What are you guys doing for harnesses? I was going to fab mounting points for the stock seatbelts but I think the retractor mechanism is going to get all gunked up. Post some pics of what you got and how you mounted it. Search turned up this thread. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67388&highlight=seatbelt) but I'd like to know how the Zuk guys are doing it. Here's the latest pic of the Zuk:

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp4/DSCN3425.jpg

And another.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp4/DSCN3423.jpg

It looks dark...

After pulling the targa I remounted the belts to the factory roll bar tab the only prob. is that it moves it just enough back to start chafing your neck so I picked up some of those $6.00 seatbelt pads, ok for me but the belt now came across the center of my sons face so I welded another tab onto the bar at his hieght so it came across his shoulder properly.

I've got my seats and harnesses tied into the cage. I've got some pics here (http://home.attbi.com/~rokzuki/seatmount.htm) and here (http://home.attbi.com/~rokzuki/cage2.htm)

The harnesses are a 'Y' type. There is 1x1 square running side to side. The shoulder and submarine bolt onto this tube. There are then some 1x1 square "rails" that the seats mount onto. The belt then bolts to the same bolts that hold the rear of the seat.

Originally posted by fatkid
It looks dark...

flash shots with my digital just don't seem to turn out well. Took these at 10pm right before I left for the night.

The hoop looks clean, do you have plans for any lateral support on it? Is that 1 5/8" you were talking about?:)

Originally posted by fatkid
The hoop looks clean, do you have plans for any lateral support on it? Is that 1 5/8" you were talking about?:)

Still working on it. I want to get the main stuff done and then go back and take a good look at the bracing.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/frontpagefse.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp4/DSCN3463.jpg

Looks pretty sweet, Chris. Can't wait to see how it all turns out. I know it's not what you were after, but I just mounted my Summit seats to a piece of plate on the driver's side and the floor on the passenger side. The driver's seat is a few inches above the passenger's, but I plan on mounting them on the cage later (something like MM's). As for 5-points, I also have the Y shoulder harnesses (RCI). I bought an "eye" bolt and mounted to the floor behind the seats. The 2 mounts for the lap belt went right into the factory seatbelt lower mounts. And I just mounted the submarine belt to the floor in front also. Hope this helps a little. Good luck! ~Steve

Originally posted by squirrelman83
As for 5-points, I also have the Y shoulder harnesses (RCI). I bought an "eye" bolt and mounted to the floor behind the seats.


Yikes!!!!!!!!!

Spine compression danger here.....:eek:

Originally posted by billj



Yikes!!!!!!!!!

Spine compression danger here.....:eek:

I don't follow you. The bolt was specifically made for just that... 5 point harnesses. I don't see how this is any different than mounting it low on a rollbar cross brace. Besides, the harnesses themselves are "floor mount" style. Care to ellaborate and explain your thinking? ~Steve

Look on the simpson racing web page it shows great diagrams of installation. http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/catalog/restraints/restinfo.html

Originally posted by squirrelman83


I don't follow you. The bolt was specifically made for just that... 5 point harnesses. I don't see how this is any different than mounting it low on a rollbar cross brace. Besides, the harnesses themselves are "floor mount" style. Care to ellaborate and explain your thinking? ~Steve


The key is to keep the mounting point as close as possible to the top of the shoulders in the vertical plane. I´ve read somewhere that there should be no more than 5 degrees of "negative tilt" (shoulders being higher) in order the prevent spine compression during deceleration. It was also said that more than 30 degrees of "positive tilt" (harness anchoring point being higher) results in drastically reduced holding efficiency.


EDIT: check this out...

http://home.att.net/~f1race43/hooker.htm

OK, OK so it´s for airplanes. The principles are still the same...

How many sticks of DOM did you use for that cage? I'm looking to build just about the identical cage on my Sami.

Matt

Looks like your getting the familiar with your bender.
How many linear feet have you donated to the learning curve?

I like the shape. Good work. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ManglerYJ
How many sticks of DOM did you use for that cage? I'm looking to build just about the identical cage on my Sami.

Matt

that's looks like HREW

Originally posted by fatkid


that's looks like HREW

Correction....... how much FAWKIN steel did you use on that cage?!?!?!?!

I guess if something takes 4.798 sticks of DOM to build, it will most likely take 4.798 sticks of HREW or the rough equivalent of 4.798 sticks of ChromeMoly to build the same damn thing (assuming they are all 20 foot sticks). :flipoff2:




Matt (:flipoff2: in a nice :D way)

Originally posted by billj


The key is to keep the mounting point as close as possible to the top of the shoulders in the vertical plane. I´ve read somewhere that there should be no more than 5 degrees of "negative tilt" (shoulders being higher) in order the prevent spine compression during deceleration. It was also said that more than 30 degrees of "positive tilt" (harness anchoring point being higher) results in drastically reduced holding efficiency.


Interesting. I never really thought about it I guess. I will move it up to a roll bar crossbrace down the road. Thanks for the info. ~Steve

a guy I know that races stock cars told me when I was mounting my 5 point harness to mount the whole harness to ether the roll cage or the tub. If you mount it half to the roll bar and half to the tub and the roll cage shifts from the tub in a roll over you can get pinched or crushed by your seat belts. This is another reason to mount the seats and harness all to the roll cage to make it one unit.

Originally posted by ManglerYJ
How many sticks of DOM did you use for that cage? I'm looking to build just about the identical cage on my Sami.

Matt

I bought 4 sticks of HREW, got two more the other day although I still have 2 complete sticks left and a bunch of odds and ends. I messed up on the main hoop twice, third time was a charm.

Originally posted by ManglerYJ


Correction....... how much FAWKIN steel did you use on that cage?!?!?!?!

I guess if something takes 4.798 sticks of DOM to build, it will most likely take 4.798 sticks of HREW or the rough equivalent of 4.798 sticks of ChromeMoly to build the same damn thing (assuming they are all 20 foot sticks). :flipoff2:




Matt (:flipoff2: in a nice :D way)


then lets call it pipe... everyone knows what pipe is

Originally posted by billj



Yikes!!!!!!!!!

Spine compression danger here.....:eek:

Do you realy think hes gonna hit a wall at 200mph Christ
it fawkin crawls rocks we are not indy drivers

By the way it looks great Chris

What's the wheel base, also what are you using for springs in the rear?

little off topic... how are those warn hubs holding up? any problems with them yet?

Sweet Chris keep it up. I want'a bend some more with my bender now! But I had to remove it from the floor to center the zuk in the garage to finally get started on my coils:bounce: Hopefully I'll have some pics up in the next week or so:) Then me and a friend are going to build our 1st exo:eek:

Edit.... exo on his toyota

Originally posted by fatkid
What's the wheel base, also what are you using for springs in the rear?

90" wheelbase and some 6 spring YJ packs (custom).

:D chris the zuk looks great your bender looks like it works goodhow are yo going to mount the gas tank

I have a plan for the gas tank, if it works I'll post it ;)

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3473.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3475.jpg

Got any shots from the rear?

Originally posted by fatkid
Got any shots of your rear?

:confused:

From my webpage....

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3476.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3479.jpg

I think I gots a chubby.. that looks pretty sweet! how long till completion IGOR?
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


:confused:

got any shots of your your front?:goofball:

Originally posted by fatkid


got any shots of your your front?:goofball:

I'll send em right now big boy;)

I love this place...This is why I continue to Lurk!!!
Chris...very cool man...

Slider

Spent most of the day welding. This Millermatic 175 kicks, I was welding a lot and never hit the duty cycle. This outa give somebody out there some wood :eek:

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3485.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3495.jpg

Ahh, the flatbed I have been threatening to do for a long time.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Spent most of the day welding. This Millermatic 175 kicks, I was welding a lot and never hit the duty cycle. This outa give somebody out there some wood :eek:

Giddy up Chris:D

Originally posted by Rockrat


Do you realy think hes gonna hit a wall at 200mph Christ
it fawkin crawls rocks we are not indy drivers




Ok then.......:shaking:


So I guess your theory would be...

Why go to the trouble to do something the right way when you can go to an equal amount of trouble to do it wrong?!?!?

:rolleyes: :confused:

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by billj



Ok then.......:shaking:


So I guess your theory would be...

Why go to the trouble to do something the right way when you can go to an equal amount of trouble to do it wrong?!?!?

:rolleyes: :confused:

:flipoff2: Well then please enlighten me with the correct way for I have waivered from the true path of politically correctness. Maybe you should explain your self a little better instead of blanket statements. I guess I dont understand when people compare Apples to oranges, the board was i thought Hard core but many times the You should not do this or that its not street legal crap comes up. Last I checked Chris's zuk was pretty much trail only not that it cant be driven on the street, I am all for doing it the correct way the first time, But in some cases here the line is very fine and who realy is correct???????:goofball: :idea:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
This outa give somebody out there some wood :eek:

BOING! :p :D

Originally posted by Rockrat
Well then please enlighten me with the correct way for I have waivered from the true path of politically correctness. Maybe you should explain your self a little better instead of blanket statements. I guess I dont understand when people compare Apples to oranges, the board was i thought Hard core but many times the You should not do this or that its not street legal crap comes up. Last I checked Chris's zuk was pretty much trail only not that it cant be driven on the street, I am all for doing it the correct way the first time, But in some cases here the line is very fine and who realy is correct???????:goofball: :idea:


Let´s not get ourselves in a bunch...:flipoff2:

First, I said nothing of political correctness. I really have no idea of where that impression came from...

Second, while it is very true that we´re not talking Indy cars, it stands to reason that the installer would have to find SOMEPLACE to anchor the shoulder straps. If anchoring down to the floor was somehow easier than up to the roll cage, then I could see your point. However, it amounts to just about the same amount of work, independent of the location. And that "up on the cage" is preferable for safety reasons is undeniable. It´s physics, my boy!!!:flipoff2:

I do see your point and didnt mean to come off as an ass but I can only agree on that as if the seat you were sitting in was also tied into the cage. for if some reason the cage should go someplace I would rather be in the seat attached to the floor vs. having my head pulled off with the belt that is attached to the cage.

Originally posted by Rockrat
I do see your point and didnt mean to come off as an ass but I can only agree on that as if the seat you were sitting in was also tied into the cage. for if some reason the cage should go someplace I would rather be in the seat attached to the floor vs. having my head pulled off with the belt that is attached to the cage.


Agreed!!!!:D

Chris the cage looks awsome what color are you going to paint it

Where can I get affordable 5 pt. or "Y" style racing harnesses for an affordable price on-line??

Thanks

It'll be yellow.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3498.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3505.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3501.jpg

Chris,
In that last pic i can't tell how the bottom bar of the, for lack of a better term, rear bumper is mounted. The spring shackles are mounted to the bar in question. I see the top bar is welded to the frame and there is a stubby brace down to the bottom bar from the frame up near the frame. Is that the only mounting point? Looks like it could twist up if you bumped the rear. Looks nice. Good work.

I see the top bar is welded to the frame and there is a stubby brace down to the bottom bar from the frame up near the frame. Is that the only mounting point? Looks like it could twist up if you bumped the rear

erik as in stomper erik :p

Originally posted by slider
Where can I get affordable 5 pt. or "Y" style racing harnesses for an affordable price on-line??

Thanks

I got my RJS 5-points from Summit. $60 each. ~Steve

Originally posted by EricZ
Chris,
In that last pic i can't tell how the bottom bar of the, for lack of a better term, rear bumper is mounted. The spring shackles are mounted to the bar in question. I see the top bar is welded to the frame and there is a stubby brace down to the bottom bar from the frame up near the frame. Is that the only mounting point? Looks like it could twist up if you bumped the rear. Looks nice. Good work.


There's two mounts to the frame and 3 to the upper bumper, the the upper tube has 5 mounting points to the frame. I need to brace the lower bar in the middle since I want to hang a d-ring there. I think down the road the rear suspension is going to get swapped out for some coils or something, I know the rear shackle isn't any lower than my last setup but it just seems like it hangs way down.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
It'll be yellow.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3498.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3505.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp5/DSCN3501.jpg
I like the remote Gas tank:D

Very nice work, Chris. :cool:

AZ-That is looking great! I love the overall form...can't wait to see the final product.

Lookin good Chris!
To answer your question, the proper placement of the harness is;
Shoulder belts at or slightly above the height of your shoulder to prevent spinal compression(Even at low speeds!) I installed a bar across the main hoop at the correct height. the lap belts should extend at 45 degrees from their mounting point.

Thanks for all the compliments. I have one more day of work before this thing gets prepped for paint. Just need to make a D-ring mount, weld some more mounting tabs in various places and make some tailight holders. The end is within sight I honestly don't know how some of you survive without wheeling for over a year, I haven't wheeled in over a month and it's killing me!

Hats off to Chris!! Many of us live vicarously through his off-road adventures and kickass projects. The thing that blows my mind the most is that this is just PRACTICE for the real project!! Most of us out here in the real world don't even dream of a rig as trick as your practice piece. Awesome job and i'll be first to say it: When you finish your "Project Money Pit " rig, I'm first in line to buy the left over pieces! Thanks for helping the rest of us dream.

:usa: :beret:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
I honestly don't know how some of you survive without wheeling for over a year, I haven't wheeled in over a month and it's killing me!


I have no idea either:confused: But I will say that a chemical imbalance/ depression is a side effect:(

Originally posted by fatkid


that's looks like HREW PHATTY...Your alive......:laughing:
Cage looks good AZ...looks to be about what I'm planning...:rolleyes: Ok so I like our idea better so sue me...:p

Originally posted by ammelk
PHATTY...Your alive......:laughing:
Cage looks good AZ...looks to be about what I'm planning...:rolleyes: Ok so I like our idea better so sue me...:p

Steal away, I know I borrowed a few styling cues here and there. The next pictures I post will be painted and complete. I'd be done now but I am getting sidetracked with a traction bar, might as well do it right while I got this thing torn up.

I could finish this thing if it would quit storming. Power got knocked out at the shop yesterday night. I though the roof was going to come down too! Got up early Sat, finished some welding tasks and got it painted and rolled back inside 5 minutes before another stom broke out. Supposeldy there was a tornado on the SW side of town, my house was hammered with 1" pieces of hail and the winds were crazy. Anyway I posted a bunch more pictures on my site along with some of the little details like the fuel filler(shown below, etc.


http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp6/DSCN3545.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp6/DSCN3548.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp6/DSCN3521.jpg

it looks awsome chris we had stoms here to:D

Man, that is awesome! The bends, welds, everything looks perfect! Good Job!

Looking at AZ's project motivated me to get out and fawk up a few pieces of welded seam 1.5" today. I know I'll eventually roll my Zuk completely over someday, so I added a hoop to my front bumper to protect the radiator. My junk looks kinda "shadetree" compared to the pics above....:(

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/883239-Sep08_01.JPG

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/883243-Sep08_02.JPG

I like your front hoop. I was going to freshen up the front end of mine a bit but I have run out of time.

Damn AZ!!!! what do you do for a living that allows you to access to that kind of equipment?

i realize that you live in az but do you not worry about water and mud collecting around the gas cap? just seems like mounting it verticle would help lessen the probability of contaminating your gas. just a thought. rig looks sweet though ;)

Originally posted by High5
i realize that you live in az but do you not worry about water and mud collecting around the gas cap? just seems like mounting it verticle would help lessen the probability of contaminating your gas. just a thought. rig looks sweet though ;)


I drilled a hole in front of the filler cap for drainage (can't see it in the picture). It was mounted where it was to keep it out of the rocks (in theory at least).

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler



I drilled a hole in front of the filler cap for drainage (can't see it in the picture). It was mounted where it was to keep it out of the rocks (in theory at least).

ahh i could not see the hole.

Holy "miles & miles o' pipe... Batman!!

Seems like you could use all that hollow displacement space inside all the tube for storage of on-board fluids?

Originally posted by Junkyahd Jedi
Damn AZ!!!! what do you do for a living that allows you to access to that kind of equipment?
ditto, do you wanna do any side work on my jeep?
Mike

Well, are you ready yet? Cmon, Saturday night man!

Originally posted by zags
Well, are you ready yet? Cmon, Saturday night man!

The last 5% seems to be taking forever. I'll be doing some light wheeling Sat during the day to test it out. If I don't have any issues I'll try and make it out there. I just don't want to run anything hardcore without at least one trial run. If I don't make it out Sat we gotta run something new and hard next weekend. Anyone done Miner's Revenge? Here's the latest:

Spares locked and loaded.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp7/DSCN3553.jpg

Had to move the fuel filler due to the hose not wanting to make the sharp bend in the previous location, my fault for not checking.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp7/DSCN3563.jpg

Traction bar. Ran out of gas on the welder last night so I still have a little more welding to do on the bar/mounts

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/projectmp/projectmp7/DSCN3555.jpg

Originally posted by Junkyahd Jedi
Damn AZ!!!! what do you do for a living that allows you to access to that kind of equipment?

I'm a Mechanical Engineer. The company I work for designs and builds all sorts of automated factory equipment. It's safe to say you've been in a car that some of our automation touched in some way (we've done a lot of airbag stuff). The coolest thing is both the owners of the company 4 wheel. Before my project we swapped out the axles on my Bosses YJ for a 44/60 combo, added 38's and fabbed some shock mounts, etc. I love my job.

Chris,

I don't mean to be critical, but you might want to take a second look at the traction bar. Mounting the bar above the CL of the axle causes a lever arm to from on the traction bar mounts at the axle. I've seen this before on a bigger truck, and they would rip a 3/4 heim apart with one bounce. It might be worth taking a second look and maybe run some number thru a simple force diagram to estimate the load on the top heim (I'm just guessing heim, can't tell from the pic)...

Very simple force diagram....

I borrowed Roktoy's design. (http://www.mindspring.com/~jayk3/toyota/rear_susp.htm) . The bar has two spring bushings on the axle end and a heim on the crossmember end. I am a little leary about the 5/8 heim on the crossmember end but it is a proven design under a Toy, we'll see if it holds up. Worst case I beef it up. My setup gives more mechanical advantage to the traction bar in resisting twisting, so as long as my linkage and mounts are stout enough I should be ok. I appreciate the input, I'd rather do it right the first time.

Well I love the workmanship on the housing brackets. If all else fails, that would be a great mount for the johnny joint of a three link... ;) hint.. hint.... :D

Looks real nice. ;)
As for Miners Revenage, it's boring and pretty far away. That area has alot of potential though.

Originally posted by JackA
Looks real nice. ;)
As for Miners Revenage, it's boring and pretty far away. That area has alot of potential though.

What's BTG stand for?

As always looking good chris!!!!

Do you have hydrolics setup on the bender?

If not how is it to bend the "pipe"...

Unless your doing tube everyday as a business, hydraulics seem to be a waste of time. Bending the tube is easy and you actually spend very little time with the bender and most of your time notching, cutting angles, fitting and tacking stuff in place.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I'm a Mechanical Engineer. The company I work for designs and builds all sorts of automated factory equipment. It's safe to say you've been in a car that some of our automation touched in some way (we've done a lot of airbag stuff). The coolest thing is both the owners of the company 4 wheel. Before my project we swapped out the axles on my Bosses YJ for a 44/60 combo, added 38's and fabbed some shock mounts, etc. I love my job.

that is soo cool, I wanted to get a degree in MET but I went for Computer Science instead..never made it bought two Submarine sandwich shops instead.......

Do you have some lift built into your rear spring hanger or is that how zuks are stock?

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I'm a Mechanical Engineer. The company I work for designs and builds all sorts of automated factory equipment. It's safe to say you've been in a car that some of our automation touched in some way (we've done a lot of airbag stuff). The coolest thing is both the owners of the company 4 wheel. Before my project we swapped out the axles on my Bosses YJ for a 44/60 combo, added 38's and fabbed some shock mounts, etc. I love my job.


I STILL think Chris is really just a computer geek genius and that it´s all Photoshop trickery!!!:flipoff2: :D


Chris, really nice work. REALLY..............

Ya fawker, Im envious as shite........:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


What's BTG stand for?


"BUILT TO GRIND"

Originally posted by MudYoTa
Do you have some lift built into your rear spring hanger or is that how zuks are stock?

The new hangers are pretty close to the stock locations, within an inch. They look lifted due to the way the frame arcs upward. I moved the front mounts back about 5 inches and in so they were inline with the frame.

Originally posted by EricZ



"BUILT TO GRIND"


Who needs shakedown runs? Come out Saturday nite.:D

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I know I borrowed a few styling cues here and there.

Shock hoops, Gas filler, Inboarded rears, length...... Blahhh, blahhh blahhhh.
I guess imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...:rolleyes:


BIG PROPS to Fat Kid for show'n how to biuld a Sammy...

Originally posted by Tin Bender


Shock hoops, Gas filler, Inboarded rears, length...... Blahhh, blahhh blahhhh.
I guess imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...:rolleyes:


BIG PROPS to Fat Kid for show'n how to biuld a Sammy...

--sniff-sniff- smells like a troll, or an ass.....

Funny, I had shock hoops on the front of mine for some time, YJ's too. Mounting a fuel filler isn't rocket science, I am sure it's been done before by someone. Maybe the way I did it (which is different that FK's) will help someone else out. FWIW I like FK's ride, but I don't think there's enough storage space for tools, spares and a cooler, but maybe he's just got that stuff all hidden away better than I do, or since it's a competition rig you don't need that stuff...... Either way let's see you build a rig that doesn't have a single similiar concept.

FKs sami ia bitchin', but NOT the first tubed and strechted sami by a long shot, so go easy the Tin tin :flipoff2: Your not trying to stir it up again are ya'???

I took this pic of a Badlands zuk buggy in Montrose back in Sept. of 2000...tubed ass-end and 38 SXs so who's copyin' who?:D

http://www.sonic.net/jkwaters/images/snipe_1.jpg

Originally posted by Tin Bender


Shock hoops, Gas filler, Inboarded rears, length...... Blahhh, blahhh blahhhh.
I guess imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...:rolleyes:


BIG PROPS to Fat Kid for show'n how to biuld a Sammy...


OH PLEASE!!!! When was the last time anyone REALLY AND TRUELY had a 110% original thought. I think even Leonardo da Vinci used other people's work as inspiration for his...

Using styling trends from other motorsports (i.e. dune buggies for shock hoops and tube frames, monster trucks for 4 wheel steering, long travel coil-over shocks and limiting straps, spools and other high strength, lightweight tricks from drag-racers) is pretty common in rock-crawling since our sport is a mixture of all of the above.

Matt

Originally posted by ManglerYJ



OH PLEASE!!!! When was the last time anyone REALLY AND TRUELY had a 110% original thought.
Matt

I did:flipoff2:


http://www.asianautopartsofaz.com/images/bucket-big.jpg

Hey Chris let me no when to squeeze this one off























http://4play4wheelers.com/bd1.JPG :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rockrat
Hey Chris let me no when to squeeze this one off























http://4play4wheelers.com/bd1.JPG :flipoff2:

You callin us out, bring it.

Oh christ ya Im callin ya out meet me in chicago and will climb some skyscrapers its a joke funny Haha dont get your undees in a bunch hate to see ya cut off the circulation :D :D

Skin More than a little thin??

Tube work, yeah it's been done... spring combo and other things? Don't think so...but maybe..

It's funny when you say "lets see you build something like it"..LOL
Who do you think design'd it FK ride??

I think it's great that you have your "AZ Crawler" following that think your the shit when it comes to tube or build'n a rig, or what ever....

One of these days, you'll put your $$ where your mouth is and take that shot Rock Rat's talk'n about...
Or are you afraid the fall from that pedistal that people like him put you on will hurt???


:flipoff2:

[http://www.interbulletin.com/imgdb/fh-crc-deflt-20010828-00077-br.jpg


I see TB is feeling better. LOL

BTW, I thought maybe f/k designed his rig.:flipoff2:

Wuzzzzuppppppppppp:D

Damn, it's been busy!!! So no time to Surf anymore:(

I gotta get my shot's off while I can...:D

Originally posted by Tin Bender
Skin More than a little thin??

Tube work, yeah it's been done... spring combo and other things? Don't think so...but maybe..

It's funny when you say "lets see you build something like it"..LOL
Who do you think design'd it FK ride??

I think it's great that you have your "AZ Crawler" following that think your the shit when it comes to tube or build'n a rig, or what ever....

One of these days, you'll put your $$ where your mouth is and take that shot Rock Rat's talk'n about...
Or are you afraid the fall from that pedistal that people like him put you on will hurt???


:flipoff2:

Somebody has issues. Why don't you wash that sand out of your vagina and show me where I claimed any of these ideas as mine, or where I claim to be the sh$t. What a dick, are you this way in real life or do you just play one on the web? FWIW I used my same springs I had, and inboard springs have been done since the old SJ 410's. Again, let's see a unique idea from you, o great god of all that is Samurai.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


--sniff-sniff- smells like a troll, or an ass.....

Either way let's see you build a rig that doesn't have a single similiar concept.

At least get the quote right would ya Mr. Tin Bender

I think everyone admires Chris cause he's getting the chance to do what most of us dont get to do for one reason or another but we all no hes not the first and nobody here is putting him on any frickin pedistal as far as a following you apear to be the only stalker,
you no there are laws against that. Now play nice :D

Tell ya what, if your such a thin skin'd little pussy, then stay home.....:rolleyes:

I didn't say I didn't like your rig, I didn't say I didn't think it look'd great....

I think you need to take a look at your OWN pussy cause you sure take shots like one...

FYI...:flipoff2:= Don't take it to heart, but never mind.

Man did I miss something?:confused: Simmma don-naw you too:flipoff2: Or you guy's are going into TimeOut!!:p

Originally posted by Bill4rest
Man did I miss something?:confused: Simmma don-naw you too:flipoff2: Or you guy's are going into TimeOut!!:p
Ditto! WTF Guys?

all of your rigs are alsome i've seen some of the tin bender and chris's and rode in his and his is so awsome


some people need a sence of humor [cough] tinbenders [cough]

Originally posted by Tin Bender
Shock hoops, Gas filler, Inboarded rears, length...... Blahhh, blahhh blahhhh.
I guess imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...:rolleyes:

BIG PROPS to Fat Kid for show'n how to biuld a Sammy...

Yeah, you guys are Pioneers, you're pulling off shit that's never been done before!:rolleyes:

When is the new and improved Fatmobile making it's Debut?

i've have pick of it from the rubicon rob [sumo gears] and fat kids look alike but fatkid is tube rear and rob is the samuri body customized

I have not a fawkin clue what nozuk just said.. not a fawkin clue.. can someone de-cypher that zookese?:flipoff2:


all in fun

He said his top two picks for best looking zuk would be:

* Rob's Zuk (Suo gear manufacturer)
* and Fatkids rig.

If you need practice deciphering poor grammar/spelling/typing skills, go look up some posts by Cheif Slapaho, whoever it is that posts in yellow (axlesnapper something?) in the chitchat and gen4x4 forums... or skyetone in the Toy forum. :D

I've gotten used to DSI. I automtically convert "teh" into "the" in my head now - don't even realize it any more. :flipoff2:

pictures of there and they look simaler

Originally posted by nozuk
pictures of there and they look simaler

Nozuk's tribe communicates in code, using broken sentence fragments and misspellings as a way to confuse outsiders. TNToy has apparently broken the code..... and will probably be scalped.

Originally posted by CSR


Nozuk's tribe communicates in code, using broken sentence fragments and misspellings as a way to confuse outsiders. TNToy has apparently broken the code..... and will probably be scalped.

BAHAHAHHA LMFAO!

Originally posted by TNToy

If you need practice deciphering poor grammar/spelling/typing skills, go look up some posts by Cheif Slapaho, whoever it is that posts in yellow (axlesnapper something?) in the chitchat and gen4x4 forums... or skyetone in the Toy forum. :D



That would have been Robert Stone who has since been banned. The Axlesnapper who posts in yellow is Yellowsub, the moderator of the land use forum;)

Originally posted by TNToy
He said his top two picks for best looking zuk would be:

* Rob's Zuk (Suo gear manufacturer)
* and Fatkids rig.

If you need practice deciphering poor grammar/spelling/typing skills, go look up some posts by Cheif Slapaho, whoever it is that posts in yellow (axlesnapper something?) in the chitchat and gen4x4 forums... or skyetone in the Toy forum. :D

I've gotten used to DSI. I automtically convert "teh" into "the" in my head now - don't even realize it any more. :flipoff2:

Ahhhh well I done seen FK's rig .. whos this rob guy and where can I see a pic of his rig?:D

Originally posted by Junkyahd Jedi


Ahhhh well I done seen FK's rig .. whos this rob guy and where can I see a pic of his rig?:D

You can see it here. (http://www.asianautopartsofaz.com/suzuki/mrsumo/mrsumo.html)

Chris, were you able to get out and flex the rig this last weekend?

Mark

you all spoke it once it called high school not no forum langueage:rasta:

Originally posted by kongs
Chris, were you able to get out and flex the rig this last weekend?

Mark

We played in the mud Sat, I guess I needed to see how dirty we'd get some time (with no sheetmetal now). It actually wasn't bad (actually stayed totally clean) if I kept the speed down. The rig flexed at least as good as it did before, doesn't seem like I screwed up the balance at all. Jay's traction bar design works good, we did some 2wd hillclimbs on Sunday and I got no wheel hop unlike before.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_01.jpg

Mud, my favorite!

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_04.jpg

No need to stack rocks if you carry a hi-lift.....

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_12.jpg

The claws flexing good....

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_15.jpg

Just for reference, same spot as the first picture but a rig with 44's :eek:

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_26.jpg

Chris you have any idea what your weight is now?

Originally posted by Bill4rest
Chris you have any idea what your weight is now?

I am about 165, why do you ask?

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I am about 165, why do you ask?

HA........HA.......the samy:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Mud, my favorite!
Where?

Not being a smartass or anything here, but all I see is damp sand. :confused:

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/trails/06-24-02/DCP01340.JPG
http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/trails/06-24-02/DCP01342.JPG

I'm with scwafish. I'm moving to AZ. This sucks. :mad:

Originally posted by TNToy
I'm moving to AZ. This sucks. :mad:

Tennessee has rocks, Evan, we're just on the wrong end. Go with us to Tellico next weekend and we'll show ya!;)

Nice


Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


We played in the mud Sat, I guess I needed to see how dirty we'd get some time (with no sheetmetal now). It actually wasn't bad (actually stayed totally clean) if I kept the speed down. The rig flexed at least as good as it did before, doesn't seem like I screwed up the balance at all. Jay's traction bar design works good, we did some 2wd hillclimbs on Sunday and I got no wheel hop unlike before.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_01.jpg

Mud, my favorite!

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_04.jpg

No need to stack rocks if you carry a hi-lift.....

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_12.jpg

The claws flexing good....

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_15.jpg

Just for reference, same spot as the first picture but a rig with 44's :eek:

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/rocks_26.jpg

Originally posted by TNToy

Where?

Not being a smartass or anything here, but all I see is damp sand. :confused:


I'm with scwafish. I'm moving to AZ. This sucks. :mad:

Sorry, I should have said quicksand. Here's some of the mud, I didn't get out to take many pictures. The guys gave the driver a hard time after pulling him out, he said he could have made it if he wanted (spool up the turbos!), but he didn't know what color he would have been when he got across :D

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/9-02arrrun/dscn3658.jpg

Originally posted by Bill4rest


HA........HA.......the samy:flipoff2:

I don't know, I'll have to find a scale. It's not lighter. Several people told me the back end sheetmetal weighed a lot which is bull. I can toss it around myself so I'd guess it's only 50-60lbs. I did remove about 5lbs of nuts and bolts :eek: I had a coffee can full when I was done. By my calculations the tubing I used was approx 246 lbs minus a little bit for all the notching. To keep the CG at least at the same point (height wise) it was before I mounted my fuel tank behind the seat and my trunk in back down low since that is the heaviest thing onboard. I could have gotten it between the frame rails but I wanted to brace the stock crossmember to the frame.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I don't know, I'll have to find a scale. It's not lighter. Several people told me the back end sheetmetal weighed a lot which is bull. I can toss it around myself so I'd guess it's only 50-60lbs. I did remove about 5lbs of nuts and bolts :eek: I had a coffee can full when I was done. By my calculations the tubing I used was approx 246 lbs minus a little bit for all the notching. To keep the CG at least at the same point (height wise) it was before I mounted my fuel tank behind the seat and my trunk in back down low since that is the heaviest thing onboard. I could have gotten it between the frame rails but I wanted to brace the stock crossmember to the frame.

Is it all .120 wall?

Yep, .120 wall.