Im looking at getting a 97' Powerstroke. My dads got a 92' 12 valve cummins. He says that the powerstroke is a terrible diesel and that cummins is the only true diesel. All his friends have told me that i should just go with cummins, but they never tell me why the powerstroke is shitty. Anyone have any thoughts to back this up or to go along with it? Just trying to get some opinions straight from the people that use them everyday. Thanks!

He says that the powerstroke is a terrible diesel

Ok, I'd never buy a Ford, but thats just because I don't like the looks of them much, but to say that a power stroke is a terrible engine is funny! I'd rather have a Cummins because I'd rather have a Dodge than a Ford, but even I know that Powerstrokes are great engines.. You're Pappa is prety much hard headed and wrong....;)

:deadhorse:

I feel the same as dog walker, except that I have a Ford and wouldn't buy a Dodge. My preference is based on the cab and chasis, not the engine. Both the Cummins and PSD have awesome power, mileage, and reliability. No matter which one people buy, they love it. So buy what you want, unless of course dad and his friends want to pitch in ..... :D

Ive had several dodge diesels all 12v motors. Some real fast and some real slow (stock). The last 12v 5 speed 4x4 I had, was a 98 dually with 128kmi. It was one of the most powerful stock trucks I have ever driven. The fuel gauge sucked, the infinity radio didn't work in FM mode, and the friken ABS light stayed on. Right now I have a 99.5 Super duty PSD 6 speed 4x4 with 75kmi. The turning radius sucks, the driver's seat is falling appart, the gear shifter knob has fallen off twice, the air bag light now comes on and stays on and the fit and finish sucks. Its not all bad news, I like the truck, it has good power (stock) and tows my junk just fine. Given a choice, I would go with another Dodge. Oh BTW, why jeepeater? Is it because jeeps are such bad ass rigs, that is the bench mark you are trying to convince us you reached?:flipoff2:

I have a 99 Ford F350 crew cab dually with the Power Stroke. It has awsome power. It pulls my dads 11,000 lb boat with ease. I personally think Dodges are hidious so every one has their own opinion. Get what you want and they are both great engines. ;)

hey, thanks for the response...i appreciate everyones input!

IMHO it comes down to the best deal. Look hard and buy low.

I am just waiting for a Toyota 1 ton diesel, till then I will drive my PSD I bought at 0%.

Toyota 1-ton diesel... good thing you have a reliable truck now, 'cuz it'll be a while! :D

In the ealier years, I'd get the Dodge... The 12v motor has TONS of easily unlocked power in it, and is stone-reliable. The truck that's wrapped around the engine, however... well...

If I had to get a '02, it would be the duramax...
'03? That new Dodge is tempting. I don't need 4 completely full-size doors, the interior is nicer (but still not as nice as the GMC), but then again, I drive a Cruiser, not a Jeep, so I'm kinda a sucker for the oddball.

The Cummins engine is far superior to the International engine in the fords. The Cummis has less moving parts, bigger connecting rods, bigger berrings and has a longer time to rebuild than the Ford motor. My Dad has had two Dodges, one 92 and one 98.5. Both have been very good trucks, the 92 is still running and has 130K on it. Still gets 20 mpg and shows no sign of dieing. The 98.5 has almost 100 K on it and still runs fine. The body and interior are still like new (except for coffee stains, etc). I have a 2001 Dodge that does not have enough miles on it to comment, but I can say that I have only been to the dealer once and that was for a computer reflash. I have chosen to modify my truck and it is now putting out approx 450 hp/900 tq to the ground. Its not set up to tow, but I could change a few things and this truck could two with 400 hp.

Originally posted by JR2
The Cummins engine is far superior to the International engine in the fords. The Cummis has less moving parts, bigger connecting rods, bigger berrings and has a longer time to rebuild than the Ford motor.

Ok, I would HOPE a 6 cylinder would have fewer moving parts than an 8, whats your point???

Show me a MV/T444/PS/6.9/7.3 with failed connecting rods. I can show you a pile of grenaded 6B rods.

Longer rebuild time??? I've seen dozens of those motors go 250,000 plus miles in medium duty trucks, trucks that tare more then you'll ever gross.

i think he meant life-to overhaul. powerstrokes make decent numbers but cant handle being turned up powerwise too much. they are not rated as a medium heavy duty diesel engine like the 5.9 the cummins is a tried an true engine. built in piston cooling nozzles, oilcooler, humongous rods and bearings and lastly almost a 5" stroke. what does the powerstroke have for stroke? i know it aint close to the cummins. the 6 cylinder design offers more efficiency. i guy know has several 2000 and newer f 350s with cummins 5.9s in them. why? powerstokes cranks are breaking left and right. he pulls backhoes and real heavy equipment. these wernt stock powerstrokes either. bottom line V8 diesels suck. anybody that thinks otherwise is ignorant. they should put dt466's in f 350s those things rock!:flipoff2: oh yah post some pics of disentegrated cummins rods please id love to see em. check out www.fordcummins.com the proper way to build a ford!:flipoff2:

PSD and Cummins are both good engines. Personal perference toward the Cummins for durability. Cummins is better for bombing. Not too many PSD motors will stay together when they're over 500 HP. Many Cummins are at 600+ HP and staying together.

Check out www. turbodieselregister.com if you want more info. on the Cummins.

Charles

I think for what MOST people use their truck for, you can't go wrong with either. Just pick one. Both are proven, both will do the job. It's all up to personal preference after that.


If I had the $$$ I'd put the cummins in a CC Ford and call it done. That would be my ideal truck.

Longer rebuild time??? I've seen dozens of those motors go 250,000 plus miles in medium duty trucks, trucks that tare more then you'll ever gross.

In late 1998 I sold a 94 Ram 5 Speed CTD with 475 thousand miles. To date the truck has 750 thousand miles. The injection pump was replaced at 350,000 my bad (never used fuel conditioner), and the NV4500 has been fixed (5 gear) 3 times. This truck is constantly hauling about 8k lbs. The engine is still strong, so how long will it go? :flipoff2: I hope I have the same luck with my PSD.

[To date the truck has 750 thousand miles. The injection pump was replaced at 350,000 my bad (never used fuel conditioner),

750k....I never heard of a PSD going this high, even highway car hauler dudes.

02 PSD

i used to work at cummins. i personally saw several car hauler guys with hi-mileage dodges. one had close to 600,000 and had a new head gasket installed. old one eroded. you could still see the crosshatch in the cylinders. the others were in the 400,000 range.

400K to 600K miles on a Cummins is not big news. They've been doing this for a very long time. The very ridgid design of the I6 and having more bearing surface area than any V8 engine, and big a$$ connecting rod and crank leads to long service life.

For raw grunt, you will not beat an inline 6 motor. The majority of the OTR trucks have inline motors for the very reason. Also, makes it easy to turbo charge too.

Charles

750k....I never heard of a PSD going this high, even highway car hauler dudes.

You are friken kidding me, right?:eek:

I think the coolest thing about the Cummins is that it's a real diesel engine that they wrapped a pickup truck around. The V8s have no other application than a pickup truck.

If it can be used in industial applications, I shouldn't be able to break it. :D

Bryan

Also, remember you can get a Cummins or a CAT as an option on the larger Ford F650 and F750 trucks. The 7.3 liter PSD is the "standard" motor. Just why would Ford be offering a Cummins or a CAT as an option? Do they know something we don't know?????

CK

Originally posted by Oxjockey
I think the coolest thing about the Cummins is that it's a real diesel engine that they wrapped a pickup truck around. The V8s have no other application than a pickup truck.

If it can be used in industial applications, I shouldn't be able to break it. :D

Bryan

Um, where do I start.

International Harvester S-series trucks
International 4700 trucks
International 7400s
Assorted air compressors, power units, and pumps.

the PS ISN'T a verdamnent automotive motor!!!

They all use that Navistar motor? :confused: I mean, I know they make other diesels...

Bryan

yep
the old PS is a clone of the T444E International medium truck motor.
The new PS is a clone of the VT365 medium duty motor.

and, yep, you can get a 444/365 in industrial apps too. Not the most common, cause you rarely need the power these motors develop, but you can order them.

CHECK OUT WWW.TURBODIESELREGISTER.COM FOR A MILLION MILE CUMMINS POWERED DODGE THAT WAS USED FOR HOTSHOT PULLING, JUST DO A SEARCH OVER THERE!!!!!!!!!!! AND YES FORD DOES KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT DIESELS OR THEY WOULD NOT BE PUTTING A CUMMINS IN THEIR HD TRUCKS. TRUCKS RATED FOR TWICE WHAT A DODGE/CTD IS RATED FOR AND AVAILABLE IN A 3/4-1 TON PACKAGE!!!!!!!!!!
OOPS....... SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.

Originally posted by Oxjockey
They all use that Navistar motor? :confused: I mean, I know they make other diesels...

Bryan

Yes they do. The injection systems and exhaust have slight differences, but B-Cummins used in industrial/medium duty trucks are not exactly the same as the Dodge pickup either.

For you all mentioning the Cummins and Cat offered in the F650 and up.... it's not quite the same as the B Cummins in the Dodge pickup. The Cat 3126 is in a class all by itself! And why is it that Dodge doesn't offer something even close to the same class as the F450/550/650/750 series'? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by cmegoup

And why is it that Dodge doesn't offer something even close to the same class as the F450/550/650/750 series'? :flipoff2:

I've given up trying to figure out why they offer what they do. The 3/4 ton has the same drivetrain as the 1 ton, but one less wheel, 3k less GVWR. Nothing like a 450/550 Superduty, etc, no FS SUV... IIRC I saw a 450 type vehicle in Mexico in 96. Awesome tall grill, fairly big. Never saw anything like it! (Or since)

Bryan

The Cummins in the F650 and F750 are turned up for more power.

The engine in the Dodge trucks are de-tuned for EPA and driveline weakness issues. I don't think any automatic or NV5600 manual transmission is going to hold up to 1200 ft/lbs of torque over the long haul.

Yes, Ford knows something about diesels. Just why do you think Ford would offer a Cummins or a CAT diesel as an option in their
F650 and F750 trucks??????

Charles

Dodge does not offer an the bigger truck styles (F450-660 etc) because they own Freightliner and don't want to compete with them for sales. If you want a real tow vechicle (and have 90 grand laying around) get a FL-70 with a Cummins and call it good.

IMHO the cummins is the better engine of the two, but the ford is the better truck..Now that's not to say the PSD isn't a strong motor. I watched my buddy pull a dump loaded w/ logs sideways up a hill to get him unstuck w/ a PSD.

If it were me I'd go w/ the ford....but to each his own:flipoff2:

Well I just got my 2003 PSD, crew, 4x4 shortbed and I love the thing. I drove all 3, The argument will continue regardless of my opinion. Buy what feels right to you. I choose the Ford because the PSD has proved itself for quite a while now. The cummins is an awsome motor I just dont like the truck they put it in. I wanted a Crew Cab. They GM has more luxury features on the interior but when I test drove both Lifted and stock Ford and GM Crew 4x4 diesels the FORD with 525 Ft LBS of Torque kicked ass. Plus it felt a lot more solid on the road. I'm really happy with my choice.

Cant wait to put the Jeep on the trailer and head to the hills.

BlueYJ

I was in the same boat, The dodge is a nice truck dont get me wrong.

I test drove them all,

Chevy Ford Dodge, Long beds, shortbeds, extracabs, crew cabs etc..

ITs all a matter of preference.. The Ford had a better fit and finish and was a better feeling truck to me.

I ended up wth a 02 psd crewcab f350 6 speed..

I hauled a waggoneer from arnold down to antioch this weekend, 65, 75 wasnt a problem.. I even for got it was there at one point..

Without a doubt Cummins. I chose my truck on the motor and drivetrain, I really like the dodge truck too, no frills. Too much comfort and you probably wouldn't even hear the turbo! My truck doesn't even have carpet...vinyl all the way!

Someone has got to have the picture of a cummins connecting rod, powerjoke rod and the 6.2 chevy....post it!

As they say...I'd rather be cummin' than strokin'....(sorry couldn't resist, I know it's bad).

CJ

I have owned both the Ford Power Choke and the Dodge Cummins and the Dodge V10. The ford was not as good as I had hoped. It ran strong but It was always in the shop. Every month somthing would go wrong with it, electrical, tranny( acouple times), injector pump, cooling system, rear diff...it was a night mare...my friend also had the same problem, he owned his Ford for 8 months and 4 moths of that 8 monts it was a the dealer for warrenty work. So I sold min and got a Dodge. All I ever replaced on the Dodge was one clutch after 167,000 miles. Now at 250,000 we are still going strong.

Also if you arn't worried about gas try one of the V10's THey can really haul alot!

See this is the thing. I can show you trucks made by all three manufacturers that have tons of miles and people that have no problems with them. Then there are the owners of each brand that will tell you horror stories. There is an ass for every seat. BUY what fits your ass the best. :flipoff2:

BlueYJ:cool2:

Originally posted by CJ Lagos
Without a doubt Cummins. I chose my truck on the motor and drivetrain, I really like the dodge truck too, no frills. Too much comfort and you probably wouldn't even hear the turbo! My truck doesn't even have carpet...vinyl all the way!

Someone has got to have the picture of a cummins connecting rod, powerjoke rod and the 6.2 chevy....post it!

CJ


Ya mean this picture?:D

http://www.fordcummins.com/images/rodcomparison.jpg

Me and Lump have this same debate a lot, he is a stroker and I love that Cummins. Personal opinion? I bought a Cummins that happens to have a Dodge keeping it out of the dirt. I will say this, in stock form he went up Black Mt about 8 mph faster than me but, got around 10-11 mpg vs my 16-17. you run one a lot and the fuel saving will almost pay the note. I converted my hauler to 5spd and now get 17 loaded (about 13K), 100k and no issues with the mill at all. I've worked on a few strokes and man, what a pain to work on, want to feel like a contortionist? Try pulling the turbo off one of these. Not to mention the cummins can respond cheaply to hp and torque upgrades that will scare the stroke. How about 150k, 525 hp, 1237 ft lbs RW at a cost of under $1500.00. You cant get injectors for a stroke for that. Much less get it into 4 figures in the torque dept.

I'll keep running the Cummins. I saw a neat sig once "I'd rather be cummin than strokin'" LOL


Joe

My next 1 ton will be a 74-74 IH travelette dually with a 3126B Cat. with Big GM discs all around and on air bags basically a smaller version of my big truck

Ok the cummins has about 40% less moveing parts which means a longer life. And the cummins is also more sutiable to be built up But there is one problem the rest of the dodge as in the tranny cant handle the extra power. Ive know a couple people that have blown there tranny. As for ford thats probly the way im going to go. You can hardly find a dodge for cheap thats still in good condition. Ford has been building these things for a long time and have been a big seller unlike the older dodges (which is the only thing i can afford) As for the chevy- isuzu engions are acully pretty good. Finaly chevy builds a good desiel engion too bad the rest the truck sucks. I cant think of an stupider looking truck. They have a stock 2 inch body lift. OK body lifts suck! They dont even try to hide the fact that it has a huge body lift eather. The front bumper is huge. Go wtih cummins or ford they are bolth great trucks!

The PowerChoke is a good Engine, but the Cummins is a Great Engine... Just think about it for a sec. the Cummins is smaller displacement than the PowerChoke and still has just as much power and torqe...(no mater what ford says :flipoff2:) with better Fuel economy:eek: than the PowerChoke... On the other side the PowerChoke is Quieter than the Cummins if thats what maters to You:flipoff2: , Personaly I like the sound of mine and wouldn't Trade that Sound for anything
:p This has been debated so many times its not even funny... I pesonally think this picture says it all... http://www.fordcummins.com/images/rodcomparison.jpg :flipoff2:

Yeah but for a poor bastarded like me i need a powerchoke so i can tow without fear of being over loaded. But heck if you want to let me have your dodge i would love to have it. Im sure my 88 BII would make a good trade??

Originally posted by rocktop
The PowerChoke is a good Engine, but the Cummins is a Great Engine... Just think about it for a sec. the Cummins is smaller displacement than the PowerChoke and still has just as much power and torqe...(no mater what ford says :flipoff2:) with better Fuel economy:eek: than the PowerChoke..
:p This has been debated so many times its not even funny...

Ok, just to toss this out.

EVERY PS has been detuned by Ford, to save transmissions. In full mechanical balls to the walls form (no tricky stuff) , the PS and the Cummins are nearly identical in terms of torque curve and fuel consumption.

The new PS would be capable of 750 ft-lbs, but Ford can't find a tranny to back it.

Matt

Mebbe they all need a lesson from GM, ALLISON!

BTW, the 47 in the dodges can be "upgraded" to handle 1200 max input torque. The damn converter and low line pressure are the biggest issues to address.




Joe

The NV4500 and NV5600 hold up very well behind the cummins motors, even when turned up. There are some issues with the 4500 and the 5th gear nut and all that but the problems are predictable and somewhat easy to fix.

CJ

Time for this Thread to Die:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

Ford auto and DC autos pretty much suck in stock form. I've heard about the same level of failures for both. GM Allison's are getting replaced frequently right now too.

Cummins is heavily de-tuned for emmission reasons also. The difference being that a Cummins will stay together at 600 HP sustained where a Powerstroke lower end will fail. 2000 and newer powerstrokes have powdered connecting rods which are weak compared to plain old cast.

Get a manual if you want to tow some big loads. Get an auto if you want to drag race because a manual will never be as fast as an auto due to losing turbo boost pressure between shifts.

Look at the pics of the connecting rods above. Cummins has a longer stroke which equals more torque. More total bearing surface area on the crankshaft with only 6 cylinders compared to 8.

Regardless of what Ford or GM has, I'll keep my lowly 6 cylinder... :D :D :D

Charles

We compare the connecting rods as a end all determination of strength but since the stroke and the cummins put out relatively the same amount of power/torque wouldn't the rod need to be larger since the same amount of power is spread over two less cylinders?
Maybe not such a good comparison:flipoff2:

Originally posted by 40-O
We compare the connecting rods as a end all determination of strength but since the stroke and the cummins put out relatively the same amount of power/torque wouldn't the rod need to be larger since the same amount of power is spread over two less cylinders?
Maybe not such a good comparison:flipoff2:

It is a good comp. The cummins is way more than twice the size of the PS, Buy your math that sill would be stronger compaired to the PowerChoke not to mention that just shows one part of the engine, the rest is also just as well built:flipoff2:

Originally posted by CSP


Yes they do. The injection systems and exhaust have slight differences, but B-Cummins used in industrial/medium duty trucks are not exactly the same as the Dodge pickup either.



Yeah, the Dodge is detuned. Otherwise it's pretty much the same.

Bob
63DTG

Originally posted by That Mick


Ok, just to toss this out. EVERY PS has been detuned by Ford, to save transmissions. In full mechanical balls to the walls form (no tricky stuff) , the PS and the Cummins are nearly identical in terms of torque curve and fuel consumption.

Ok lets say the PS and Cummins are a match for power when both hopped up.

When you are cranking out 700HP and 1200 ft lbs which rods would you want in your motor and which do you think would handle that "extra" power for a longer time? Damn... look at the size of the wristpin bores on the Cummins rods!

http://www.fordcummins.com/images/rodcomparison.jpg

One thing that really helped swing me to the Dodge over the Ford was just opening the hoods of both truck. The Ford looks like a plumbers nightmare... The turbo is mounted in the center of the engine with pipes going over both valve covers. Heat soak in that motor has to be incredible.

The Dodge on the other hand has nothing but room under the hood. That I6 is layed out beautifully. Super easy to access everything!

I was never a Dodge truck person until Igot in the market for a Diesel rig to tow my Explorer. Most of the guys on my Ford Explorer website call me a trailor for going over to the "Dark Side", but I feel I have "Seen the Light"!

As for the comments of finding a trans to standup to either the powerstroke or the cummins I've heard of people having problems with the allison aswell. Can anyone conferm this?

I say a manual is the only way to go. All I have to say is I'm glad I bought my Dodge with the cummins..............just my $.02

My friend has a Duramax in a 3500 he uses for his landscaping business. He has been through 2 trannys and 1 turbo :rolleyes:

Most likely just teething pains with a brand new engine trany combo, but the "big deal" was supposed to be the relaibility of the Isuzu diesel and the Allison tranny.

He's not the only one I have heard of with problems, just the only one I know personally. Knowing him, I truly believe they were defective parts and not operator error of any kind.

Originally posted by Explorer


Ok lets say the PS and Cummins are a match for power when both hopped up.

When you are cranking out 700HP and 1200 ft lbs which rods would you want in your motor and which do you think would handle that "extra" power for a longer time? Damn... look at the size of the wristpin bores on the Cummins rods!

http://www.fordcummins.com/images/rodcomparison.jpg

One thing that really helped swing me to the Dodge over the Ford was just opening the hoods of both truck. The Ford looks like a plumbers nightmare... The turbo is mounted in the center of the engine with pipes going over both valve covers. Heat soak in that motor has to be incredible.

The Dodge on the other hand has nothing but room under the hood. That I6 is layed out beautifully. Super easy to access everything!

I was never a Dodge truck person until Igot in the market for a Diesel rig to tow my Explorer. Most of the guys on my Ford Explorer website call me a trailor for going over to the "Dark Side", but I feel I have "Seen the Light"!


I agree 100%:D

You guys are talking about putting allot more on these trucks than 90% of people do. I have a 02 powerstroke, it is my fourth one. I have had the cummins also- good pulling motor but nothing special just running around. Ford saw a market for a diesel that ran like a big block gas engine and it took off, it turns up quicker and is a great all around motor. Sure if your gonna buy a new truck and try to get those kind of hp levels maybe dodge I don't know but for the everday guy I see allot more fords pulling than dodges. Everybody has there own opinion and different needs. Personally I would go Ford. Stay away from the Duramax.

Originally posted by COFFEY
You guys are talking about putting allot more on these trucks than 90% of people do. I have a 02 powerstroke, it is my fourth one. I have had the cummins also- good pulling motor but nothing special just running around. Ford saw a market for a diesel that ran like a big block gas engine and it took off, it turns up quicker and is a great all around motor. Sure if your gonna buy a new truck and try to get those kind of hp levels maybe dodge I don't know but for the everday guy I see allot more fords pulling than dodges. Everybody has there own opinion and different needs. Personally I would go Ford. Stay away from the Duramax.

Yup... your right... you want a truck to do more than get groceries... get Dodge.

Otherwise... Ford will do fine.


:flipoff2:
;)

Originally posted by Travis Waldher


Yup... your right... you want a truck to do more than get groceries... get Dodge.

Otherwise... Ford will do fine.


:flipoff2:
;)

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Whell i think the only thing that we have all agreed on is the chevy SUCKS!! i just went to the dark side and got a dodge. Only because of the cummings. I am still in love with ford but thats my trail rig, as for my tow rig dodge is my choice. Ford is still a good truck too. And i guess we need chevy to make us all feel better about are trucks!

Rockcrawler_101,
You might want to consider staying in collage (college). I thought I was a shitty speller.:flipoff2:

CUMMINGS eh did ya swap that in there im sure a Cummins would have been a better choice :rolleyes:

So your saying that a Stock Dodge lets say 3/4 ton would out run a stock Ford 3/4 ton, sorry I don't think so I would be looking back in my rear view at ya. The powerstoke turns up so much quicker. I know from experience. Sure I have had my butt chapped by a dodge that was modified and another ford that was modified. What I am saying is I use the the sh#$ out of my truck pulling a backhoe, my truck, and going to horse shows it is more than enough motor and is for most people. I don't see any need it turning mine up, the only reasoning I have heard from you all is dodge if your gonna turn it up to get more hp and torque, the levels you all are talking about sounds to me like you need to step up to 2ton or bigger for that kind of loads. I know with 500hp I could pull a load allot bigger than my truck would ever be able to handle. Why?

Originally posted by COFFEY
So your saying that a Stock Dodge lets say 3/4 ton would out run a stock Ford 3/4 ton, sorry I don't think so I would be looking back in my rear view at ya. The powerstoke turns up so much quicker. I know from experience. Sure I have had my butt chapped by a dodge that was modified and another ford that was modified. What I am saying is I use the the sh#$ out of my truck pulling a backhoe, my truck, and going to horse shows it is more than enough motor and is for most people. I don't see any need it turning mine up, the only reasoning I have heard from you all is dodge if your gonna turn it up to get more hp and torque, the levels you all are talking about sounds to me like you need to step up to 2ton or bigger for that kind of loads. I know with 500hp I could pull a load allot bigger than my truck would ever be able to handle. Why?

I don't get your point...:confused: if you want something that will do a 10sec quarter mile then get a gas truck... if you want to tow with your truck get a Cummins... I don't care what truck you put it in:flipoff2:

Originally posted by COFFEY
So your saying that a Stock Dodge lets say 3/4 ton would out run a stock Ford 3/4 ton, sorry I don't think so I would be looking back in my rear view at ya. The powerstoke turns up so much quicker. I know from experience.

Sure, the PS might be faster (considering both are stock) hot rodding around town. BUT, the difference shows when you actually use the truck for what it's for and hook up a heavy trailer to both and race them up a hill.;)

I use my truck as my DD and it tows my 12K lbs of gooseneck trailer, jeep, camper, dirt bikes, generator, etc. The best feeling of all is dragging all that crap up a hill and nodding to a Furd PS driver as I pass!:flipoff2: I'm amazed at what that little 5.9 can do!

To sum all this up, the Cummins is the real choice for heavy hauling, easiest & cheapest bombing, fuel mileage, reliability, longest lasting. I used to be a die-hard Chevy man, then I saw the light (or is it the dark side?).:D

Oh im sorry that i dont give a shit about what i spell. Sorry again. i guess i will have to hit spell check everytime befor i submit something. Just thought people came here for the info not to spell check everyone! and i did fix my college thing thanks, didnt even notice (not that i would have know how to spell right)

Ok, I'll chime in.


250hp, 900 lb/ft , pulls like a raped ape, cost $400.00 to get there from stock.

PSD's get passed, duramax's get passed.

One word of warning tho, watch those temps. I can pull 15k up 321N into Blowing rock at 50 to 70 depending on the turns but, it'll get damn hot quick.

The stroke is ok box stock but, dosen't respond to bombing well and it'll break your heart to know that a set of injectors are 1200.00 and you'll get about 100 more RWHP, not to mention you damn near gotta be a contortionist to work on the PSD. (only easy thing is the fuel filter, you gotta have a 4 joint elbow to do the cummins)

The stroke makes its power way up high 2200 to 3000 where as the cummins makes its power down low, 1500 to 2200. Not to mention I've seen the dyno numbers with my own eyes of 1000 to 1300 ft/lbs of torque and 500 + h/p out of the cummins engines and never heard of a 7.3 making those numbers. (altough I'm sure they are out there)

I'll stay with the 5.9 mills and pass the psd'a both on the hills and at the fuel pumps.


Joe

Originally posted by Rocktoyo


The stroke makes its power way up high 2200 to 3000 where as the cummins makes its power down low, 1500 to 2200. Not to mention I've seen the dyno numbers with my own eyes of 1000 to 1300 ft/lbs of torque and 500 + h/p out of the cummins engines and never heard of a 7.3 making those numbers. (altough I'm sure they are out there)

I'll stay with the 5.9 mills and pass the psd'a both on the hills and at the fuel pumps.


Joe

There are Cummins B's making over 700HP publicly. Then there are some with who knows what, keeping it secret. This summer, I went to two all-diesel truck events and was impressed with the dyno numbers of the Cummins over the Ford (not worth mentioning the couple GM's). Also the pulls - there is no comparison. If you ever get the chance, an all-diesel truck pull is something to see. These bad boys are putting 1000, 1200, even 1300 lb. ft. to the ground. They pull the sled and then they drive the same truck home, which is sometimes across the country. A little different than the gas pullers.:cool:

I've spent $150 on a turbo housing, done the pump tweaks myself and dynoed at 60% more HP than stock and 50% more torque than stock. MPG stayed the same! Pretty good bang for the buck.:cool:

Originally posted by Rockcrawler_101
Oh im sorry that i dont give a shit about what i spell. Sorry again. i guess i will have to hit spell check everytime befor i submit something. Just thought people came here for the info not to spell check everyone! and i did fix my college thing thanks, didnt even notice (not that i would have know how to spell right)

I have no trouble reading your posts.... must be a genitic thing:D
JUST GET A CUMMINS OK,

I cant believe this post is still around. One last word from me, I just came out of the mountains pulling 12k of rock on my flat bed trailer in my new 2003 Powerstroke, what an awsome frigen truck this has turned out to be. Stock as a rock and I just cant believe the power it produces, and at 55-60 mph when I put my foot into it the response is unfrigen believable. My buddies cummins doesnt hold a candle to it. Both are stock, and I will be damed if I am going to wait until I have two football fields worth of space to try to pass someone like it takes in a stock cummins. No need to buy a cummins just so you can spend a bunch of money on performance parts to be able to do what my powerstoke does stock. Get what fits your ass, but dont get a duramax that is one I agree with. All shit tossing aside I dont think you could go wrong with either the cummins or the PS. I just know what I have seen when both these trucks have had loads on them. I will hands down continue to appreciate the fact I got the PS.

BlueYJ

Stock to stock, a PSD will not have more torque than a HO Cummins motor. Go dyno your truck and see just how much torque you're putting out at the rear wheels.

If you want to do some bombing, then the Cummins is even better, cost less per hp, and will stay together at 600 HP. PSD lower ends will not stay together at 500 HP and no chance in hell of getting to 600 HP without drugs.

My cummins will pull just fine and with the mods, don't ever have to worry about getting passed towing uphill.

CK

Originally posted by That Mick

I've seen dozens of those motors go 250,000 plus miles in medium duty trucks, trucks that tare more then you'll ever gross.

yeh in medium duty trucks the engine if fine but the one there using in ford truck is so badely de-tuned so the truck could handel it, it makes for a shity motor

hello i am a core buyer i buy blowned up engines and sell to rebuilders and have been one for 15 years as a major buyer in my area i have had at least 100 plus blown up 6.9 7.3 7,3 turbe 7.3 ps from all over the state in my years i have had maybe 5 5.9 cummins no joke i have no reason to lie i just had a 2004 6.0 that smoked the inj twice in a month leading to burnt pistons and a 2006 with the same thats in the last month i had one 5.9 this year from a shop that did a replace from a accident that tore a hole in the oil pan and the thing still ran almost a 100 miles losing oil till he shut it off and it siezed up and that was it one 24 valve that stuck a ring under warrenty and it was replaced and it ran just bad real bad i think there are plenty more fords that might lead to the wide gap in how many i get it just seems strange i see alot more international diesels dead than the cummins as far as i can see and the ford trans are 100% junk there e4od was at best scrap alum from the start ther 4r100 was a step in some direction and the 5r100w who knows i have had two in the past few weeks i have a 454 gas chevy 3500 hd with 300.000 i haul 10.000 to 15.000 ever week it weighs in at 10.000 with out a thing in its bed i have changed the oil twice in the 10 years i have had it and i run it like i stole it every day

hello i am a core buyer i buy blowned up engines and sell to rebuilders and have been one for 15 years as a major buyer in my area i have had at least 100 plus blown up 6.9 7.3 7,3 turbe 7.3 ps from all over the state in my years i have had maybe 5 5.9 cummins no joke i have no reason to lie i just had a 2004 6.0 that smoked the inj twice in a month leading to burnt pistons and a 2006 with the same thats in the last month i had one 5.9 this year from a shop that did a replace from a accident that tore a hole in the oil pan and the thing still ran almost a 100 miles losing oil till he shut it off and it siezed up and that was it one 24 valve that stuck a ring under warrenty and it was replaced and it ran just bad real bad i think there are plenty more fords that might lead to the wide gap in how many i get it just seems strange i see alot more international diesels dead than the cummins as far as i can see and the ford trans are 100% junk there e4od was at best scrap alum from the start ther 4r100 was a step in some direction and the 5r100w who knows i have had two in the past few weeks i have a 454 gas chevy 3500 hd with 300.000 i haul 10.000 to 15.000 ever week it weighs in at 10.000 with out a thing in its bed i have changed the oil twice in the 10 years i have had it and i run it like i stole it every day

hello i am a core buyer i buy blowned up engines and sell to rebuilders and have been one for 15 years as a major buyer in my area i have had at least 100 plus blown up 6.9 7.3 7,3 turbe 7.3 ps from all over the state in my years i have had maybe 5 5.9 cummins no joke i have no reason to lie i just had a 2004 6.0 that smoked the inj twice in a month leading to burnt pistons and a 2006 with the same thats in the last month i had one 5.9 this year from a shop that did a replace from a accident that tore a hole in the oil pan and the thing still ran almost a 100 miles losing oil till he shut it off and it siezed up and that was it one 24 valve that stuck a ring under warrenty and it was replaced and it ran just bad real bad i think there are plenty more fords that might lead to the wide gap in how many i get it just seems strange i see alot more international diesels dead than the cummins as far as i can see and the ford trans are 100% junk there e4od was at best scrap alum from the start ther 4r100 was a step in some direction and the 5r100w who knows i have had two in the past few weeks i have a 454 gas chevy 3500 hd with 300.000 i haul 10.000 to 15.000 ever week it weighs in at 10.000 with out a thing in its bed i have changed the oil twice in the 10 years i have had it and i run it like i stole it every day

Interesting info.. What do you say to ford guys that say they experience more engine failures because there are more of them out there? Does ford outsell dodge diesel by 100X?

where do these trolls come from... I mean, to register here, only to dig up a 5 year old thread, filled with zero tech, and three pages of bullshit.... And then post 4 paragraphs worth of run-on sentence, in a language that somewhat resembles broken english... I just don't get it.. ? :confused: