for the rear of my cj, i got a centered scout 44 and for the front an offset waggy 44. the front is disks and the rear is drum. my question is, would it be better to swap from 5 to 6 lug or 6 to 5 in order to match up and should i drill them or buy a kit? i would prefer to be 5 lug, but i didn't know how much of a pain it was to deal w/ the converting the disc brake diff..

thanks....

russel

It would be easier to swap the front to be 5 lug to match the rear than to re-drill the rear to match the front.

You should be able to get the necessary 5 lug outer 44 parts to convert off of a Ford F150 Dana 44 front <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

i have done this.. convert the front to 5 lug.. you will need a chevy d44 spindle.. thats 77 or older front axle.. or get a 10 bolt spindle.. and have it machined down for the ford inner bearing..
the rest is ford rotor/wheel bearing hub and locking hub..
i used the gm caliper mounting brackets with wagoneer calipers..
write up no my webpage with more specifics..

If you have a scout rear @ 5.5 and a Waggy front at 6 lug, The conversion is pretty simple.

To convert the front to 5.5 you take the knuckle assembly and the short shaft from a scout or another 44 front thats 5.5

For me I went the other way I went to 6 lug on mine.

I might be able to set you up with the 5.5 knuckles and short shafts if your interested.

Steve

thanks a lot for the replies guys. very helpfull.

steve- i'd be very interested and appreciative if you could help me out. thanks alot-

russel

Originally posted by WheelingPiazza:
<STRONG>If you have a scout rear @ 5.5 and a Waggy front at 6 lug, The conversion is pretty simple.

To convert the front to 5.5 you take the knuckle assembly and the short shaft from a scout or another 44 front thats 5.5

For me I went the other way I went to 6 lug on mine.

I might be able to set you up with the 5.5 knuckles and short shafts if your interested.

Steve</STRONG>

LEt me email a few people and see what I can come up with..

Steve

Ok, I heard back from my friend,

He doesnt have any scout stuff at the moment, but he commented that you can use Ford our dodge outters with out changing the stub shaft and get 5.5 and internal hubs.

I did email him back asking him what ford but I would suspect bronco or f150..

Everyone forgets to mention the setup for 5 lug is wider then 6 lug so if your worried about width stay 6 lug

Originally posted by NE-RokToy:
<STRONG>Everyone forgets to mention the setup for 5 lug is wider then 6 lug so if your worried about width stay 6 lug</STRONG>

swapping from 5 lug to 6 lug only adds roughly 1.5" to the overall width - not something I would be to worried about (the fornt should be 1" or so wider than the rear anyways, and you could still run spacers ont he rear if needed).

As for which Ford parts to get 5 lug, I said that at the very beginning already <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by WheelingPiazza:
<STRONG>He doesnt have any scout stuff at the moment, but he commented that you can use Ford our dodge outters with out changing the stub shaft and get 5.5 and internal hubs.
</STRONG>

He can use his existing stub shaft only if it is a '74-early '77 Waggie axle. The late '77's and up use a larger inner bearing (inner diameter) than the Ford hubs require. Jeepgod's site as he mentioned has a complete list of what is necessary to make the swap to a 5 lug front along with a good writeup. It's a really easy swap and parts are also easy to find and cheap to replace.

i'd go the ford route. the scout outers are not as stong and you have the external bolt hubs which tend to be more problomatic than the internal style. just my op.

thanks a lot JEEPGOD, that write up has definately solved the problem and i really like the 'homemade' shackle reversle. thanks everybody for the opinions. ford parts seem the way to go now(just because i know i can get them all w/o a problem). -russel

glad it helped you out.. im not the best of putting things in writing.. since i get doing them.. and forget to take pictures.. or write stuff down.. to worried about getting it done.. <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>swapping from 5 lug to 6 lug only adds roughly 1.5" to the overall width - not something I would be to worried about (the fornt should be 1" or so wider than the rear anyways, and you could still run spacers ont he rear if needed).

As for which Ford parts to get 5 lug, I said that at the very beginning already <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Yeah but if I rememebr right the wagoneer front axle is alread 1.5-2" wider then the scout rear he has so the front could be as much as 4" wider, thats a big differance to me

Stock from the factory CJ axles already have 3" difference with the front being wider. That's the case for both narrow and wide track CJ axles.

Originally posted by CSP:
<STRONG>He can use his existing stub shaft only if it is a '74-early '77 Waggie axle. The late '77's and up use a larger inner bearing (inner diameter) than the Ford hubs require. Jeepgod's site as he mentioned has a complete list of what is necessary to make the swap to a 5 lug front along with a good writeup. It's a really easy swap and parts are also easy to find and cheap to replace.</STRONG>

Stub shafts don't matter (with the Waggy axles) it's the spindles that are different.

let's get this shit straight

Oops, my head is out of my ass now. Honest, I was picturing spindles in my mind when I posted that. <IMG SRC="smilies/emb.gif" border="0">

The ford stub shaft is not the same as the chevy or waggy, there is about 1/4" difference.

i have a friend.. who runs a waggy front converted to 5 lug.. and a scout rear.. the front is about 2" wider overall.. hard to notice.. unless you look at it straight on.. and for it..

I am digging this up from the grave, so tune in closely.
Are Dodge stub shafts similar to any other manufacturers stub shafts? I am using dodge parts from the inner C out to do the 5on5.5 bolt pattern change and the high steering, but cannot find out info on the dodge stub shafts. What do the dodge donor conversions do for stronger stub shafts? (alloy)
Are the stubs the same dimensions as chevy or waggy?

I'm going to start collecting parts to do the 6 on 5.5 to 5 on 5.5 this summer. Since I'm only running 33 x 9.5 BFG's, I'd like to keep the hub tucked in as far as possible.

Which set-up has the shortest outer? Or should I use an outer from an XJ though not as strong and the wrong pattern, giving no hub at all?

I know there are many advantages to being able to unlock your hub and that the XJ front end isn't as strong but I see myself catching those hubs on every rock I drive past.

Some of the competators at Moonrocks had no manual turn hubs on the front ends. It looked like you had to remove the outer plate completly to unlock them. I'd be good with that. Anyone familiar with those set-ups?

BTT

gripguru:
Get used to searchig. I got 5 pages of threads useing "dodge stub". About the 5th one was this same question.

simple:
How would you put XJ outers on a D44? They are not interchangeable.
If you want slugs, they are stock on lots of trucks in the junk yards.

I'm not sure what I want.

What I need is a short outer shaft. The XJ's do not have a locking hub, they have no hub at all (full time). That would be the shortest outer shaft available. I have no idea how I would attach it to a D44 until I had all of the pieces together.

The problem is unlocking it if you have a major melt down within your axle housing. With the XJ, you're screwed.

As for "slugs", I do not know what you are refering to there.

Please educate me!