...and its a pistol :D

We can't have short barreled rifles in Michigan, so I decided to build an AR pistol. I'll get a rifle sooner or later (I have a DS kit on order with Pete, but I'm towards the bottom of the list).

Anyways, here it is:

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I built it from a virgin Essential Arms lower and a stripped YHM upper. The handguard is a YHM lightweight midlength. The lower parts kit is a DPMS that I bought from Pete. The barrel is a 10.5" E.R. Shaw. The optic is a clone off of ebay. I bought a lot of the parts on the Equipment Exchange on AR15.com Yeah yeah, I know.

The buffer system is a standard car buffer. To make sure this couldn't readily accept a stock, I filled the groove on the receiver extension with JB weld and then plasticoated it. It doesn't exactly look pretty, but it should keep me out of prison. :flipoff2:

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I have one of the muzzle brakes from 4runner to put on, but I'm waiting on the crush washer to come. I shot it today for the first time (I finished putting it together this morning) and put 80 rounds of brown bear through it no problem. It has a hell of a fireball out the barrel. It should be interesting with the brake on it.

Anyways, thanks for looking, and thanks to Doc for the writeup and Pete for the parts kit. I just need the rifle kit to round out the family. :evil:

nice weapon man....in hawaii we also cant have a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16".....how did you register that thing as a pistol....?? i want to do something like that....we also cant have a pistol type weapon with a mag that holds more than ten rounds...

according to the state of michigan, a receiver isn't a pistol until it is assembled, so it only became a pistol this morning. I haven't registered it yet, but to my understanding, I need to get a permit to purchase for it and label myself as the buyer and seller. I don't know how it works in Hawaii, but if you don't have to register your pistols, then as long as you can prove the lower wasn't built as a rifle prior to being a pistol, you are good to go (Essential Arms states the lowers were never assembled as a firearm on the invoice, so that is my proof).

Anyone, if I'm wrong about any of this, please feel free to correct me.

I think in Illinois (yea i know :shaking:) it has to be stamped as pistol only.

we have to register everything......rifles and pistols....i think i would have a hard time getting that legal...:shaking:

according to the state of michigan, a receiver isn't a pistol until it is assembled, so it only became a pistol this morning. I haven't registered it yet, but to my understanding, I need to get a permit to purchase for it and label myself as the buyer and seller. I don't know how it works in Hawaii, but if you don't have to register your pistols, then as long as you can prove the lower wasn't built as a rifle prior to being a pistol, you are good to go (Essential Arms states the lowers were never assembled as a firearm on the invoice, so that is my proof).

Anyone, if I'm wrong about any of this, please feel free to correct me.

States have their own wacky laws. But from a fed POV stripped receiver is a stripped receiver. its niether a rifle nor a pistol until it gets built.

OH, suepa, i don't think the buffer tube is legal. What you have right there is an unregistered SBR.

A stock shell will still attach to that no problems, it just wont be adjustable.
A pistol buffer is larger diameter to prevent the installation of the shell.

In Hawaii (well at least Oahu county) you have to have permission prior to purchasing a firearm. When I bought my stripped receiver, I had to request permission from the Honolulu PD to buy a rifle. The serial number fingerprints, etc, all get logged. Couple days later they give me permission, and a form to take to the gun dealer to actually purchase the item. Then after purchasing the item I have to take it back to the PD so they can verify that the serial number I requested to purchase is on the item I purchased.
Folks always complain about CA's laws. Spend some time in HI ... and people wonder why I moved :shaking:

States have their own wacky laws. But from a fed POV stripped receiver is a stripped receiver. its niether a rifle nor a pistol until it gets built.

OH, suepa, i don't think the buffer tube is legal. What you have right there is an unregistered SBR.

A stock shell will still attach to that no problems, it just wont be adjustable.
A pistol buffer is larger diameter to prevent the installation of the shell.

Nope. The plasticoat adds a good bit of thickness to the tube, so the stock won't fit over the end. I checked.

Also, the JB weld sticks out way below the groove, so even without the plasticoat, a stock wouldn't slip on past that point.

A lot of different people have done the same thing on AR15.com, that's where I got the idea.

Thanks for the concern.

You know they sell pistol buffer kits on gunbroker just for this very reason right? Also you gotta be careful what you take as gospel over on barfcom. It sounds like you are playing with fire, I somehow fine it hard to believe that a state that doesn't allow SBR's will allow a AR pistol that has 30 round hi-cap mags and a detachable mag outside the handle. If I were you I would very specifically find out if an AR pistol is legal or not and bury that thing for the time being.

I'm not worried about it. Like I said, there is no way the stock is going on the tube with the plasticoat on there. It is probably thicker with the plasticoat than the pistol receiver extensions are. It will not readily accept a stock.

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AR-15 pistols are legal in Michigan. We don't have any "assault weapon" ban or anything that would make them illegal. Machine guns are legal in MI with the tax stamp, along with AOWs, but sbr, sbs, and suppressors are not. However, this may change soon with a new Attorney General's opinion.

In Hawaii (well at least Oahu county) you have to have permission prior to purchasing a firearm. When I bought my stripped receiver, I had to request permission from the Honolulu PD to buy a rifle. The serial number fingerprints, etc, all get logged. Couple days later they give me permission, and a form to take to the gun dealer to actually purchase the item. Then after purchasing the item I have to take it back to the PD so they can verify that the serial number I requested to purchase is on the item I purchased.
Folks always complain about CA's laws. Spend some time in HI ... and people wonder why I moved :shaking:

yep the whole state is like that.....and that goes for all firearms..