Anybody have any comparison pics of 2.5-ton vs. 5-ton ujoints/shafts? What's the weight diff? Any sites with detailed specs would be great. Had decided on 2.5-ton stuff but may be changing my mind. BTW, I did check the archives already but couldn't find exactly what I need. Thanks.
Chris

Cant give you exact numbers, but I do know that a 5 ton axle weight a WHOLE LOT more than a 2.5 ton axle. And the 3rd member is HUGE; quite a bit bigger than the 2.5 ton axles.

Why would you need a 5 ton axle anyway?

Sean

ohhh man. Don't even go there, dude. 5 tons are strictly for monster trucks.

You could just about double the weight of a rig by adding 5 tons. LOL

They really are huge. I have seen a stack of them 4 high by maybe, 20 long. That was an incredibly large stack, let me tell you.

Not really trail rig material.

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
ohhh man. Don't even go there, dude. 5 tons are strictly for monster trucks.

And only OLD SCHOOL monster trucks at that. You know that if they are too heavy for a 10,000# vehicle, that they are too heavy for a trail machine.

Sean

That's right, the monsters are using ZF axles now

Actually, the housings and hubs are too weak for monster trucks; The center sections are still used. If a guy wanted to run 66x44" Goodyears, then 5 tons would be the way to go... Forget carrying a fullsize spare though... The only foreseeable advantage would be a low roll center/half your vehicle weight being unsprung... For 5 tons you'd need at least a 20" rim, and getting boggers for something that big is a pain in the nutz. There's not many pliable tires out there that'll be good for wheeling while underneath a pickup..

Of course, if you're looking for high-zoot and no broken axle shafts, get em.

Not a very good picture but shows a 5 ton and a Dana 60

2 1/2 ton and Dana 60

Originally posted by MR4WD
Actually, the housings and hubs are too weak for monster trucks; The center sections are still used. If a guy wanted to run 66x44" Goodyears, then 5 tons would be the way to go... Forget carrying a fullsize spare though... The only foreseeable advantage would be a low roll center/half your vehicle weight being unsprung... For 5 tons you'd need at least a 20" rim, and getting boggers for something that big is a pain in the nutz. There's not many pliable tires out there that'll be good for wheeling while underneath a pickup..

Of course, if you're looking for high-zoot and no broken axle shafts, get em.

All of the new monster trucks that I see that are running 66x44's are running ZF axles as reddwarf said.

Sean

Originally posted by Station


All of the new monster trucks that I see that are running 66x44's are running ZF axles as reddwarf said.

Sean



Sorry to change the subject but what are ZF axles?


:)

Originally posted by liveaxle




Sorry to change the subject but what are ZF axles?


:)

ZF is a german manufacturer of equipment/components. I would do a search for you tto find there website, but I am tired, and about to go to sleep. They make some pretty sweet stuff though.

Sean

2.5 = riduculous
5 = stupid

Originally posted by Station


All of the new monster trucks that I see that are running 66x44's are running ZF axles as reddwarf said.

Sean

So? What does that mean to me?

I saw a cloud shaped like a Bic lighter today. My friend will back me up on that. Does that mean that all clouds are shaped like bic lighters??

Edit: Go here http://www.truckworld.com/Monster-Trucks/Monsters-Monthly/2000-may/monster-tech1.html

and ZF is here. http://www.zf.com that site is about as much fun as punching yourself in the face.

hey swamper!!

does someone have axle-envy??

damn, daniel that's a really good idea...

the thinking cap goes on...

OK, question- what did you do about the inner axle seals??

check out this rockwell!!!
http://www.truckworld.com/Monster-Trucks/Monsters-Monthly/2000-may/5plan-a.jpg

Man, I am gonna do that to mine this week, check the chrome pinion flange cover, BWAHAHAHA!!!

Hmmm....4x4x4...do you suppose it's 4wd?

The 80's were great, but sometimes I'm glad they're over:rolleyes:

Hmmm....4x4x4...do you suppose it's 4wd?

dude, you forgot one, it's 4x4x4x4.

So daniel is the expert whn it comes to anything more than 4x4. This one we need help to figure out, though...

If 6x6 is 6 wheel drive and 8x8 is 8 wheel drive, then WTF is 4x4x4x4!!!???

could that be like redneck algebra???

My guess is it's too complicated for me to figure out...

how the hell do you even know that crap??

I knew if anyone knew wtf they were talkin' about, it'd be you...

although, i gotta call BS on the part about "4 live axles with detroits", cause that would be part of the aforementioned "4 wheel drive"

maybe i just don't understand the redneck math??...

Daniel or others,
What is considered the practical engine torque limit of a 2.5-ton when used with 48's? The rest of the drivetrain will be Atlas II 3.77 behind an NV4500 or 5600. I'm building a crawler but want enough power for the dunes. Thanks.
Chris

Edit: may end up having to go with a build automatic to keep axle stresses a little lower but am still aiming to get a stick at this point.
Chris

Originally posted by swamper502
2.5 = riduculous
5 = stupid
Just because you don't wheel hard enough to break a 60/14 bolt combo doesn't mean nobody does. :rolleyes:

I sure hope that his brake is on the other axle.:eek:

Originally posted by MR4WD


So? What does that mean to me?

I saw a cloud shaped like a Bic lighter today. My friend will back me up on that. Does that mean that all clouds are shaped like bic lighters??

Edit: Go here http://www.truckworld.com/Monster-Trucks/Monsters-Monthly/2000-may/monster-tech1.html

and ZF is here. http://www.zf.com that site is about as much fun as punching yourself in the face.

Notice how on the site you linked that all of the rockwells are on OLD SCHOOL trucks!

It even talks on the page about them being obsolete for todays trucks.

Thanks for backing up my point.


Sean

Originally posted by Daniel
The question I have been asked several times is what axle will hold the 54's and HP... I have suggested the 5 ton outers and 2 1/2 ton diff chunk ...sofar one customer says they are holding up he resplined the 5 ton shafts to the 2 1/2 ton pumpkin... shaved the bottom and welded the spider gears... here are the axles for ship and I havent seen them since

Here is what I am running with my 53's and ~425hp-550ft.#'s torque. I think they should hold up fine.
B.T.W. that dinky little pinion held up for comparison is from a Dana 60.
http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/community/station/161.jpg

The axle shafts in these axles are the same size as the pinion at 1.76" and 21 splines. These axle shafts have a 2.13 reduction after the shafts which means that they should be atleast twice as strong as 2.5 ton Rockwell shafts.

Sean

Originally posted by Station
The axle shafts in these axles are the same size as the pinion at 1.76" and 21 splines. These axle shafts have a 2.13 reduction after the shafts which means that they should be atleast twice as strong as 2.5 ton Rockwell shafts.

Sean

Okay Sean...I'll bite...What are we looking at?

The Volvo C303 Portals are constructed/made by ZF also

Unimog U-1300 axles. Very similar to the more talked about 406/416 axles, but just a tad wider, and these have the deep water fording option which isn't available for 406/416 axles.

6.50:1 total gear ratio, Pneumatic selectable lockers, pressurized differential/hubs(deep water fording), 18" disk rotors at the wheels with dual calipers per rotor, Double Cardan steering joints that are HUGE, and weigh about the same as a Rockwell. I will eventually probably go hybrid axle using the portal hubs from these axles to get the weight down. But it is out of my price range for now, while I am having to buy all of the other parts for the buggy.

The axles are due to be here in 2 weeks. I bought them from the Tibus offroad crew(Wolfgang is on the board) for a VERY reasonable price. I spoke to Daniel Tibus for several hours on the phone(and he called me!) over the stretch of a few weeks. He is a really nice guy, who is a pleasure to speak and deal with.

He is also doing the pinion conversions for me. When I am ready to do the hybrid axles, Daniel will have my business for sure.

The axles are completely rebuilt, and Daniel did a thorough inspection of all of the axles to insure that every peice,seal etc.. is in good order.

Anybody who has some interest in Mog axles should definitely send them an e-mail. If you send them your phone number ,they will call you.

I have not been asked by them to give them any good publicity or anything, but the great service that I recieved from them has compelled me to share my experience with others.

Thanks go out to Wolfgang and Daniel Tibus of Tibus offroad.

Sean

For the record, Yes ZF is a German manufacturer of drivetrain components. A couple of years ago, ZF and Rockwell/Meritor joined forces. ZF had the automotive transmission know how and Meritor had the heavy duty market know how. That would be when the ZFs started showing up in monster trucks.
They are currently manufacturing a lot of really crappy big rig transmissions.

I looked through the ZJ web page but didnt find the monster truck axles Ive seen. I think Ive seen alot of the F106 Rockwells, I think that monster truck link talks about them also, there from school buses and lot lighter then the 5tons... and use the 4:1 planitary gear reduction.

I love those old Monster truck pics, good stuff...

If I put these 5 ton rockwells under an XTerra, can I then fit 31" tires???:flipoff2:

first off those U1300 axles weigh about an extra 150 pounds over the rockwell becasue the entire housing is cast. Also why would you want to get the weight down. It just makes your center of gravity better. As long as you can climb until you flip over backward without sliding then you are fine and the weight is only helping.
I was at a monster truck show here about a year ago to watch one of my friends beat the crap out of a 200 dollar truck in the tuff truck comp. I got to go down in the pits with him and look at the monster trucks and all of them were running 5 tons with planetary outer grafted on to them and they all were running pinion brakes. Just thought I would let you know.

Originally posted by jeeper111
Also why would you want to get the weight down. It just makes your center of gravity better. As long as you can climb until you flip over backward without sliding then you are fine and the weight is only helping.

I'm not tryin to start an arguement or anything, just posing a question to you. I've seen you preach this theory before, and I agree.....

However, if a certain area is needed to provide enough traction for a climb, then with more weight you need to increase that certain area. Right???? Unfortunately we don't wheel parking lots and it is not possible to have enormous flat surfaces to provide more traction. Thus, if you simply can't get that added area (contact patch) needed for the increased weight, then you can't climb the obstacle. This is in contrast to a lighter rig that needs less area for traction to climb the given obstacle. Light weight is beneficial since in real terrain you cannot dictate whether there is enough area to provide a sufficient contact patch, moving the added weight. With less weight you approach needing less force to move your vehicle and eventually you will benefit from it when a heavier vehicle cannot acquire the added traction.

Originally posted by Station
Unimog U-1300 axles. Very similar to the more talked about 406/416 axles, but just a tad wider, and these have the deep water fording option which isn't available for 406/416 axles.


What's the pinion length on those? Also, if you are at liberty to say, could you email me the price on those? Thanks.
Chris

I'm not tryin to start an arguement or anything, just posing a question to you. I've seen you preach this theory before, and I agree..... However, if a certain area is needed to provide enough traction for a climb, then with more weight you need to increase that certain area. Right???? Unfortunately we don't wheel parking lots and it is not possible to have enormous flat surfaces to provide more traction. Thus, if you simply can't get that added area (contact patch) needed for the increased weight, then you can't climb the obstacle. This is in contrast to a lighter rig that needs less area for traction to climb the given obstacle. Light weight is beneficial since in real terrain you cannot dictate whether there is enough area to provide a sufficient contact patch, moving the added weight. With less weight you approach needing less force to move your vehicle and eventually you will benefit from it when a heavier vehicle cannot acquire the added traction.

I agree bigdude. But that is why they invented "the bigger tire" So basically it is like evrything else in rig-building, a compromise. You can make it lightweight, and it rolls over more easily, and maybeis weaker cause you used smaller components - but you don't need as much contact patch, or as much power. Or you can go big, and have a stable rig that doesn't break, but sometimes reqiures more momentum or power to get up somethin slippery. I am not saying just build the whole rig heavy, but i am saying to keep in mind the COG. Putting big ass axles into an otherwise lightweight truck is not a bad move. There are plenty of comp rigs that do well weighing 4000 lbs.

To Daniel - my point is that 4 wheel drive necessitates the use of lockers, so when they say "4 wheel drive" they can't again say "4 live axles" cause that's just redundant.

Originally posted by elf_cruiser

Putting big ass axles into an otherwise lightweight truck is not a bad move.

What a grand idea.:idea: Wish I had thought of that. :D

yeah 350sammy. I mean imagine if you had kept that stock sammy engine and tranny/case combo. that would make your rig even lighter up top. Your ass is way too heavy!!

I know, how about a go-kart with 5 tons??? you could call it 5x5x5 - 5 tons, 5 horsepower, and 5:1 gearing, bahahahah!!!

Originally posted by GO 4LO


What's the pinion length on those? Also, if you are at liberty to say, could you email me the price on those? Thanks.
Chris

In the pinion conversion that Daniel did, I had him shorten the pinion as short as he could go without affecting the pinion support bearings. It ended up being about the same from axle center to pinion flange as a Dana 60.

The price is going up for these axles everywhere, even since I bought mine the price has gone up. You may still be able to get them for the same price as I did, or the price may be a bit more now. I am not sure, so the right thing for me to do is give you Daniels e-mail so that you can ask him.

His e-mail is. daniel@tibus-offroad.com

Sean

Originally posted by Daniel
more pics man!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Station
[B]http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/community/station/161.jpg

More pics coming once I get them to my shop, and have the 16.00R20 XL's mounted.

I hope these axles aren't afraid of heights:p because the differential is going to have about 26" of clearance:eek: .


Sean

Originally posted by GO 4LO
Anybody have any comparison pics of 2.5-ton vs. 5-ton ujoints/shafts?.
Chris He is a pic of the housings, the 5 is MUCH larger.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66174

yeah Elfy i have axle envy i guess a 14 bolt and a 60 with 35 spline and ctm's are just going to snap like tooth pics the first time they see dirt, that won't happen any time soon though because i would hate to scratch the paint on my cherry rig:flipoff2:

Originally posted by jeeper111
first off those U1300 axles weigh about an extra 150 pounds over the rockwell becasue the entire housing is cast. Also why would you want to get the weight down. It just makes your center of gravity better. As long as you can climb until you flip over backward without sliding then you are fine and the weight is only helping.
I was at a monster truck show here about a year ago to watch one of my friends beat the crap out of a 200 dollar truck in the tuff truck comp. I got to go down in the pits with him and look at the monster trucks and all of them were running 5 tons with planetary outer grafted on to them and they all were running pinion brakes. Just thought I would let you know.

I want the unsprung weight down becuase I don't only just like to crawl around all of the time. I like to get some speed up and do some wicked hill climbs. The unsprung weight on my rig is probably going to be more than half the total vehicle weight. This is really going to mean a HARSH ride when blasting around whoops and stuff. Or when I clear the top of that wicked hill climb and catch some air under the tires I will come down HARD. I am going to run them as is for awhile to see how they are before I change them. I may like them, and end up just leaving them.

I agree with you that you can build a vehicle that is too light for general offroading. But I don't want to have any more weight than necessary. I think with the hybrid axles, I will be just about right. But like I said I will test them out as is first.

Sean

yeah Elfy i have axle envy i guess a 14 bolt and a 60 with 35 spline and ctm's are just going to snap like tooth pics the first time they see dirt, that won't happen any time soon though because i would hate to scratch the paint on my cherry rig :flipoff2:

You need to come visit, man. We will break some shit, and scratch it up good... And tell Lee to put up some pics of flat creek!!! I heard you guys went out last weekend. Unfortunately I didn't, i was to busy drinking and shopping for axles with a friend. We found some sick stuff down in Tucson, but this guy was a real jew about selling it. for example, he wanted $600 for a 14.00 R20 Michelin... And $1200 for a front D60 used and abused with rust... Saw some cool dueces and 5tons that were used for target practice, hehehehe

I think your rig should now be called "toothpick" hahahah!!!

btw - did you make Kyle's Revenge??

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
yeah 350sammy. I mean imagine if you had kept that stock sammy engine and tranny/case combo. that would make your rig even lighter up top. Your ass is way too heavy!!
I
That would be about as dumb as someone putting rockwells under a stock Toyota truck, and quit looking at my ass?;) 4500 lbs isn't that heavy is it?

Hey elf, Did that place in tucson happen to be Jacks Govt. surplus?

I was there looking for big Michelins earlier this summer when I was visiting Arizona. He wanted less for them then.

Sean

actually, it was Station. That was his "new" price. But I didn't see any "new" tires there. Looked like there were some tires that were once "new" but had been sitting in the sun dry rotting for about 5 years. those were the ones that cost $600. If you ever think you need anything from there, let me know, maybe i can help. I will be calling you about Full-Hydro soon, btw. I liked the setup you did for the dude with the Defender 90. Take it easy!

hell i have a set of 16x 20s [53"]that i would take a grand for, but i am in texas. but these things are like brand new. they just didn't look that big on the internet. when i picked them up i about shit. man they are fawkin huge. mike

i knew i had that pix around here some where. these would be great on a 5 ton axle
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/794185-tires2.jpg
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/794182-tires.53s.jpg

Ummm, 5 ton Rockwells are still used on monster trucks.

The guy that built my 4 link suspension is a monster truck builder/driver and his truck has 5 ton rockwells. His truck is called Overkill, and he wins quite frequently.

GunnRacer would you deliver to Kansas for that price? Does it include a spare:) :) I have been looiking for some tires for a project

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
actually, it was Station. That was his "new" price. But I didn't see any "new" tires there. Looked like there were some tires that were once "new" but had been sitting in the sun dry rotting for about 5 years. those were the ones that cost $600. If you ever think you need anything from there, let me know, maybe i can help. I will be calling you about Full-Hydro soon, btw. I liked the setup you did for the dude with the Defender 90. Take it easy!


Jack is kinda funny isn't he? He swore up and down that Goodyear only made a tread like I described the XML to have. I told him that I was quite positive that Michelin made a tire like that as well. He said that I could go looking through his tire yard all that I want to try and find "one of these tires". I found 8 of them to his suprise. They were all about 60% though, and a little rough. If you want some 395/85R20 XML's and dont mind them a little rough, he gave me the price of $100 each for them, because he has never met anyone who wanted those tires before, besodes his not knowing that they exhisted. Tell him that you spoke with the Mississippi Kid who is building a rockcrawler. He might remember.

That area where he is was like a toal dream world to me. I have never seen anything like that in my life Miles and miles of totally awesoem "junk" in great condition. We definitely dont have anything like that over here. I started looking at buying all kinds of things cause I just couldn't belive it, then I started to think, how am I going to get all this junk home?:rolleyes: :eek: I had picked out a 67' Datsun Roadster 2000, a Volvo 1300 wagon, thought about a mint condition 70' Suburban, and was looking at renting a U-haul to carry tires with me. Now that I got brand new tires at a better price than his used tires, I am glad that I didn't drive that U-haul 30+ hours home.

I miss that I couldn't take the cars with me though.

Also when I was at Jack's I rode in a completely restored Ford script body Flatfender that had a Saturn overdrive in it. It was just liek ti would have been off the production line other than the overdrive. That was awesome. Didn't know that those T-90's can shift that well when they are brand new.

Let me know when you are ready to go hydro. I will try to hook you up.

I am stocking all of the parts that I sell now, so wait time is under a week to your door now.

Thanks,
Sean

Station, do you happen to know the the width on those U1300's wms to wms? Thanks - I just shot Daniel Tibus an email:).
Chris

Originally posted by elf_cruiser

But that is why they invented "the bigger tire"

My point was just that sometimes the terrain will not provide a large enough area for that "bigger tire" to contact enough rubber, to move the bigger vehicle.

Think of a rock garden for example. Jagged rocks, points, crevaces (sp?), edges, etc. It doesn't matter if you're running a 12.5 wide tire or a 18.5 wide tire, you can only get so much rubber on the ground when your trying to drive on the 3" wide edge of a boulder. This is where getting that extra traction from a bigger tire does not come into play, and where having a little less weight may help (IMO)

Originally posted by Station
Hey elf, Did that place in tucson happen to be Jacks Govt. surplus?

I was there looking for big Michelins earlier this summer when I was visiting Arizona. He wanted less for them then.

Sean

WOW

Ill have to check that place out, its real close.

Is that the one at 1st and ft lowel, with a tank out front. I talked to the owner about hummer stuff before, ill have to make sure I find jacks govt surplus some time...Theres another surplus yard off I10 at exit 248 or 250, Ill have to stop by there some time too...

good fun..

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ


WOW

Ill have to check that place out, its real close.

Is that the one at 1st and ft lowel, with a tank out front. I talked to the owner about hummer stuff before, ill have to make sure I find jacks govt surplus some time...Theres another surplus yard off I10 at exit 248 or 250, Ill have to stop by there some time too...

good fun..

I cant remember the road that Jack's was on, but it goes through about 2 miles of junkyards.

Whenever I was in Tucson, I went to the place on I10 as well. They had a Chevy truck that must have been some type of aircraft tug or something. It had huge planetary axles with 4 wheel steering. I didn't have any time to look around there though. They may have some sweet stuff there.

Sean

Station, do you happen to know the width of those axles of yours offhand? Thanks.
Chris

I AM A ROCK GOD!!!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Station


I cant remember the road that Jack's was on, but it goes through about 2 miles of junkyards.

Whenever I was in Tucson, I went to the place on I10 as well. They had a Chevy truck that must have been some type of aircraft tug or something. It had huge planetary axles with 4 wheel steering. I didn't have any time to look around there though. They may have some sweet stuff there.

Sean

I had my phone book open to the JEEP stealer ship and found jack' gov surplus trucks, 5181 Drexel Rd, (520) 574-0300 on the same page, man Im lazy for even asking.....

So its a third place, gotta love tucson.

Originally posted by GO 4LO
Station, do you happen to know the width of those axles of yours offhand? Thanks.
Chris

I am trying to remember what the WMS-WMS width is. I know that with the Mog wheels track width is about 65", and with my tires, I am looking at an 84" overall width.

I can't remeber at the moment what the exact wheel offset or mounting width is though. They have deep offset wheels like Hummer wheels which places the portal hub, and disc brakes are all the way inside the wheel which I really like. The brake backing plate fits tightly inside the wheel right at the edge. It pretty much keeps anything from getting inside the backside of the wheels.

[EDIT] Sorry about missing your first post asking this question, some how, I missed it, and just now cought it reading back through the thread. [EDIT]


Sean

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ


I had my phone book open to the JEEP stealer ship and found jack' gov surplus trucks, 5181 Drexel Rd, (520) 574-0300 on the same page, man Im lazy for even asking.....

So its a third place, gotta love tucson.

Yeah Tucson was awesome when I was there. I wish we had some of the salveage yards that you have there. I didn't get to do any wheeling there.....Maybe next time. That looked like it could be awesome too. How much land is open to ride on around Tucson?

One nice thing that we do have here is dirt cheap junkyards. Real small junkyards that aren't tied to everybody through the junyard network. You can get a lot of valuable things very cheap because Cecil has no ideah what it is, and Cecil needs $50 to pay the bills for the week. I have my eye out for a good condition Dodge NV4500 now. I don't expect to pay much more than $100 for it either. Lots of deals to be had here of you know where to look.

Sean

Station, are you going to be running U1300 front axles at both ends of your rig? Also, are they pass. or driver drop? Rear diff centered or offset? I shot Daniel another email, too, but just figured you might see this first:). Thanks again for your help.
I still haven't decided whether I want to run these or save a bunch of cash and go with 2.5-tons. Hmmm.:)
Chris

Originally posted by Station

Yeah Tucson was awesome when I was there. I wish we had some of the salveage yards that you have there. I didn't get to do any wheeling there.....Maybe next time. That looked like it could be awesome too. How much land is open to ride on around Tucson?Sean

The wheeling is good, but we had alot of them closed due to fire restrictions this summer, its all open now, desert rainy season. I had to drive acrossed a 1.5ft deep 30-40ft wide wash on the way home, when it rains it fluds...

Still looking for a D60 front. Ill probibly just buy another F350 for dirt cheep and part one out again...

next season will be fun...

Originally posted by GO 4LO
Station, are you going to be running U1300 front axles at both ends of your rig? Also, are they pass. or driver drop? Rear diff centered or offset? I shot Daniel another email, too, but just figured you might see this first:). Thanks again for your help.
I still haven't decided whether I want to run these or save a bunch of cash and go with 2.5-tons. Hmmm.:)
Chris

Yes I am going to run U-1300 steer axles front and rear. The front is driver side, and the rear is passenger side. But they are only offset 3.5" so compound driveshaft angles isn't really a problem for the rear. It is tight fit for the driveshaft in the front.

Also, just to let you know. You can switch which side the differential is offset to with 1 custom axle shaft. I am considering doing this and running a Land Rover LT-230 transfer case. The reason that you need 1 custom axle shaft is because one of the shafts has a longer splined section that the locker uses. You could put these axles together backwards without the custom axle shaft, but you would lose the operation of the locker(open differential).

I say these are worth the money over 2.5 ton axles. You get wheel disk brakes, selectable locker , Deep water fording capability, extreme tight turning ability(because of the double cardan steering joints), the differential clearance is almost as high as half the height of your tires(That ROCKS), and they are almost bulletproof.

They cost a good bit less than an equally equipped(well as close as you can get to equal;) ) Dana 60

Definitly the way to go in my opinion.

BTW what size tires engine do you plan to run? 404 axles may be plenty for you, and they are a good bit cheaper. The only reason that I went bigger than the 404 axles, is because I am running such big tires, and engine with gearing.

404 axles may be a better choice for you.

Sean

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ


The wheeling is good, but we had alot of them closed due to fire restrictions this summer, its all open now, desert rainy season. I had to drive acrossed a 1.5ft deep 30-40ft wide wash on the way home, when it rains it fluds...

Still looking for a D60 front. Ill probibly just buy another F350 for dirt cheep and part one out again...

next season will be fun...

Yeah, I was in Tucson during the time of the fires. I wanted to go up on mount Lemon, but the closed the roads the day before we were going to go up.

The sky was much more hazy(smoke) than usual when I was there, And you could see tons of smoke constantly coming from the mountain.

So, normally (as in no fires) there are some good public places to wheel in Tucson?

Sean

Originally posted by Station


BTW what size tires engine do you plan to run? 404 axles may be plenty for you, and they are a good bit cheaper. The only reason that I went bigger than the 404 axles, is because I am running such big tires, and engine with gearing.

404 axles may be a better choice for you.

Sean

I'm planning on 48's. Turned by a 570 hp big block (before the giggle juice >evil grin<). Thanks again for all the info. I'll let you guys know what I end up going with.
Chris

Sean, When you had the pinion conversion done it was shortened. Is that typical for this procedure or did that cost more? Any bad side effects?

Sean, When you had the pinion conversion done it was shortened. Is that typical for this procedure or did that cost more? Any bad side effects?


Holy old thread revival! :D

-t