Hey guy I ask for pictures the other day because I am building up a motor Jim Mulis put together for me. Stats are 392 with custom pistons, three axis mill ported heads, rods lightened, balanced, chevy wrist pins, valve springs, and new valve rockers ect.

What the hell, I get better feed back here on this board, so I will go through the motor pictures here:grinpimp: So first picture is best I can get from the bottom. Rods are lightened and balanced, the wrist pins are chevy that was the way we had to go with the pistons. Pistons are custom for a chevy 400 so Jim tells me it will spin up much faster.:smokin:If you have ever torn down a 392 you can see how much has been lightened off the rods.

Next up the rockers, Jim has a secret place that reconditions the rockers, I have built up several motors and this has always been an issue for me, I have always felt the valve train is weak on a SV motor and going back with a set of 30 plus year old rockers was always a roll of the dice.

Jim has a machine shop that has IH 345 heads in CAD for a three axes mill machine, here are a couple pictures of the intake and exhaust ports.

Just a little back ground before I get to the build up. I have owned this Scout in one from or another for way to many years so I have a lot of bling on the 392:flipoff2: So on with the show, there is a guy here that I have do alot of powder coating for my business so I get a good deal on his services. I had him do all the tin work in red or wrinkle finish black. He also did a high temp coating on the headers. First shot is the starter, Mean Green and it is worth the cash if you have headers, I have had it for 5 years and it will start the Scout in gear no problem. You can see in the second picture 266 valve cover cool because they have a nice wire holder built in.

On this side of the motor you will see the lines for the remote oil filter lines, I found an unused boss on the block I could attach two adel clamps to for the oil lines. In the past I always fought the oil lines to keep them off the headers. You can also see the back of the power steering pump bracket, I got a pump from a speed shop here in town. I have been fighting a leaking wimpy power steering pump for years soo I am trying a pump that is made for roundy round cars. The fellow at the shop told me way more pressure and flow that the hot roded pump I had.

:smokin: Kinda rare to see a built IH mill on here.

I know but I am building a 500 caddy for the DD Scout:flipoff2:

OK last one for now looking at the front of the engine, on board air and welder is all there. the welder uses a smog pump bracket and had to drill and tap the SII water neck. Also you can see the DUI dissy this thing works nice BUT it is pricey and a bitch to get fitted in there. I would not do that again to much bullshit to get it to fit and Bill US NAVY has done lots of tech on making your own using JY parts.

I don't know why Jim is being secretive on the head work. When I hung with some of the Binder Bunch in the 80's, they were getting their headwork from:

MPG Head Service
3881 S Jason St.
Englewood, CO
80110
Ph: 303-762-8196

They do great work and have experience with binders.
P.S.- Had a Cad 500 in A Chevy short box. They are a great engine.

I don't think Jim is being secretive, I just did not pursue who did the rockers. I am hoping this is scratch that THIS is the last time I am dumping cash in a boat anchor. It is in my wheeler so it will not be doing a lot of miles and get lots of service. Jim has been great to work with I really enjoy talking with him and his shop is to cool, dry lake racers, Vipers, and Scouts unbelievable

I think that is the best looking IH392 I have seen on this board :smokin:

Thanks Black Scout shame to put it in my POS SSII but I am thinking I will doll up the engine bay before I drop it in there.

By the way check out the new shocks I scored at Summit for 6 bones each. I bought 16 shocks, they were $96.00 to my door:smokin:

Thanks Black Scout shame to put it in my POS SSII but I am thinking I will doll up the engine bay before I drop it in there.

By the way check out the new shocks I scored at Summit for 6 bones each. I bought 16 shocks, they were $96.00 to my door:smokin:

Spray paint all of them with chrome paint, put 4 per corner on the Scout, and we'll all be most envious :)

Thanks Black Scout shame to put it in my POS SSII but I am thinking I will doll up the engine bay before I drop it in there.

By the way check out the new shocks I scored at Summit for 6 bones each. I bought 16 shocks, they were $96.00 to my door:smokin:


So, you usin' all 16 at once :evil:


You can'y just throw out a screamin' deal like $6 shocks and not give the info;

EDL-20164 Twin Tube Shocks
Shock, IAS Twin Tube, GM Full Size Trucks 1973-91, 4WD, Front, 6 in. Lift, Each $6.00

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=edelbrock+IAS&N=700+4294925130+115+1001&Ntk=KeywordSearch

EDIT: DAMNIT...Only have 1 shock left. You REALLY SUCK.

Chrome paint my do that:flipoff2:

I got the info here on Priate sooo I don't think it was a secret. I am using two shocks per wheel, that's the way I set it up when we did the coil conversation:grinpimp:

I have eight shocks left over was looking at using them on my Travelette but they are to short, so I will use them for trading material or on another project:D

Chrome paint my do that:flipoff2

Mexi chrome.:mr-t::grinpimp:

Thats looking sweet Robert !

(highjack) I'm heading up to Fort Smith in about ten days. Float and Bloat on the Horn, fly fishing, camping, single malt and lies... damn lies. How close are you to the Fort?

Hey guy I ask for pictures the other day because I am building up a motor Jim Mulis put together for me. Stats are 392 with custom pistons, three axis mill ported heads, rods lightened, balanced, chevy wrist pins, valve springs, and new valve rockers ect.

got to ask How Much?


PM me if you don't want to post. :smokin:

Robert, looking really good. Jim does do nice work. You should do a stainless cover over your firewall to really make that engine stand out. Jim did one on his twin turbo 440 scout years ago and Everette has one in his Stage IV Hemi headed 440 scout.

hp #'s please

Why the 345 heads?

Higher compression I believe, there may be other reasons as well that I dont know of..

Not all 345 heads, you have to get the right ones.

Jim said he got better flow numbers from 345 heads, he uses larger velves, I don't rember the which ones. HP numbers should be around 500 but it has not been dynoed. HP is all about cam and heads if you can get them to flow. I will answer more post later this week, the work thing is really screwing up the Scout thing.

Not all 345 heads, you have to get the right ones.
Also.... not all 392's, you have to get the right one.

Jim said he got better flow numbers from 345 heads, he uses larger velves, I don't rember the which ones. HP numbers should be around 500 but it has not been dynoed. HP is all about cam and heads if you can get them to flow. I will answer more post later this week, the work thing is really screwing up the Scout thing.

Ahh, i wonderd if he put in bigger valves. You know what size?

Jim said he got better flow numbers from 345 heads, he uses larger velves, I don't rember the which ones. HP numbers should be around 500 but it has not been dynoed. HP is all about cam and heads if you can get them to flow. I will answer more post later this week, the work thing is really screwing up the Scout thing.

It take some serious flow to get to 500! Had he been drinking?

Having driven a few Maulius Jr built 392 equipped trucks i would believe 400-500HP. One of them in a 1968 800 set up with 42" TSL's and H1 wheels would light them up with no problem on the pavement and smoke them as long as you wanted, they like the fuel though, in the 8-9MPG range.

In the pics it didn't look like the intakes were even gasket matched?
A little surprised if max flow was desired.

Don't be a sissy, you know you want this motor in there.

YouTube - Blown 345 IH Scout Motor Dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdYVwVrX1E)

That vid made my dick hard :bounce:

whatta think new redline is on that motor? dosen't sound like 3900

That vid made my dick hard :bounce:

You are easily impressed. :flipoff2:

You are easily impressed. :flipoff2:

Shit. Then what exactly impresses you? That would be the tits sticking out of the hood on my Scout and getting 8-9 mpg :D

Don't be a sissy, you know you want this motor in there.

YouTube - Blown 345 IH Scout Motor Dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdYVwVrX1E)


Bla, a lame motor! You can keep those damn carbs too. That would be a major drop in power and fun for me. :D

In a highway/off-road driving loop, I still get 11-12 mpg. Highway alone I know I get much better.

Is it just me, or did it take a big part from a diesel eng. to make that so bad ass? :D

Nope, not just you WP. Looks like, or is, blower from a 2cycle Detroit Diesel. One of the many 'gearhead' shows on TV took one and placed on build engine they were promoting. DD's units are gear driven tho.

Nope, not just you WP. Looks like, or is, blower from a 2cycle Detroit Diesel. One of the many 'gearhead' shows on TV took one and placed on build engine they were promoting. DD's units are gear driven tho.

Looks like it's a Weiand 6-71 to me. :homer:

The name "Weiand" is clearly shown on the blower.

rhetorical Woodcock:D

Got the motor installed this week, looks real good. I am replacing all the plumbing this weekend. I had steel braided lines but they are long in the tooth and I would get poked every time I rubbed near the lines. I have been running new lines for the hydro boost, steering ram, filter and cooler. I will get some pictures loaded tomorrow as I get the engine bay rapped up. Sunday hope to get the tranny and 4spd Atlas mocked up and the floors cut to fit shifters and look what is needed for the cross members.

motor looks good man!.just started sprayin mine last night,the one i told you about.i see you like the red/silver/black theme.haha copy cat.

Chris that red and black with an aluminum manifold:flipoff2: I spent all day Saturday replumbing lines, I had to redo all the hydraulic lines. I used steel braided pressure lines with cloth covering. I had to build up all the lines so it took a lot of effort. A lot of little bull shit to do not worthy of posting here but I will post up a few pictures.

nice man! i'm diggin those lines.motor looks good,hows the DD one coming along

Heres a picture of the radiator I had built here in Billings.

Here's a picture of the hydro boost set up I scrounged up, it was for an airport belt loader. They use full hydro steering and hydro boost brakes. The bonus is the master cylinder bolted up to the scout brake mount with no mods:D

Here's the hot rod pump with the reservoir its suppose to put out more pressure and volume the the stock pump. There is also a filter housing, I have added a large cooler, and filter so that there is more fluid in the system to keep heat down. I used to have a milemarker hydraulic winch that would boil the fluid on long pulls. With the steering ram, hydro brakes, and largish tires I am concerned that the fluid would heat up again.

Chris the DD is done and in use, I am just starting to build up the 500 caddy for it. I am pissed about the 258 no power and crappy fuel mileage. So I will upgrade the power and have a rockin DD, I am going to look into FI for the caddy when I get a minute. Here's the last picture for the night I did not want to pull all the sheet metal again so I went over the top with the motor, a little dicey by myself but got it done, had to let all the air out if the tires:homer:

bad ass 392! What size electric fan are you running?

Chris the DD is done and in use, I am just starting to build up the 500 caddy for it. I am pissed about the 258 no power and crappy fuel mileage. So I will upgrade the power and have a rockin DD, I am going to look into FI for the caddy when I get a minute. Here's the last picture for the night I did not want to pull all the sheet metal again so I went over the top with the motor, a little dicey by myself but got it done, had to let all the air out if the tires:homer:

man that's brave!what's that thing weigh all dressed?that motors way to nice to have that lift shit the bed on you.

also just saw a 72 caddy 500 complete in the paper lastnight for 300 clams,but i already have way to much going on with the frame off,the 800 build,the new motor build.damn i need more time and space.lol

I would guess like 850lbs dressed, the cherry picker is not a HF unit so I had a little more trust in it. I did not jack it up until it was ready to go in. As far as the fan I don't remember the CFM, it was the biggest one we could find for the radiator, I got it over four years ago. If I have any heating issues I will look at a Taurus fan set up. Chris I was just jerking your crank about overpaying, there was a guy in Akin SC that had about a seventy five Scouts in a IH junk yard when I was in Atlanta, you could try and look him up his name was Larry Boroughs. Very low rent operation but he did have a pile like forty 80s and 800s.

Looking nice man.

Is that a TC pump or the misterious all external P-style pump?

I would guess like 850lbs dressed, the cherry picker is not a HF unit so I had a little more trust in it. I did not jack it up until it was ready to go in. As far as the fan I don't remember the CFM, it was the biggest one we could find for the radiator, I got it over four years ago. If I have any heating issues I will look at a Taurus fan set up. Chris I was just jerking your crank about overpaying, there was a guy in Akin SC that had about a seventy five Scouts in a IH junk yard when I was in Atlanta, you could try and look him up his name was Larry Boroughs. Very low rent operation but he did have a pile like forty 80s and 800s.

cool,i'll check him out.not that i'm buyin anymore right now.how long ago was that?when you were in ATL

Meant the diameter of the fan. Lookin good.

Ok so time to get back at it, I got the bell housing mounted up and started ruffing out the clutch for the 5spd. Got it a little geto for now, I will be looking for better links before the exhaust goes on. Sucks I had a new exhaust done about a year ago:laughing:

Last picture GF cought me riding around on the cooler, look like a Duff when you tip over, drinkin and driven is a bitch.

jet,does someone sell those coolers?or did you build it?saw one at the rolex race in feb but couldn't catch the guy.

I spent a weekend cleaning thirty years worth of crap off the frame. I ground off the frame and got ready for the welding up the crossmembers. Looking at the way my links are done, I would like to get them up above the lower frame maybe next winter.

Looks like it's a Weiand 6-71 to me. :homer:

The name "Weiand" is clearly shown on the blower.

uh history lesson any one?

Chris I got two from a guy here in Billings, he got them from a Snapon tool guy. He paid four hundred bones a peace for them. We have races at my shop but now they have an off road version that uses a weed eater motor and has four wheels, better I would think, these suck off road:homer:

Look at cruzincooler.com

i'm buildin my own- fawk it!.i've gotta 100 qaurt just itchin for some knobby's,lift and a chainsaw motor

Test question, if I shorten the arms on the throw out rod and the clutch bell crank equal length will this affect the throw on the pressure plate or peddle? I would like to get this junk up a little higher, I used the stock bell crank arm just moved it to a different position. I am thinking it should be same amount of travel just more peddle pressure.

Google it for some ideas, I looked at one that is on a go cart frame.

yes it will make it harder to push x2.

you are decreasing you leverage on the pedal and decreasing the leverage on the fork.

they are a few articals and chassis books that talk about how to build and design pedal setup and the proper/ideal ratios to be useable.

I spent a weekend cleaning thirty years worth of crap off the frame. I ground off the frame and got ready for the welding up the crossmembers. Looking at the way my links are done, I would like to get them up above the lower frame maybe next winter.

Moving the links up will change the geometry and your instance center and the amount of squat / anti-squat and so on.

Now, I don't know if moving it up would make it MORE or LESS likely to do a 3/4 pirouette and backflip again. :D

I'd be tempted to just gusset up the existing setup and call it a day. Think of it as a slightly deeper frame where the links are.

I'd just make sure that if you were sliding on the links, there's a nice transition to the gusset between the links, and then a good transition to the other set of links - nothing to snag on.

Chris the DD is done and in use, I am just starting to build up the 500 caddy for it. I am pissed about the 258 no power and crappy fuel mileage. So I will upgrade the power and have a rockin DD, I am going to look into FI for the caddy when I get a minute.

If you are looking to do a factory FI conversion on your cad motor talk to Chiscouter, he's looked into it and found it cost a lot more than he thought.

Im sure most of the research I did years ago is now obsolete. I was told by several sources that TBI tended to have fuel puddling and didn't work as well overall on engines over 450ci as on smaller ones, so I passed on it. I loooked into port using either the elelbrock or the original Caddy FI manifolds and the grand total always came up to 3K. That was many years ago, I would hope that it can be done cheaper now

I was told by several sources that TBI tended to have fuel puddling and didn't work as well overall on engines over 450ci as on smaller ones,

There's no reason you can't use TBI on larger engines. If the manifold moved enough air to work for a carburetor then a throttle body should work just as well.

There's no reason you can't use TBI on larger engines. If the manifold moved enough air to work for a carburetor then a throttle body should work just as well.

Or get the factory TBI manifold and modernize the thing. Maybe even convert to do the 8-6-4 ignition mod.

My FI research began in the late 90's and ended around 2003. I had conversations with Holly and Accel about their aftermarket TBI units and they both told me about the puddling issues over 450ci, I am not stating it as fact, only repeating what I was told. IIRC Howell said the same thing also.
The diy boneyard stuff was just getting started, and at that time I couldn't find a TBI unit from a 454, I understand they are a lot easier to come by now. I concentrated on trying for multiport using the Edlebrock and Caddy factory manifolds, and it was going to be ungodly expensive either way.
Caddy made a 364 which used the same block design as the 472/500. It used a computer controlled distributer which is a drop in to the bigger engines. I come across them every so often, I may be able to pick one up when I find one.
I think today the easiest way to FI would be to source a 454tbi unit and computer from e bay, bolt it to the elelbrock intake, use the 364 dist, and get yourself a chip burner.
http://www.cadillacpower.com/forum/index.php I looked around and this appears to be what is left of the cowboy 7 cadillac forum. It used to be a wealth of knowlege and innovation for the big cads, but has imploded and reformed a number of times. www.500cid.com is another.
http://www.cadillacperformanceparts.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Potter automotive was the most innovative caddy performance place out there when I was doing my research.
I would hope that you may find more up to date info for FI from those sources.

Thanks Chi, the 500 will get a carb for now so I can keep driving it. I will be building the motor this week the machine shop work is done so I/we will be putting it together. I got the motor and turbo 400 from Maulis when I was in CO picking up the 392. Now for the task at hand I have the 5spd and Atlas ready to install so I used a fork lift we have at the shop to lift the SSII to get the tranny under. This fuckin thing is so long and heavy two of us could not get it on a tranny jack. there is no way I can mount the case with the tranny installed so the whole mess will go in at once. This would not be bad if I had the the tub off:shaking: I have it under the Scout for now going to get reinforcements tomorrow to stab it in place. Kinda worries me that this is so big, the D300 with the 4to1 was an easy fix in and out in an hour, but the Atlas is suppose to be bad ass. I'm hoping that the Atlas is bomb proof. Looks like it may all fit with out cuting up the floor, and be all above the frame we'll see this week.

Off subject but part of why we wheel is to enjoy nature, here's a picture out my back door Saturday, Gota love the big sky.:smokin:

Thanks Chi, the 500 will get a carb for now so I can keep driving it. I will be building the motor this week the machine shop work is done so I/we will be putting it together. I got the motor and turbo 400 from Maulis when I was in CO picking up the 392. Now for the task at hand I have the 5spd and Atlas ready to install so I used a fork lift we have at the shop to lift the SSII to get the tranny under. This fuckin thing is so long and heavy two of us could not get it on a tranny jack. there is no way I can mount the case with the tranny installed so the whole mess will go in at once. This would not be bad if I had the the tub off:shaking: I have it under the Scout for now going to get reinforcements tomorrow to stab it in place. Kinda worries me that this is so big, the D300 with the 4to1 was an easy fix in and out in an hour, but the Atlas is suppose to be bad ass. I'm hoping that the Atlas is bomb proof. Looks like it may all fit with out cuting up the floor, and be all above the frame we'll see this week.
:laughing:
I had the oppossite problem installing the t19/203/205 combo last fall. The thing was so damn long and awkward that there was no way I could install it all at once. I had to install it piece at a time... trans first, then the 203 with the doubler adapter installed, then the 205. It all fit above the frame rails, but not without cutting out some floor.

Or get the factory TBI manifold and modernize the thing. Maybe even convert to do the 8-6-4 ignition mod.

Is that just ignition that cuts out? You'd still have "dead" cylinders sucking fuel and not making power. :confused:

Is that just ignition that cuts out? You'd still have "dead" cylinders sucking fuel and not making power. :confused:

The 8-6-4 engines were notorious for not working worth a shit when new, I doubt if aging them 25 years and adapting the hardware to a much larger engine will improve their reliability and functionality.

Well OK time for some more Tech, got the tranny and case installed, floor mods done up for the shifters. Got the E-brake all mounted to the case, still need to fab up a handle for the brake. I will be calling AA tomorrow for cross member advice, keep running into conflicts on rear output support. I am nervous about the long case just hanging off the adapters (they are steel ) I am thinking that's better than a turbo 400 tailshaft.

Here's a shot of the tranny mount, it bolts into the adapter for the 5spd. I am using an RPT mount, and then going to weld the angle to DOM for the tranny cross member. After I talk to AA tomorrow I will decide how to deal with the Atlas. I will fab up a skid out of 1/2 aliumum to protect the case. The 5spd is a lot taller than the T-19 and the bell housing is narrower than the old one. Looks like the right side exhaust will be a bitch, I had thought I could sneak it under the range box but with the frt drive line it will be tight.

Last one for tonight, I am starting to think I have to many levers:homer: Will need to be a qualified heavy equipment operator to drive the damn thing. There are two to operate the OX locker, three for the Atlas, two for the cutting brakes and now there will be one for the transfer case E-brake.

My FI research began in the late 90's and ended around 2003. I had conversations with Holly and Accel about their aftermarket TBI units and they both told me about the puddling issues over 450ci, I am not stating it as fact, only repeating what I was told. IIRC Howell said the same thing also.
The diy boneyard stuff was just getting started, and at that time I couldn't find a TBI unit from a 454, I understand they are a lot easier to come by now. I concentrated on trying for multiport using the Edlebrock and Caddy factory manifolds, and it was going to be ungodly expensive either way.
Caddy made a 364 which used the same block design as the 472/500. It used a computer controlled distributer which is a drop in to the bigger engines. I come across them every so often, I may be able to pick one up when I find one.
I think today the easiest way to FI would be to source a 454tbi unit and computer from e bay, bolt it to the elelbrock intake, use the 364 dist, and get yourself a chip burner.
http://www.cadillacpower.com/forum/index.php I looked around and this appears to be what is left of the cowboy 7 cadillac forum. It used to be a wealth of knowlege and innovation for the big cads, but has imploded and reformed a number of times. www.500cid.com is another.
http://www.cadillacperformanceparts.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Potter automotive was the most innovative caddy performance place out there when I was doing my research.
I would hope that you may find more up to date info for FI from those sources.

You can use a stock HEI dizzy by locking out the advances and getting a 7/8 pin EST module.

go to the BB, injection talk.

Update I spent some time on the phone with AA today great guys, if you ever need one of there products don't hesitate. Steve (AA Rep) assured me no cross member was needed for the Atlas, and in fact could bind up and cause problems. That said they cover the warranty on the case and deal with this junk everyday. I fabed up a cross member today using 1"x2" heavy wall box tubing, welded up a mount using 3/16 angle iron and an RPT tranny mount.
I will be fabing up another cross member tomorrow that will be mounted 24" to the rear, the only reason for this cross member is to mount a skid plate on. The plan is to use a 1/2" thick piece of alumumin to protect the case.
One of the concerns is that the case and bottom of the tranny are about 1" below the frame rails:eek: I did consider a body lift but I have my seats mounted to the cage and this would have been lots of new cage work. The case and tranny are still above the link mounts. So with the new cross members the skid plate will be above the link mounts.

Ok cross member is complete, next will be the exhaust. I plan to get some bends and welding up a system that goes under the range box then out the left side through a 2 into 1 muffler. I am doing a 2 1/4" into the muffler and 3" out. After I run up/brake in the cam and motor do a few miles I will be adding an additional cross member for the skid plate. I have room for the cross member just behind the case and E-brake. I was going to use 1/2" aluminum but here in Billings I had a hard time finding it, so I am using 1/4" steel with a 1/4" peace of that plastic cutting board stuff over it:smokin: I am hoping to get it out and running this week seems work is getting in the way of my project.

Started putting together the exhaust tonight, I have seen the buffoons on TV do it, so I think how hard can it be. Stopped by the speed shop today and picked up two "U" shaped 2 1/2" exhaust pipes. I have 2 1/4 on the left side and thought with the radical bends on the right side the 1/2" would help the flow. I started with the chop saw and the 110 welder, chop and tack looks good so far, the right side will be way up beside the 5spd and cross over under the range box. I will be rapping the pipes with heat rap to help keep the boxes cool. I need to drop the front drive line again so i can get the pipes in and out for welding. I will snap a few pictures tomorrow as I get the welding done. Stopped by the cabinet shop and my plastic for the skid plate is not in yet. After the exhaust, I will need to mock up the skid plate and it will be mostly done, or at least ready for so shake down runs:smokin:

awesome, if you're able to get some video of the motor break in and the first run, I and I'm sure others would love to see it! Great job...

I will try the video think me and computers :homer: The exhaust is going well all that's left to do is the muffler and tail pipe. The buffoons on TV are better at the welding ~thin pipes~ than I am but I did get the hang of it and it looks good. I may be a little proud but the pipes are up high and the only issue I for see is hot floor boards. Here are a few pictures as you can see the pipes are well above the frame and will be above the skid plate:smokin: I have to work on the tail pipe, I may have the muffler have a turn down. I am looking at the rear axle travel and it looks like a bitch to get the tail pipe above the axle with the four link crap in the way.The tail pipe is three inches and fit will be hard anyway.......

Two more pictures on the first one you can see the exhaust well above the front out put of the transfer case (a little hard to see but look at the wrap. The second picture is where the muffler will attach two in one out.

Are you fabbing the exhaust yourself? If so, where are you sourcing the pipe?

The exhaust that was on the SSII was new so I am sectioning it back together. I picked up two mandrel bent "U" pieces from a local hot rod shop. I paid 20.00 a piece for the bends. I had the rest of the pipe from the old exhaust.

Fired the motor tonight, started the cam break in and had a over heat problem. shut it down after about 10 mins at 2000 Rpms, had air in the coolant system. The engine sounds good, letting it cool over night then will complete the break in tomorrow. I did shoot some videos, Will try to load them also:homer:

Cool. Looking good. :beer:

I'm wondering about this whole puddling issue. The only way I know that can happen is if the air speed is too low due to a large camshaft or if the intake manifold is poorly designed. So I don't get why a TBI would care if you have a 392, 472, or 502. Unless they were talking about the use of oversized injectors for a high RPM highpo engine not working well at low RPM's? Of course that that has nothing to do with a stockish 500 caddy. Chiscouter?

Took the Scout out for a spin today, way stupid crawl thing. In first gear, x-case in low low at 4000rpm the thing is still slower than a walk. Working on the skip plate and cleaning up a few loose ends. I will post up pictures and a wrap up after the Binder Bash. By the way who is going to Spokane for the Binder thing, I am thinking I will bring the SSII and Leona's Scout looking forward to some folks that don't look at the Scout like :homer: :eek:

Thanks for bringing the scouts over Robert. They are both very impressive. The pictures don't do them justice.:smokin:

awesome! I demand video!! If you can't figure it out maybe you've got a friend or family member that can help you? Soo...how's the motor feel, does it got some fuckin nuts? How's the idle, is it lopey? Damn...I really want to hear that bad boy and see the crawl ratio in double low like you describe, thats tits.

I really want to hear that bad boy and see the crawl ratio in double low like you describe, thats tits.I got to drive it at he bash.Stupid slow.As for the motor :eek:.Not dialed in quite yet.Nice truck though:smokin:

Got to see this beast up close at Binder Bash. Yea 375:1 may be a touch much for most wheeling, but i hear they have a canyon wall at the Grand Canyon that no one has quite made it over yet. Think its time for a road trip:smokin: Sweet ride Robert

Took the Scout out for a spin today, way stupid crawl thing. In first gear, x-case in low low at 4000rpm the thing is still slower than a walk.

awesome! I demand video!! If you can't figure it out maybe you've got a friend or family member that can help you? Soo...how's the motor feel, does it got some fuckin nuts? How's the idle, is it lopey? Damn...I really want to hear that bad boy and see the crawl ratio in double low like you describe, thats tits.

Try Here (http://www.tmcom.com/~tsm1/postnuke/index.php?module=mGallery2&g2_itemId=51181) for a "3g2" video from my phone.. not very exciting - it was slow going. I'll do some conversions on it later and maybe throw it to YouTube while I'm at it.

Try Here (http://www.tmcom.com/~tsm1/postnuke/index.php?module=mGallery2&g2_itemId=51181) for a "3g2" video from my phone.. not very exciting - it was slow going. I'll do some conversions on it later and maybe throw it to YouTube while I'm at it.

I did see any video :homer:

Try Here (http://www.tmcom.com/~tsm1/postnuke/index.php?module=mGallery2&g2_itemId=51181) for a "3g2" video from my phone.. not very exciting - it was slow going. I'll do some conversions on it later and maybe throw it to YouTube while I'm at it.


Hey the vid caption says slow obstacle corse. I know blades of grass can be challenging but......ummmmmm hahaha Yea about that......

Hey the vid caption says slow obstacle corse. I know blades of grass can be challenging but......ummmmmm hahaha Yea about that......

Yeah, I joked that it was a race to see if the grass would grow taller than the Scout before the Scout got to it.. it was like watching paint dry. :D

YouTube - 06 20 09 Robert "JetFxr" 375:1 SSII Slow Obstacle Course at the JustIh.org BinderBash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgL50qR7oEk)

YouTube - 06 20 09 Robert "JetFxr" 375:1 SSII Slow Obstacle Course at the JustIh.org BinderBash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgL50qR7oEk)

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Nevermind :)

It flexed pretty well on the ramp travel competetion.
http://www.justih.org/photopost/data/609/100_1136.JPG

He almost got beat by this guy though.:flipoff2:
http://www.justih.org/photopost/data/500/100_1134.JPG

Originally Posted by tsm1mt
Try Here for a "3g2" video from my phone.. not very exciting - it was slow going. I'll do some conversions on it later and maybe throw it to YouTube while I'm at it.


Hey the vid caption says slow obstacle corse. I know blades of grass can be challenging but......ummmmmm hahaha Yea about that......


Hey, it was a bitch to miss those cups, get board start chatting with the copilot, next think you know someones waking you up telling you it too late to make the turn.:flipoff2:

Had a chance to sort out the motor a little today, combo of issues. The thermostat housing was not tight enough so had a coolant leak there.(fixed) And the dipstick tube came out of the pan so oil was down about three quarts. I have remote filters so the motor normally runs 10qts so it was not a complete disaster but I will be looking at a better system, thinking about a sight gage kinda like an Atlas or a sight window like a CSD on a jet engine. So this can not happen again. I am planing to make the IHRMR so the plan is to get all the issues sorted out by then, and do some wheelin in Co :D

Now that's just funny!

Had a chance to sort out the motor a little today, combo of issues.
So push rods ok ?

I haven't pulled the valve covers yet but I'm 99% sure they are fine just need to replace a couple. I have a Nissan Patrol I am working on for a friend here in Billings. What a peace of chit that is, 1967 with 100lbs of extra wire. I am cleaning up his harness and gages so he can do the Montana Divide Ride. I will have it done this week and get the SSII sorted out for the IHRMR. Looking forward to seeing friends from that part of the country too. I really enjoyed the Just IH Show, I am thinking about joining so I could wheel with you guys a couple times a years:smokin:

I am thinking about joining so I could wheel with you guys a couple times a years:smokin:

No need to join to go wheelin,just watch the site for trips.You would be welcome anytime.I dont wheel with the Just IH guys much,hopefully that will change soon.Let me know if you ever head to Naches,its only about 2 hours from me.

If I remember right, Old Scout put a sight level on his oil pan.

I am planing to make the IHRMR so the plan is to get all the issues sorted out by then, and do some wheelin in Co :D

got dyslexia:p ? RMIHR

Plan on staying here at Cunning Hammer Forge and Orchard, with three spare rooms... oh wait, I had to sleep in the barn at your place, you can sleep in mine...

Nice build. Any chance you would have contact information to have more adapters built? Maybe they kept the specs.

Nice build. Any chance you would have contact information to have more adapters built? Maybe they kept the specs.

Do you mean for Duley's one-off T-35 to "round NP20x" adapter?

The spud shaft is stupid expensive, no true IH guy would buy it:eek: Jeff at IHON worked with Toby and has an adpt to use the NV4500 a much better choice for the Scout. You may be able to get ahold of Toby here or the BP his screen name is "Monkeyplasum" The other part is steel bearing retainers that will allow the mating of the case. In my case it is a 31 spline for a 205 Ford, tough was using 203/205 doubler, but that was a heavy pig and very long for a 100" wheel base Scout. Also with the T-35/203/205 in a Scout you will be adding 500+ pounds to an already heavy pig. I used the 4spd Atlas because it is shorter and way lighter, that said not to many IH guys will put out 3000+ thousand dollars for a transfer case.

How much is stupid expensive? Set-up cost is what kills you. If you can get people to go in on it,the set-up cost is shared by all and not so bad.I know two people that want to run T-34 and NP 205. There are probably others out there too. I will try contacting Toby as you suggested.

Well over what it would cost for a kit to install an NV4500 5spd, that is lighter, a very low first and OD also. This is a much better fit for a Scout that is going to be used. You need to call Jeff at IHON, he can fill you in on the best options. As far as IH five speed you would not be able to cheap out, and then after the conversion you will need, make clutch linkages, cross members, and you would need to fab up new drive lines (they also will need to be balanced) Bottom line it will be way cheaper to go with a proven kit. If you still really want to do the IH 5spd, I will sell you my set up for 8000, or 5000 without the transfer case, then I would do the NV4500 and the 4spd Atlas hell I might even go with the 727 I am told a well built auto is better for wheelin anyway.

Well crap, the long reply I typed is gone...I went looking for pictures to remind me of some details of this adapter...and closed tha page I was typing on...d'oh!

So, here's the short version...sorry.

Too much custom work and expense if you're not a machinist w/machinery and free materials at your disposal...and you can broach internal and external splines (!!) yourself. Then you're looking at probably $100.

If I had to do it again, I would expect it to cost me $900 to $1100, plus be a PITA.

I could buy a whole NV4500 and adapter for a little more than that: NV4500 prices in the classifieds have been dropping the last year or so.

Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking $900 to $1100 for one. Would that go down if you're making more than one? And does that include all the parts necessary to complete the marrying of the two cases? I'm doing research for A buddy and havn't had a chance to run the NV 4500 option by him yet. I'm just gathering information,the decision is his. I know what you mean about keeping the cost down when you have access to A shop. When I was working,My boss would let me make whatever I wanted on my own time. I miss that. Also,what do you mean by PITA.

Also,what do you mean by PITA.

Pain In The Ass