Not sure if anyone has dealt with them but I'm never going to as of now. I know it's on the other forum but everyone should be aware of this kind of crap.

http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2371166#post2371166

hmm I've had a couple good friends buy there rear bumper and they have been extremely pleased.

I think thats stupid of you for to take 1 experience from someone that you don't even know and then say you would never deal with them. And then try to give them a bad rap.

DID you also READ, that he sent him another bumper!! Sounds like thats a pretty good deal, the guy gets two bumpers for the same price of one.

There was a whole thread about this at the Outdoor Wire a year or so ago. Same kind of situation, stuff didn't fit, didn't want to make it good, etc. I guess some people get a decent product, others are screwed. Roll the dice!!

Originally posted by 392ssII
I think thats stupid of you for to take 1 experience from someone that you don't even know and then say you would never deal with them. And then try to give them a bad rap.

DID you also READ, that he sent him another bumper!! Sounds like thats a pretty good deal, the guy gets two bumpers for the same price of one.

I've heard from several other people that they've had horrible experiences with Kennesaw Mtn with delays on orders. I wouldn't order from them myself.

Originally posted by 392ssII
I think thats stupid of you for to take 1 experience from someone that you don't even know and then say you would never deal with them. And then try to give them a bad rap.

DID you also READ, that he sent him another bumper!! Sounds like thats a pretty good deal, the guy gets two bumpers for the same price of one.

ARE YOU INSANE! he isn't gettting 2 bumpers for the price of one. he is getting 1 bumper and 1 piece of shit for 75 bucks more than the price of one, and he had to wait 6 months.

if i were you i would post the business phine number, and ask everyone to call to order bumpers, and waste a lot of km's time, and then say "oh wait a minute you guys build shitty bumpers, and i don't want one"

Yeah I would say he's getting screwed. He has to pay 75 bucks to have his old one fixed(they messed up in the first place). Then to tell the cusomtmer your tired of dealing with him and hanging up.


Oh yeah what about the guy on there that said they had a gruop order of 15 and quite a few didn't fit right and one couldn't use it at all.

For 375 bucks it had better fit exactly the first time and everytime or you shouldn't be making parts.

I must have misread...I thought he was getting to keep the bumper that didn't fit, and then just pay $75 bucks for a gay shipping fee that was probably for the time that the bumper sat there and the dude probably got notification that it was there and that the charage you for space that it takes up if not picked up on time. So $350+$75= $425 for two bumpers, whereas $700 for two bumpers....still sounds like a deal to me.
Just cus it' don't fit don't mean it isn't quality make, you will just have to use some of your own fab skills to correct the one with bad measurments.

There was no defect in the quality just some bad measurements that i bet if the guy on JU isn't a complete shithead can fix up and fab it to fit w/o any tailgate interferences...but he is probably a shithead.
FAWKIN JU people...

OH WELL WHY DEAL WITH THAT SHIOT!!!when......you can
Make your own stuff and then the only person you have to deal with is yourself...saves a lot of money and inconvience and hassle...thats the way i go.

I've heard the exact same stories from people who have ordered them for their Nissans. Sounds like some dick. I'd be down with the prank bumper orders. I think they're ugly too, I could design/build a better looking bumper than anything they put out.

Personal experience (no I did not buy from them but have several friends that did) tells me that they build JUNK. It does not fit half the time and if it does fit something will be wrong with it. I talked with KYLE 2 years ago at Dixie and he claimed he did not own KMA. He just worked there.

It was originally started by his Dad who supposedly did good work, then Kyle took it over and it went to shit. Again, supposedly dad came in and tried to bail it out but it looks like it aint working.

There are stories of their shoddy workmanship all over the net so I would say its not just one guys opinion.

For you Jeep people, stay away from Rusty's Off-road too, he is a scammer and lies. He will take your money or bill your card and your products will take forever to show up, if they ever do.

Depdog

edit: i removed my 2 year old comments, i could care less about this topic....

-yag

I recently got a Kennesaw Mtn bumper made for my 98 4Runner. I am very pleased with it, quality is real good. I did drive down to Kyles shop tho to get it made so it was customed fitted so I dont have any problems. He made it in about 7 hours so I had it done in a day. Only problem I have is that the mounting for it is on the exhaust, so it rattled until I cut some of it of. Heres a pic of what it looks like http://pics.montypics.com/EClayton08/2002-07-26/bumpercleantire.jpg

I hate mine. It's a piece of shiot that rattles and is not at all what I ordered.

He won't deal with me either.
I am in the process of rebuilding mine.

Zukipuke.

You got lucky, I did build my own bumper I wouldnt let that idiot at KMA work on a go cart.

Yeah I am a cheap bastard, thats why I build my own. So go :flipoff: youself! :flipoff2:

I did'nt pick anything to buy from him cause he's a DICK and his work SUCKS! So what are you his ass polisher or something.

Depdog

Originally posted by 392ssII
Just cus it' don't fit don't mean it isn't quality make :confused:

There was no defect in the quality just some bad measurements :confused:

Wrong!! If I pay hundreds of dollars for something and the manufacturur represents it as a bolt on, it better bolt on! But then again I don't normally buy bolt-ons.

your right...so the steel and welds and design are shit, it will just crumple right when you touch it! WRONG!! (that is quality stuff) if your too lazy to get of your ass and have someone else make it, and the vehicle is not right in front of them...what do you expect...I guess stuff like this has never happened from other big name company's, but no one will say anything b/c they are BIG NAME. Tera Low sent some dude those new tera axles and said they were assembled, but low and behold they were fawked up the backlash and pinion depth was so off that the pinion dind't even meet the ring and you could wiggle the pinion around, now that is what i call a fawk up...something that should be assembled that is a standard like setting backlash, backlash is a given and should be done right and does not take any custom fab. But Tera is a big name so who gives a shit and then they gave the customer a hard time and took him like a month for them to take back the axles, but it's Tera so no problem they are big, lets just have asses like yall that don't know crap about KMA say stuff about there fabrication and products...and i guess the guy at Kenn. Mtn. Access....didn't try at all to fix the problem. WRONG!! He sent another bumper, and it was the shitheads fault for not picking it up on time and got charged a docking fee.

In my eyes i see it as if your too lazy and want someone else to make you something YOU better send the EXACT design you want and measurements so that it will be right or MAKE your own shit...also who's to say that the dipshit sent in wrong measurments for his bumper....DID ANY OF YALL THINK ABOUT THAT!! it could be the customers own fault for all of this, but GO AHEAD AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.
:flipoff2:

I don't know why I care so much...i make my own stuff, but hate to see people get a bad name unless they deserve it.

Sounds like your the one making ASS sumptions :rolleyes:

Did you call the guy who made the post to confirm that the shipping charges were his fault? Why dont you start the KMA fan club, you could be the president :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I speak from personal experience with their JUNK and thats what it is. By the way, my bud got 2 bumpers from them ( he lives local and went there and had them measure ) he fawked up both of them.

Where is your explanation on that?

I have seen big name companies screw as well, know what the big named companies STOOD BEHIND THEIR PRODUTS. Either fixed them or replaced them. Thats where a good name comes from. It is possible to screw something up and it may not have been your fault, but by god stand behind your product with some customer service.

Personal experience says that KMA DOES NOT.

SO in my personal opinion the BLOW GOATS!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Depdog

edit: i removed my 2 year old comments, i could care less about this topic....

-yag

Originally posted by 392ssII
your right...so the steel and welds and design are shit, it will just crumple right when you touch it! WRONG!! (that is quality stuff) if your too lazy to get of your ass and have someone else make it, and the vehicle is not right in front of them...what do you expect...I guess stuff like this has never happened from other big name company's, but no one will say anything b/c they are BIG NAME. Tera Low sent some dude those new tera axles and said they were assembled, but low and behold they were fawked up the backlash and pinion depth was so off that the pinion dind't even meet the ring and you could wiggle the pinion around, now that is what i call a fawk up...something that should be assembled that is a standard like setting backlash, backlash is a given and should be done right and does not take any custom fab. But Tera is a big name so who gives a shit and then they gave the customer a hard time and took him like a month for them to take back the axles, but it's Tera so no problem they are big, lets just have asses like yall that don't know crap about KMA say stuff about there fabrication and products...and i guess the guy at Kenn. Mtn. Access....didn't try at all to fix the problem. WRONG!! He sent another bumper, and it was the shitheads fault for not picking it up on time and got charged a docking fee.

In my eyes i see it as if your too lazy and want someone else to make you something YOU better send the EXACT design you want and measurements so that it will be right or MAKE your own shit...also who's to say that the dipshit sent in wrong measurments for his bumper....DID ANY OF YALL THINK ABOUT THAT!! it could be the customers own fault for all of this, but GO AHEAD AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.
:flipoff2:

I don't know why I care so much...i make my own stuff, but hate to see people get a bad name unless they deserve it.


im sorry but thats pure garbage. if the guy ponies up money for a bumper that is advertised to fit an XJ, it should FIT! what is so hard to fucking understand about that? you put down money for something, you should get what you pay for!

is the four-wheeling market immune to common business sense?

frankly i dont know how alot of these guys get away with this crap...i mean think what would happen if DELL or someone started just fucking up half the orders it got, and then refused to deal with customers?....i guarandamntee you they wouldnt be around too long. and how many atlasses you seen come from the factory fawked up? i havent seen any...plenty of bumper manufacturers seem to be able to get the job done a regular basis, with decent fit each time (IE HANSON ENT.)

shit, im all in favor of making your own shiot, but not everyone has the time and money for fab equipment. so just cause someone makes their own 2x4 bumper doesnt make you freekin alexander the great or something, and it doesnt give anyone the right to shit on anyone esle who doesnt have the equipment or time to do it themselves. many people heres time is more valuable than the difference in cost, so it makes sense to buy a bumper.

SOOOO IF (and it seems like a pretty BIG IF) the new one fits, Kyle or whoever the fuck should suck up the shipping costs.yes, all of them. peroid. thats how you do business gents, you make customers happy. it may cost you a little now, but youll be doing yourself a favor in the long run. dont know too many businesses around that dont need repeat customers.
shit, if this guy wants to throw his business down the drain, thats his perrogative. ive never even seen their products, and il never buy one because of that kind of customer service debacle. assuming you dont make your own, why would you put down 375 with a strong chance it wont fit, and youll be out in the cold for 375. pure bullshit i say.

and i dont know where you get off with the big name thing....tomken/rustys/tera/RE...
they all get bashed when they fawk up, no one is safe from word of mouth, it doesnt matter if you are BIG NAME or not. at least people do get issues resolved with those companies(sometimes)

i think the thread is completely appropriate, and i appreciate being informed about businesses to put on the "not to deal with" list.

stepping off my colliseum built of soapboxes.
~John

If "several" of your friends have been screwed over why don't you be a nice friend and make then some bumpers ! Better yet why don't you start selling some. And we can all pass 3rd hand shit about your junk. And as far as pollishing anything I suggest you grow up. I don't think you wanna start calling me out.

Okay ass hole! I'm one of Depdog's friend and we have built bumpers and a rollcage together. And as far as KMA well they do suck ass and screw people over. I mad the mistake about 2 years ago and sold the piece off shit. :flipoff2: So yes this is fact and the SOB's shop is 20 min from my house. Plus any dumbass that enters TOR challenge with a Stock Nissan is a dumbass anyway.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Blazer-79
Plus any dumbass that enters TOR challenge with a Stock Nissan is a dumbass anyway.:flipoff2:

Now that shit is funny:flipoff2: , anyway all i am saying is why give some dude a bad name...i don't know him and have never bought any of his stuff...BUT what i was saying is that yall had bad products...BUT yall WERE NOT fuckfaces and started a thread about the product, UNLIKE that JU guy and the dude that linked that topic from JU over to here. He did send another bumper to the guy and MY ASSUMPTION is that YALL DO NOT know if that $75 dollar fee was for a loading dock fee for it sitting there too long, which would have been the customers fault. So when he did send the a new bumper to him and let him keep the old one too I think thats pretty good service, and if the fee was due to the customer being lazy thats HIS fault for not picking it up on time. It's gay when people rant about getting shitty customer service from a company and you are only hearing the CUSTOMERS side of the story and not the whole story...thats all.

This shit really started over 2 years ago. Several Colorado k5 members were screwed by KMA. Many complained about extremely long lead times on bumpers. Look if your going to run a business and sale bumpers you should have several base model bumpers waiting to be shipped and then add D-rings or what ever when they need them. I have visited this shop and it is just your average welding shop. The guy really don't know alot about wheeling. "Look at his ride". He entered that offroad Challenge in Tenn. with stock gears stock axles. That means NO traction devices. DUH He drives a 300Z to work. Anyone that loyal to Jap cars sucks!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Doh, Grim you gotta love the Jap car comment. :eek:



Depdog:D

Originally posted by Blazer-79
DUH He drives a 300Z to work. Anyone that loyal to Jap cars sucks!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

That don't mean shit to alot here as they drive ricer shit trucks.

Go get them John. :D :D

Protofab bumper is 400 it bolts right on.

Tomkens is 200-300 and it bolts on.

Canyon 4x4 bolts on

Rusty's bolts on no mods.

KM doesn't bolt on, requires mods on still cost 400? And they are special how.

This post was to alert anyone that might be buying these guys stuff. A caution., not to get your panties in a knot.

i am pretty happy with my KMA bumper, i even get alot of compliments on it.





Of course, its kinda hard to winch up anything with this combo--->http://www.yeild2me.rockcrawler.com/images/winch.gif


rob

I don't know why I care so much...i make my own stuff, but hate to see people get a bad name unless they deserve it. [/B][/QUOTE]

it sounds like he doesw deserve it

I hoped it wouldn't come to this, but here goes the short story:

After numerous delays & 45 days of waiting I received the crappiest bumper ever made. The guy says his warranty will pay for return shipping, correction of the numerous defects and pay to ship back. I needed a bumper legally so I got another and asked for a refund. He said no. Paypal said work it out, credit card said wait 90 days. Guy refuses to answer any of my inquiries, so I file a complaint with the local authorities Consumer Fraud division. They talk to him, he says because I tried to get a refund he's not lifting a finger to do anything. They told him to fix it and send it back. Yesterday, over a month since I returned it at my own expense, it comes back to me EXACTLY AS I SENT IT BACK. Owner sends terse email saying he isn't reworking the bumper and then has the nerve to tell me I owe him for shipping it back! I am so pissed I can't see straight. I know some on this board have a personal relationship with him and his business, but this is just wrong. Now I have to go through small claims court. Save yourself a ton of headaches and stay away from these guys...

Chris

It had holes cut and blinkers installed I did not want, nor authorize. I was not charged for them, which leads me to believe it was an oversight on somebody’s part. Furthermore, when I tried to install the bumper, it did not fit. The tabs to line it up with the frame were off laterally, so the bumper stuck out one side and was up against the fender on the other side. In addition, one of the tabs was almost ¾ of an inch lower than the other, prohibiting installation at all. Even had the tabs been correctly lined up, they were set up to bolt to a point on the truck unable to safely support the weight of the bumper and winch, much less actually use the winch for vehicle recovery.



The bumper was shabbily constructed, ill fitting, and crooked. It would have taken an immense amount of fabrication to his bumper to make it fit my truck as promised.



To sum up:



I did not want blinkers.
When the bumper is all the way up against the truck on the fenders, the lower brackets will not reach the frame. They were set up to bolt to the crush cans... it is a full 3" from the frame rails. These are inadequate mounting points for this application, as there is only one bolt holding the crush cans to a thin metal plate that caps the end of the frame.
The entire bumper is off to the left laterally, basically requiring all of the brackets be redone.
The left inner frame bracket is ~.75" lower than the right
The winch bucket is off center to the right (17.5” vs. 18”)
The Right hand bracket that bolts to the tab on the body mount is 7.625” from the outer top corner, while the same distance on the other side is 8.5”
My pics are here: http://community.webshots.com/user/valkyrie610

Chris

I just wanted to spread the word and found this old thread to attach to. I've also seen a 3rd Gen 4Runner bumper, although it looked nice in appearance, the mounting system sucked, with a big chunk of metal hanging below the frame rails; http://www.digitalpimp.org/~john/Pictures_old/Misc/bracket%20bolted%20and%20welded.JPG

I just got my KMA bumpers a few months ago.

1. they fit like crap. Not only were there NO mounting holes in the brackets for the bumper, the front one doesn't tie into the frame far enough for my liking and the rear one would have been 12" from the body if I hadn't modified the brackets to make it fit.

2. They can't follow simple instructions that were given to them about the way the bumper was to be constructed.

3. It didn't have the side armor that he was supposed to build (thank God I didn't pay for it)

4. The front one hangs down way too low and the last time I was at badlands I scraped it on everything

5. The front turn signals are mounted so they bubble out of the bumper. This bumper was designed to be bashed, the front off road lights are recessed while the front turn signals are bubbled out? Moral of the story is I trashed my turn signal on a tree my first trip out.

6. There was a hole cut in the front bumper to operate the clutch on the winch. It was in the wrong place and I had to cut it to fit.

7. I told him I wanted 15,000 lb shackles and not only did he charge me $40 for two MOUNTS with no shackles, he didn't even bother to bore the holes large enough in the mounts to use them. Now I'm stuck with crappy 3/4" shackles on a fullsize rig when I told him I wanted 7/8".

8. He told me it would be shipped in 30 days or I'd get a refund. It was not, and I didn't get any refund.

In short, it reaks of mass production instead of a well fabricated piece. Those hacks should be kept as far from a welder as possible. He doesn't understand English clearly and he cannot follow simple directions. He claims he takes custom orders but he cannot follow simple design instructions.

KMA has been building crap for some time now. I just wish I knew that so many people had been screwed by this asshole before I gave him my money. Luckily I paid half what most people pay for a pair of bumpers.

I can't believe they're still in business. They ripped me off for a piece of shit, 3 years ago.

Funny I just read this yesterday

http://forums.delphiforums.com/tacomaterritory/messages?msg=114805.1

yeah didn't like my experience with them. The product turned out ok, but like many people i had to wait like 4 months after i ordered it to finally recieve it.

I can't believe they're still in business. They ripped me off for a piece of shit, 3 years ago.

They are located very close to some of your brothers.....call in a favor...lol.

I bought a rear XJ bumper tire carrier. POS! the damn swing out hinge siezed up, no way to get grease into it. had to eventually cut it off. How hard can it be to design and build a decent product?

I had something like that happen to me before with daystar... The bumper didn't fit on my yj and they told me i could either keep it and "make it fit" and also send me a set of their high end rock rails for 200 bucks, or send me a different front bumper. I took the rock rails.
werk'd out pretty good for me...

Not sure if anyone has dealt with them but I'm never going to as of now. I know it's on the other forum but everyone should be aware of this kind of crap.

http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2371166#post2371166


a guy in dallas with a tacoma just posted on TTORA that kennesaw fawked him with a crappy product. didn't fit, no refund, and all that stuff.

They are located very close to some of your brothers.....call in a favor...lol.
Thought about it briefly. Then again, why bother? He will ulitimately get what is coming to him.

We learned that well, too. Often patience is the best weapon...

Funny I just read this yesterday

http://forums.delphiforums.com/tacomaterritory/messages?msg=114805.1


a guy in dallas with a tacoma just posted on TTORA that kennesaw fawked him with a crappy product. didn't fit, no refund, and all that stuff.

scroll up I found this old post and added Chris's horror story to this thread

Mmmm--My experience with Ken Mtn.

I got a bumper from them 2 years ago and I like it but I went through hell getting it. I talk to Kyle and he says 10 days max and I will have my bumper. Well 3 weeks later the bumper shows up. It would not even come close to fitting my bronco. Plus part of the mounting bracket fell off in my hand b/c they forgot to weld it. Plus about two thirds of the bumper was only tack welded. I call Kyle (dickhead) up and tell him whats going on. He apologized and told me he would send out another one within 2 days. Two weeks later I call and he said it would be another day but they were almost finished. I waited another two weeks and called again and he gave me the same line. I tried to cancel and get my money back and he said no. He was also very rude and quick to get off the phone. At this time I'm getting a little worried so I do a little checking on the internet and there were many and I mean many complaints on Ken Mtn. I also checked with the Georgia Better Business Bureau and there were also alot of complaints against them. I finally get my bumper about 2 months after they told me it would be 2 days. I will never order from them again much less reccomend them to anyone. Fuck um!!

I have been emailing him back and forth and so far after over a month I'm still stuck with issues that he won't resolve.

All I want is a refund for the options that I paid for that aren't working, such as the shackle mounts. So far, he's doing nothing.

Good thing I paid with my credit card.

I have been emailing him back and forth and so far after over a month I'm still stuck with issues that he won't resolve.

All I want is a refund for the options that I paid for that aren't working, such as the shackle mounts. So far, he's doing nothing.

Good thing I paid with my credit card.

i'd file with my cc asap. you can always tell teh cc company that he made good on it, but you do have some sort of statute of limitations with teh cc i believe. don't wait.

Update.

The scumbag has offered to, "fix" my bumpers if I remove them and send them back.

He's got to be joking he thinks I'm going to send them back to him to fuck them up some more.

I told him to get bent and I'll be filing with my credit card company.

your right...so the steel and welds and design are shit, it will just crumple right when you touch it! WRONG!! (that is quality stuff) if your too lazy to get of your ass and have someone else make it, and the vehicle is not right in front of them...what do you expect...I guess stuff like this has never happened from other big name company's, but no one will say anything b/c they are BIG NAME. Tera Low sent some dude those new tera axles and said they were assembled, but low and behold they were fawked up the backlash and pinion depth was so off that the pinion dind't even meet the ring and you could wiggle the pinion around, now that is what i call a fawk up...something that should be assembled that is a standard like setting backlash, backlash is a given and should be done right and does not take any custom fab. But Tera is a big name so who gives a shit and then they gave the customer a hard time and took him like a month for them to take back the axles, but it's Tera so no problem they are big, lets just have asses like yall that don't know crap about KMA say stuff about there fabrication and products...and i guess the guy at Kenn. Mtn. Access....didn't try at all to fix the problem. WRONG!! He sent another bumper, and it was the shitheads fault for not picking it up on time and got charged a docking fee.

In my eyes i see it as if your too lazy and want someone else to make you something YOU better send the EXACT design you want and measurements so that it will be right or MAKE your own shit...also who's to say that the dipshit sent in wrong measurments for his bumper....DID ANY OF YALL THINK ABOUT THAT!! it could be the customers own fault for all of this, but GO AHEAD AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.
:flipoff2:

I don't know why I care so much...i make my own stuff, but hate to see people get a bad name unless they deserve it.





We got a guy with a Tacoma going through the same thing right now. There have been some before him also. Kyle at KMA dosent do good work Ive seen it personaly. It fact I have met the dude I was not at all imperssed with him or his shop. Back last year there where 2 guys form California ordered some bumpers, Guess what they didnt fit so they got in touch with me and asked me if I could go to his shop so he could get measurements. I did and they still didnt fit. Its one thing to have a part not fit but for most of your stuff you build not to fit is uncalled for. BTW his waranty also says that if defective you can get a 100% refund so far no one ive seen has got there money back from him.

"In short, it reaks of mass production instead of a well fabricated piece. Those hacks should be kept as far from a welder as possible. He doesn't understand English clearly and he cannot follow simple directions. He claims he takes custom orders but he cannot follow simple design instructions."


Thats the problem its a one man show.