meaning:

versatile
robust
dead-nuts reliable
able to eat a variety of ammo
could be pistol or revolver.
reletively inexpensive
can find ammo/parts anywhere...

same question for a semi-auto rifle

As much as I hate to say it, 9mm Glock.

For a rifle, AK or AR, pick your flavor, though neither is "inexpensive" since the obmanpanic started.

Glock 19?

Ruger security 6

Judge?

In wheelgun: An S&W or Ruger of some sort.

In autopistol: Tossup between the Glock 17 and 19.

Being 'the 870' makes me think: Nothing fancy - fuction over form. Excellent value. Everyone makes accesories for it. Crazy reliable.

A broken in Milspec 1911.

revolver: Smith .357 revolver

auto: tough one to call... would say 1911 but they are pricey. i am going to say something in the 9mm flavor... either a Glock or Taurus P92 (could be beretta too)

rifle: lever action 30-30, or Winchester Model 70 30-06.

revolver: Smith .357 revolver

auto: tough one to call... would say 1911 but they are pricey. i am going to say something in the 9mm flavor... either a Glock or Taurus (could be beretta too)

rifle: lever action 30-30, or Winchester Model 70 30-06.

You nailed it IMO.

revolver: Smith .357 revolver

auto: tough one to call... would say 1911 but they are pricey. i am going to say something in the 9mm flavor... either a Glock or Taurus (could be beretta too)

rifle: lever action 30-30, or Winchester Model 70 30-06.

We have a winner!!!

my lever action 30-30 is my super versatile do all gun. Good to 200yds, good in the brush, compact and easy to carry, decent mag capacity for a centerfire.

To me, a 1911 is more of a Benelli. Potential to be a much better shooter than the 870, but while many are 100% reliable, the 870 is generally regarded to work better after its been dropped in a muddy pond or carried all day in the rain.

And, um, Taurus autopistol? Many of their Beretta 92 knockoffs have tank-like reliability, but not so much with a few of their other pistols. Especially my old PT-140.

If you want to claim Beretta 92 in place of a Glock for the 870 crown, however, I have no problems with that.

To me, a 1911 is more of a Benelli. Potential to be a much better shooter than the 870, but while many are 100% reliable, the 870 is generally regarded to work better after its been dropped in a muddy pond or carried all day in the rain.

And, um, Taurus autopistol? Many of their Beretta 92 knockoffs have tank-like reliability, but not so much with a few of their other pistols. Especially my old PT-140.

If you want to claim Beretta 92 in place of a Glock for the 870 crown, however, I have no problems with that.

The Taurus P92 was exactly what i had in mind, ill clarify that above. reliable, inexpensive (i priced some last around $350 range, used), and seems like everyone has one.

Ruger security 6

this is a good choice, IMO, but it lacks in one area. An 870 can blow a lock off a door, take a game bird without much spoilage, and stop a black bear dead in its tracks with brenneke slugs. Not to mention what it can do to two legged threats.

Thats what I mean by versatility, i guess. I think a 6 would be a great small game getter, and a great training pistol, but If i handed it to a loved one, I'd kinda feel like they wouldn't be able to defend themselves.

still a great suggestion, though.

regards, B

4", s&w 66

IMO - Ruger SP101 SS 2 1/4" barrell snub-nose. Basically a full size GP100 frame that has been snubbed down. Shoots VERY accurate. Is considered a gun that is truly a shooter and can handle all +357 mag loads and all 38s. Talk about ease of ammo availability. Also a great concealed carry gun:smokin:

this is a good choice, IMO, but it lacks in one area. An 870 can blow a lock off a door, take a game bird without much spoilage, and stop a black bear dead in its tracks with brenneke slugs. Not to mention what it can do to two legged threats.

Thats what I mean by versatility, i guess.
Being 'the 870' makes me think: Nothing fancy - fuction over form. Excellent value. Everyone makes accesories for it. Crazy reliable.
Okay. Our idea of "the 870 of handguns" isn't quite the same. :D

meaning:

versatile
robust
dead-nuts reliable
able to eat a variety of ammo
could be pistol or revolver.
reletively inexpensive
can find ammo/parts anywhere...

same question for a semi-auto rifle


S&W revolver in 357 for pistol
AK for semi-auto rifle

Okay. Our idea of "the 870 of handguns" isn't quite the same. :D

you know I re-read my stated perameters(sp) and have to admit that the 6 DOES actually fulfill every count.

I rescind my criticism!

-B

Glock 17/19

Mine will feed an empty casing. If it will eat that,I don't see having a problem with any ammo.

I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards all day long, and you could dig it out of the ground and fire it reliably.

revolver: Smith .357 revolver

auto: tough one to call... would say 1911 but they are pricey. i am going to say something in the 9mm flavor... either a Glock or Taurus P92 (could be beretta too)

rifle: lever action 30-30, or Winchester Model 70 30-06.

:laughing:

I have a S&W .357 revolver, Model 70 30-06, and an 870 Magnum. I like the way you think. :D

Glock 17/19

Mine will feed an empty casing. If it will eat that,I don't see having a problem with any ammo.

I can hit a man sized target at 50 yards all day long, and you could dig it out of the ground and fire it reliably.


would a XD-9 be on par with the Glock? pretty similar in my opinion.

what say you?

would a XD-9 be on par with the Glock? pretty similar in my opinion.

what say you?

The thing is i understood him to mean by "870 of hand guns".... what handgun is sold all over the fucking place, they manufactured millions of them and have been around for many decades? Everytime i see an 870, it seems like anyone from people who never shoot or arent into shooting, to those who are experts, all have an 870. Its kind of the standard issue across the board for scatter guns.

those guns i listed above come to mind when i think about that. i mean, they are just as symbolic as they are functional in how they have found their place and usefulness in the world of guns.

im sure the springfield XD is a fine weapon, but i dont think i would put it in the "870 class"

The thing is i understood him to mean by "870 of hand guns".... what handgun is sold all over the fucking place, they manufactured millions of them and have been around for many decades? Everytime i see an 870, it seems like anyone from people who never shoot or arent into shooting, to those who are experts, all have an 870. Its kind of the standard issue across the board for scatter guns.

those guns i listed above come to mind when i think about that. i mean, they are just as symbolic as they are functional in how they have found their place and usefulness in the world of guns.

im sure the springfield XD is a fine weapon, but i dont think i would put it in the "870 class"

him, you mean me? lol. I'm the original poster..haha j/k.

so, no you wouldn't put the xd-9 in that class. gotcha...

i'd like to submit the cz-75.

seems like i've hardly ever heard of a bad experience with one. all seem to run flawlessly out of the box.

I also submit the ruger gp100. i've seen a few with 10's of thousands of rounds sent downrange with nary a problem.

him, you mean me? lol. I'm the original poster..haha j/k.

so, no you wouldn't put the xd-9 in that class. gotcha...

yes.... you... i r dumb. :flipoff2:

See I don't think anything 9mm fits in with the "870" definition as I read what the OP says.

versatile
dead-nuts reliable
able to eat a variety of ammo
can find ammo/parts anywhere...

Mostly in the area of versatility. 9mm is a good self defence round, but limited for hunting.

And in regards to reliability, revolver > semi-auto period. There isn't an argument.

A 357 is going to have a much wider variety of loads from powder puff 38 to full power magnum to shotshells. Round nose, flat, wad cutter, hollow point, lead, fmj, doesn't matter with a revolver. Light loads or heavy loads, wont effect cycling.

I am not even sure 9mm is more common then 357/38 Specially in todays market

.357 revolver. Smith, Ruger, or maybe Taurus.

Actually, I remember a revolver that a guy had, that would shoot .357, .38, 9mm,(All flavors) and .380

Does Medusa sound right?

1911 and s&w model 19 357 mag......all else is simply personal preferance,I have no use for plastic guns.

Actually, I remember a revolver that a guy had, that would shoot .357, .38, 9mm,(All flavors) and .380

Does Medusa sound right?

Yes the medusa took multiple calibers.


I still stand by my milspec (meaning bare bones, basic 1911) for a number of reasons. 870 = 12ga in my mind, a sizable round with much versatility. Converting that to a handgun = 45ACP. A large round (considering it's a handgun) that is an efficient stopper. Can be handloaded a pile of ways.


If you want to argue for a revolver then a .357 wheel gun is it. .38 spcl loads all the way to full house hunting stuff is available from the factory. S&W has some very nice models out there and if you can't scape all that cash together then Ruger offers a tank of a revolver for less.

I'd lean towards a .44 magnum revolver ala S&W 29, Ruger Red/Blackhawk before I'd go for a .357 mag. Only problem is cost; the premium Smith's get expensive quick.

Barring that, .357 mag revolver.

For a semi-auto rifle, check out the Browning BAR in .30-06. The sporting version, not the M1918 ;).

My Tarus 9mm PT92 is a work horse. Shoots every round, never hangs on any kind or quality of ammo, and shoots real nice with decent accuracy.
It's not as good as my 1911 Kimber Custom II 45ACP , but the Kimber costs twice as much.

I got a Taurus PT92 with 2 hi-cap mags for $300 at a gunshow several years ago. Its been reliable and I have never had a failure using any type of ammo. Even qualified with it for my CCW range test.

I would have to go with this one

except that's a mossberg

i will submit the browning hi-power, 9mm. I love that gun, never ever has let me down.

The 870 shorty. Not comfortable to shoot.

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