: Obama says "not seek assault weapons ban"


Gozuki
04-16-2009, 08:32 PM
Obama pledges help to slow US arms flow
By BEN FELLER – 1 hour ago

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Confronting a Mexican drug war that is "sowing chaos in our communities," President Barack Obama signaled Thursday he will not seek renewal of a U.S. assault weapons ban but instead will step up enforcement of laws banning the transfer of such guns across the border.

Obama had pledged during his campaign to seek renewal of the ban but has bowed to the reality that such a move would be unpopular in politically key U.S. states and among Republicans as well as some conservative Democrats.

Obama met with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who has been conducting an aggressive fight against drug cartels and had hoped to persuade Obama to push for reinstatement of the gun ban. Obama arrived here on the first stop of a trip that will take him to a weekend Summit of the Americas in Trinidad, bringing together the leaders of 34 Western Hemisphere democracies.

Allies in the fight against drugs, Obama and Calderon took different stands on U.S. sanctions against Cuba. Calderon said the 47-year-old U.S. trade embargo has not been successful in forcing Cuba to adopt democratic reforms.

"I share fully the idea we do not believe that the embargo or the isolation of Cuba is a good measure for things to change in Cuba," Calderon said. "On the contrary; the reality that we see there is that the reality has not changed."

Obama pointed to the announcement this week that the U.S. was softening sanctions, allowing Americans to make unlimited transfers of money and visits to relatives in Cuba. But he said Cuba needs to reciprocate with actions that are "grounded in respect for human rights."

Cuban President Raul Castro, attending meetings in Venezuela, said his government is willing to discuss "everything" with Washington — including human rights, political prisoners and freedom of the press — as long as the discussion is "on equal terms." He did not specifically mention Obama's comments.

Obama acknowledged that the United States shares responsibility for bloodshed and kidnappings in Mexico that have spilled across the border into the United States. "I will not pretend this is Mexico's responsibility alone," Obama said.

"We have a responsibility as well, we have to do our part," Obama said. He said the U.S. must crack down on domestic drug use and the flow of weapons into Mexico.

Obama also said the United States and Mexico must work together to stem the problem of illegal immigration. He said he favors a more orderly process for immigrants who want to come to the United States and a pathway to legalization for those already in the U.S. illegally.

"My country has been greatly enriched by immigrants from Mexico," he said.

The two leaders also pledged to cooperate on combatting global warming and the global recession.

The U.S. ban on military-style assault weapons became law during the Clinton administration in 1994 and contributed to the Democrats' loss of Congress that year. It expired under the Bush administration in 2004. It had outlawed 19 types of weapons, banned certain features on firearms such as bayonet mounts, and limited ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.

When Attorney General Eric Holder raised the idea of reinstituting the ban this year, opposition from Democrats and Republicans emerged quickly.

Calderon made more direction mention of the U.S. politics of the matter than Obama did.

"We know that it is a politically delicate topic because Americans truly appreciate their constitutional rights, and particularly those that are part of the Second Amendment," Calderon said.

Obama said he still believed that the ban "made sense" but pointedly added: "None of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy." He said he would focus instead on using existing laws to stop the flow of weapons to Mexico from the thousands of U.S. gun stores along the border.

"Now, are we going to eliminate all drug flows, are we going to eliminate all guns coming over the border?" Obama said. "That's not a realistic objective. What is a realistic objective is to reduce it so significantly, so drastically, that it becomes once again a localized criminal problem as opposed to a major structural problem that threatens stability in communities along those borders."

Obama also sought to put a focus on the more upbeat parts of the U.S.-Mexico relationship — such as shared commerce and culture — and not just the drug violence and immigration spats.

It was a theme he returned to on Thursday night at a dinner in his honor, held in an open-air courtyard of a Mexican museum.

"What makes us good neighbors is a simple truth, that our people share so much more than common challenges and common interests," Obama said. "We also share values and ideals."

Earlier, Calderon welcomed Obama to the presidential residence, Los Pinos, with an acknowledgment of the challenges: "My country is immersed in a historic transformation process. We live a robust democracy, which is also plural. We're also facing firmly the costs of the struggles in order to turn Mexico into a safer country."

Obama announced he would ask the Senate to ratify an inter-American weapons treaty meant to take on the bloody drug trade by restricting arms trafficking.

Just hours before Obama arrived in the country, a shootout between Mexican troops and a convoy of gunmen left 15 assailants and one soldier dead, Mexico's Defense Department said.

The Justice Department says Mexican drug trafficking organizations represent the greatest organized crime threat to the United States.

The Organization of American States adopted the weapons treaty in 1997 as a way to curtail dealing in illicit firearms throughout Latin America. Since then, 34 countries have signed the treaty, and 29 have ratified it. Former President Bill Clinton signed the treaty on Nov. 14, 1997, one day after it was endorsed by the OAS, but it was never acted on.

Calderon's aggressive stand against drug cartels has won him the aid of the United States and the prominent political backing of Obama.

Mexico is the main hub for cocaine and other drugs entering the U.S., and the United States is the primary source of guns used in Mexico's drug-related killings.

More than 10,000 people have been killed in Mexico in drug-related violence since Calderon's stepped-up effort against the cartels began in 2006. The State Department says contract killings and kidnappings on U.S. soil, carried out by Mexican drug cartels, are on the rise as well.

Obama has dispatched hundreds of federal agents, along with high-tech surveillance gear and drug-sniffing dogs, to the Southwest to help Mexico fight drug cartels, among many other steps aimed at addressing the escalating drug war

Gozuki
04-16-2009, 08:36 PM
from google news

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jolDvz-wgGMNcrez_pn8zfpAUwxwD97JUA582

FlexCJ5
04-17-2009, 07:40 AM
:fingers crossed:

Hopefully prices come down!

Toyoda
04-17-2009, 08:49 AM
no transfers across borders, how would that affect yalls that like to build from parts guns that come from over seas?

I hope things mellow out, I really want to stock up on primers.

Toyoda
04-17-2009, 08:49 AM
:fingers crossed:

Hopefully prices come down!

Im not going to hold my breath.

Gozuki
04-17-2009, 09:06 AM
no transfers across borders, how would that affect yalls that like to build from parts guns that come from over seas?

I hope things mellow out, I really want to stock up on primers.

I think they mean complete/perational guns, not parts. Anyway, that market has just about been shut down...

Scott@Rockstomper
04-17-2009, 09:09 AM
no transfers across borders, how would that affect yalls that like to build from parts guns that come from over seas?

With the recievers destroyed, the part that "is" a gun, is no longer, so they're just parts.

I'd sure like to see the barrel ban tossed, though. But even if the receivers and the barrels have to be destroyed, there's still a lot of good parts in a parts kit, just unfortunate that the two most difficult to make and/or most expensive parts in the kit show up in pieces.

Edit: Like Gozuki pointed out, though, most of us interested in parts kits, aren't any more, because the prices have climbed so high, and the availability sunk so low, that it's cheaper and easier to just build an AR.

ecvMatt
04-17-2009, 10:14 AM
CNN has this to say:

And the urban policy section of the White House Web site says Obama and Vice President Joe Biden "support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

Obama still supports reinstating the ban, as he did during the presidential campaign, but there are no plans to reintroduce it anytime soon, according to an administration official.

from:http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/obama.weapons/index.html?iref=newssearch

So, is he going to wait to see if gets reelected, then go through with the ban, when he doesn't have to campaign for a second term? Or just wait until more shit goes down that will "turn the public opinion" then ban?

I don't understand how he can say he is opposed to a ban, but not opposed to a ban.

Here is what whitehouse.gov says:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

C/K3500
04-17-2009, 10:45 AM
So, is he going to wait to see if gets reelected, then go through with the ban, when he doesn't have to campaign for a second term? Or just wait until more shit goes down that will "turn the public opinion" then ban?

I don't understand how he can say he is opposed to a ban, but not opposed to a ban.



After Universal Health Care!

Sully
04-17-2009, 11:11 AM
President Barack Obama signaled Thursday he will not seek renewal of a U.S. assault weapons ban

I don't believe a word he says. I think he is just already running for re-election and doesn't want to fight that battle yet.

but instead will step up enforcement of laws banning the transfer of such guns across the border.

I wonder what "common sense" regulations, registrations and other horseshit will be shoved down our throat in the name of preventing arms smuggling across the border.

Mexico is a chancre.

87manche
04-17-2009, 11:28 AM
I don't understand how he can say he is opposed to a ban, but not opposed to a ban.


Seems pretty simple to me.
He wants to pass a ban, the current political climate is keeping him from pressing the issue. He simply doesn't have enough support to get it done, so he's biding his time until he does.
Talking out of both sides of his mouth while he tries to keep everybody happy and distracted from his true intent.

Rat~Man
04-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Ya'll are seeing the propaganda machine in full nuke cycle. Once they feel they have turned public opinion enough to declare all weapons capable of firing more than a single bullet without reloading evil. then they will bring down a permanent AWB like one you have never dreamed of. Basically you can figure anything more lethal than a Red Ryder will be termed "assault" and the transfer and sale of will be banned. Face it guys, the days of the Second are numbered and odds are, in our lifetimes we will see something very much like Australia's gun ban.

Mexico is largely a toilet, most people close the door to the bathroom, when are we going to close the fucking border? :shaking: A big fucking fence seems a lot simpler.