Bob Hazel here...

I do not normally spend time on Internet boards, but some friends had forwarded some of these threads to me and I wanted to respond to a few of them at least.

We organize 4x4, ATV and other rally type events. While doing 28 events this year, we have made some mistakes and will probably make a few more before the year's over.

The Net is a beautiful thing and we all love it. Information, easy communications, sharing it all...and damn fast too.

Please don't be so willing to castrate someone else unless you really do have the facts. Not emotional passed-along info.

A guy looked at a girl and made the comment out loud "She's pretty"... and a month later it was spouted on the Net that he'd raped her and sold her into white slavery...:)

I learned to have pretty thick skin. You have to when dealing with a lot of people.

If people are accused of something without the accusers having the real facts, it can become just plain senseless.

I appreciate all comments, both good and bad. And you don't have to hide behind a keyboard either. All grown-ups, right...or working towards it, anyway.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

PS I won't be able to attend this list regulary, so have at it...:)
PSS Gimme a call sometime.

PS I won't be able to attend this list regulary, so have at it...

You really should make time to come here. There are over 13k members from all over the world. There are several other promoters that come here daily. And even more competitors come here as well. This forum can be an excellent tool for you to refine your events, and work towards making all parties happy. I love it when a promoter throws up a post asking about rules/regulations for their series. There was an excellent discussion about CalRocks vehicle requirements, and i belive BigRich really got some good info from people that will be competing in his series. If you are gonna make a change, ask this board how they will feel about that change before you do it. You will gain the respect of the people here, (clearly you don't have that at the moment) as well as promote your series, and enhance your events by pleasing the competitor's and spectator's.

If you don't make time to read this board, or use it to get closer to the people that you impact, then you are a fool.

Do us all a favor, if you really want to further the sport of rock crawling.........get out.

Originally posted by safari
Bob Hazel here...

I do not normally spend time on Internet boards, but some friends had forwarded some of these threads to me and I wanted to respond to a few of them at least.

We organize 4x4, ATV and other rally type events. While doing 28 events this year, we have made some mistakes and will probably make a few more before the year's over.

The Net is a beautiful thing and we all love it. Information, easy communications, sharing it all...and damn fast too.

Please don't be so willing to castrate someone else unless you really do have the facts. Not emotional passed-along info.

A guy looked at a girl and made the comment out loud "She's pretty"... and a month later it was spouted on the Net that he'd raped her and sold her into white slavery...:)

I learned to have pretty thick skin. You have to when dealing with a lot of people.

If people are accused of something without the accusers having the real facts, it can become just plain senseless.

I appreciate all comments, both good and bad. And you don't have to hide behind a keyboard either. All grown-ups, right...or working towards it, anyway.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

PS I won't be able to attend this list regulary, so have at it...:)
PSS Gimme a call sometime.

BOB you are kidding with this right. I am suprised you have any people that are friends that would have anything to do with you.That diatribe of crap above will work for those who don't have first hand experience with you. BUt, I DO and I know all about your dealings here in Monteagle..If you think for second this bs is going to convince "those of us in know" about you ..well just keep on thinking that because as i said in my post in the other thread you are nothing more than a parasite/leach with the sole intention of benefiting yourself with monetary gain...AND I will be glad to tell anyone what type of leach your are until the day you are gone from this sport.Like I said in my post on the other thread BOB.Please stand up at anytime and give the world a rundown of all your GOOD deads and prove that the hell your catching is unjustified...

:eek:

damn...

the more i read of these two posts, it turns into two things:

1. You're reaping the rewards of what you have sown...
2. If the shoe fits.

I'd understand that if one person said you sucked. But 20+? You're really reaching now...

dadada DAMN one ton willys was that both BARRELS!!!!

My dos pesos


I can see one thing Bob, you type well and flow forth words of sanity.....However Bob there appear to be many people here who have had dealings with you and so far all of them are proving to be negatively bent toward you.. This is would make it appear that their concerns are much more founded than you would like..

Ahh yes lets all keep our heads and not destroy me ( you don't know what happened) ....hmmmm ahhhhh hhhrrrruuupphh... You mindless peeonns only serve to do my bidding..."I appreciate all comments, both good and bad. And you don't have to hide behind a keyboard either. All grown-ups, right...or working towards it, anyway. "


"If people are accused of something without the accusers having the real facts, it can become just plain senseless". And since I make the big bucks you can suck eggs if you don't like it.


Basically Bob it looks like your a Dick.. Simpathy is not something we give much of around here.

So since I don't know you and luckily I have not had the opportunity to witness these fiascos, I can only go by the many POR folks here who say your a Dick... I trust them over you anyday, besides your just a Dickless newbie, just ask anyone.

I AGREE 110% ...

This is what I told "Bob" @ Badlands this weekend.

1- I could take a Pinto, put a rollcage in it and win more money 2 miles from my house than I could here...
2- Nobody is at all interested in coming next year to these events because of this and his inability to listen and try to work with the competitors.
3-The course sucked!! someone thats owns something other than a daulie truck needs to set the courses up
4-The F.B.I. could not find the course let alone spectators (I could have swore I saw Asami Bin Laden in the crowd)
5- The scoring system sucks why not use the same one as everyone else for the benefit of spectators and comps. alike- his reply was"I like mine to be different"
6-Why is there no contingecy money available for us from the event sponsors other than BFG... ( hmmmm I saw yet another new 4x4 dualie there with pro rock on the fenders)




And last and certainly not least,

this direct Qoute that will go down in the history books

"I HAVE YET TO MAKE ANY MONEY DOING THESE EVENTS"

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. HAts to Troy. A really cool place to go wheeling

Originally posted by safari
Bob Hazel here...
...blah blah blah...
I appreciate all comments, both good and bad. And you don't have to hide behind a keyboard either. All grown-ups, right...or working towards it, anyway.

Bob Hazel
704-236-7337
bob@sportsintherough.com

PS I won't be able to attend this list regulary, so have at it...:)
PSS Gimme a call sometime.
So Bob, exaxtly what did you accomplish by posting here? That you are trying to convince someone that you have a friend?

Since you seem to think that everyone is out to get you and all this Bob bashing is unfounded, then why don't you use this opportunity to explain yourself. We don't care about "internet stories", this is not AOL. The people that get on here telling bullshit stories get weeded out pretty quick.

What part of what was said in previous posts was not fact? The only reason that you would need "thick skin" is because people talk bad about you quite often. If you were not out for yourself and you had a real interest in this sport other than your personal monetary gain, then you would not need to have thick skin. The people on this board are the competitors, and the spotters and the spectators. Without these, you have nothing. Do you see anybody else being bashed that is affiliated with any other rockcrawling event? Hell, no.

I think you should take this opportunity to explain yourself or do you feel that it is below you to explain yourself to the "little people".

Get off your pedestal pal or I would say your pedestal will collapse under you.


Oh yeah, Brian, AMEN. Obviously being a landowner in Monteagle you have had many dealings with Bob, so I guarantee that you got your facts firsthand.

Bob you P.O.S............
The first event I attended that you put on I chose to run the Creek Bed that was offered in monteagle tn back in 1999. We headed down the trail and the next thing I know we have about 3 shotguns pointed at us by some guys in a hunting cabin that said they never gave you permission to use their land and they were mad. Since you like to have got us killed by not clearing it with all the property owners when I got back to the smokehouse sat night I came looking for you , you P.O.S and guess what you had already left for another event. I couldnt even get my money back so rather that ride on your bullshit trails we went home.Just like shupe said , you also swore up and down that you made no money you are so full of shit I will never be back nor recommend anyone to run in your events ever:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Shupee
I AGREE 110% ...
P.S. HAts to Troy. A really cool place to go wheeling

Congrats on making lemonade outta poorock! Oh, I think I missed the WELCOME NEWBIE we so cherish around here:flipoff2: :flipoff2:


Next.................

Someone, or several have commented that the posts are mostly (99.5%) negative. Someone that has no experience with the promoter or the events deduced the masses "hold water". The winner of the Trophy class drops a major "smackdown". The people have spoken.

The moral: The internet is a "powerful" place for all of us "friends and family" to hide behind our blood curdling keyboards.

Too bad you are NOT one of us! See ya Bob, stop whining, you had your chance to listen, it is now OFFICIALLY too late :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
My dos pesos


I can see one thing Bob, you type well and flow forth words of sanity.....However Bob there appear to be many people here who have had dealings with you and so far all of them are proving to be negatively bent toward you.. This is would make it appear that their concerns are much more founded than you would like..

Ahh yes lets all keep our heads and not destroy me ( you don't know what happened) ....hmmmm ahhhhh hhhrrrruuupphh... You mindless peeonns only serve to do my bidding..."I appreciate all comments, both good and bad. And you don't have to hide behind a keyboard either. All grown-ups, right...or working towards it, anyway. "


"If people are accused of something without the accusers having the real facts, it can become just plain senseless". And since I make the big bucks you can suck eggs if you don't like it.


Basically Bob it looks like your a Dick.. Simpathy is not something we give much of around here.

So since I don't know you and luckily I have not had the opportunity to witness these fiascos, I can only go by the many POR folks here who say your a Dick... I trust them over you anyday, besides your just a Dickless newbie, just ask anyone.

dude not that I am standing up for BOB...but don't pick sides with people you have never met,,then come on here saying how right they are when you are reading peoples review on factual conversations or opinions that they had....summerizing viewpoints so you can have a say is not good ...maybe out of 500 people bob deals with only 20 hate him ..but you drag this board into it more isn't good for the sport...

but of course maybe its more like 20 and 500 hate him :flipoff2:


having said that ....if what Techguru said is true....HOLY shit....
as sooon as I can confirm that story (not calling you a liar Tech. just this is a big desiscion) I will Oficially be Standing Against You in any event you try to sponsor in my area ___EDIT___> bob!

You're not being nailed to a cross. You're being pushed into the hole you dug for yourself.

Just like every other piece of correspondence I've seen from you, you have a whole lot to say, a whole lot of NOTHING.

Your best bet at this point is to pull out of the hobby/sport entirely, squander what money you have scammed from the masses and disappear into the Nevada desert before your actions catch up with you.

cmk

I like to summarize I like to winterize too.

I also think that some of the folks I respect around here, deserve some and those that don't don't..

I will semi apologize for injecting levity,,, in all seriousness.

Not to butt in on something that is none of my business ( :rolleyes: ), but to think that some are "Nailing you to a cross" seems to convey the feeling that you do, in fact, have an overly high opinion of yourself...


But, what do I know... I'm a web wheeler thank God.

ya here in finland bob screw us up to he held the finlandville 4x4 snow drive sports in the g@d dam cold tour we lost all attendants in the norwegine crack and they where not aprooved to be there they where trespasing so we can not send a serch party dame you bob i lost all my neibers its so hard to get neibers around here ya and he ran over the last snow bunny with his big black cady o bob how can you live with yourself bob=no neibers bob = no snow bunnys ya so bob is bande from finland ha ha ya:flipoff2: ya but so was hitler:D

ya here in finland bob screw us up to he held the finlandville 4x4 snow drive sports in the g@d dam cold tour we lost all attendants in the norwegine crack and they where not aprooved to be there they where trespasing so we can not send a serch party dame you bob i lost all my neibers its so hard to get neibers around here ya and he ran over the last snow bunny with his big black cady o bob how can you live with yourself bob=no neibers bob = no snow bunnys ya so bob is bande from finland ha ha ya ya but so was hitler

OMG!! ROTFLMAO!!!

Originally posted by elf_cruiser


OMG!! ROTFLMAO!!! ya we also lost rotflmao o we will mis him:crybaby2: ya

I am wondering if it would have been more effective to email Bob himself and/or his sponsors to get some feedback before posting it here?

Guess I should pull out of the womens comp now since they aren't going to want me around because this IS our webpage.:(

Originally posted by 4x4Grrl

Guess I should pull out of the womens comp now since they aren't going to want me around because this IS our webpage.:(

Hopefully Kelly everyone is adult enough to realize that the views expressed do not necessarily reflect those held by POR etc etc etc.. :rolleyes:

Not that I would be surprised if Bob were to judge one person by the opinions of other "associated" parties, but if he were to do something like that, then it only adds to his character. The quality of that character being dependent on an individual's opinion.

Let's not forget what the first amendment entitles all of us to. If Bob has a problem with that, then he can take it up with Uncle Sam.

cm "... don't think he'll win that one" k

Bob, in all seriousness, what we have here is a failure to live up to expectations. People expect certain things, and you've let them down. Not that we haven't all been there. But, the perception is that you haven't done enough to attone for that. Right or wrong, that's the perception. Right or wrong, it's now squarely on your shoulders to fix this image. Won't be easy. And some folks will never let go of a grudge. But, that doesn't mean it isn't worth consideration.


TEX

I'm glad to see Bob on here, and hope that either he or at least one of his staff can be a regular lurker/participater of the board. It at least provides him the resource to improve his image and make the event changes necessary to make them not only good for participants and spectators but also promoters and sponsors. Yes, it's obviously an uphill battle - but unfortunately, there are few other organizations taking on the task of promoting varied events throughout the U.S. Having events such as these not only provides an organized opportunity for those newbie wheelers but a good social opportunity for the balance of us.

Stick with it Bob...but pay attention. The people here are opinionated and many are experienced with events and their successes and failures. Like it or not, you can learn a lot here.

oh, and welcome newbie! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by woody
I'm glad to see Bob on here, and hope that either he or at least one of his staff can be a regular lurker/participater of the board. It at least provides him the resource to improve his image and make the event changes necessary to make them not only good for participants and spectators but also promoters and sponsors. Yes, it's obviously an uphill battle - but unfortunately, there are few other organizations taking on the task of promoting varied events throughout the U.S. Having events such as these not only provides an organized opportunity for those newbie wheelers but a good social opportunity for the balance of us.

Stick with it Bob...but pay attention. The people here are opinionated and many are experienced with events and their successes and failures. Like it or not, you can learn a lot here.

oh, and welcome newbie! :flipoff2:

I think this is well said, SITR definatly needs to take a look at what people are sayin as they/after they walk away from an event or comp, It seems the same mistakes/mishaps are happening, and the money issue is crazy, do the math! they are payin alot to compete, and its not coming around. I have attended one Trail ride event, and one Comp(spectator :flipoff2: ) and I can only complain about the misordered plaques (sounds like a frequent happening) other than that I had a blast, but Im from Kansas and easily ammused, I hope that instead of SITR sayin fawk this, they work on makin the people they get paid by happy, business is business, but if you arent holdin up your end of the bargain, it gets personal quick. Itll be a shame if SITR doesnt listen to this and other boards, we are the people that keep you in the sport, get outta the loop and your fawked! Seems like ya might have sports in the rough already in the rough. What can you do to fix it?

Originally posted by cmk
and disappear into the Nevada desert before your actions catch up with you.

cmk


Dude,
Even in the city of sin we don't want him..

I like the nevada desert the way it is right now..

I forgot about the "I have yet to make any money doing these events comment"


BULLSHIAT!!

Just my 2 cents, I've already mentioned this on this bbs before. After the women's competition last year at the Rock Garden near Aztec, NM we were left with a giant fricking mess. Trash by the tons, trees cut and torn down, and some bigtime damage control we had to do with the BLM. I'm really afraid of what things will be like after the Supercrawl in Oct. in Chokecherry.:eek:

Originally posted by 350 Samurai
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Oh yeah, Brian, AMEN. Obviously being a landowner in Monteagle you have had many dealings with Bob, so I guarantee that you got your facts firsthand. [/B]

Tim,
I wish I owned the land. I am not a landowner;but, merely a local who has dealt with BOb and some of the landowner/leaseholders.Just wanted to clarify that point so there wouldn't be any misconceptions.Thanx

I dont care what kind of crap you try to shovel on here. I know that you were not the only reason Fort Hood was closed. We had a stressed relationship that we were trying desperately to make better. You want to call it bad timing then fine. I call it "you showed up and managed to piss enough people off in a short time to throw all that work down the drain and to close the only decent wheeling spot in central texas." You didnt think that the military was going to take it kindly that you were going to scam them out of all of the camping money did you. But you didn't care as long as you got your money. The underlying theme to all of this seems to be that you only care about the cash and you dont give a damn who you use or in what shape you leave the area. That is why your are bad for the sport. Thats why you should be banned. You should just take that Catapillar yellow hunkl of shit and drive it off a cliff. That is about the only useful thing I can think of you doing. :rainbow: :rainbow: :nuke: :flipoff:

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10


Tim,
I wish I owned the land. I am not a landowner;but, merely a local who has dealt with BOb and some of the landowner/leaseholders.Just wanted to clarify that point so there wouldn't be any misconceptions.Thanx
Sorry about that, I thought your grandmother owned a lot of the land that we ride on in Cowan and I figured you had dealings with Bob over that.

I want to clarify something in the event it is being mis interpreted.

No one begrudges you making $$ from the hard work of promoting events, Untill they get less than a fair return on their associated fees to participate. The potential profit is not the issue! Raking all the dough off the top, and putting on sub par events, only to do it again a few weeks later is the issue. I hope you could do both!

You should just take that Catapillar yellow hunkl of shit and drive it off a cliff

But wait, i thought that thing was "5% CJ-7, 95% evil"...

BWAHAHAHA!!!

-I hope someone else remembers that issue of 4wheeler or that comment is gonna seem relly odd.

I do, and even though I do not know bob or have ever been to a SITR event, what i read about him on here would make me wanna take prozac if it was me being talked about, almost as much grilling as the T.A.P post

Originally posted by 350 Samurai

Sorry about that, I thought your grandmother owned a lot of the land that we ride on in Cowan and I figured you had dealings with Bob over that.

She just own the field behind her house where you and a lot of others park.Actually, her garage gets work out from all the parts going :nuke: ..I have seen a lot of things go down that I didn't care for...one big one being telling my club(MTTR) the event is limited to 250 vehicles..one month prior to event ...mmm..we have allowed 350..we will just send a bunch to Mt. Etna in chattanooga(an hour away)...then when the event happens three weeks later there were 617 VEHICLES!!!!!!...That is just one point that comes to mind...P.S. thanx for the info on the pinion brake..got mine fabed and worked out great.Thanx.

Originally posted by 4x4Grrl

Guess I should pull out of the womens comp now since they aren't going to want me around because this IS our webpage.:(

This wouldn't be soo much of a problem if people Would get the difference between the 23 members of POR and the 13,000+ members of the PBB....when will everyone learn the difference???:mad3:




Oh, and Props to Bob for showing up and facing these accusations head on....

:usa:

If 5 or more people call you a JackAss .. Its time to get a saddle. RK

I think the 95 percent evil is bob sitting in the drivers seat. I cant even believe you remembered that elf. That is awsome. HAHAHAHAHA!!!! That thing is gay anyway. How can you paint it CAT yellow and put CAT stickers on it when it doesn't even have rockwells? That thing should be running 5 tons or something!:flipoff2:

I've said all I have to say about BOB in the other posts, I think it's just a shame that someone who's operations are a sham can get the big time sponsors to help him in his misdeeds. Man could you imagine if EROCC had the national sponsorships of BFG or GOODYEAR, SUPERLIFT, SKYJACKER....I don't think we'd have to worry about BOB and his SITR/ProRocks events anymore. If any of you feel Mr. Hazel needs to repay his debt to the 4-wheeling community then send these threads over to his sponsors and see what they have to say about supporting a person like this. If his circuit gets striped of it's sponsors then no one will want to go, cause that's who is paying for Bob's way. Yeah, the " I never made a dime from this event" comment is total bullshit, he makes all the money and only uses volunteers to do the work. How is that non profit?......Well you are right Bob Hazel, most of us are adults and old enough to know a jackass when we see one. Have fun trying to convince the newbie's you're their friend, the words out, your names MUD:flipoff2:

:D Thanks Bob! I don't see a lader but hang in there someones got to have one....Alllrighty then.

Loohoohooserherher.
:rolleyes: :laughing:

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
send these threads over to his sponsors and see what they have to say about supporting a person like this. If his circuit gets striped of it's sponsors then no one will want to go, cause that's who is paying for Bob's way. :flipoff2:

The sponsors are the real key, I think. However, what goes to the sponsors should be 100% factual and documented.

" I never made a dime from this event" - he's a candidate for sainthood. :flipoff2:

" I never made a dime from this event" - He must be indepently wealthy. Thanks for contrictuing to the sport.

"cause that's who [the sponsors] is paying for Bob's way" - seems like everyone; volunters, participants, spectators, etc. are paying his way also.

" I never made a dime from this event" - He must be indepently wealthy. Thanks for contrictuing to the sport.:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

One more, I'm bored and tired here goes. Hmmm hmmm.
Bob: Hi my names Bob
PBB: Hi Bob!!
Bob: I have no balls!:rainbow:
PBB: :confused: :rolleyes:
Bob: Watch what I can do- Look, I'm getting on this cross and I'm gonna nail my ball less body onto it what you think???
PBB: :D AAAAAlrighty then!!!!:flipoff2:
Bob: Ok guys call me!!!:crybaby: :beret:
PBB: Warning A-holes maybe colser than they apear. what a looser, looohooohoooserrrr.
Thank you thank you!!! Credits: "looser,Alrighty then" (Ace Ventura) This story is completely ficticious and any similarities to actual people, places, events, balls, or crosses is mearly coincidental. This script is not yet rated. "Bob" will need some guidance while attending this board regardless.