I was reading the ProRocks post and figured I would just get it out how much I can't stand that asshole. He is nothing but a scam artist and was resposible for getting or best wheeling spot closed. We used to wheel at Fort Hood in Kileen TX. When they weren't out running around in their tanks, the military would let us use there training grounds to wheel and these places are huge and filled with large amounts of limestone ledges and washes. It was such a great place that TX4X4 had there yearly event there. I was actually at the last one there ever was because Bob Hazel came along and tried to get an event going. Everyone who entered this part of the base had to sign up, watch a video and get a pass to enter. Bob was just going to have everyone show up without doing this. On top of that, you have to pay to camp there unless you are military. He instead tried to get this friend of his who is military to reserve the whole camp site for free and then he was going to turn around and charge everyone to camp. Because of this he pissed off somebody and they closed the whole thing down and havn't let us back in for 3 years now. He can kiss my ass and you will never find anyone from bear4x4 at one of his shitty events. Sports in the rough can eat my ass with a spoon!!!:mad3: :flipoff:

So... how do you *really* feel?

Originally posted by jeeper111
Sports in the rough can eat my ass with a spoon!!!

Yikes! :D

yea, quit with the sugar coating and tell us how you really feel!

Is this true, or are you jumping on the bandwagon?

Good chance the guy could be a complete ass, but one-sided stories don't mean much, IMHO.

He looked me in the eye at Poo Rock and told me that the guys putting on ERoCC were not non-profit and that they were all benefitting monetarily from it. I got a little agitated and questioned him as to ho w he KNEW ERoCC wasn't run non-profit (which they are). He said to a judge "who is this guy with", then he saw shupee, then he STFU. He also tried to babyface at the awards ceremony.

Good for you Shupee for not covering your ERoCC stickers :D

Damn..........that kinda sucks. I was in the Army years ago and was an M.P. on Ft. Campbell. I can tell you from my experience that no "4x4ing or offroading" was allowed on base. Ft. Campbell has 40K plus acerage, but due to liability issues it wasnt allowed.

Maybe you should write a letter to the Mags and to Bob Hazel??

Hey David, wasn't there a little fiasco going between Hazel and MTTR a few years back! man this thread hits so close to home for us TN boys, I'll never go back to a ROSSER/ Sports in the Rough event again, he pissed the land owners off really bad down here at Monteagle because of his BS. MTTR was the sponsor club and they got caught with the responsibility of cleaning his mess up so that the trails would still be open. :mad3: :flipoff: Bob Hazel

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Hey David, wasn't there a little fiasco going between Hazel and MTTR a few years back! man this thread hits so close to home for us TN boys, I'll never go back to a ROSSER/ Sports in the Rough event again, he pissed the land owners off really bad down here at Monteagle because of his BS. MTTR was the sponsor club and they got caught with the responsibility of cleaning his mess up so that the trails would still be open. :mad3: :flipoff: Bob Hazel


I heard he got all you local boys kicked out of Monteagle for a while. What's the story with that?

Screw it, guy really does sound like not only a shitty promoter, but a jackass, as well.

heard all of this from a guy who worked in that department under the general who made the decision to close it down. This general liked to hunt and wanted us off of the land anyway but he needed a reason. We worked hard to make sure there was no trash left behind and tried to make sure there was nothing going on to piss anyone off and then Bob Hazel comes along and tries to scam evyone and ruins it for us.

This is interesting, I don't know a guy who worked in that department under the general but I heard that Ft. Ord closed the base to four wheeling because they were simply devoting too much manpower to policing us (the video and waivers, like you mentioned), plus... the place was getting thrashed! It is sad to say, but Chicken Foot and Nosebleed were way worse (wider and more dug out) when the base was closed than they were just a couple of years prior. Just too many people using too small of an area.

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Hey David, wasn't there a little fiasco going between Hazel and MTTR a few years back! man this thread hits so close to home for us TN boys, I'll never go back to a ROSSER/ Sports in the Rough event again, he pissed the land owners off really bad down here at Monteagle because of his BS. MTTR was the sponsor club and they got caught with the responsibility of cleaning his mess up so that the trails would still be open. :mad3: :flipoff: Bob Hazel

Jay, I think this is why Rosser no longer has anything to do with
"Mr. Hazel" . The Monteagle event this weekend coming up, is a TOR/Rosser event. "Bob" has his event down the street in Chattanooga.
I think "Bob" had the chance to lease a lot more property during Memorial Day weekend in Monteagle and decided it was too costly, so he declined. I'm sure if it weren't for TOR "Bob" would be run out of Monteagle forever..
P.S. Don't mention his name in,or near Tellico, you're liable to get your tongue yanked out of your neck...

Ricky...seeya...

I cann't tell the whole story because I'm not a member of MTTR but some of the trails did get closed because of HAZEL. The Middle Tennessee Trail Runners are one of the biggest clubs in this area and I love riding in Monteagle/Cowan because they do such a good job of trail leading, keeping the trails open and cleaning up. David is the one to ask for dirt on Bob, all I know is TOR did take over the events for Rosser which I still will not go to ( I don't think they inspect the vehicles and that's why you have 50+ rigs on one trail ride, that's BS! ).... anyway Bob got booted and for good reason.

For once, I will be *nice*.


Here is a letter I wrote a little over a year ago on behalf of our club, that sums up *some* of what we have had to deal with in the aftermath of these large events - such as the ones Bob puts on.

http://tennessee4x4.com/trailrunners/where_we_ride.htm

In all fairness - not all of the negative impact is due directly to Bob - some just comes with our sport getting big, and not having all of your bases covered before jumping into these kinds of things.

I will say that Bob uses the hard work of volunteer people and clubs to do the "grunt" work of his events, and frequently that relationship leaves Bob with money in his pockets, and the volunteers with a sour taste in their collective mouthes...


FYI - this is DRM speaking for myself, not for my club (MTTR) or anyone else.

From my own observations - Bob uses people to make money for himself... and those people who are used are NOT happy with him.

That's too bad. I was at the first Pocono Trail Fest back in '06 (or whenever the f*ck it was) and one of the Rosser relatives spotted me thru Rattler... Can't remember his name, but he was a "Rosser". Really nice guy, even tho he was owner of a company. Anyway, he and Bob seemed to have a decent partnership working out.

As for the event itself, at that time I only had Big Dogs events to compare it to, and the Trail Fest wasn't as fun I didn't think. The guides weren't very nice, and the raffle was kinda sucky. What finally hit me was the people. The people make the event. Think about the last fun event you attended/ran/spectated at. (Is that a word?) I bet the judges were cool, the folks registering you were fun, and the organizers instilled a good attitude in their volunteers.

I got a luke warm reception from Bob himself, and I think his attitude (good or bad) kinda reflects on the whole event.

Not saying I wouldn't go again, but regardless, I haven't been back to a SITR event.

Originally posted by robc10x
That's too bad. I was at the first Pocono Trail Fest back in '06 (or whenever the f*ck it was)

'06? You living in the future dude? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by 4x4Grrl


'06? You living in the future dude? :flipoff2:


Yup - and you better catch up :p

Originally posted by DRM
From my own observations - Bob uses people to make money for himself... and those people who are used are NOT happy with him.

And in all fairness, it's a fine line you have to walk. For example, I pay our local club $1,000 to host a 1-day mud race. So, I am giving them something. BUT, if you were to break down the hours they put in to a $/man-hour figure, and then consider that this is happening on a weekend, it wouldn't look like very much cash. On the other hand, if I had to pay $30-50 an hour (like most folks would make at OT/weekend rates), the event would quickly become unprofitable.

And that's the dilemma. Even someone as established as Hazel couldn't possibly afford a full-time staff to man all these events. This is a business & he IS the one that's going to make the $$$. He's also the one taking the risk by doing the event in the first place. So, people generally understand the relationship. But, you have to make sure the volunteers don't come away feeling used. And doing that can be a tricky game. I've been lucky so far to maintain a healthy relationship with the volunteers who've helped me. But, the guy who is often the promoter (for reference, I don't really promote my own events, I'm paid by the promoter to CONDUCT the event) has had some trouble in this area. And I'm not really sure why. Nothing like the rep Hazel has gotten, but it's happened, and sometimes you've really got to be careful to make sure it doesn't become a habit.

TEX

Originally posted by TEX


And in all fairness, it's a fine line you have to walk. For example, I pay our local club $1,000 to host a 1-day mud race. So, I am giving them something. BUT, if you were to break down the hours they put in to a $/man-hour figure, and then consider that this is happening on a weekend, it wouldn't look like very much cash. On the other hand, if I had to pay $30-50 an hour (like most folks would make at OT/weekend rates), the event would quickly become unprofitable.


TEX

I feel most of the volunters that I have encountered truely enjoy supporting the events and bringing joy and fulfilment to the participants. That is until they have had a bad experience, or feel used. This could be as simple as failing to appreciate their efforts, or passing the dirty jobs onto them, while the promoter sits in their dry, air conditioned rig talking on a cell phone about next weekends cash cow.

Most of the participants are fully aware of the volunteers commitment and are very quick to say thanks! I know I hear it after every competitor comes off an obstacle and gets their scorecard at Erocc. We are also compassionate to those that are being used, even if they don't know it!

Can I get a big ASS thanks to all you that actually "DO" make these events happen!

As someone who volunteered at the ProRocks this past weekend, I got nothing...no t-shirt, no free dinner (no invitation), zilch. I didn't mind tho since I was there for Troy and his staff much moreso than Snob Hazel, but it would have been nice to see his staff at least be polite and friendly to the volunteers - my wife thought he was a complete ass (cute little blonde working the water tent).

(don't know how the volunteer judges were treated....not part of that gang)

One of the local clubs here in Cali got scammed by Bob also. He needed help for one of his big events. He needed about 25 people and asked a local club to help. In return the club would get 2 winches for their annual fund raiser. Needless to say he finaly came through with the winches1 1/2 years later and only because he needed help for another event in this area. So as far as I care, he can kiss my ass. :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:

Originally posted by jp junkie
Needless to say he finaly came through with the winches1 1/2 years later and only because he needed help for another event in this area.

This is probably a terrible thing to say............................................... ........................
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........but I'm going to anyway. Think he actually paid for those winches?


TEX

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


I feel most of the volunters that I have encountered truely enjoy supporting the events and bringing joy and fulfilment to the participants.

Yup, generally the volunteers are such enthusiastic supporters of the sport they're just happy to be involved. And the sport REALLY needs these folks. Couldn't be done w/o 'em.

TEX

DRM was exceptionally nice. I was camping with our President (MTTR) at the last event we worked with Hazel. Arrangements were that Bob was supposed to get permission PRIOR to the event. Well John's wife got chewed out at the WMA she lead a ride to (and several other land owners chewed out trail leaders) because they had NOT been notified. John went to talk to Hazel as soon as he found out. Hazel was "So What". I've never seen John so mad in all my life. To this day if Lynn ever catches Hazel in a dark alley he will be a dead man. Not notifying the land owners prior to bringing lots of people in got several areas shut down. We've managed to get back into some areas but it has taken lots of work and there is lots of animosity still.

Robert

This is probably a terrible thing to say............................................... ................................but I'm going to anyway. Think he actually paid for those winches?


Of course not. It was the Warn Rockcrawling Championship. It was part of the deal. Do you think the folks that helped, took a day off of work to help put money in Bob's pocket? Hell no, they did it to help their non profit 4x4 club have cool raffle prizes for their fund raiser, which was the two winches. :mad:

Originally posted by bigdude
He looked me in the eye at Poo Rock and told me that the guys putting on ERoCC were not non-profit and that they were all benefitting monetarily from it. I got a little agitated and questioned him as to ho w he KNEW ERoCC wasn't run non-profit (which they are). He said to a judge "who is this guy with", then he saw shupee, then he STFU. He also tried to babyface at the awards ceremony.

Good for you Shupee for not covering your ERoCC stickers :D

Kev,

Thanks for takin' up for us. I can attest that nobody at ERoCC (http://www.erocc.com/) (aka. TrailKeepers (http://www.trailkeepers.org/)) is making a penny off of the events. I know you wanted me to say something to Bob, but it just didn't make sense to get into an argument with a guy who has no integrity. It only makes us at ERoCC (http://www.erocc.com/) look like we are on his playing field, and judging by the last event he had, we are not.

With that said, I vowed in 1998, after the Rosser Roundup put on by Bob H., that I would never attend another Hazel event. I broke that vow to come support the Badlands, Troy Meyers, Ken Shupe, Chris Durham, Bryan Hamilton, Rusty Bray, Sweet D (Darrel Motley) you (Big Dude), SpaceGhost, Ron Maximoff, and many others that I'm sure I have forgotten.

I am now making a vow, once again, that I will never attend or participate in another SITR event. After what was said to you out of complete malice, it's apparent that Bob shoots from the hip in hopes that he can cause other events harm while only benefiting himself. There was no reason, other than bad intentions, for him to make that comment. A fine brethern of the OHV community he has turned out to be. Since I'm under the cloak of "ERoCC Representative" at this point, I'll refrain from what I'd really like to say.
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jeepinchad
I broke that vow to come support the Badlands, Troy Meyers, Ken Shupe, Chris Durham, Bryan Hamilton, Rusty Bray, Sweet D (Darrel Motley) you (Big Dude), SpaceGhost, Ron Maximoff, and many others that I'm sure I have forgotten.

Hey man, I don't see my name in there! Someone has to get me a Blatz from the cooler when I'm busy holding the flashlight for SpaceGhost. :flipoff2:

cmk

The last comp. I was part of was one of his and what burned my ass was that he raised the entry $100 and only gave plaques to the drivers not the spotters even after his long speach about how it was a team and how much one helped the other and so on. I know in the years prior he gave out one each and it was $250 to compete not $350 so for 60 teams that is $6000 extra and then he skimped on throghies to boot....Hmmm I wonder who got to keep all the extra $$$. Im sure he donated it to a good cause.............

I am also trying to be decent about this, but... Ever notice at ANY of the raffles that there is NOT 1 item given away from "SITR" They are ALL from other sponsors. Oh, wait... he does give a free pass to another event that is usually across the country, so no one can use it....
He is just slicker than we are giving him credit for.
Ricky...seeya...

I was reading the ProRocks post and figured I would just get it out how much I can't stand that asshole. He is nothing but a scam artist and was resposible for getting or best wheeling spot closed. We used to wheel at Fort Hood in Kileen TX. When they weren't out running around in their tanks, the military would let us use there training grounds to wheel and these places are huge and filled with large amounts of limestone ledges and washes. It was such a great place that TX4X4 had there yearly event there. I was actually at the last one there ever was because Bob Hazel came along and tried to get an event going. Everyone who entered this part of the base had to sign up, watch a video and get a pass to enter. Bob was just going to have everyone show up without doing this. On top of that, you have to pay to camp there unless you are military. He instead tried to get this friend of his who is military to reserve the whole camp site for free and then he was going to turn around and charge everyone to camp. Because of this he pissed off somebody and they closed the whole thing down and havn't let us back in for 3 years now. He can kiss my ass and you will never find anyone from bear4x4 at one of his shitty events. Sports in the rough can eat my ass with a spoon!!!

We were contacted and invited by the president of a 4x4 club to do an event there. But, you didn't know this.

The area was not closed because of that event that never happened. There were other reasons for the closure. But you are determined to believe that is was anyway.

Think about this for a sec, please. What if you're wrong? If so, then all this ranting, raving and bashing has been for what good and of benefit to whom?

Well, I'm the beneficiary, I guess.
The timing really sucked, I'll admit that...:)
Sir, you do not have all the facts. And it's human nature to want to strike out and place blame.

He looked me in the eye at Poo Rock and told me that the guys putting on ERoCC were not non-profit and that they were all benefitting monetarily from it. I got a little agitated and questioned him as to ho w he KNEW ERoCC wasn't run non-profit (which they are). He said to a judge "who is this guy with", then he saw shupee, then he STFU. He also tried to babyface at the awards ceremony.

Never once did I say "Eeroc" during that conversation w/Mr Shupe, not once. Obviously, you thought I did.

Ken may remember.

The last comp. I was part of was one of his and what burned my ass was that he raised the entry $100 and only gave plaques to the drivers not the spotters even after his long speach about how it was a team and how much one helped the other and so on. I know in the years prior he gave out one each and it was $250 to compete not $350 so for 60 teams that is $6000 extra and then he skimped on throghies to boot....Hmmm I wonder who got to keep all the extra $$$. Im sure he donated it to a good cause.............

You're correct that we did an event where the spotters did not receive plaques. That was a mistake on my part. I'd mistakenly ordered plaques for number of vehicles entered and not all drivers and spotters. I think I'm correct in saying that's the only events where this happened. I apologize for the mistake.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

As someone who volunteered at the ProRocks this past weekend, I got nothing...no t-shirt, no free dinner (no invitation), zilch. I didn't mind tho since I was there for Troy and his staff much moreso than Snob Hazel, but it would have been nice to see his staff at least be polite and friendly to the volunteers - my wife thought he was a complete ass (cute little blonde working the water tent).

I remember you and your wife. I borrowed a seat at your water tent to key-in some scores. And I remember a female asking me some questions while I was doing this and I didn't answer her. I was not meaning to be rude in any way, but felt it necessary to concentrate on getting the scores correct. In retrospect, I can see how it may have seemed like I was 'an asshole', but that was never intended. I apologize to you and your wife.

The water sure was cold and I sure appreciated that you'd made it available.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

One of the local clubs here in Cali got scammed by Bob also. He needed help for one of his big events. He needed about 25 people and asked a local club to help. In return the club would get 2 winches for their annual fund raiser. Needless to say he finaly came through with the winches1 1/2 years later and only because he needed help for another event in this area. So as far as I care, he can kiss my ass.

Yep, the club did not receive those winches for a long time. But, not for the reason/s stated above.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

PS It's really not anyone's business, but those winches were bought by SITR. They were not a freebie. Another brand of winches had originally been ordered thru a distributor, but were never shipped.

Originally posted by safari

PS It's really not anyone's business, but those winches were bought by SITR. They were not a freebie. Another brand of winches had originally been ordered thru a distributor, but were never shipped.

I can tell you he's probably not lying there. Though, he didn't say he probably got the winches at a pretty deep discount. Warn isn't the same company it used to be, the day of freebies is going away fast.

Meantime... $350 entrance fee, 17 participants, $5,950 total. Why so little pay off for placing?

wow, Bob steps up to the plate...

Hopefully this forum can provide you with some perspective on how other's view your actions, Bob. At least it will give you a chance to defend them.

P.S. Welcome to the board, you should visit everyday. You will learn a lot about rockcrawling, 'cause everyone who is anyone is on this board.

And, since no one else has said it yet,

SEARCH - YA FAWKIN' NEWBIE SCUM!!!

that is the main question i have. i entered and they said 3500 to win at disney, and now i am hearing 1000. is all that made it to #1 place. what gives?

great elf, you ran off bob. and he was right in the middle of some serious damage control.

If that's all it takes to run him off, then he shouldn't be here anyways...

He'll be back.

he just started a new thread

Ok I am going to get in on this as well since I have led several rides for hazel at the Monteagle events and I am a member of MTTR .Plain and simple BOB is a parasite/leach who exploits the generosity of others for his own monetary gain...Sure his creativity in starting events was ingenious.However, flagrant disrespect for landowners,volunters,trail leaders and participants is criminal and extremely destructive to the sport.Bob is like a disease that slowly destroys everything he comes in contact with. However, I am sad to say that my own club MTTR is not completely innocent in this whole pile of crap..Sure after the first two events shame on bOB after that shame on MTTR..MY own club was so nieve into believing that BOB was not involved in the last memorial day event..I guess everyone thought BOB was such a NICE GUY that he would advertise the event for free in his dirty times magazine.Then when they see him they are all shocked..COME ON people ...The majority of people know what BOB is about and what he cares about.The problem is there are unfortunately enough people out there who have no clue about him and continue to give him money;but, worst of all they give him their support and trust.Remember,he can only pull this stuff with others helping..Thank god taht number is dwindling.Anytime bob you may feel free to STANDUP and tell everyone about all the good deeds you have done and how we are all wrong... Oh, and lastly BOB. You may feel free to remove me from your DIRTY TIMES mailing list as it goes straight into the trash.

Originally posted by elf_cruiser

And, since no one else has said it yet,

SEARCH - YA FAWKIN' NEWBIE SCUM!!! [/B]

ELF YOUR THE MAN...wish I would have seen the post sooner.

that is the main question i have. i entered and they said 3500 to win at disney, and now i am hearing 1000. is all that made it to #1 place. what gives?

Who is 'they'?

Who is 'they'?

They is you, you are them, them are you, they are you.

Meantime... $350 entrance fee, 17 participants, $5,950 total. Why so little pay off for placing?

Money was awarded 1st thru 10th in both classes with funds held over for the series' 1st - 3rd winners.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

PS Mail order on the winches, not 'deep discount'.

They is you, you are them, them are you, they are you.

You were never told that by myself or anyone with SITR. You may have heard it from someone else, maybe on the Net, but not from us.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

PS If you believed this to be a fact, why wait and post it on the Net at such a late date?

that is what sitr had one the singup page on the net for the disney event. aren't you sitr?

You may feel free to remove me from your DIRTY TIMES mailing list as it goes straight into the trash.

OK, I'll honor your request, but...who are you?

Bob hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

that is what sitr had one the singup page on the net for the disney event. aren't you sitr?

Sir, SITR never had that posted on it's site, never. I'm sure there's a lot of misinformation distributed verbally and electronically about many events.

now i am calling bullshit, i checked it several times before i signed up. i just can't see how you could ask that kind of entry money and pay out so poorly. i mean that is total bullshit!

Originally posted by safari


Sir, SITR never had that posted on it's site, never. I'm sure there's a lot of misinformation distributed verbally and electronically about many events.



http://www.sportsintherough.com/prorock/proaward.asp

It says $3500 at 70 entries so I do not see anything wrong

Originally posted by safari


OK, I'll honor your request, but...who are you?

Bob hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

BOB you need to step away from the crack pipe.Don't act like you don't know who I am....Tell me how many people in the world do you know that own a blue willys pick-up on 44's that are in Tennessee......but for the sake of playing your little game BRIAN BOYD...

that page has been updated since disney and there wasn't any 70 rig min. hell at 70 rigs at 350.00 each, that 24,500 bucks.where is the rest of the money going? sounds like a big ripoff to me. i promise i would never sign up for something with those odds. hell slot machines payout better than that.

Originally posted by gunracer1
that page has been updated since disney and there wasn't any 70 rig min. hell at 70 rigs at 350.00 each, that 24,500 bucks.where is the rest of the money going? sounds like a big ripoff to me. i promise i would never sign up for something with those odds. hell slot machines payout better than that.

I have to agree with you on that he should pay out more that is why I will stay away from prorock until the pay out is better.

I think the 17 rigs, and a couple hundred spectators speaks for itself. The event was held at a nationally, well known venue, and this is the best they can do. I've never met anyone with good thing to say about Bob Hazel, or Sports In The Rough.


BigRich,

Please, don't ever deal with him

ERoCC guys,

Please, don't ever deal with him

Everyone else,

Please, stop going to his events

BOB you need to step away from the crack pipe.Don't act like you don't know who I am....Tell me how many people in the world do you know that own a blue willys pick-up on 44's that are in Tennessee......but for the sake of playing your little game BRIAN BOYD...

Damn, I'm really surprised. Fool on me I guess. Didn't expect it.

Same Brian that ran 4x4 events in '00 & '01 on Monteagle/Cowan area land that the hunting club asked you not to use? Hey, I don't know all the facts and will fess up to it.

Been fun... Shit, ...:)

The Net is great, but spend some time with family and friends.

Mr Gore did a good deed when he invented it, didn't he?

Bob Hazel
"In an effort to save the world, I invented plastic toilet paper." - Al Gore

Originally posted by safari


Damn, I'm really surprised. Fool on me I guess. Didn't expect it.

Same Brian that ran 4x4 events in '00 & '01 on Monteagle/Cowan area land that the hunting club asked you not to use? Hey, I don't know all the facts and will fess up to it.

Let me give you a fact since you have made an accusation.I at the time that you are referring to I obtained permission from the person who has the lease in his name and some members of that said club which sub-leases from the lessee.The few of the members of the hunting club ended up have "differing opinions" between each other after persmission was granted and that is were any problem arose.That is a fact. Not to mention this "action" you mentioned had nothing to do with one of your rides..Actually, the irony is it was a "get together of friends" at my grandmothers which boycotted your event in Monteagle...Even the guys at JP magazine stayed with me and covered us (JP NOVEMBER 2001 "GITTIN AFTER IT" on page 63.) even though they were suppossed to be covering your event. They were pissed at you to and didn't want to cover your event and opted for a grassroots get together of friends...I would surmise that suggests something about you as well....Anyways, I didn't lead a ride in 2001.Last time was memorial day 2000.Honestly Bob you should not be suprised that there are members of MTTR that are not happy with the way you have done some things.If you are maybe you should have taken the time a long time ago to work with folks and preserving the sport we all love rather then working to soley benefit from it.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
I know its nuthin but when are you gonna send the guys who did the West Virginia event a fawkin t-shirt.
You know I have heard many bad things about SITR events,ours was pretty fawked up but a lot of people said it went well for a Hazel event.Oh, and BTW:flipoff2:

Way to speak up fellow mttr members , Mr. Hazel leaves a wake of crap everywhere he goes , I went on a ride in 2000 that was supposed to be a level 3 and it turned out to be a level 1 ride . Having to follow a bunch of stock Jeeps sucked , all due to greediness on you know who . :flipoff2:

Originally posted by lorent eb
Way to speak up fellow mttr members , Mr. Hazel leaves a wake of crap everywhere he goes , I went on a ride in 2000 that was supposed to be a level 3 and it turned out to be a level 1 ride . Having to follow a bunch of stock Jeeps sucked , all due to greediness on you know who . :flipoff2:

that wasn't the rosser run in monteagle may of 2000 was it? i went on a run like that there and then. heck we didn't get back until like 3 in the morning or something like that. it sucked. we were the last run leaving so all of the late comers got thrown in the group reguardless of how the rig was equipped.

Originally posted by safari


Never once did I say "Eeroc" during that conversation w/Mr Shupe, not once. Obviously, you thought I did.

Ken may remember.

Bob you wouldn't be from Arkansas would you? Is your dogs name Buddy? Is your last name Clinton?

"I never had sex with that woman, Miss Lawinski, not once." Of course not, I bet he couldn't tell you how many times he did the deed. Kinda like your, "Never once did I say EERoc";)

Originally posted by safari
PS It's really not anyone's business, but those winches were bought by SITR. They were not a freebie.

That's in reference to my post. And I'm here to say it was wrong of me to make assumptions. You're also correct in that the source of the winches is really nobody's business. So, for that, I apologize.

Now, having said that, I'm glad we got your attention ;) I have attended one of your events - Mudstock in Potosi, MO. The volunteers were fantastic & courteous. Nobody (volunteer or SITR) treated me poorly. HOWEVER, the event did not live up to my expectations, and the $20 spectator fee was awful steep. It seemed chaotic, there was very little seating for the mud drags, and the drag track was poorly constructed, resulting in damage to many of the vehicles that attempted it. Also, for the type of advertising you put out, you could certainly attract a World-class field of competitors with some fine tuning, some organization, and a prize purse. Ideally, you'd bring in a recognized sanctioning body - feel free to contact me at mudslideq78@yahoo.com for info on several different possibilities on that. The Mud Bog also needed seating, but the folks who were watching it did at least have a good vantage point. A close friend of mine was the one to beat the "unbeatable pit", and he WAS paid the promised $$. Missouri is all about mud. A quick check of the hundreds of spectators packed around the mud vs. the 10-12 who were watching the rock crawl proved that. EVERYONE around here competes in mud. HALF of the members of my local club have dedicated mud race machines that are used for no other purpose. If you're gonna do "mud" around here, it can't be an afterthought. It's serious business. The Tough Truck & Monster exhibitions were probably the best organized part of the event, but again the amount of seating was inadequate. And as we saw, fire service was WAY too far from the action.

That's all for now :D

TEX

Originally posted by safari


Never once did I say "Eeroc" during that conversation w/Mr Shupe, not once. Obviously, you thought I did.

Ken may remember.

You looked him and I right in the eye and told both of us that "No one who puts on these type of competitions is non-profit."

I (his spotter) countered with "ERoCC is run non-profit by the Trailkeepers association."

Your reply to that was "They do not put it on non-profit"

Kens reply was "They are even donating equipment to the local fire department with some of the proceeds"

My reply was "ERoCC is donating a hydraulic ram to the fire department and they give to the Tailkeepers association with other proceeds"

Ken turned his back

You said "We'll see at the Supercrawl"

I said "What does that mean?"

You said "We'll see", "Who is this guy with"

Then Shupee pulled up to run the obstacle we were in front of.




Still doesn't ring a bell???? You're a fucking liar if you claim you didn't say that :mad:

Think about it ass, how come an upstart organization can draw 30+ rigs to their comp only 300 miles away, but your ass can barely scrape 17, and 4 of those swore never to return. ERoCC had more rigs in their first comp EVER than you did in this one, and how many have you put on before? :laughing:

Originally posted by bigdude
You said "We'll see at the Supercrawl"

I said "What does that mean?"

You said "We'll see", "Who is this guy with"

Then Shupee pulled up to run the obstacle we were in front of.


ROFLMAO Ya' couldn't blackball your first place finisher could ya' Bob?! :dumbass:

cmk

It is obvious to me now how much of a fuck head you are BOb. Do us all a favor and dont ever come back to central texas and if you ever show up in Alaska I will do everything I can to warn the clubs up there to stay away from you so dont even bother coming you dick weed!! :flipoff2: :jeep:

Learn how to be a real rockcrawler and not some scam artist you fucking NEWBIE!!!!!! Rock on Elf

Originally posted by safari
I was not meaning to be rude in any way, but felt it necessary to concentrate on getting the scores correct. In retrospect, I can see how it may have seemed like I was 'an asshole', but that was never intended. I apologize to you and your wife.

The water sure was cold and I sure appreciated that you'd made it available.


Appreciate the apology Bob, and my wife does too (just talked with her, she's in Vegas this weekend).

AND, to update my previous comments, Lisa from the Badlands was on the phone with wife the same time I was (too many phones) - apparrently she's sending a Badlands gift packet for us and the other volunteers we drug down. Thanks a ton! :D :D

:flipoff2: Yeah BOB where are the freaking shirts you promised us. We worked our asses off making those trails for months on end. Granted the club did decide to volunteer our time to help with your event so West Virginia could get more exposure as a good state to wheel in.
I just wish that you realized without MOR(mountaineer offroad) and CVC(chemical valley crawlers) you would not have had an event, PERIOD. I worked my ass off for those 3 days and didnt even get a thank you. papabear and 4x4xtreme were there and worked hard as well. I would think for someone that enjoys raking in the cash like you do, you would want to be more involved, and appreciative .

I look forward to the day you retire and Tre takes over. I dont know how the rest of the people in the clubs involved feel, these are just my personal thoughts.

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by woody
AND, to update my previous comments, Lisa from the Badlands was on the phone with wife the same time I was (too many phones) - apparrently she's sending a Badlands gift packet for us and the other volunteers we drug down. Thanks a ton! :D :D

Kudos to Troy and Lisa !

And to Bob, "may your armpits have the stench of a thousand camels."

cmk

And everyone in our group from memphis is anti Bob as well. We have been to many(not any more)SITR events and they all had some kinda screw-up some where along the way.Bob is a money hungry asswrangler.:flipoff2: :flipoff2: And i think i speak for my group from Memphis(there are 10-12 of us) When I say lick my harry balls bob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by High5


that wasn't the rosser run in monteagle may of 2000 was it? i went on a run like that there and then. heck we didn't get back until like 3 in the morning or something like that. it sucked. we were the last run leaving so all of the late comers got thrown in the group reguardless of how the rig was equipped. I along w/the Memp group was there with you.We rode the peanutbutter bowl and had a bunch of sissy ass Jeeps who should not have been with us. That really sucked!!

Originally posted by safari
Been fun... Shit, ...:)

The Net is great, but spend some time with family and friends.

Mr Gore did a good deed when he invented it, didn't he?

Bob Hazel
"In an effort to save the world, I invented plastic toilet paper." - Al Gore

Seems that alot of what was said to you, really didn't register did it.
Shrug it off just like all of the shit you leave behind.
The guys I run with will never attend another SITR event, about ten or so, but that doesn't bother you at all does it.
Wake up dickhead.
You seem to idolize Al Gore, IMO, that makes you twice the jackass I originally took you for. :rolleyes:

"Sports in the Rough" always sounded too much like "Sports in the Butthole" to me :rolleyes:

I am hesitant to call offroading a "sport" anyhow. It's really more than a sport. I think it takes a simple-minded person to try to turn it into a sport......

Do you really believe that Safari is Bob Hazel????

Originally posted by RKCRAWLER
I along w/the Memp group was there with you.We rode the peanutbutter bowl and had a bunch of sissy ass Jeeps who should not have been with us. That really sucked!!

i am not sure of the trail names. i was there in my orange and black lengthened cj5 i was riding the 3 rated trail because my buddy witht he grey samurai didn't have a winch. anyway it really sucked. especially the kid with the cj7 with no hood that broke everything he had and had to be towed out. and it rained when it got dark on top of it all!!! i have not been on an organized event run since.

Originally posted by High5


i am not sure of the trail names. i was there in my orange and black lengthened cj5 i was riding the 3 rated trail because my buddy witht he grey samurai didn't have a winch. anyway it really sucked. especially the kid with the cj7 with no hood that broke everything he had and had to be towed out. and it rained when it got dark on top of it all!!! i have not been on an organized event run since.

Sorry to hear it went bad for you - we at MTTR tries to do the best we could with the hand we were dealt when leading trails at Monteagle.


Come on back some time - things are getting better ;)

Originally posted by safari


We were contacted and invited by the president of a 4x4 club to do an event there. But, you didn't know this.
When you announced your intensions of holding an event at Ft Hood, every club in central Texas cringed. Public wheeling places are scare here and we try to keep them out of the lime light. I can assure you it was not a club idea.

The area was not closed because of that event that never happened. There were other reasons for the closure. But you are determined to believe that is was anyway. [/QUOTE]

Yes, relations with Ft Hood were a rollercoaster at times but we were always able to smooth things over. There was always some idiot who would go where they weren't suppose to or disturb an archeological site. Due to this, there were those that wanted to close it down. Luckily, there were also people who wanted it to stay open for the responsible wheelers and clubs who would also report wrong doings. Your "event" threw the balance of power out of whack. Ft Hood did not want the publicity.

Think about this for a sec, please. What if you're wrong? If so, then all this ranting, raving and bashing has been for what good and of benefit to whom?

Well, I'm the beneficiary, I guess.[/QUOTE]

If you call a bad rep a benefit I guess so.

The timing really sucked, I'll admit that...:)[/QUOTE]

You had a date for the event set. I would assume you already had permission to hold the event on Ft Hood before setting this date. Kinda weird that they pulled the plug after giving you permission.

Sir, you do not have all the facts. And it's human nature to want to strike out and place blame. [/QUOTE]

So give us the facts. As it stands right now, you are unwelcomed in Texas.

yjfish writes, "Do you really believe that Safari is Bob Hazel????"

Who esle would sign the post as Bob Hazel?

Get a clue newbie....

Do you really believe that Safari is Bob Hazel????

You bet your ass it is. I thought I knew some damn good salesman, but Bob is a master. He is to rockcrawling what Dave DelDotto is to real estate. I think Bob would greatly succed if he was a politician. Because he can make folks believe anything he wants. Too bad he doesn't use his talent to help and benefit our hobbie.:(

Well I guess I'm on the bandwagon for hating the organizers of theses events. I am aware of THREE trails that indirrectly are lost due to Events such as the ones Hazel put on.
The trails are Peidmont AL.
Allatoona GA
Other trails in Peidoment AL area.
Now in all Fairness, at one time there were two organizers in the SE doing these events. One is Bob and I do not recall the other guys name.
These organizers often just show up with no warning. When an event is held on FS property it has to be pre approved. Seldom do these organizer get this apporoval.
Now Peidmont AL was mostly on private land. My understanding is an event was run there without ANY approval from the land owner. TWO WEEKS later it was closed. Huge tank traps dug to make sure nobody could get in there. Part of it was this huge event and the other part was a relative of the owner was suposidly Killed on a ATV. The Death has never been confirmed but it's a pretty well known story. I have as yet to meet anybody that whitnessed the accident, knows the land owner or the person that was suposidly killed. If you do know then Speak up and I'll retract this. I do however know that a event was run 2 weeks before the place was shut down because I know people who were participants in the event. They were with us when we went to run the trails. These were localy known trails and they owner pretty well let the locals run it or turned a blind eye.
I have heard that some other trails in that area were getting ready to be used for an event simular to if not Bobs and the FS got wind of it and blocked it all and shut it down and sent the organizer on his way when he showed up. The reason was no prior approval to run a event there.
Allatoona. POINT BLANK was closed as a result of one of these events and the aftermath it left. These trails are on Corp land. That land is bordered by private land that is leased out to hunting groups. To get to these trails you have to pass through a residential neighborhood.
I WAS ON THOSE TRAILS THAT WEEKEND with my club, when that event came through. Not a single person knew of the event coming that I was with. ALl of a suden our 10-15 trucks were over run by 60-70 truck involved with this event. My club was camped there. These trails were known localy. Riding was tolerated but not official use for the area. Never had any problems in there for years. Well along comes one of these events. They go through there balls to the wall. Ticked off all the residents of the area. Set up operations on private land and pissed off the land owners and the hunting clubs (I happen to personnaly know the presidents of one of these hunting clubs). SO after all the comotion from this, everybody is agrivated. 2 months later the event makes one of the mags. People start showing up in droves and ovewhelm the place. It's not that big of an area. One month later it's gone. You show up and not part of the hunting group and your going to get ticketed. The Hunting groups will call in the local law and the owner of the land is connected politically in the area. I'm sure I still have the magazine it was in, Just need to find it and I can confirm the organizer.
To further add insult to this some of my Club members were pulled in to help one of these organizers and pretty well got screwed by them This was long ago but it still ticks off those people to this day.
Now like I said there were two different Organizers and Bob was one of them but its been so long ago I don't remember if all or any of these events were Hazel's but they were all operated in a simular manner. Send me money, show up here. No permissions were obtained most of the time. No insurance Bonds as required. No pre warning to the Rangers/owners or people in charge of the land that was to be used.
I refuse to be part of any event run like this. If you do want to enter an event like these I would recomend you see the writen permission to be on the land for the event and insurance stuff before you send your money and attend. I qwould even go so far as to try and contact the local ranger and make sure the permission has been secured.
FACT: Events in FS controlled land are not supose to be held if it is a "for profit organzation". They are supose to be under a certain head count. If that head count is to be exceded then bonds and other stuff has to be taken care of. ITS A FACT ask your local rangers.
Anybody that has been to Dixie run the last couple years will remember how hush hush the location of the crawl deal was last year. Well it's as much because they cannot have the crowd in there as it was to keep the participants from practicing on the course. 2 years ago it was on lower 2 where there was easy access. It was abosolutly slammed. The system road was not passable for hours. The compeditiors could not even get there trucks back out to the trailer. THey exited the course and tried to find a place to park that was often a 1/4 mile away and it took them 30 minutes to get there on a road that a minivan could travel. FS got hacked because of the amount of spectators. Last year they were super hush hush and had it on 9. Well folks got wind or were ready and followed them in. Another hugh crowd that was not supose to be there. Last year it came to a head and the FS said "no more big crowds" and that's why it being held at Crawford camp on the man made rock course so they can stay in compliance with the FS rules.
How do I know how this is supose to work? Because I have helped with a couple events that we did work with the FS and did get the proper permission and were run in accordance to FS policy. Some of you may have been there. These were the Southern summer conventions. The first year I handled registration for the 200+ people that attended. That conformation e-mail or letter you got...I sent it. The second one my wife and I were busy Being pregnant and getting ready for a baby and I bowed out of the registration so you heard from Jim. The third one was hosted by another club.
Nope you will not catch me at one of these events. I stick to the ones run by true non profit organzations and let me define this. Organzations that do something some where. Like Southern 4wd. They are why Tellico is still open. I know first hand that any extra money that is made at that event is put back into the general fund and goes back into Southern sponsored deals like BUYING dozers for the FS to maintain Tellico. It doesnt go to line somebodys pocket. the labor and organzation work is all done by volenteers not somebody that makes a living off of the events they organize.

grim reaper,i think you about summed it up with that.thanks for telling what you know...

Originally posted by High5


i am not sure of the trail names. i was there in my orange and black lengthened cj5 i was riding the 3 rated trail because my buddy witht he grey samurai didn't have a winch. anyway it really sucked. especially the kid with the cj7 with no hood that broke everything he had and had to be towed out. and it rained when it got dark on top of it all!!! i have not been on an organized event run since.
Peanutbutter bowl was Tiftonia. Mt Atna. It's now closed. That place has been in termoil for years. Events held there didn't help but the problem was much deeper than that. A lot of that land was leased out to hunting clubs. The eco Nazi's were putting a lot of pressure on the owners. I think that land is owned by Bowater.

grim,
The other"promotors" name is Bill Gaylord. Mt. etna was still open even with the eco-nazi problems up til Labor Day of last year.If I recall Southern sent out in there Trail Mix before Labor Day last year a request for people to please stay out of there for the time being because of the eco problems.And that this was the best thing because Bowater had not closed it YET..Then I believe a week later who know you was there with his event...same ole same ole...

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10
grim,
The other"promotors" name is Bill Gaylord. Mt. etna was still open even with the eco-nazi problems up til Labor Day of last year.If I recall Southern sent out in there Trail Mix before Labor Day last year a request for people to please stay out of there for the time being because of the eco problems.And that this was the best thing because Bowater had not closed it YET..Then I believe a week later who know you was there with his event...same ole same ole...
Yeah I remeber Southern asking for the clubs to stay out of the area. We in fact has a schedualed ride there that we located to a different location when that came out. I was however unaware that an event showed up there without clearence to be on the property after Southern asked for it's members to steer clear of the area while they atempted to resolve the issues.
So would that be trail system #4 on my little list of trails lost in the last 5 years in the SE due to problems with these sort of show up and run events? :mad:
I'll be seeing Stefan next weekend. I'll pick his brain a little if I get a chance.
Gaylord was indeed the person I couldn't remember. What ever happend to that leach? I have not heard anything about him in a couple years.
Ohh by the way...here is a event you can sink your teeth into that shows how to do it. This is a spinoff of how fired up people got when the EROCC deal got that good press. The Atl clubs got into some good natured ribbing and decided to try to have a showdown to see who could haul the most trash out of a local ORV. Now it's become a big clean up with ALL the Atlanta clubs.
http://www.southernjeeps.org/trash/letstalktrash5.htm doing our part to try to keep from loosing any more trails.

Grim,
Believe it or not ole gaylord is still around.Myself and some friends were coming back from Booger Hill out near Tracy City(near MOnteagle) about 2 months ago and ran into him. A guy that was with me said about the same time the year before he ran into a group having a rock contest in the valley.Guess who...but, before I knew we ran into a group coming in that were him and some of his chronies..

Hmmm had not heard anything about him or any of his events in several years.
Where is Racoon mt? I know where tracy city is and Coppengercove but Bob has a event schedualed this weekend at Raccoon mtn an the dirrections sound like Tiftonia.

I am sorry grim. I was talking about Bob Gaylord put on a rock contest in coppenger cove not the other bob..yea Bob hazel is at racoonmt./mt.etna this weekend...Sorry about the confusion..

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10
I am sorry grim. I was talking about Bob Gaylord put on a rock contest in coppenger cove not the other bob..yea Bob hazel is at racoonmt./mt.etna this weekend...Sorry about the confusion..
Well he either has managed permission to get in there or plans to cut a gate. That place was major locked down last I heard. I know first hand it was gated a few months back because I was there. Suposidly the main enterence if you the combo to the padlock it was ok to go in. We thoguth we new the combo and didn't checked a couple of the enterences including all the way down where you go under the bridge and ALL were locked and the code we were given did not work on any of them.
Don't know where they are going to run unless they show up a Mont Eagle

Originally posted by Grim Reaper

Yeah I remeber Southern asking for the clubs to stay out of the area. We in fact has a schedualed ride there that we located to a different location when that came out. I was however unaware that an event showed up there without clearence to be on the property after Southern asked for it's members to steer clear of the area while they atempted to resolve the issues.
So would that be trail system #4 on my little list of trails lost in the last 5 years in the SE due to problems with these sort of show up and run events? :mad:
I'll be seeing Stefan next weekend. I'll pick his brain a little if I get a chance.
Gaylord was indeed the person I couldn't remember. What ever happend to that leach? I have not heard anything about him in a couple years.
Ohh by the way...here is a event you can sink your teeth into that shows how to do it. This is a spinoff of how fired up people got when the EROCC deal got that good press. The Atl clubs got into some good natured ribbing and decided to try to have a showdown to see who could haul the most trash out of a local ORV. Now it's become a big clean up with ALL the Atlanta clubs.
http://www.southernjeeps.org/trash/letstalktrash5.htm doing our part to try to keep from loosing any more trails.

Grim,

Your trail cleanup looks like it will be a big success. If you guys need any funds for trash bags, gloves, drinks, etc let me know and Trail Keepers can help you out. Also, if you have to pay for trash disposal we can help with that. Sorry I can't make it, but I will be busy at ERoCC that weekend.

We have our 4th Annual Livingston Trail Cleanup on October 12th. We are awarding CASH prizes for the group that collects the most trash: $500, $250, and $100. For the individual, the prizes are: $100, $50, $25. It is free to enter the competition, just sign your group of 2-10 people up at the information booth in the morning. There is also a raffle and you earn raffle tickets by collecting trash. More details are on our website: http://www.trailkeepers.org

Imagine that, a competition with a $1,025 purse and NO entry fees!

Tim

PS Tell Stefan I said Hello!

So, bob hazel is responsible for fawking up Allatoona and now NO ONE can ride there b/c of him...what a dipshit.

Originally posted by 392ssII
So, bob hazel is responsible for fawking up Allatoona and now NO ONE can ride there b/c of him...what a dipshit.
I don't recall if it was Hazel or Gaylord but yes that is what lead up to the closure. It made a magazine and the place got swarmed. Folks didn't know where they belonged and were getting up on the private property and ending up in the hunting camps. Next thing everybody knows Canton PD or Sheriff is out there handing out tickets like there is no tomorrow and running off folks. We layed low for about a year and a few people went back to feel the place out and sure enough PD shows up and ran them off. I talked to my buddy that is the president of the hunting club and He said the owner was pissed and knew enough folks in Canton to be taken serious and get PD out there. He also contacted the Corps. Then Chattahoochie river keeper eco nazi started screaming that we were causing major errosion into the lake... Folks driving into the lake when the drought had it down where you could get out onto the banks just fed fuel into the fire even though it was BS. THere was no errosion problem...there was no rain to wash it down. with the exception of the one creek crossing way up towards the front there was no creeks that were more than a trickle a foot or two accross.
I'll try to find the magazine it was in. This was about 3-4 years ago. I know I have the mag and I know it listed whos deal it was.

Originally posted by High5


i am not sure of the trail names. i was there in my orange and black lengthened cj5 i was riding the 3 rated trail because my buddy witht he grey samurai didn't have a winch. anyway it really sucked. especially the kid with the cj7 with no hood that broke everything he had and had to be towed out. and it rained when it got dark on top of it all!!! i have not been on an organized event run since.

High5, did you line up for that ride at the winery? If so, I was in that group, but was up front. The ride did suck! Over 40 vehicles in our group, with about 25 of them not really needing to be on that trail. It was a level 3 trail. We sat for 2-3 hours at time waiting for ALOT of stock vehicles to get winched through. Not only did it rain, but it poured for a good half hour. We (about the first 10-15 vehicles) ended up getting out of there and back to camp at about 10:30pm. And we heard that the rest of the group did not return until around 3:00-3:30am. Our trail ride was not the only one fawked up like this. Our trail guide for Sunday said he was the same way, he had way to many people that he led and he didn't get off the trail until 11pm. So on Sunday, he was very picky about who went on the trail. He actually made people leave because they were not equiped. Which is the way it should have been.

I have not been back since. I was not impressed. I liked Monteagle, but not the event. MTTR was great. They did the best that they could, you have to give them credit there.

Originally posted by Grim Reaper

I don't recall if it was Hazel or Gaylord but yes that is what lead up to the closure. It made a magazine and the place got swarmed. .

grim I do believe that was Bill Gayord on the Alltonia incident you speak of...and there are several ways into coppenger cove from the top side of the mountain..I know there are several rides going there this weekend for Tennessee Offroad's Labor day event.

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10


grim I do believe that was Bill Gayord on the Alltonia incident you speak of...and there are several ways into coppenger cove from the top side of the mountain..I know there are several rides going there this weekend for Tennessee Offroad's Labor day event.
Ohhh I thought he was trying to get into Tiftonia. I know that it's locked down tight.
Coppenger is fun but it's pretty well a one way drive with almost no loops. I can't imagine trying to run 40+ trucks through there. Now I have not run the whole thing. Ran mostly the resivior side and made the mistake of going up that trail that goes off at blue water and ends up on the top of the hill where they are running the utilities or gas lines. Found it gated at the road. Thankfully the old man was out there. We talked to him for a while and he finnaly opened it an let us out. It was getting late and we were pretty cose to lifting the gate off the hinges :) Absolutly no signs that the trail was closed down near the river or we would not have attempted to leave that way.

I don't want to take the burden completely off the promoters, but some of this talk about oversized groups on trails reminds me of an incident with our club several years back. We had a ride planned with a limit of 50 vehicles total. Everyone was supposed to be pre-registered, and we had about 45 spots filled. Perfect. Had 3 groups and shortly after the second group left, the 4 or 5 guys we were waiting on from Arkansas showed up to run with the 3rd group. Only they brought 25-30 rigs instead of the 4-5 they had registered. Most of the spur-of-the-moment guys who showed up had no idea they were supposed to be pre-registered because their buddies who HAD registered failed to tell them that. They just said, "Hey we're wheelin', come along". The other thing was that we had planned to take the 3rd group on the easiest trail, and the guys who showed up were mostly setup for hardcore stuff. We went ahead & registered those guys & let them run, but by lunch they got bored & most of them left. Truth be told, I was kind of tired of them bitchin' & whining about the obstacles being so lame, when they were obviously running the trail we had picked for stockers. The 2nd half of the day was much more pleasant with them gone. Not that I have any problem with those individuals & I understand them wanting to be on the tougher trails. But, when you show up LATE and UNREGISTERED, you don't have much room to gripe about what happens.

TEX

Damn BOB... I guess they told you huh? LOL...

Bob, I feel for yah man, I really do - but your not getting my pitty either :flipoff2:

Bad idea to come here and try to save face BOB because the peeps here are pitty free, especially when you outright fuck so many of them over. Actually most the people here will tell you to 'fuck off newbie' even if you didn't fuck em over :) LOL

The Potosi Mudfest or whatever it was called here in Missouri was supposedly lame as shit and run like a circus from what I heard, but who am I to say - I wasn't there. I was sweating my ass off building some trails down at OZ that weekend so we could have some real events here in Missouri for the 'rockcrawling' type of Jeepers. I heard the multitude of posers went to the mudfest to drive through your pile of trash, whatever it is you called it. That was the first time I ever heard of Trashcrawling.. sheesh... lol :D

I heard that some locals got pissed off about stuff, but I'm not sure of the details. Apparently it wasn't bad enough to get anyone arrested or shot, so that's a plus.

I do know for a fact that the location was SECRET until the last minute when everyone showed up in town and were told to just follow the signs... WTF is up with that?? I can't believe anyone registered under those circumstances but that's on them.

Anyway BOB, if you ever plan to come to Missouri again with an event, please let us know - so we can make sure you have permission to be where you are and that you don't get none of our trails closed down. That's quite a fucked up reputation to have, getting trails closed and schmidt like that... You should be ashamed of yourself...:rolleyes:

And BOB, dont ever bother calling OZ (oz.jeepthing.com) about having an event there, because it won't happen for yah.

And for GODs Sake, don't ever just show up around here with some event you've prepared without the land owners permission, cuz you don't want to deal with a pissed off missouri hillbilly !!! HAHAHAHAHA... :cool:

But I digress... :D

http://www.moroc.us/bisonrunning.gif

Originally posted by TEX
Missouri is all about mud. A quick check of the hundreds of spectators packed around the mud vs. the 10-12 who were watching the rock crawl proved that. EVERYONE around here competes in mud

Actually, most of the non-posuer Jeeps here in Missouri had previously heard about bob's reputation and skipped the event... If they had been at the event, the rockcrawling might have been more successfull.

His reputation preceded him I guess because I know 100 + rockcrawling types didn't go because of that. They were off in MTNF or Trailbuilding with me... I can't even remember how many people talked about the event, and the fact that they were not going - but there were very many... A huge crowd, at the least, that did not attend.

[Friendly Local Ribbing On] But TEX, if you really think Missouri is all about mud, then you need to hang out with us more often :) [Friendly Local Ribbing Off]

Theres plenty of nearly mud free stuff going on here in Missouri these days.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

So clear this up..

Is this AllPro Offroads Promoter???

I miss Ft. Hood :(

wow seabass drug up a post from fall of 02


congrats...

Well didn't Sports in the Rough, and Asshat Hazel fawk up Mudstock this past year in Cass, AR. I think they aren't allowed back, guess there was lots of drugs, 3 rapes, and some serious fires. Hum, those wouldn't give offroading a blackeye would they....?
Heres the thread
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276038

Well didn't Sports in the Rough, and Asshat Hazel fawk up Mudstock this past year in Cass, AR. I think they aren't allowed back, guess there was lots of drugs, 3 rapes, and some serious fires. Hum, those wouldn't give offroading a blackeye would they....?
Heres the thread
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276038


Yes, another fine event fawked up by hazel. I have no doubt this thread will live on for years..

Is this true, or are you jumping on the bandwagon?

Good chance the guy could be a complete ass, but one-sided stories don't mean much, IMHO.

Not sure if it was Bob or the other guy that was doing the same sort of deals but it is the same reasons is why we lost Allatoona in GA. I would have to go way back and didg up the magazine artical that ultimatly screwed it up.

It was a local wheeling spot. A few people in at a time was not really a issue. He showed up without getting permission from the corpes and local land owners with 50-60 rig and suport vehciles. That place you had to go through some residential areas to get there. There is no designated parking areas, it was not a managed OHV. Well all the plublicity had people showing up from all over and pissed off the local people and it got shut down.

One of those two guys did the same thing in Piedmont AL. The FS got wind of their event and were litereally standing guard waiting for them because they did not secure permits. Those trails have since been closed as well.

There is a REAL issue with some of these promoters showing up without proper arangments being made and they aften have press in tow. the place gets publicised and too many people show up and its shut down permently for the traffic problems.

FYI Mont Eagle is NOT a come anytime you want wheeling spot. You better know somebody up there and have permission to hold events there. The place is closed durring various hunting seasons. The locals will shot turkeys big and small. I'm not pointing fingers but I am aware of a planned event that the "damn locals" (some will undersand some will not) I know are not aware of permission being given to be there. :rolleyes:

Moab will soon be on the list if they keep trying to hold events there...
Have you seen upper Moab Rim :eek: :eek:

It's still fawked up and looks like shit!

I'm pretty sure that SITR and Bob Hazel are not welcome at Gray Rock or Gardendale anymore, either. I heard that they left the last "Adventure Series" ride owing some local volunteers money they had fronted for t-shirts and other things.
The rides that are held and posted on Gray Rock's web page are more organized and much more fun anyhow.
As for the Piedmont area that Grim spoke about, it was not only closed by the Forestry Service, but some local hunters dropped large trees in a criss-cross pattern over all entrances to the area. They were good too, they left no way to go around. Part of that area is National Forest and the area by Terrapin Creek is private hunting land.
I ran into Bill Gaylord a year ago and he said that they were still riding the area with a Hummer club. I don't see how. All the trails there are too narrow for a Hummer, not to mention that attracting all that attention in some bling bling vehicles would more than likely get you shot at by the locals.

Screw it, guy really does sound like not only a shitty promoter, but a jackass, as well.


Hmmm.........Nope ,I can promise you he's not afiliated with us in anyway :smokin:

Can this post get a stickey and stay at the top to remind us not to go to a sitr event!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he also took are money at cass tor a atv event that never took place and was just a way to feed the greed

I think one thing to be said is the events he tends to host - bring in the crowds that usually rape, do drugs openly, drink on the trails and so on. It is the unorganization that gets him. It's like a big party. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind partying - but I also think there is a time and a place for it.

But, having said this what is next for our sport for non competitive trail rides? You can have the organizers that just get people together and wheel (like I do) while offering prizes and so on.

These organized trail events are just like Jambo's. They cater to a certain crowd. Don't go to a Jambo and complain that the Rockcrawling wasn't competitive enough. Just dont GO!

Also JT - when you get Hardcore, let me know - me and the boays ure alwus lookn fer some wheeln'

ya.. i attended the tor of 2001 in monteagle.. one of this dipshits events.. didnt know much if anything about it.. first bad taste was.. the food sucked... raffle sucked even more.. bunch of jackasses in the crowd... but the topper was when out on the trail... him and his clique.. come up behind us.. and they just went out into the woods breaking there own trail... it was him.. and the skyjacker bunch.. plus a few others... so that pretty much ended it for me.. i dont need to be around those kind of folks..

So clear this up..

Is this AllPro Offroads Promoter???

I sure hope not, especially when All Pro has an event scheduled in Monteagle, TN in the coming year.

I think one thing to be said is the events he tends to host - bring in the crowds that usually rape, do drugs openly, drink on the trails and so on. It is the unorganization that gets him. It's like a big party. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind partying - but I also think there is a time and a place for it.

I've said before when you blur the line between participant & spectator, that's when you get problems. And you can go into it with the best of intentions, but a few bad apples can screw it up for everyone. And it's a shame because I think this kind of event can be a lot of fun. But, it's almost impossible to use "normal" security measures. And if the folks who show up aren't interested in a "family" type event, there's not much you can do to keep it that way.

TEX

The FS got wind of their event and were litereally standing guard waiting for them because they did not secure permits. Those trails have since been closed as well.

You guys needed a better working relationship with them. If you had one, FS got wind of it, called a few clubs, clubs go WTF are you talking about. Clubs and FS end up parked at the gate denying access.

at that point, the FS realizes, the off-road community is against him as well, and may actually let you continue to wheel there.

Glad to see this post here, Bob Hazel needs to stay out of Monteagle.

Just happens to be that All Pro event is on the SITR website....


BOB HAZEL!!!! You are a prick!

Just happens to be that All Pro event is on the SITR website....


BOB HAZEL!!!! You are a prick!
I think we're both close enough to protest if that dildo is involved. ;)

Though I often lurk around here and get some good tech info, I seldom post. This topic REALLY caught my attention though! I have an opinion on all this since I have lived here in Tracy City ,Tn. (approx. 5 miles from Monteagle) the majority of my life. It is "rumored" that some SITR events are scheduled for my area. For the most part...we.locals....do not want anymore SITR events here. There are some trails that I cannot use anymore because of this. We have very few places left to wheel and the most of them are private property. Seems that ppl taking part in some of these past events were told that they had permission to ride on certain tracts of property ...when in actuality...they did not! Now...some of that same property is closed....forever...even to us locals. We value the trails we have left here...and the promoters that come here tp profit from them are NOT welcome here anymore. I have been tracking this stuff pretty closely the past month or so and from what I can dig around and find out...SITR is trying to get back in this area under the name of a club thats trying to form in a near by community. I do not think they understand how much of an impact that will make here. Most of the area wheelers are in an uproar about this. Heck...there are land owners around here that don't even wheel and have never met this promoter...but they know who he is ...and they DO NOT care for him. I am a member of a local group called the DamnLocals(link below) and we pride ourselves on putting on FREE events in this area. Our goal is NOT to make money, but more to educate and help all the wheelers that come here to wheel...and there is a bunch of them. We[DamnLocals] SUPPORT THE SPORT...so to speak. We want everyone to have fun and we want to make sure that these visitors know where its OK and NOT OK to wheel. We have been successful so far and we plan to continue our mission. This not only benefits our visitors, but us also. All our trails are endangered and we don't want anymore areas made off-limits...just so someone can make a "quick buck". I love this sport and I will do whatever I can to see that it continues here.DamnLocals.com (http://www.damnlocals.com)

Not sure if it was Bob or the other guy that was doing the same sort of deals but it is the same reasons is why we lost Allatoona in GA. I would have to go way back and didg up the magazine artical that ultimatly screwed it up.

It was a local wheeling spot. A few people in at a time was not really a issue. He showed up without getting permission from the corpes and local land owners with 50-60 rig and suport vehciles. That place you had to go through some residential areas to get there. There is no designated parking areas, it was not a managed OHV. Well all the plublicity had people showing up from all over and pissed off the local people and it got shut down.

One of those two guys did the same thing in Piedmont AL. The FS got wind of their event and were litereally standing guard waiting for them because they did not secure permits. Those trails have since been closed as well.

There is a REAL issue with some of these promoters showing up without proper arangments being made and they aften have press in tow. the place gets publicised and too many people show up and its shut down permently for the traffic problems.

FYI Mont Eagle is NOT a come anytime you want wheeling spot. You better know somebody up there and have permission to hold events there. The place is closed durring various hunting seasons. The locals will shot turkeys big and small. I'm not pointing fingers but I am aware of a planned event that the "damn locals" (some will undersand some will not) I know are not aware of permission being given to be there. :rolleyes:
I am one of the '"DAMNLOCALS" and yes ..we are aware of this planned event(s). For the record...we[DamnLocals] DO NOT condone nor support such events here.

Where did you get this info? I to was at the last tx4x4 run there. That place was great.
We were told it was closing due to some indian burial grounds 'somewhere' on the property, and they wanted to find them to keep them from being damaged. Supposedly once that was done it could open back up. Seems to me the whole place, including most all of the area surrounding the base could be indian burial grounds or some such crap.
I would like to find out if this is true. If it is factual i to would opt out of any function he puts on.
Brian.

Glad to see this post here, Bob Hazel needs to stay out of Monteagle.

He needs to keep his ugly a$$ out of 4 wheeling before he ruins it for everyone.

Where did you get this info? I to was at the last tx4x4 run there. That place was great.
We were told it was closing due to some indian burial grounds 'somewhere' on the property, and they wanted to find them to keep them from being damaged. Supposedly once that was done it could open back up. Seems to me the whole place, including most all of the area surrounding the base could be indian burial grounds or some such crap.
I would like to find out if this is true. If it is factual i to would opt out of any function he puts on.
Brian.
You may e-mail me attnman@damnlocals.com

I think hes talking about Alaska

Bob tried to run an event out of my backyard in Kentucky several years ago.
It was advertised in the mags. People paid money. Bob did not contact the
USFS to obtain the group permits. HELL he did call any of the land owers for permission till the night before the event. The land owners called the local club to come out and block their gates.
I have a mag picture of him on posted private land here, with no permission
to be there.

sounds like him

I am one of the '"DAMNLOCALS" and yes ..we are aware of this planned event(s). For the record...we[DamnLocals] DO NOT condone nor support such events here.


Ohh I know. Joe Izusu is a friend. Lives about 4 miles from me and I ride with him with the GBR. I am between trucks right now so I have not had a chance to come up and ride but there is always rave reviews about how great the "Damn Locals" have been when they have hosted rides for us. The club loves coming up and riding with you guys. Always a good time and the folks that come out and lead the rides for us have always been great. Cant wait to get my junk on the trail and meet a few more of your club.

You got my backing 100% and I am sure there are more folks I ride with that will be there if you need some help to keep Bob out. We have lost too many trails to put up with any crap like this.

Saw this thread in chit chat... .I guess I know where Jon (all pro offroad) stands.. I know for a fact that he will never get any money from me as long as he associates with hazel.

TTT

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328244

I am one of the '"DAMNLOCALS" and yes ..we are aware of this planned event(s). For the record...we[DamnLocals] DO NOT condone nor support such events here.

There were several reasons and the " indian burial grounds" excuse was the easiest to use in order deny access. We did several runs up there and have attempted to get access again but the new commander would not consider it.

Now , with the 911 attacks, there will not be access ever again.

This is who All-Pro want's to bring back to Monteagle Mtn. again? Wake up All-Pro!!!
:mad3: :mad3: :mad3: :mad3: :mad3:

Sure looks like All Pro is involved and there is one in Montegle. Directly from SITR site

ALL PRO Toyota Jamboree

Table Mesa, AZ

April 1 - 3




Monteagle Trail Ride

Monteagle, TN

May 28 - 29

New Event!

Congrats All Pro you just lost another customer. I wonder if we post all the businesses that are linked to SITR web site if we can have any "effect" on their business?

:shaking:

Jon, there has been over 9500 views on this post and over 1000 views on the All-Pro post here on Pirate not only on this BB but on many, many more BB and is that were you want to take All-Pro? You have lost a lot of people in this TRAIN WRECK (that's the name of our trail ride on the same weekwend as Bob's). Your sales will suffer for a long time and with the internet you may not be around much longer, as you know a lot of your sales comes from the internet. Jon, read the post by upset wheeler with Yotas about Bob Hazel. Bones
:confused: :mad3: :flipoff2:

:flipoff2: Yeah BOB where are the freaking shirts you promised us. We worked our asses off making those trails for months on end. Granted the club did decide to volunteer our time to help with your event so West Virginia could get more exposure as a good state to wheel in.
I just wish that you realized without MOR(mountaineer offroad) and CVC(chemical valley crawlers) you would not have had an event, PERIOD. I worked my ass off for those 3 days and didnt even get a thank you. papabear and 4x4xtreme were there and worked hard as well. I would think for someone that enjoys raking in the cash like you do, you would want to be more involved, and appreciative .

I look forward to the day you retire and Tre takes over. I dont know how the rest of the people in the clubs involved feel, these are just my personal thoughts.

:flipoff2:

I'm still waiting on the shirts from the Pocono Trailfest back in 03'. That's the last one I worked. No shirts, no plaques...he offered shirts from 'last years events but all were in size small'. Great.

ttt

I like Tnman have been reading this board for years but never jumped in untill now.I am a local in the Mont Eagle area and I just wont to say this to Jon and any one who is planing on paying to go to this event. Jon i have bought parts from you in the past and was raped on shipping,to me that is theft so you will not get my business anyway. You and Bob should make a good team. Just because Bob has a house here dosent mean that we wont him to have an event here and if you wont to belive Sam L. that what people are saying about Bob is just a rumor then this thread must just be a rumor also. We cannot stop you from having this event but if you can find a club or a few guys to help you put it on we can find six clubs to block the trails onto our private land. I dont think you can hold an event on the one trail in stagecoach which is the only trail you have goten permission to ride and it just so happens that the people who live on the road to that trail are finally geting it patched and ready to be repaved,im sure they will wont 200 4x4's on there new road.And since i am from the south and should show sum manners. See ya when ya get here y'all have a nice day :flipoff2:

Same here, lost my handdle of Joe Isuzu were I have been posting on Pirate for years and have not seen anyone disliked as much as Bob Hazel and by Acc. with Bob now All-Pro. Bones
:flipoff2:

Sure looks like All Pro is involved and there is one in Montegle. Directly from SITR site

ALL PRO Toyota Jamboree

Table Mesa, AZ

April 1 - 3




Congrats All Pro you just lost another customer. I wonder if we post all the businesses that are linked to SITR web site if we can have any "effect" on their business?



So, did this event happen or not? If so, how did it go?

Thanks,

Al

I can tell you from experiance of dealing with the guy it was a mistake on our part assisting him. He also pissed BLM off pretty good a few years back. He wanted to use the area again and Rich with BLM would not do it unless our club was baby sitters for his competitions. Hell after the mess he left and the damage he did i am not happy with the guy. I will never be a baby siter for someone. People need to Respect the areas clubs and individuals work hard on to maintain and enjoy not trash and leave a mess to clean. I know here in Farmington BLM has got strict. You can not blame it all on the promoters the areas get wear from spectators also. But what he did i will never forget and the mess we spent a couple of days cleaning up. Just my two cents.

To all the "damn locals" and others in the Monteagle area - we down here in Huntsville will help protect the remaining trails. We will do whatever is necessary. Let us know if you decide to do anything about this issue, we are small, but we will stand with you.

As for me, I plan to contact AllPro and ask them if they are in fact somehow allied with the person or the organization in question. If so, I am done with AllPro. I have bought a lot of stuff from AllPro, and personally I feel like I have always received a good deal, better than expected service etc. But I will not send $$ to a vendor who is in cahoots with someone who appears to have gotten a lot of the local private land closed to my access while lining his own pockets. I have an AllPro sticker, big one, on the back of my truck. I will post up here what I learn from AllPro about an alliance with this "other organization". If it exists, the sticker is coming off.

So, did this event happen or not? If so, how did it go?

Thanks,

Al

Yes, the Table Mesa event went off without a hitch. Or Bob Hazel.

I talked to Jon before the event and he did not go into details, but said the Jambo's are NOT associated with Bob Hazel or Sports in the Rough.

The AP Jambo was free, but they had raffle tickets availble for purchase and gave away a lot of cool stuff. Jon provided burgers, soda, chips for all comers, free of charge.

It was more a bunch of people getting together to wheel, camp and BS; and less of an "organized event" as such.

It was a lot of fun, and aside from interrupting the Mesa 4WD Club Bingo Game with fireworks and Sobe Bombs, very peaceful.

-tom

To all the "damn locals" and others in the Monteagle area - we down here in Huntsville will help protect the remaining trails. We will do whatever is necessary. Let us know if you decide to do anything about this issue, we are small, but we will stand with you.

As for me, I plan to contact AllPro and ask them if they are in fact somehow allied with the person or the organization in question. If so, I am done with AllPro. I have bought a lot of stuff from AllPro, and personally I feel like I have always received a good deal, better than expected service etc. But I will not send $$ to a vendor who is in cahoots with someone who appears to have gotten a lot of the local private land closed to my access while lining his own pockets. I have an AllPro sticker, big one, on the back of my truck. I will post up here what I learn from AllPro about an alliance with this "other organization". If it exists, the sticker is coming off.
As far as I know Jon isn't doing these with Hazel now..Which I think shows he's a standup guy and listening to the voice of us wheelers....You Alabama boys need to holler at us sometime...

[QUOTE=Tbam]As far as I know Jon isn't doing these with Hazel now..Which I think shows he's a standup guy and listening to the voice of us wheelers....QUOTE]


Sorry Tbam, AP is not doing events promoted by hazel because NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR THEM. Not because of you or the people who called AP and voiced their opinions about hazel. Jon does not look at this BB. Jon did not, and does not care that people dont like hazel and he knew that "the kids on the pirate board" were talking shit and NOT pleased over the situation with hazle. And he did not care. The AZ event was changed a week or two before the date to be a free event because litterely 1 or 2 people signed up for it. Not because of hazle. And a good amount of people showed up and it was a great time. Now the events are free. Witch i think is GREAT.

[QUOTE=Tbam]As far as I know Jon isn't doing these with Hazel now..Which I think shows he's a standup guy and listening to the voice of us wheelers....QUOTE]


Sorry Tbam, AP is not doing events promoted by hazel because NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR THEM. Not because of you or the people who called AP and voiced their opinions about hazel. Jon does not look at this BB. Jon did not, and does not care that people dont like hazel and he knew that "the kids on the pirate board" were talking shit and NOT pleased over the situation with hazle. And he did not care. The AZ event was changed a week or two before the date to be a free event because litterely 1 or 2 people signed up for it. Not because of hazle. And a good amount of people showed up and it was a great time. Now the events are free. Witch i think is GREAT.

hahahaha you live in a special world don't ya? Reality that Bob's BS proceeds him just didn't register with you did it?

Here let me give you an example of Bob issues and slimy promoters like him.
Read this.
http://allatoona.sam.usace.army.mil/offroad.htm

That showed up after one of Sports events showed up at some local trails. Those trails they mention are ROADS they are on maps to this day. They predate the formation of the lake. To get to them you have to drive through what remainds of the neighborhoods that were cleared when the corps made the land grab to clear the land. There is still curbs a good way back on the main road in. The big water crossing is concrete lined because they were normal paths of travel. The locals knew of these trails but not much more. The Corps turned their head because it was not a problem.

Promotor showed up with NO arranged permission to be there at all. Then posted how to get there in the magazines and got that place shut down as a direct result.

The same thing happend in Piedmont Forest AL. Did not get with the rangers to arange proper permsission to hold an event. Just collected money and showed up. The FS got wind of it and actually shut the place down and barricaded it to prevent them from holding the event because they did not secure permission.



Word travels fast and when people figured out who was involved they all turn their nose up to the events.

As for the Kids on PBB comment. They better take notice because over 75% of their customers are here. If they didn't know that do you think they would pay to advertise and support this web site? They do. Wather the header advertisments. They get HUGE business from the "Kids" of this board and they know it.

The PBB is the center of the wheeling universe in the US. This is where all the magazine writers check to see what the latests tech is. This is where 90% of the TTC people hang. This is where 90% of the people you see in Magazine hang. This is where most manufactures, shop owners etc come to see whats going on. If you don't believe that you need to start looking at Yellow stars and who actualy visits.

This is the highest traffic 4x4 site on the web bar none. You can check that out yourself on any of the traffic tracker sites. The list of shops that have people representing them here is pretty long. You can be DAMN sure that they do pay attention to this site. They are stupid if they don't.

[QUOTE=Max Volume]

hahahaha you live in a special world don't ya? Reality that Bob's BS proceeds him just didn't register with you did it?

Here let me give you an example of Bob issues and slimy promoters like him.
Read this.
http://allatoona.sam.usace.army.mil/offroad.htm

That showed up after one of Sports events showed up at some local trails. Those trails they mention are ROADS they are on maps to this day. They predate the formation of the lake. To get to them you have to drive through what remainds of the neighborhoods that were cleared when the corps made the land grab to clear the land. There is still curbs a good way back on the main road in. The big water crossing is concrete lined because they were normal paths of travel. The locals knew of these trails but not much more. The Corps turned their head because it was not a problem.

Promotor showed up with NO arranged permission to be there at all. Then posted how to get there in the magazines and got that place shut down as a direct result.

The same thing happend in Piedmont Forest AL. Did not get with the rangers to arange proper permsission to hold an event. Just collected money and showed up. The FS got wind of it and actually shut the place down and barricaded it to prevent them from holding the event because they did not secure permission.



Word travels fast and when people figured out who was involved they all turn their nose up to the events.

As for the Kids on PBB comment. They better take notice because over 75% of their customers are here. If they didn't know that do you think they would pay to advertise and support this web site? They do. Wather the header advertisments. They get HUGE business from the "Kids" of this board and they know it.

The PBB is the center of the wheeling universe in the US. This is where all the magazine writers check to see what the latests tech is. This is where 90% of the TTC people hang. This is where 90% of the people you see in Magazine hang. This is where most manufactures, shop owners etc come to see whats going on. If you don't believe that you need to start looking at Yellow stars and who actualy visits.

This is the highest traffic 4x4 site on the web bar none. You can check that out yourself on any of the traffic tracker sites. The list of shops that have people representing them here is pretty long. You can be DAMN sure that they do pay attention to this site. They are stupid if they don't.


Easy there bud, I agree FULLY with you. I know how many people read this board. I dont work for AP any longer. Jon fired me because of my "bad attitude towards him". Read my post again. HE doesnt give a fuck about what anyone says on this board. To HIM, your just a bunch of kids with computers.

And yes, i do live in a special little world. :flipoff2:

Easy there bud, I agree FULLY with you. I know how many people read this board. I dont work for AP any longer. Jon fired me because of my "bad attitude towards him". Read my post again. HE doesnt give a fuck about what anyone says on this board. To HIM, your just a bunch of kids with computers.

And yes, i do live in a special little world. :flipoff2:


So now you're trying to get us pissed at AP by making us think that Jon considers us just a bunch of kids with computers? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't have fired you for having a bad attitude. I would have never hired you in the first place because your motives are petty, your tactics are transparent, and your creativity is childlike.

-t

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sarah [mailto:sarah at allprooffroad dot com]
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: helliott at knology dot net
> Subject: RE: All Pro Off Road Enquiry
>
>
> Hi Mr. Elliott,
>
> My apologizes for not replying to you sooner, as I wanted to look into the
> traffic on the Pirate board that you were referring to.
>
> Basically, without knowing Bob Hazel's history, especially with
> dealings in
> TN, we initially were going to have his company, SITR, organize
> our customer
> appreciation Jamborees for 2005. We are obviously not in the business to
> organize events, so we thought we could have SITR handle it for
> us. Little did we know of the problems he has allegedly caused.
>
> Needless to say, we quickly broke our ties, and have no affiliation with
> SITR or Bob Hazel whatsoever. We have now taken on the task of organizing
> the events ourselves, which all should be at little or no cost to
> our valued customers, such as you.
>
> Please see our website for more info. The thread on the PBB should have
> been responded to accordingly. We appreciate your concern and hope we can
> continue to serve you in the future, and perhaps you'll even be able to
> attend our next Jamboree in Tellico, TN in July.
>
> -Sarah
> All-Pro Off Road
> 951-658-7077

No, I dont own stock in AllPro (I oughta, as much as I have spent there)......just trying to give them a fair shake.

Received in email today:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sarah [mailto:sarah at allprooffroad dot com]
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: helliott at knology dot net
> Subject: RE: All Pro Off Road Enquiry
>
>
> Hi Mr. Elliott,
>
>

>
> Please see our website for more info. The thread on the PBB should have
> been responded to accordingly. We appreciate your concern and hope we can
> continue to serve you in the future, and perhaps you'll even be able to
> attend our next Jamboree in Tellico, TN in July.
>
> -Sarah
> All-Pro Off Road
> 951-658-7077


Nothing in the thread here directly from All Pro and nothing that I could find on their website here:

All Pro Offroad (http://allprooffroad.com/)

Al

Nothing in the thread here directly from All Pro and nothing that I could find on their website here:

All Pro Offroad (http://allprooffroad.com/)

Al
Lets see what the search button pulls up?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340637

M

[QUOTE=Tbam]As far as I know Jon isn't doing these with Hazel now..Which I think shows he's a standup guy and listening to the voice of us wheelers....QUOTE]


Sorry Tbam, AP is not doing events promoted by hazel because NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR THEM. Not because of you or the people who called AP and voiced their opinions about hazel. Jon does not look at this BB. Jon did not, and does not care that people dont like hazel and he knew that "the kids on the pirate board" were talking shit and NOT pleased over the situation with hazle. And he did not care. The AZ event was changed a week or two before the date to be a free event because litterely 1 or 2 people signed up for it. Not because of hazle. And a good amount of people showed up and it was a great time. Now the events are free. Witch i think is GREAT.

My aren't we a disgruntled fellow. Whether us "kids" had anything to do with it is irrelevant now. Free events are the only way to do rides around here, not by making a profit off of someone elses property....I'm sure our voice wasn't heard :flipoff: , but at least we spoke up......

Lets see what the search button pulls up?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340637

M

Not really relevant to the discussion at hand since the date on the APOR letter above post date the thread you show above. She specifically says that the thread will be updated, yet I see no new input by them in this thread or yours.

Still nothing on their site either that I can find regarding this issue. May be buried, I'm at work and don't have time to expore every nook and cranny of their site.

Which is basically my point: They say they have or are going to do something, yet I don't see the evidence of it.

Al

Am I still sleeping, or is Bob Hazel the guy that turned his white square body Chevy tow rig into a trail rig - almost a truggy of sorts....?? I think he had his junk featured in P4W&OR a while back....

Nope. Bob used to have a full size Bronco that had been pictured at a few events but then had JP Conrad build him a yellow CJ-7 called the "Hell Cat". Now he sports around on a BMW motorcycle.

I'm fairly new to this stuff, what all events does this Bob guy put on. I want to start competing but I apparently need to stay away from his stuff. I am thinking about running some neuroc events but not if he runs them. Anyone has any info let me know. Thanks, Twigs

Yeah, Bob used to run a red/whie/blue full size bronco. that yellow CJ7 was bad ass when it was built (years ago), don't know how it is now or don't even think it compares to the rigs built nowadays.


Rob

I got comments about Bob myself. But since most of ya'll done said it....I will let it go. By the way he sucks big time. How do i know.....I used to go by the nickname "COUNTRY".....i am sure many of the local folks remember me.


Chris

http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/bfgrcchamps98/lowenstein.htm