn't? I'm Sure the driver of 52X would have been very happy to call out to his "Fans" to roll over his buggy, and I'm sure they would have obliged. Maybe that Driver should concentrate on that issue and forget about his feelings for a moment. He would have DEFINITELY CONTINUED had that been the case, as the "FANS" would have swarmed his car the moment it rolled over and rolled it back...chew on that a moment 52X

To Clarify:
Jason Schear DESERVES the KOH title. He worked as hard or harder than any one Pre-Running and Tunning he put his heart and soul into the race and I think it SUCKS that he's in the middle of this but it is what it is.

I was right there, I am in the black shirt with the backpack on talking thru the front of the buggy to will. He DEFINETLY did not give the go ahead for a spectatror to drive on his rig, he was asking the course official/volunteer if he got pushed over, if it would be a DQ or not, and he said if it was he was going to try and drive out of it. Then shannon tried three or four times to get by, you would think after the first or second time he ran into will he would have stopped let him get out of the way, then went on his spectating way. Shannon is lucky I didn't chuck a beer at him, but there was so many shannon nut swingers there I probably would have been tarred and feathered. The worst part of the whole situation is I don't think Shannon had the balls to come up to Will after the race and apoligize. I am not 100% on this, I know Will said someone representing him did though.:shaking:

The real issue is how come Jason Schear gets help from fans and 52X doesn't? I'm Sure the driver of 52X would have been very happy to call out to his "Fans" to roll over his buggy, and I'm sure they would have obliged. Maybe that Driver should concentrate on that issue and forget about his feelings for a moment. He would have DEFINITELY CONTINUED had that been the case, as the "FANS" would have swarmed his car the moment it rolled over and rolled it back...chew on that a moment 52X

Watch the videos....... the fans didn't really have time to roll him back over before Shannon ran him over.

Shannon finished the race IMIHO because he finishes everything and You never know how the judges are going to rule at any race they are as fickle as school girls in any series.

The event winner Jason Schear was turned over by "Fans" even though there is "absolutely no outside help" that is how it reads in the official rules. He is now King of the Hammers.

Shannon was towed into the pits by a "Fan", Jeff Howe, it is completely legal for the crew to work on the truck in the pit,( I don't see the difference) So how was he to know weather or not he was going to be treated the same as the other competitors. If he was he would be King of the Hammers now, But if he never ran there wouldn't even be a chance.

I would have loved to run JT Taylor coolant for his rig as a
"FAN" of him to put him back in the race. And I'm sure his pit crew would have LOVED to run our team a driveline and some Fuel as "FANS" of our team to put us back in the race.

By the way there are other competitors clearly visible behind Shannon who are part of the race I see it as courtsey to get out of the way so they can drive over the disabled rig as well.

Had he just parked his rig and bocked the course while the other team recovered this thread would be about how he blocked up the curse and how he should've just drove over the guy in front of him and let everyone else have a try.:flipoff2:

The real issue is how come Jason Schear gets help from fans and 52X doesn't? I'm Sure the driver of 52X would have been very happy to call out to his "Fans" to roll over his buggy, and I'm sure they would have obliged. Maybe that Driver should concentrate on that issue and forget about his feelings for a moment. He would have DEFINITELY CONTINUED had that been the case, as the "FANS" would have swarmed his car the moment it rolled over and rolled it back...chew on that a moment 52X

Thats retarded and makes no sense about 52x and further more use your big boy talk

Shannon finished the race IMIHO because he finishes everything and You never know how the judges are going to rule at any race they are as fickle as school girls in any series.

The event winner Jason Schear was turned over by "Fans" even though there is "absolutely no outside help" that is how it reads in the official rules. He is now King of the Hammers.

Shannon was towed into the pits by a "Fan", Jeff Howe, it is completely legal for the crew to work on the truck in the pit,( I don't see the difference) So how was he to know weather or not he was going to be treated the same as the other competitors. If he was he would be King of the Hammers now, But if he never ran there wouldn't even be a chance.

I would have loved to run JT Taylor coolant for his rig as a
"FAN" of him to put him back in the race. And I'm sure his pit crew would have LOVED to run our team a driveline and some Fuel as "FANS" of our team to put us back in the race.

By the way there are other competitors clearly visible behind Shannon who are part of the race I see it as courtsey to get out of the way so they can drive over the disabled rig as well.

Had he just parked his rig and bocked the course while the other team recovered this thread would be about how he blocked up the curse and how he should've just drove over the guy in front of him and let everyone else have a try.:flipoff2:

The real issue is how come Jason Schear gets help from fans and 52X doesn't? I'm Sure the driver of 52X would have been very happy to call out to his "Fans" to roll over his buggy, and I'm sure they would have obliged. Maybe that Driver should concentrate on that issue and forget about his feelings for a moment. He would have DEFINITELY CONTINUED had that been the case, as the "FANS" would have swarmed his car the moment it rolled over and rolled it back...chew on that a moment 52X


It's been said quite a few times now that righting a rig by fans is legal, and was made known to scherer before he got help. If you watch the video, people were walking to the 52x rig to right it but didn't have a chance. He wasn't on his side more than 10 seconds before he was "nerfed".

Either way looks like there was a lot of confusion about that rule.

Shannon finished the race IMIHO because he finishes everything and You never know how the judges are going to rule at any race they are as fickle as school girls in any series.

The event winner Jason Schear was turned over by "Fans" even though there is "absolutely no outside help" that is how it reads in the official rules. He is now King of the Hammers.

Shannon was towed into the pits by a "Fan", Jeff Howe, it is completely legal for the crew to work on the truck in the pit,( I don't see the difference) So how was he to know weather or not he was going to be treated the same as the other competitors. If he was he would be King of the Hammers now, But if he never ran there wouldn't even be a chance.

I would have loved to run JT Taylor coolant for his rig as a
"FAN" of him to put him back in the race. And I'm sure his pit crew would have LOVED to run our team a driveline and some Fuel as "FANS" of our team to put us back in the race.

By the way there are other competitors clearly visible behind Shannon who are part of the race I see it as courtsey to get out of the way so they can drive over the disabled rig as well.

Had he just parked his rig and bocked the course while the other team recovered this thread would be about how he blocked up the curse and how he should've just drove over the guy in front of him and let everyone else have a try.:flipoff2:

The real issue is how come Jason Schear gets help from fans and 52X doesn't? I'm Sure the driver of 52X would have been very happy to call out to his "Fans" to roll over his buggy, and I'm sure they would have obliged. Maybe that Driver should concentrate on that issue and forget about his feelings for a moment. He would have DEFINITELY CONTINUED had that been the case, as the "FANS" would have swarmed his car the moment it rolled over and rolled it back...chew on that a moment 52X

We did'nt get a chance to roll him over before shannon began running in to him. And he did get rolled over and finised the race but was crippled by a rig out of the race, and lost finishing positions. What if it had been the other way around? The world would end if a privateer ruined shannons car and caused him to lose spots.

52x was making sure it was legal to be flipped back over before anyone touched the rig

Shannon finished the race IMIHO because he finishes everything and You never know how the judges are going to rule at any race they are as fickle as school girls in any series.

The event winner Jason Schear was turned over by "Fans" even though there is "absolutely no outside help" that is how it reads in the official rules. He is now King of the Hammers.

Shannon was towed into the pits by a "Fan", Jeff Howe, it is completely legal for the crew to work on the truck in the pit,( I don't see the difference) So how was he to know weather or not he was going to be treated the same as the other competitors. If he was he would be King of the Hammers now, But if he never ran there wouldn't even be a chance.

I would have loved to run JT Taylor coolant for his rig as a
"FAN" of him to put him back in the race. And I'm sure his pit crew would have LOVED to run our team a driveline and some Fuel as "FANS" of our team to put us back in the race.

By the way there are other competitors clearly visible behind Shannon who are part of the race I see it as courtsey to get out of the way so they can drive over the disabled rig as well.

Had he just parked his rig and bocked the course while the other team recovered this thread would be about how he blocked up the curse and how he should've just drove over the guy in front of him and let everyone else have a try.:flipoff2:

The real issue is how come Jason Schear gets help from fans and 52X doesn't? I'm Sure the driver of 52X would have been very happy to call out to his "Fans" to roll over his buggy, and I'm sure they would have obliged. Maybe that Driver should concentrate on that issue and forget about his feelings for a moment. He would have DEFINITELY CONTINUED had that been the case, as the "FANS" would have swarmed his car the moment it rolled over and rolled it back...chew on that a moment 52X

You are talking out your ass....you dont know the rules...here it is stated in the post by DAVE COLE on cheating in KOH.....
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=728637


From that post....
Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkBug
What about roll-overs? Do you get a DQ if you're on your lid and a bunch of people from the crowd, or other racers, run over and push your junk back over?

Dave Cole's reply......

This is the ONLY grey area.

1) Getting assistance from other competitors...isn't outside assistance. They can bump, pull, winch, whatever necessary to help you if they choose to do so. Including giving you parts and/or tools.


2) If you flop and spectators or course officials roll you over... you are good to go. Now if you flop and one of those spectators spare tires magically falls onto your car... you're out

Does it need to be clearer for anybody??????

CLEAR
SOrry dumbass itis

, he was asking the course official/volunteer if he got pushed over, if it would be a DQ or not,

this is the first I have heard of a KOH official being on the scene during this situation.

did you hear what the KOH official response was to Will's question ?

did the Official attempt to stop the racers behind will while they did a recovery ?

why would anybody want it to be ? KOH is cool because of what it is.

then why do you keep making references to Baja in regards to what happened?

obviously you didn't watch the video. he sat in line at that one area just like the other drivers. :rolleyes:

i guess if waiting still involves the flopped rig's wheels still turning while you decide the wait is over...
than ya, he waited.:flipoff2:

camo,
my point is he was running for 'fun' not position. He knew he was DQ'd. A competitor in front of him that was running for POSITION flops. This is where he made a poor choice to wait maybe 20 secs? before he starts to advance. i see nowhere in that video where the flopped team was done yet. The frickin tires were still trying to get purchase as Shannon uses their rig for purchase. Again, no problem except...wait for it...Shannon was NOT in the RACE!!!!!!
Maybe Shannon is the greatest man alive and some of you all are clouded by emotional responses vs logic and truth?
i dunno.:confused:

this is the first I have heard of a KOH official being on the scene during this situation.

did you hear what the KOH official response was to Will's question ?

did the Official attempt to stop the racers behind will while they did a recovery ?


Sorry he was asking the dude in the green vest, that was there yelling at spectators to stay off the trail and out of the way, of the racers. No he did not ask Jeff or Dave personally but he was told by green vest dude, a couple others and I think pistol. That others had flopped there and were pushed back on there wheels and it was a no DQ. So me and a few others went to right him then campbell tried to get up and everyone was yelling at us to get away from will's car cause shannon was running into it.

It's been said quite a few times now that righting a rig by fans is legal, and was made known to scherer before he got help. If you watch the video, people were walking to the 52x rig to right it but didn't have a chance. He wasn't on his side more than 10 seconds before he was "nerfed".

Either way looks like there was a lot of confusion about that rule.

I was righted by outside help and was told you are done??? So I guess the rule only applied to certain people.

Sounds like you should protest then.

No matter what he's fuct. Gave Shannon his tranny!

Sorry he was asking the dude in the green vest, that was there yelling at spectators to stay off the trail and out of the way, of the racers. No he did not ask Jeff or Dave personally but he was told by green vest dude, a couple others and I think pistol. That others had flopped there and were pushed back on there wheels and it was a no DQ. So me and a few others went to right him then campbell tried to get up and everyone was yelling at us to get away from will's car cause shannon was running into it.

I was just looking for more info. first I had heard there was a KOH worker on site.

Sounds like you should protest then.

why? Race is over, I am over it, Thats Racing everyone bitchen and moaning needs to get over it. Especially when most bitching it does not even involve them.

I was righted by outside help and was told you are done??? So I guess the rule only applied to certain people.

wow... the confusion grows. that sucks :(

I was righted by outside help and was told you are done??? So I guess the rule only applied to certain people.

who told you that you were done??? that is unfortunate that you didnt have a radio and call in for clarification.......my understanding was racers could be righted by fans but no help......at sledge fans only help one guy to get him off the trail because he was done and totally blocking the way......maybe we shouldnt have but it made total sense at the time.........

why? Race is over, I am over it, Thats Racing everyone bitchen and moaning needs to get over it. Especially when most bitching it does not even involve them.

in other words, people shouldn't give a damn and ignore it because it has nothing to do with them :rolleyes:

why? Race is over, I am over it, Thats Racing everyone bitchen and moaning needs to get over it. Especially when most bitching it does not even involve them.

people bitch to make their point heard. its constructive critizism to the organizers to improve for next year :shaking:

I was just looking for more info. first I had heard there was a KOH worker on site.

i never saw one and i was there for several hours.........

The worst part of the whole situation is I don't think Shannon had the balls to come up to Will after the race and apoligize. I am not 100% on this, I know Will said someone representing him did though.:shaking:

I thought we had heard that Shannon gave Will cash and parts for jacking up his rig?

Is that correct?

I was just looking for more info. first I had heard there was a KOH worker on site.

Yeah I am not sure if exactly who he was, he had one of those green construction vests on and was yellin at folks to clear the course when cars would enter the canyon. At the drivers meeting they had told us there would be volunteers at the higher spectator areas to try and keep the crowd of the course. I.E. Sledge and backdoor, and pit areas.

then why do you keep making references to Baja in regards to what happened?



KOH and Baja have much in common in terms of trying to race in the wide open expanse of the desert out of view of the scrutiny of race officials.

Baja racing has had 40+ years to develop and refine their rules and techniques for holding these races.

so I reference Baja as a guiding light to what KOH racing can do to mitigate these situations.

Sounds like you should protest then.

Doesn't do any good to protest unless you finished the rest of the race. Like Shannon did.

I thought we had heard that Shannon gave Will cash and parts for jacking up his rig?

Is that correct?

Someone did, but it wasn't shannon. I think, not 100% I know will said fox shox did hook him up with two new shocks which is awesome!

Especially when most bitching it does not even involve them.

Hey, a lot of us have spent a lot of time and money on those rigs. Some of us have donated parts off of our own rigs, spent time wrenching our friends junk, pre running, bla bla bla .... there may be more people that hold an interest here than you think.....

people bitch to make their point heard. its constructive critizism to the organizers to improve for next year :shaking:


Yea name calling is constructive critizism:shaking: Like I said most do not know the story, Shannon was told he could run then after he is running someone changed thier mind. I would have kept going also. I rolled and righted by outside help and told by an a green jacket I was done. But others were not.
To me just alot of miscommunication

Doesn't do any good to protest unless you finished the rest of the race. Like Shannon did.

What race was he in? I saw a spectator driving shannon's rig. In the middle of a live race going on.:shaking:

You are talking out your ass....you dont know the rules...here it is stated in the post by DAVE COLE on cheating in KOH.....
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=728637


From that post....
Quote:
Originally Posted by StinkBug
What about roll-overs? Do you get a DQ if you're on your lid and a bunch of people from the crowd, or other racers, run over and push your junk back over?

Dave Cole's reply......

This is the ONLY grey area.

1) Getting assistance from other competitors...isn't outside assistance. They can bump, pull, winch, whatever necessary to help you if they choose to do so. Including giving you parts and/or tools.


2) If you flop and spectators or course officials roll you over... you are good to go. Now if you flop and one of those spectators spare tires magically falls onto your car... you're out

Does it need to be clearer for anybody??????

yes it does ! what the hell is the red card for that says no outside assistance . I cant believe something dave cole wrote on the internet in october is the rules . Where in the rules is outside help ok someone show me ! not something dave wrote 4 months ago 10,000 threads ago . Im just stating facts .

I rolled and righted by outside help and told by an a green jacket I was done. But others were not.
To me just alot of miscommunication



which is exactly why I think shannon made 100% the right call.

as sad as it may be listening to anybody but the top dog organizer of the event has left many racers sitting on the side lines when they should have raced to the finish and sorted it out later.

sounds to me like here is the exact reason Shannon kept racing until he had a conformation from Jeff Knoll that he was allowed to be on course.

which is exactly why I think shannon made 100% the right call.

as sad as it may be listening to anybody but the top dog organizer of the event has left many racers sitting on the side lines when they should have raced to the finish and sorted it out later.

sounds to me like here is the exact reason Shannon kept racing until he had a conformation from Jeff Knoll that he was allowed to be on course.


thats a poor excuse as getting towed in to the pits is outside the rules and is reason for a DQ, no "gray" area there

which is exactly why I think shannon made 100% the right call.

as sad as it may be listening to anybody but the top dog organizer of the event has left many racers sitting on the side lines when they should have raced to the finish and sorted it out later.

sounds to me like here is the exact reason Shannon kept racing until he had a conformation from Jeff Knoll that he was allowed to be on course.

except(and only IMO), that he wasn't"racing" per se, and still used poor judgement by possibly and eventually changing the outcome for a competitor.

Yea name calling is constructive critizism:shaking: Like I said most do not know the story, Shannon was told he could run then after he is running someone changed thier mind. I would have kept going also. I rolled and righted by outside help and told by an a green jacket I was done. But others were not.
To me just alot of miscommunication

As is being said here many times over, it seems to be the consensus that Shannon was allowed to go back on course, and it seems he took that to mean he could peel the F%&* out the entire way as if he was still in contention. From numerous people in this thread, he knew he was not in contention anymore. If it was me, or it seems most of the people here, we would have not acted the same way Shannon did out of respect for other racers who were still in contention.

What outside help did you receive that DQd you? It seems lots of people are saying the rules are vague, but we kept telling people the same things over and over at CP7 and they were not seeming to get it. Parts can only be transferred in pits, work on the course is only done by what you have on your rig, parts can only be brought by a fellow racer who received it in a pit or had it already.

And camo, he was waiting in line after all available lines in the canyon were blocked by the 3 rigs in front of him. He sure didnt want to wait as soon as he came into the canyon beeping his horn, nearly driving over spectators and over Will, who was stuck behind 2 rigs on the plaque rock and had nowhere to go. Once shannon came through as impatient as he was, Will tried to go around the plaque rock on the left, nearly got stuck, and went back to waiting for the bottleneck to clear. Once he flopped, spectators were given no chance to right Wills rig before shannon started driving on it. I am uploading a video now of this section.

It will be nice when everyone gets home for the lakebed and we can get a first hand report of what happened instead of all the rumours. Makes for great reading though :beer:

So at check 6 when Shannons own pit people told him to stop, and he didn't.... I guess thats cause he didn't believe them....and then blew the check point 100 feet later cause he was under the impression it was okay???

I was 20 feet from his pit, and 100 from the checkpoint.....I know what I saw:flipoff2:

I was at checkpoint 6, Shannon pulled into his pit area for 30 seconds or so and then took off out of there towards the check in(about 120 feet away) at what sounded like close to wide open. The checkpoint guys scattered to stay clear, he was MOVIN through the narrow checkpoint area that everyone else slowed down for and then stopped. Shannon was doinf an easy 20mph through there.

After that I heard on the radio that Shannon will be at the principles office when he is done with his 3 hour desert tour.......

I'm sure Shannon has been losing sleep knowing all you super important folks have lost respect for him. Why don't you just wait for an official announcement and quit speculating?