What is everyone's thoughts on the Rausch Creek Qualifier (RCQ)?

I have been watching a lot of what happened at KOH 09. The event is getting bigger and bigger, and with the amount of effort put into getting into the race, the qualifiers will become very important-- there is a set amount of people allowed into the race. As far as I can tell, there are 5 or 6 ways to get into KOH 2010: 1. Be top 10 in KOH 09; 2. Top 10 at RCQ, 3. Top 10 in Vegas to Reno, 4. Top 10 in Pike's Peak (Edit: Land's End), 5. Be a memeber of the OG (original group of racers in the original KOH), 6 through wild card given by the Hammerking guys. Edit: Oh yeah, forgot about 2010 LCQ and sponser exceptions...

So, with that in mind, #1 and #6 is already a forgone conclusion. 3 and 4 will be difficult for a lot of teams on the east coast, as it really lends those qualifiers to the guys who like to eat dust (or at least have the rigs set up to run in the desert-- cooling, pumpers, highspeed experience, etc...).

So that leads me to think that the RCQ is going to be VERY important for a number of teams to gain entry into the 2010 KOH. I mean seriously, who wants to wait for the LCQ that is the day before the KOH? That is a pretty big gamble. If I had a high dollar team that broke at KOH 09 with a new rig I would have to seriously consider the RCQ-- even if I had to drive across country for it. Why? Well, RCQ is in May. KOH 2010 is in February. What better way to get prepped for 2010 than knowing that far in advance that you are in? Really helps in the story to potential sponsers too if you have over half a year to tell your story.

So are teams starting to plan for the next year and the new Qualifications for getting in KOH 2010? Or am I too early since the dust is barely settled at JV and some of the east coast teams may still be on their way home?

Who is coming to Pennsylvania in a few months?????

Top 20 at KOH '09
Top 10 at Rausch Creek
Top 5 at Lands End Hill Climb
Top 10 at Vegas to Reno
Top 20 at '10 LCQ
OG 13
Sponsor Exemptions
Hammerking Wildcards

Vegas to Reno.....that is an insane race in a rockcrawler. Do you have to finish to qualify? I cant see more than 10 going for that and I damn sure don't see 10 finishing a race that long.

I like most of it......

I don't see how the Vegas to Reno race comes into play. It is nothing like KOH.
And that goes double for the hillclimb race.

I'd sure hope that any teams finishing both of the official KOH events, but not in this years Top 20 would be considered for a Hammerking exemption.

<cough>
Blue 52
<cough>

Did Mark just invite Shannon to the RCQ :)

I can't wait to race at Rausch and hopefully get the chance to destroy my junk next year. watching the race this year was an awe inspiring week to say the least.

Did Mark just invite Shannon to the RCQ :)

I can't wait to race at Rausch and hopefully get the chance to destroy my junk next year. watching the race this year was an awe inspiring week to say the least.

there were a lot of high dollar, new rigs that broke. I am not getting in the middle of anything on the internet (I promised Bruce I would be good!!!). Deep down, I am hoping to see the Blue Torch Fab truck, Jesse's truck and a lot of others at the park. I would be curious to see how an IFS rig does in Rock Creek, but there was more than one IFS rig.

Did you run LCQ? I did not see your name.

there were a lot of high dollar, new rigs that broke. I am not getting in the middle of anything on the internet (I promised Bruce I would be good!!!). Deep down, I am hoping to see the Blue Torch Fab truck, Jesse's truck and a lot of others at the park. I would be curious to see how an IFS rig does in Rock Creek, but there was more than one IFS rig.

Did you run LCQ? I did not see your name.
SHHHHHH I still need to qualify:flipoff2:

Top 20 at '10 LCQ


top 20 from LCQ :smokin:

LCQ was great this year and a lot of those guys finished strong.

How do you get in the LCQ?


How many Sponser Exemptions?


How many Hammerking Wildcards? How do you get one?

Vegas to Reno.....that is an insane race in a rockcrawler. Do you have to finish to qualify? I cant see more than 10 going for that and I damn sure don't see 10 finishing a race that long.

I already have a spot in 2010 KOH .....I will be going for the win in Vegas to Reno and Lands in hill climb.....I plan on kicking the shit out of the jeep speed guys in the Vegas to Reno race :flipoff2::flipoff2::evil:

I already have a spot in 2010 KOH .....I will be going for the win in Vegas to Reno and Lands in hill climb.....I plan on kicking the shit out of the jeep speed guys in the Vegas to Reno race :flipoff2::flipoff2::evil:

If your top speed from KOH is true I dont think Beating the Jeepspeed Guys will be a problem... 114:eek:

Will all applicants be allowed into the 2010 LCQ like this years LCQ? The only problem I have with the RCQ is it falls right in the middle of our XRRA east series events, and I know of some other teams that feel the same way.

I had a 31 hour drive home to think about it, I want to do what I have to do to take the green flag next year.

I'd sure hope that any teams finishing both of the official KOH events, but not in this years Top 20 would be considered for a Hammerking exemption.

<cough>
Blue 52
<cough>


How many finished in both '08 and '09?

How many finished in both '08 and '09?

From a quick scan in of the results there were 6 people outside of the top 20 from KOH 09 that finished both KOH 08 and KOH 09.

Hobie Smith
Roger Lovell
John James
Eric Anderson
Ian Plaine
Richard Gauthier

There were others that finished both 08 & 09 races but they were in the top 20 in KOH 09 so they've got a secure spot anyway.

Vegas to Reno.....that is an insane race in a rockcrawler. Do you have to finish to qualify? I cant see more than 10 going for that and I damn sure don't see 10 finishing a race that long.

You could easily mod a rig between the races, or build an entirely new one..

From a quick scan in of the results there were 6 people outside of the top 20 from KOH 09 that finished both KOH 08 and KOH 09.

Hobie Smith
Roger Lovell
John James
Eric Anderson
Ian Plaine
Richard Gauthier

There were others that finished both 08 & 09 races but they were in the top 20 in KOH 09 so they've got a secure spot anyway.

These guys should also get an exemption for '10. Or at least a ten minute time bonus for the LCQ.
:D

If your top speed from KOH is true I dont think Beating the Jeepspeed Guys will be a problem... 114:eek:

That does bring up the possibility of a few Jeepspeed guys making it into
the KOH next year.
I like that....
NAXJA should cover thier entry fees (plus help them rebuild thier rigs in order to compete in KOH!)

I FRIGGIN' LOVE THE IDEA!!!

Did Dave mention that there would be a special class for KOH people for the Vegas to Reno race?
How about for the hillclimb?

I had a 31 hour drive home to think about it, I want to do what I have to do to take the green flag next year.

Get it Speedracer......whos rig are you going to use :flipoff2:

Get it Speedracer......whos rig are you going to use :flipoff2:

Was thinking about yours :flipoff2:

Did Dave mention that there would be a special class for KOH people for the Vegas to Reno race?


I'd heard something about that out at the lakebed. My only concern is:

This year, we are not only talking about the great TSCO “Vegas to Reno” but by popular demand the 2009 event will be a THREE-DAY, 1000-MILE STAGED EVENT, and will be called the TSCO “ VEGAS TO RENO” THE LONG WAY!!!

1000 miles in a KOH rig.... :eek::eek::eek:

I'd heard something about that out at the lakebed. My only concern is:
1000 miles in a KOH rig.... :eek::eek::eek:

There was not a rig on that lakebed I would want to go 1000 miles in. That is why I wondered if they have to finish.

There was not a rig on that lakebed I would want to go 1000 miles in. That is why I wondered if they have to finish.

You're telling me if Shannon called you right now and said they're looking for a club footed midget to drive that IFS car you wouldn't be sprinting to AZ?:flipoff2:

There was not a rig on that lakebed I would want to go 1000 miles in. That is why I wondered if they have to finish.

Ohh, the naysayers.........:flipoff2: I will throw in my third seat and you can shoot some great pics of me passing, from the inside out!:laughing:

Let me know!:grinpimp:

Easy.

You're telling me if Shannon called you right now and said they're looking for a club footed midget to drive that IFS car you wouldn't be sprinting to AZ?:flipoff2:


They would just need to throw a couple phone books for him to sit on and he would be good to go.


It was good to see you out there Nolan! :D

I guess we will be going to RCQ too.Thinking out loud,since it is a race by qualifying shouldn't you qualify in the rig you will be racing in?If not I wonder what kind of rental rate Shannon has on his last years rig.

With a second baby on the way and running out of time to get the buggy the way I wanted I didn't race out there. I spectated and volunteered at checkpoint 3 in the main race. I sorely wish I had raced now. I'll be coming to the qualifier at RC and hope to make the main race in 2010.


Did you run LCQ? I did not see your name.

Bitches.

:flipoff2:

Bitches.

:flipoff2:
Come on out, there is a good chance that I'll be racing or pitting in the V2R...

The way I hear it Nolan covered more miles than anyone.:flipoff2:

How do you get in the LCQ?


Valid question that I'd like to know the answer to as well. The answer to this question may determine what direction I go with one of my rigs during it's current "rebuild". I have a feeling that there will be far more interested in giving the LCQ a shot in '10 than there were this year and would like to know how the "admission process" will work. I mean, come on, you guys have had 3 days to figure this out already!:grinpimp:

The 2009 KOH race was an amazing event that I am really glad I went to. The LCQ before the main race was a great way to kick off the event and I'm glad to see it coming back next year. Here's a couple good questions that were brought up and I think need to be answered to finalize my plans for KOH 2010.

1) Do you have to run the same "car" (new lingo I learned at KOH, that and wadded up. lol!) in RC qualifier as you run in the KOH race in CA?

2) Will the number of LCQ competitors be limited to a certain number?

Clayton

1) Do you have to run the same "car" (new lingo I learned at KOH, that and wadded up. lol!) in RC qualifier as you run in the KOH race in CA?

2) Will the number of LCQ competitors be limited to a certain number?

Clayton

good questions. anyone?

I am sure Dave and Jeff will let us know in good time.... But please give 'em a break, I am sure they are swamped with after race duties and looking for some much needed rest.

















OK, is that enough time? :flipoff2:

I am sure Dave and Jeff will let us know in good time.... But please give 'em a break, I am sure they are swamped with after race duties and looking for some much needed rest.

















OK, is that enough time? :flipoff2:

I know some are thinking like I am, April 1 is the deadline to have the application in for Rausch Creek. The answer to this question would really help me in my planning.

I know some are thinking like I am, April 1 is the deadline to have the application in for Rausch Creek. The answer to this question would really help me in my planning.

Is April 1st correct? The entry form says April 27th....is there a maximum amount of entries allowed for this race?

Is April 1st correct? The entry form says April 27th....is there a maximum amount of entries allowed for this race?

I believe there is a max of 50 rigs.

4/1 is the deadline

I'm sure there will have to be some kind of max on the LCQ as well. I have no idea what that will be.

Dave

Is April 1st correct? The entry form says April 27th....is there a maximum amount of entries allowed for this race?

Entry form I printed this morning says April 1st.

I mailed mine off this morning and did notice it said april 27th but I printed it the day it first came out. The form at http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/dep/docs/kohrc09.pdf now says April 1st.

Moving it up to April 1st is probably a smart idea to plan for the event better

Should be awesome.

I mailed mine off this morning and did notice it said april 27th but I printed it the day it first came out. The form at http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/dep/docs/kohrc09.pdf now says April 1st.

Moving it up to April 1st is probably a smart idea to plan for the event better

Should be awesome.

yea i printed mine off as soon as it came off and it says April 27th....guess i need to hurry up and send mine in:D

Dave -

As I recall, Lands End qualifies the top 5 drivers. If some of those spots are taken by currently qualified drivers, does it pass through to "top 5 non-qualified drivers?"

If you haven't gotten that far, take your time answering the question. just curious because there could be a lot of spoilers at these events.

Dave -

As I recall, Lands End qualifies the top 5 drivers. If some of those spots are taken by currently qualified drivers, does it pass through to "top 5 non-qualified drivers?"

If you haven't gotten that far, take your time answering the question. just curious because there could be a lot of spoilers at these events.

Jt was in the process of getting this covered with Jeff and Dave when Liz talked to him this AM.

Dave -

As I recall, Lands End qualifies the top 5 drivers. If some of those spots are taken by currently qualified drivers, does it pass through to "top 5 non-qualified drivers?"

If you haven't gotten that far, take your time answering the question. just curious because there could be a lot of spoilers at these events.



Yes, it will be the top x non-qualified drivers. So for example, if JT finishes in the top 5, 6th place will transfer based on JT being an OG.


Or a better example, when Jeff and I finish 1st and 2nd at V2R, we'll transfer down to 12th:flipoff2:

are we going to race heep speeds at V2R or are KOH vehicles all on their own?

I can tell the doubters about "rock buggies going 1000 miles" that I'd much rather ride in our buggy than some other full on race vehicles that I've ridden in and driven. I'm sure we'll get smoked by the 1600's but those things issue a full beating. And the K5 we worked with was sporting 11" of front travel on a good day with 35" tires. All in all, I'll take the KOH car.

Yes, it will be the top x non-qualified drivers. So for example, if JT finishes in the top 5, 6th place will transfer based on JT being an OG.


Or a better example, when Jeff and I finish 1st and 2nd at V2R, we'll transfer down to 12th:flipoff2:

Good thing JT has that OG spot. He will probably need it....:flipoff2:

are we going to race heep speeds at V2R or are KOH vehicles all on their own?

I can tell the doubters about "rock buggies going 1000 miles" that I'd much rather ride in our buggy than some other full on race vehicles that I've ridden in and driven. I'm sure we'll get smoked by the 1600's but those things issue a full beating. And the K5 we worked with was sporting 11" of front travel on a good day with 35" tires. All in all, I'll take the KOH car.



There are lots of details to work out with BITD for this race, but You will not be able to race a Jeepspeed in the KOH class. KOH will be KOH style cars. Rule book will take some time as we will try and make a rule book that will also cover 2010 KOH.

There is already a class for jeepspeeds, there is nothing for unlimited 4wheel drive cars. We are trying to make that happen.

Jeff

There are lots of details to work out with BITD for this race, but You will not be able to race a Jeepspeed in the KOH class. KOH will be KOH style cars. Rule book will take some time as we will try and make a rule book that will also cover 2010 KOH.

There is already a class for jeepspeeds, there is nothing for unlimited 4wheel drive cars. We are trying to make that happen.

Jeff

Any idea when to expect the rules for the KOH class for V2R?

Any idea when to expect the rules for the KOH class for V2R?

Is later tonight unreasonable?






























:laughing:

Just so that EVERYONE understands about the Lands End Hill Climb race as a qualifyer for the 2010:

I am the Race Director. Any race related information and questions direct them to me. I can accept PM's or email me at val@rockstomper.com or call me at 303-842-0825.

Any technical questions regarding the class, tech inspection, vehicle related questions contact JT Taylor.

JT and I are working on a document that will contain instructions and how-to for the Lands End Hill Climb since the majority of you have never raced in a hill climb event in Colorado. The FULL 2009 rule book for CHCA, which is the sanctioning body for Lands End, will be available by April 2009. I will post up when the rule book is published to the CHCA web site on Pirate, KOH forum, and wherever else applicable. The CHCA web site is www.chcaracing.com.

Regarding how the qualifyer will work: We are in the process of creating a comprehensive document on how to qualify at each event. This will be released shortly by Hammerking Productions and will cover all concerns voiced in this thread and others.

Good luck guys and gals!

Valerie Douglas
Lands End Hill Climb Race Director

I like most of it......

I don't see how the Vegas to Reno race comes into play. It is nothing like KOH.
And that goes double for the hillclimb race.

What usually keeps team from finishing KOH? Mechanical failures from the length of the race, and abuse they see throughout the course. If you can finish a 1000 mile desert race your shit should to be able to go 100 miles even if there are rocks! I totally see how it relates to KOH as long as were in the same rigs.

What usually keeps team from finishing KOH? Mechanical failures from the length of the race, and abuse they see throughout the course. If you can finish a 1000 miles desert race your shit should to be able to go 100 miles even if there are rocks! I totally see how it relates to KOH as long as were in the same rigs.

X2

Rick.

"I don't see how the Vegas to Reno race comes into play. It is nothing like KOH.
And that goes double for the hillclimb race."



I'm sure its because these are places KOH rigs will be running. Dave and Jeff arent goin to have time to have KOH qualifierers. They actually have jobs. This seems to be a great way to get teams to invest in this sport instead of having teams showin up to race KOH and nothing else through out the year.

is it possible for a no name with no background in competition to compete? i would like to sign up for the LCQ for 2010, i doubt i would make it to the actual race with only a 22re, but since im going down there no matter what i might as well try.

also, where are the tech regulations posted? (ex. rollcage req. saftey equip. navigation. etc.)

"I don't see how the Vegas to Reno race comes into play. It is nothing like KOH.
And that goes double for the hillclimb race."



I'm sure its because these are places KOH rigs will be running. Dave and Jeff arent goin to have time to have KOH qualifierers. They actually have jobs. This seems to be a great way to get teams to invest in this sport instead of having teams showin up to race KOH and nothing else through out the year.

This makes perfect sense. Case and point; Joe shmoe wants to be "in" KOH 2010. Joe Schmoe finds a way to compete, he aint got the money, so he finds sponsors. Sponsors and fans adorn his completion of 986 miles from Vegas to Reno, and he has earned it! Now Joe is ready for KOH, he brings his sponsors, name , trail of whatever,.........................and everyone is better off, even if he only makes it 9 miles in KOH 2010. Exposure.

Thats why when my shitbox breaks at mile marker 67 next year, I am going to run to the finish line on foot, I just hope my co-dawg can carry that extra battery and the parker pumper. Lucky for him I will tab him out for an HID light bar, so he will at least look cool.:laughing: And still beat all the f-toys, even Mustard dogs! Just fukin with ya!

Easy.

This makes perfect sense. Case and point; Joe shmoe wants to be "in" KOH 2010. Joe Schmoe finds a way to compete, he aint got the money, so he finds sponsors. Sponsors and fans adorn his completion of 986 miles from Vegas to Reno, and he has earned it! Now Joe is ready for KOH, he brings his sponsors, name , trail of whatever,.........................and everyone is better off, even if he only makes it 9 miles in KOH 2010. Exposure.

Thats why when my shitbox breaks at mile marker 67 next year, I am going to run to the finish line on foot, I just hope my co-dawg can carry that extra battery and the parker pumper. Lucky for him I will tab him out for an HID light bar, so he will at least look cool.:laughing: And still beat all the f-toys, even Mustard dogs! Just fukin with ya!

Easy.

Its nice to be able to take our cars to more than one venue. It was a little hard going to sponsors and telling them I'm building a buggy for one race a year...now gimme some free stuff! :p

Marketing gentlemen...marketing.

It was hard finding time to market my buggy when I didn't even have enough time to build my buggy! When opportunities were available to do interviews and develop storylines for the race I was still running around wiring our radios, trying to figure out how to put a D-cell on, and welding up mounts for my Parker Pumper in the parking lot. :laughing:

I'm saying that the qualifiers in other events is about marketing for KOH...and the other events at the same time. Win/Win/Win.

There are lots of details to work out with BITD for this race, but You will not be able to race a Jeepspeed in the KOH class. KOH will be KOH style cars. Rule book will take some time as we will try and make a rule book that will also cover 2010 KOH.

There is already a class for jeepspeeds, there is nothing for unlimited 4wheel drive cars. We are trying to make that happen.

Jeff

But we could enter a Jeepspeed in the KOH class?
Since there are no rules that constitute what a KOH car is....
Just thinkin' out loud here.....

But we could enter a Jeepspeed in the KOH class?
Since there are no rules that constitute what a KOH car is....
Just thinkin' out loud here.....
Negative batman. This question came up when the qualifiers were announced and Jeff and Dave made it clear that for Vegas to Reno you must be in the KOH class in order to qualify for the 2010 KOH race. For Lands End you must be in the rock racer class to qualify for 2010 KOH, even if there are two other truck classes.

is it possible for a no name with no background in competition to compete? i would like to sign up for the LCQ for 2010, i doubt i would make it to the actual race with only a 22re, but since im going down there no matter what i might as well try.

also, where are the tech regulations posted? (ex. rollcage req. saftey equip. navigation. etc.)

there were a couple of guys who ran 4 bangers and did ok and some even finshined. I am trying with 22re for the east coast KOH RCQ Atleast I can say I tryed and I can have fun.

also, where are the tech regulations posted? (ex. rollcage req. saftey equip. navigation. etc.)

Here you go 2009 Rules (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747395&highlight=)

I am trying with 22re for the east coast KOH

Yea ??? Me too, but mine has a hair dryer and a few extra goodies........

Negative batman. This question came up when the qualifiers were announced and Jeff and Dave made it clear that for Vegas to Reno you must be in the KOH class in order to qualify for the 2010 KOH race. For Lands End you must be in the rock racer class to qualify for 2010 KOH, even if there are two other truck classes.

Why 'negative?'
Enter a Jeepspeed (to make it easier for you, I'll say Jeepspeed type rig) in the KOH class.
What is the difference between a Jeepspeed car and a KOH car?
There is no definition of a KOH car (as proved by the four bangers and the sixes and the big eights that raced this year.)
I am not talking about some two wheel drive rig here. Some of them are running 9's front and rear. If planned and built right they should be able to be very competitive.
They could also enter in the Rock Racer class at Lands End.
People like to able to identify with the cars in races. Having rigs that resemble production vehicles is a goooooood thing.

:D

Easy Rick took 3rd with his 4 cyl Toy motor in the 2008 KOH. Then he built a new bad-ass buggy for 2009 and could only tie what he did the year before.



Good to see you moved up one Rick, it was hard teasing you about finishing in 4th.... :flipoff2:



iirc he also had a hair dryer on his 2008 KOH car.

Why 'negative?'
Enter a Jeepspeed (to make it easier for you, I'll say Jeepspeed type rig) in the KOH class.
What is the difference between a Jeepspeed car and a KOH car?
There is no definition of a KOH car (as proved by the four bangers and the sixes and the big eights that raced this year.)
I am not talking about some two wheel drive rig here. Some of them are running 9's front and rear. If planned and built right they should be able to be very competitive.
They could also enter in the Rock Racer class at Lands End.
People like to able to identify with the cars in races. Having rigs that resemble production vehicles is a goooooood thing.

:D


Rick, would you run said JS in the KOH next year? If so, bring it.

Rick, would you run said JS in the KOH next year? If so, bring it.

I'm hoping to get a couple of cars under the NAXJA banner in both races.
(I guess that would be in 'all three races')

:D

There was not a rig on that lakebed I would want to go 1000 miles in. That is why I wondered if they have to finish.



you pussy :flipoff2:

it is over a 3 day period. that is a piece of cake. :laughing:

there are many KOH rigs that I would choose over a JS in the baja 1000. hell a primary function of my rig is to pre-run the baja 1000 in.

I see the various points here. In an unlimited race/class anything goes. This year we had a couple of TJ's in the race, and in the LCQ there were Jeeps, Trackers, Broncos, Toyotas and whatever. I can see that it will be a challenge to write rules and define what a "KOH" car is exactly.

It would also be hard to say that you must race the car you qualified in. Why couldn't someone who qualifies at Rausch Creek in May this year not build or race a different car in KOH 2010?

Lot's of stuff to work out........

My team has committed to the 2010 KOH. We would be happy to take a crack at either the Land's End Hill Climb or the LCQ. The car we would use for the hill-climb would be somewhat different then what we would race at the LCQ - as far as drivetrain goes.

We are gonna fire in an app and keep our fingers crossed. Best of luck to everyone that wants in.

Ohh, the naysayers.........:flipoff2: I will throw in my third seat and you can shoot some great pics of me passing, from the inside out!:laughing:

Let me know!:grinpimp:

Easy.

HELL YA! If the Midget is scared I will ride and shoot pictures/video of what ever you want!!!!