: Tech Discussion--GSXR Fuel injection on 1.3/1.6 8v's


yield2me
03-25-2009, 07:57 AM
Is this possible, or is it a pipe dream?

A quick search produced some tech on a 2.0 motor, but not the 1.3/1.6's.

I am running GSXR carbs on mine, but would really like it to be FI'd. This would also make Turboing more feasible.

Any input?

Rob

supazuk94
03-25-2009, 01:56 PM
thats a cool idea
wonder if the mounting was the same as the carbs .. even cooler if somone could find a way to mount it to a 16valve or a 2.0

DemoMike
03-25-2009, 02:12 PM
I think mounting it would be easy compared to the ecm thing. Anyone megasquirt here?

norzuki
03-25-2009, 04:38 PM
Just thinking out loud here:

if you run fuel injected GSXR carbs which = 4 carbs ........... couldn't you just use the stock 1.6 16 valve computer............because it is already running 4 injectors?


David

DemoMike
03-25-2009, 04:43 PM
tuning it may be a little tricky (especially those FI carbs...:))

norzuki
03-25-2009, 04:53 PM
tuning it may be a little tricky (especially those FI carbs...:))

If anything............I think that you could change / adapt the 1.6 16 computer to function with the GSXR F/I carbs.

man if this could happen I would sure be considering this !! !!


Thinking out loud again here:

the intake system that is used on the NON-FI GSXR carbs would still be used for the F/I GSXR carbs right?


Dave

Pietro
03-25-2009, 06:40 PM
I think mounting it would be easy compared to the ecm thing. Anyone megasquirt here?

I will have a full writeup of a microsquirt on a 16v motor coming up within a month or so. Of course this all hinges on whether or not mine actually works when I'm done with it:D

It is basically an OBDII block/intake minus all the smog and a dizzy with the built in coil. GM MAP and IAT sensors. Open air filter element and thorley header. I'm just buttoning up the wiring this weekend and hopefully will be running by next weekend so look for my detailed writeup soon.

yield2me
03-25-2009, 06:50 PM
From what I have seen....yes.

Someone on here did it with a 2.0 and megasquirt.


Rob

yield2me
03-25-2009, 06:54 PM
Here it is....http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8762589&postcount=13

yield2me
03-25-2009, 06:59 PM
thats a cool idea
wonder if the mounting was the same as the carbs .. even cooler if somone could find a way to mount it to a 16valve or a 2.0


See above link!!!!:smokin:

norzuki
03-25-2009, 07:11 PM
Hmmm........the deal killer for me will be the total $$$ amount.

I have no clue on how to build up a mega squirt. yes I have seen the web site.

subscribed !!

mikeb273
03-25-2009, 07:53 PM
The 2.0 with the GSXR FI looks really cool. I am in the process of swapping a 2.0 into my tracker with the stock 2.0 fuel system but if i have much trouble i may have to head that direction.

supazuk94
03-25-2009, 08:32 PM
Here it is....http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8762589&postcount=13

I so forgot about that post
whole thread for the pirate impaired
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8762589#post8762589

norzuki
03-25-2009, 09:05 PM
I have been doing a little research and came across this:

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasquirtii-engine-management-system-wpcb3-assembled-unit-p-65.html

Basically it is the MegaSquirt II

its features:

-Onboard MAP sensor for NA or boosted engines up to 21psi!
Speed density or Alpha-N.

-Use any injector - High or Low impedance.

-Compatible with output from narrowband and wideband O2 sensors.

-Log data on your laptop for later analysis.

-Tuning software is free for download and regularly updated with new
features.

-Open Source design - all code and hardware information is available online.

-Includes proper female DB37 connector and shell for building your wiring
harness.


I can follow basic "User Friendly" instructions and I can soldier, but when it comes to electronics..........I am useless

Dave

jarysidekick
07-30-2009, 06:59 PM
Hello guys...

I know it's kind of an old post but I'll just add to it just cause...

Well, I'm in the process of building an ITB intake system on my 98' Sidekick which I made a J20A swap to it too (03' Aerio 2.0L engine). Someone said that you could adapt a G16 16v ECU to the ITB's... well that's not the case, you will need to use a full programmable ECU like MS. I have a MS1 with 3.0 board (MS1v3) and had it built for Coil-on-Plug (COP) to use the OEM ignition system and not have to swap it out completely. I was controlling the coils with a gutted out EOM ignition with Mitsubishi Eclipse non-turbo cank angle sensor (CAS) internals but since then I has literally burnt two of them (can't hold heat for shit!!!). I'm now waiting to receive a 36-1 trigger wheel to mount it on the OEM damper and control timing and fire off the COP's in wasted spark mode (two ignitions every two strokes) and will use a Chevy Lumina crank sensor to read the wheel.

Anyway, in order to control the ITB's well enough you will have to have a good TPS signal (0-5v) and a very good MAP signal so then you can use Alpha-N to control idle and revving (put in a simple way). ITB's will help most at high rpm's and will take away torque on low revs. I'm doing this mod because I'll be using my Sidekick for street/drag racing but I wouldn't recommend them for trail/rock use. You see, in order to have max torque in a usable rev range, you need to elongate the intake manifold's runners to about 18-20 inches measured from intake valve stem to the outermost part of the ITB's (or velocity stack if you have any placed on them). So this is a bit impractical as space on a Sidekick, and more so on a Samy, is a huge negative factor. I will set my intake manifold with ITB's connected to it to about 15-16 inches and I will have to remove the fuse box along with the battery, radiator water reservoir and windshield wiper water can... yup, it's a difficult project as you can imagine. Another downside to ITB's is that in order to get the most out of them you need to use higher compression ratio pistons and compensate for them with higher lift/duration cams.

Anyway, if anyone has a question feel free to ask... Been reading and working on this stuff for a while now.

yield2me
05-23-2010, 02:11 PM
Did you ever get it going?

BTW- Alpha-N controls the engine via TPS (basically a false MAP reading) and RPM, because the ITB's have such low vacuum.

MSII has a feature which is just for ITB's. It combines Alpha-N and Speed Dendity.

Rob