St Helens-MudRun staffers ride....Not all the Biguns' are from Fla:eek:.....

Someone should post up Derricks truck on here.

That is a burly mud truck.

where were those pics taken Im from eastern wa looks like it would be sweet

Jake.....St.Helens-MudRun, St.Helens, Ore. www.sthelens-mudrun.com

Terry,
Do you have any pics of Derricks Pure Isanity?

Rekless....No I do not.:( However, if you do a google image search you should be able to find some. Is this the one from Longview??

YouTube - St Helen's Mud Run Feb 09, Dan's Passes 2 & 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlpUpA8aUMc)

YouTube - 100 1821 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6Xmas1QEY)

Rekless.....Did you mean this truck????:mad3:

That would be him.

He is actually from Aloha. Right up the street from my office.

I thought he was locked?

mad3:

So I take it your not a big fan. I don't know the guy at all, I just see his rig and it looks like it is built fairly nice. Whats the beef?

Rekless....No Beef, none what so ever. I don't even know the guy. "Flamin" face was for .....just another badass truck humbled by our "Badass" tank trap:D.
I believe that he has been to MANY of the events @ our site thru the years. His big Mopar always draws a crowd.:eek:

I've only seen him once in person, at the Sheridan Mud Drags. Yeah he drew a crowd....... but boy that thing isn't set up to race :laughing:
For it's size, he needs something else than a somewhat built 440.

Yeah, he needs some more horsepower that is for sure.

Terry,

I wish my buddy still had his Blazer. He made that tank trap his bitch.

All these rigs fought it hard, a couple were denied.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0056-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0057-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0061-1.jpg

Here is a pic of him just out of it, I got one of him in it but it was only the door.

Built 468 BBC on 44 Boggers and tons.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0059-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0058.jpg

His rig toolin around
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/Copy2ofHPIM0051.jpg

The trap is probably a little different now, but man he hooked up in the mud. Locked front and rear, he walked into it and to the ledge and just nailed it a flew out of it.

Rekless.....Thanks so much for the pics!! Do you happen to recall what year that was?? I 'll forward these to our site admin. & get em' on our site.:D
www.sthelens-mudrun.com
Depending on the weather & participants, the trap has seen many degrees of difficulty thru the years.We have back filled it several times in the last year. Hell....we stuck a 450 JD dozer in it last year.:mad3: There is a natural spring in that area which always makes it challenging. BigHP/Big tire trucks hog it out for the rest of us. My Big Green Hunka' Hunk/429/tons/42's/locked is usually denied:(. Unless I am sneaky!
Thanks again for the pics......please post if ya' find any more & we'll get em' on the site.:smokin:

Oh I got more. :grinpimp:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/CopyofHPIM0052-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/CopyofHPIM0053-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/CopyofHPIM0055-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0046.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0048-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0049-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0054-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0062-1.jpg

And some more:grinpimp:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0063-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0065-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0066-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0067-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/rekless_off_road/HPIM0068-1.jpg
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Rekles....By the depth & shape of the "Trap" I'm gonna' say.... 2004?

2004 probably new years 2005 would be closer.

One day i will make my lazy ass up to helens but based on pics ima gonna weld up my 60 and hope the posi 70 works lol

Is that the same trap where Pro drags the chev out in his video:stirthepot:

Bringin' this one back up for upgrades.....47 spline gun drilled chromo Ouverson axles, spool,girdle & joints: Merry Christmas.:eek:
Last weekends run brutalized the front end, R-2's are NO JOKE.
Stopped by his place last night & forgot camera, will post pics of the awesomeness after work tonight.

Here's the promised pics, broken long side shaft welded itself in stock carrier w/welded spiders.
Next pics are the goodies that we all lust after for Christmas, from Ouverson:smokin:.

He sucks.


PS, I am starting to move stuff, Terry.

More christmas cheer......Ouverson spool already installed. Up here in the PNW the holidays are the seaon for BIG MUD events. Jim a member of the St.Helens Mud Run crew & fellow FOMOCO MOFO, owner/builder/engineer/mad scientist wasted ZERO time after last weekends carnage, droppin' a time to Randy. I believe Jim's BBF is a 468 c.i. stroker, high compression & gnarly. Last pic shows a 78-79 HP D60 tossed aside like a :eek:dirty shirt. HO HO HO Merry Christmas .

What is the aluminum box thingymobobber with the 2 outputs and slipyoke on it?

hey in that 2nd from the bottom pic, thats a short side rock shaft. Since he's not gonna use that after the upgrade will he sell it???

All I know is that Terry called me tonight all excited because he'd held Jim's beefy shaft in his hand and was impressed at its size.

Take that as you will :laughing::laughing::laughing:

What is the aluminum box thingymobobber with the 2 outputs and slipyoke on it?
Adam...Jim purchased an early 80's monster truck some 10 years ago. Only parts from it he uses now are the Rockwell housings & rims. I believe the item in question is a home brew t/c, looks surprisingly well thougt out & executed. Also think your Biggest B' is COOL:smokin:.

hey in that 2nd from the bottom pic, thats a short side rock shaft. Since he's not gonna use that after the upgrade will he sell it??? Send ma a PM I'll ask him.

All I know is that Terry called me tonight all excited because he'd held Jim's beefy shaft in his hand and was impressed at its size.

Take that as you will :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Don't you have a stroker to be massaging into the upright position??:flipoff2:

That old monster truck have a name or was it just a no namer?

That old monster truck have a name or was it just a no namer?
Adam....I am aware that it was a west coast based first generation truck,possibly PNW based. Jim should chime in here & fill in the details. Possibly "Unamed & Untamed" ???? Im not sure.

Adam....I am aware that it was a west coast based first generation truck,possibly PNW based. Jim should chime in here & fill in the details. Possibly "Unamed & Untamed" ???? Im not sure.

All I know is that the early body style with the R2's delivers fomoco satisfaction :smokin:

I've been wanting to put a 40's style body on SuperBeast for a long ass time now. Its very rare that I say this but Friggin Jim's truck impresses the hell out of me. Hell, even somebody as awesome as myself can use some motivation now and then :flipoff2:

That old monster truck have a name or was it just a no namer?

Adam...Talked to Jim just now, first gen monster truck called "Nasty Habit".
We are going to have to create a new log in for Jim, he forgot his old stuff. Me & kids heading over to shop to assist, shoild have more pics later.

Hell, even somebody as awesome as myself can use some motivation now and then :flipoff2:

Pro....Shouldn't you be out in the shop???????:flipoff2: This will go down in history as worlds longest cam break in.

Pro....Shouldn't you be out in the shop???????:flipoff2: This will go down in history as worlds longest cam break in.

Yea, I should be. But, all the booze is in the house, besides which; its warm in here. Its not like you can blame me :flipoff2:

Adam...Talked to Jim just now, first gen monster truck called "Nasty Habit".
We are going to have to create a new log in for Jim, he forgot his old stuff. Me & kids heading over to shop to assist, shoild have more pics later.
It'd be nice see to some ol skool pics if he has any.

And what happened to the rest of the parts like tires axles etc. ect.?

Got home from Seattle w/kids & went to the shop. This T/C intrigued me as well. According to Jim this is a very early Pro-Fab case,(prototype?) that came on "Nasty Habit".
Not a great pic but all three NP 205 outputs broken,front welded stock carrier & shaft
now scrap. An expensive outing none the less. Tranny comes out tommorrow remove & repair.

Tonights menu includes......monster shaft installation followed by T/C install.

Whats the advantage to the gun drilled shafts?

Whats the advantage to the gun drilled shafts?

Slim..... gun drilling, as I understand it, turns a solid bar in to a very thick wall tube, in effect which has superior resistance to twisting. These Ouverson axles have a lifetime warranty. Thanks for the brake lines got em' today:smokin:.

It'd be nice see to some ol skool pics if he has any.

YouTube - Nasty Habits from McMinnville, Oregon 1990 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87WjDGw24a0&feature=related)

71Chev....Notice yer' from PNW also, thanks for the links to vids. Do you have any connection to the Nasty Habits truck??

71Chev....Notice yer' from PNW also, thanks for the links to vids. Do you have any connection to the Nasty Habits truck??

No connection, but I do remember seeing it when I was a kid out in Molalla.
I live about a mile away from you. I have seen you guys around at the St. Helens and Mudfest events.

..... gun drilling, as I understand it, turns a solid bar in to a very thick wall tube, in effect which has superior resistance to twisting. ...

I've heard this before.

Wonder what effect the size of the hole has on the resistance to twisting

I live about a mile away from you. I have seen you guys around at the St. Helens and Mudfest events.
71Chev....Introduce yerself next time brother:smokin:.

In other Happy Holiday news.....Guess who's about to drop the hammer on an SCS t/c & Lenco planetary trans???$$$:eek:

pro, or jim?

pro, or jim?
Slim....Why dont ya' just pull the axles from under yer' F2, install the rocks, sawzall fenders till you achieve fitment & do a budget rebuild on the BBF using the good heads as a basis for the build?? Get the Juggernaut of Doom up & a'runnin? Get to work ya' web-wheeler:flipoff2:!
Jim is about to pull the trigger on the trans & t/c.
Pro is still FAWKERING about on breakin' in the BBF. Since there's no more Hangover Run out here, he really doesn't have any pressing need to get er' done. Even though I have allowed him to use the old style L&L's for break in, remember I bought them from him. In his defense (like the e-thug needs any) he has a major family issue to deal with.
:(

Pro is still FAWKERING about on breakin' in the BBF. Since there's no more Hangover Run out here, he really doesn't have any pressing need to get er' done. Even though I have allowed him to use the old style L&L's for break in, remember I bought them from him. In his defense (like the e-thug needs any) he has a major family issue to deal with. :(


Its nice to know that on the one hand, I've got somebody busting my balls to finish up my shit; and on the other hand knows it sucks to have both dads dying at the same time. Still, I'm soooo damn close to fire up it doesn't hurt to have incentive to overcome my innate "wtf do I care" I've had going on lately. Terry has been a huge help and at this point I can use all the motivation I can get.


In other news, there is a long history of epic fail anytime I try to add any "bling" to SuperBeast. All I really have left to do is finish out my fuel system and stab in the dizzy. I'd bought 15' of braided -8 AN line to finish her up because Summit had it for hardly cheaper than the standard....and lets face it; it looks good. I was out last night to finish up my fuel system and started cutting only to find out they'd sent me -6 AN line. Sonsuvbitches :laughing:

Meh, I need to order a new nitrous plate that will fit the dominator so what the hell, I called in the new order and got a call tag to replace their fuckup. Still, I thought it was funny that the quasi bling once again bit me in the ass :laughing:

edit: As I was writing this post my SO called me because my mom is losing it because hospice told my mom today dad wouldn't live past Christmas. Awesome! Fuck balls, and people wonder why I don't give a shit about my new motor. Well, at least my father in law isn't dying and on hospice too. Oh, wait :shaking:

I've heard this before.

Wonder what effect the size of the hole has on the resistance to twisting

<Frank Ricard> Assuming any heat treating / tempering / hardening is uniform throughout the shaft, gun drilling DOES NOT make a shaft stronger. It reduces rotating mass and overall mass, but decreases the strength of a shaft in torsion. The "resistance", if you will, of a circular shaft, to twisting (shearing stress) is the polar moment of inertia. For a circular shaft, this value is 0.5*pi*[(outer-radius)^4-(inner-radius)^4]. Since radii values have an exponent of 4, having an inner radius that is small compared to the outer radius means that not much strength is lost. <Frank Ricard>

Or if you don't believe this doofus, the following quote is from Strange Engineering, "A solid axle shaft is stronger than an equivalent diameter gun-drilled shaft; therefore, when weight is not an issue a gun-drilled axle should not be considered."

Edit: Pro, no disrespect intended and sorry for posting retarded tech after the previous post, but wanted to clear up any confusion.

Pro, no disrespect intended and sorry for posting retarded tech after the previous post, but wanted to clear up any confusion.

No worries, its an interesting discussion. My understanding has always been gun drilled, or even just thick walled tube over solid was always stronger. I don't pretend to have a strong enough grasp on physics to hold my end in the debate but I do know its one of those things that always seems hotly debated.

No worries, its an interesting discussion. My understanding has always been gun drilled, or even just thick walled tube over solid was always stronger. I don't pretend to have a strong enough grasp on physics to hold my end in the debate but I do know its one of those things that always seems hotly debated.

<still kicking the horse carcass> If a solid shaft and a gun-drilled shaft have the same cross-sectional area (also same weight per unit length), then the gun drilled shaft will always be stronger. But, the drilled shaft will obviously also have a larger outer radius. It is the larger outer radius, not the fact that it has a hole going down the middle, that makes it stronger. The theory of this stuff is standard in sophomore / junior level mechanical engineering programs.

It is the larger outer radius, not the fact that it has a hole going down the middle, that makes it stronger. The theory of this stuff is standard in sophomore / junior level mechanical engineering programs.
monkey....I am obviously in the 3rd grade as an engineer. Thanks for being the voice of reason.
Pro...Starting an 8 day pull on nights tomorrow night, let me know. I am there for ya' brother. Call me...I have some unbelievably GREAT news.

IOW if you take the same amount of material and make one thing solid and the other hollow, the hollow one will have a larger OD and will be ultimately, stronger.

If two things have the same OD and one is solid, the solid on will be heavier and stronger

I think I have wrapped my head round this. If the two are the same size and one is hollow, the hollow one has two radi(sp?) the outside of the shaft and the outside of the whole(inside of shaft). Combining the two creates a larger surface area or radius. Is that right or am I way off? I too am of 3 rd grade smarts level.

Slim do ya' still have my #?? If ya' do call me. Sent ya' PM.

I think I have wrapped my head round this. If the two are the same size and one is hollow, the hollow one has two radi(sp?) the outside of the shaft and the outside of the whole(inside of shaft). Combining the two creates a larger surface area or radius. Is that right or am I way off? I too am of 3 rd grade smarts level.

The larger surface area statement is definitely correct, but surface area doesn't determine resistance to twisting. Let me try another explanation. Think of a regular lever, the longer your lever, the more force you can apply to the object on the other end of the lever. If you double the length of your lever, you double the amount of force you apply. For a shaft in torsion, the length of the "lever" is the distance of the material from the center of the shaft, but if you double the radius of the shaft, you are actually increasing the torque the shaft can withstand by a factor of 16 (2^4). So, the more material you have further from the center of the shaft, the (exponentially) stronger it will be. A shaft that is gun drilled doesn't lose much strength because the material that was removed had a small "lever" compared to the remaining material. Sorry for the overly long reply, hope that makes more sense...

I r gettin some smarts now. Just kidding. Yes that makes tons of sense to me. Thanks for the teaching.

...A shaft that is gun drilled doesn't lose much strength because the material that was removed had a small "lever" compared to the remaining material. ...

I was trying like hell to find the % but failed.

Something like 90% of the strength is in the outer 35% of the tube or somesuch (don't quote me)...so a 1" tube with 3/8" wall is like 90% as strong as a 1" solid, but it is much lighter and uses much less material

I wish I could find those numbers....

Jim took the monster to a new location near us for new yrs day. I went up &:barf: didn't bring the camera, sorry.No Pics. Jim has found the limits (again & again) of the intermediate drive shaft & 1410 u-joints/yokes, divorced t/c.
Upon inspection the needle bearings have actually been pressed in to the u-joint cross. Guess he's exceeding the torque limits of a 1410 HUH?
Next progression & development is custom yokes & 1480 or possibly 1510. After speaking to both SCS & ProFab jim is leaning towards SCS & a complete re engineering of the monster to accomodate the SCS t/c. Bigger custom(?) yokes will be a stop gap measure prior to a new frame/cab. He's talking about a cab truck/coilovers/tube frame. Narrowed 63' cab:smokin: sounds cool .

Needs to look at semi u-joints. The yolks and joints are as cheap as 1350's.

SCS drop box & 1550 flanges shipped wednesday. Jim went w/the shorter of the drop box cases @2.00 ratio. Requires a lot of re-thinking/fab work. Flippin' rear so driveshafts are in line. New brackets & all new drivelines.
Mud Fest is an Oregon event/happening thats been brought back from the dead. Supposed to happen in early March. Should be ready & tested for this event.
Betwwen Jim's monster, Pro's new BBF & my measly 12.0 to 1 cr 429, our gear head/FOMOCO clan should be well represented:D.
Flingin' The GOO for 3 decades.:flipoff2:

Added pics from today in last post.

SCS T/C has arrived, 2:1 ratio,almost 13" drop:D. Those are the massive 5-Ton flanges/1550 u-joint. Rear Rockwell flipped, now steering is on the rear of the axle rather than the front of rear axle. Chunk rotated for inline d-shaft output configuration.

T/C is in it's new home awaiting bracketry & GINOURMOUS driveline$:eek:.

I have never met him but, jim is sorta pissing me off. Him and all his fancy money! Just joking, I am sorta working on some junk here that I hope to get going soon. It will be weak but, I hope it will be moving.

I have never met him but, jim is sorta pissing me off. Him and all his fancy money! Just joking, I am sorta working on some junk here that I hope to get going soon. It will be weak but, I hope it will be moving.
Slim...Excited to hear yer' gettin er' done.:smokin: Let us know if ya' need anything.
On your comments: Jim is a single workin' man. He's poured the last ten years into this monster. He installs & rebuilds all his stuff. Basically I just come over & assist, take pics & maintain the thread. He's the brains & a perfectionist. An electrician by trade he has worked as a machinist & heavy truck mechanic.
He's got 2 sets of tires for sale in the classifieds.:D 44" Boggers & a set 42" TSL's.
Between Jim's MONSTER & Pro's dragster on boggers, my one ton Big B' seems like a novice mini ( maybe it is):flipoff2:.

Why did he get just a 2:1 ratio? i would think a 3 or 4:1 would be better. And ive never seen the drop cases clocked like that, ive always seen them just up and down. But im assuming its swung that way for the front axle chunk. So both driveshafts are gonna have to run at angles "left or right" to meet up with the chunks??

Why did he get just a 2:1 ratio? i would think a 3 or 4:1 would be better. And ive never seen the drop cases clocked like that, ive always seen them just up and down. But im assuming its swung that way for the front axle chunk. So both driveshafts are gonna have to run at angles "left or right" to meet up with the chunks??

Looks to me like the truck has rear steer and it's now set up with both the chunks offset to the same side.

If the old 205 gearing worked well then 2:1 will be the same, you don't need super low gearing if you have enough motor.

Looks to me like the truck has rear steer and it's now set up with both the chunks offset to the same side.

If the old 205 gearing worked well then 2:1 will be the same, you don't need super low gearing if you have enough motor.

Yes sir that is correct, flipped the rear & swapped sides on rear chunk. Front & rear yokes are within 2 degrees of each other...he's a perfectionist. Jim's BBF is in the 600 HP range.

Today....SCS t/c all happily awaiting correct flanges in new brackets. 1710 flanges were originally shipped, not the spec'd 1550.

So here's an update.....drivelines w/1550 joints & companion flanges, intermediate is 1410 w/solid yoke @ tranny side. We've been thrashin' to get ready for Mud Fest.

So now Jim is planning & staging parts for the next version of this truck; 604 ci BBF, SUPERCHARGER, TUBE FRAME w/this cab. Here's the FOMOCO-C460 HEADS..... Jim's shootin' for 1500HP:smokin:.More pics tomorrow, camera went dead.

Wow! I'm interested to see if his axles will hold up.

Looks like a new cab will be in order:(
http://youtu.be/2CoykgkTpM8

Bummer, looks like he lost the rear tie-rod. Hope he had a cage. Is everyone alright?

Damnit! Everyone ok?


Hi jack on/ Would it be better to have the tie rod on the front or rear of the rear axle? /

Should have kept it in the mud where it belongs.

Good lord, I hope that thing had more of a cage than the wimpy roll bar in post 1.

What failed? Tierod or knuckle?

For future reference: Tall, skinny truck + decent amount of speed + sharp turning = some really stupid shit.

Looks like rear tie rod failed causing "crab steer" @ most inapropriate:eek: moment. Attempt @ field fix...see pic. Jim was solo, no roll bar/cage. Looks like the last ride for Big Blue. Jim had minor injuries....nothing really injured except pride. He's going full tube frame & 600 CI.

Still to this day amazes me about mud guys, dump tons of money into motors, axles, tires, etc. But won't take a Sat. to bend up some tube for a cage. Glad everyone is ok.

On it's way .................& Yes he's gonna' cage it:shaking:!

Damn, Jim wasted no time getting that new cab on, good for him. I sure don't work that fast :homer:

Still to this day amazes me about mud guys, dump tons of money into motors, axles, tires, etc. But won't take a Sat. to bend up some tube for a cage. Glad everyone is ok.

I wonder that myself. wtf? Glad he is ok.

Mine went for a flop two days ago 40 miles out. The cage saved it from going all the way over.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/ffdustyw/Meet%20and%20Greet%202004/DSCN1808-1.jpg

Still to this day amazes me about mud guys, dump tons of money into motors, axles, tires, etc. But won't take a Sat. to bend up some tube for a cage. Glad everyone is ok.

Noooo kidding. It never fails to amaze all the guys with the giant trucks and then nothing for protection than a chrome, slip together light bar. Granted, a in cab cage has been on my to do list for awhile but I still don't have one. However, I do have a stout, 3" diameter, 1/4" wall roll bar tied into the frame. Its saved me once in a roll over. Still, an in cab cage is the way to go. Jim's newest incarnation of his monster is going to be tits :smokin: