Hammerking Productions Inc announces first half of the Vegas 2 Reno Challenge team.
Hammerking Crusaders
Car 4471

The Hammerking Crusaders Lead by King of the Hammers co-founder Jeff Knoll, will team with an all star cast of King of the Hammers veterans for the up-coming 2009 Best in the Desert TSCO Vegas to Reno the long way, 1000-mile endurance- stage race. After three years of King of the Hammers Races Jeff Knoll and partner Dave Cole will trade their Hammerking Productions suits for race suits and helmets to join an assembly of some of the best names in Rock sports for the first ever running of BITD Class 4400. The stage race will also be a qualifier for the exclusive 2010 King of the Hammers race in Johnson Valley California.

Although Dave Cole and Jeff Knoll will not be qualifying for a position in the 2010 King of the Hammers, the racing will be intense with Knoll and Cole going head to head for bragging rights. (Cole is currently building a car for this event and has not released details of his team at this time.). “ Dave and I race in nearly every thing we do” said Knoll “Our son’s birthday parties at Pole Position turn into grudge matches between Dave and I, with Dave currently holding the lead by a few tenths of a second.”

For the 2009 running of the Vegas 2 Reno race Knoll called on long time KOH drivers and friends from both sides of the off-road nation. Dave Schneider, Wayne Israelsen, and John Reynolds will share driving duties with Knoll in Dave Schneider’s S&N Fab buggy, with RJ Brown, Bart Dixon and Carey Stiener, heading up chase duties and logistic leadership roles. In addition S&N Fab will offer additional race support, and prep. The assembly will bring along a unique ability, racing background, personality, and additional personnel for this race. “ Our primary goal is to finish this race,” said Knoll, “ Any one of these people could easily make a solid effort toward winning this race, but we felt it would be a total blast to do this together, and enjoy ourselves. Without the pressure to qualify, the team can focus on learning from each other and preparing for KOH 2010.”

Driver/Navigator; Jeff Knoll
Rock-sports pioneer and Co-founder of the fast growing King of the Hammers franchise.
Knoll is credited with creating the Easter Jeep Safari Clean up challenge in Moab Utah, and served briefly as Environmental Affairs Chairman for the California Association of 4 wheel drive clubs in the early 90’s. In 1999 Knoll created the California Rock Crawling Association with His Brother Scott holding Rock-racing events in Southern California until 2002. More recently Knoll was a member of Alan Pflueger’s Monster Energy SCORE Trophy Truck team, The Dust Junkies Jeepspeed Team Driver of record, and recipient of a Jeepspeed team of the year award. In 2009 Knoll helped create the BITD class 3000 rule book and participated in racing as both driver and navigator in Desert Lites for Karl Scanlin Racing. Knoll’s Wins include the Parker 425, Baja 500, FabTech 400, and multiple local amateur off-road races.

Driver/Navigator; Dave Schneider
2009 was Schneider first King of the Hammer race, but has been competing in professional Rock crawling since 2001, winning his first event in 2008. Schneider suffers from an L1 incomplete spinal cord injury and has overcome the odds to become the 2008 BITD 1700 series champion, 2007 SCORE 1700 series champion, and 2007 Baja 1000 winner. Schneider also brings experience learned in the Nevada desert as 2008 Vegas to Reno class winner. Schneider holds a host of wins in multiple off-road racing venues including most recently winning the VORRA Yerrington class 7 race.

Driver/Navigator; Wayne Israelsen
Three-time KOH competitor, Qualified for 2010 KOH with a 10 place finish. WEROCK series driver and team owner Pro-Modified. Wayne has finished all three KOH races. 2009 KOH car built in 66 days with no outside help. (Wayne turned every nut and welded every tube). Top non-BFG finisher koh2009.

Driver/Navigator John “JR” Reynolds
Three-time KOH competitor, first “King” of the Hammers, Qualified for 2010 with a 20th place finish, and an OG13 spot. JR participated in the 1999 Warn Nationals and made the Dirty Dozen, as well as the 2003 Super Crawl. JR also won the 2002 Top Truck challenge. JR’s Bronco build up is the all time most viewed build up on Pirate4x4.com

Chase team Captain Bart Dixon
Three-time KOH competitor, Qualified for 2010 as an OG13. 3rd place at 2007 KOH, 1999-2001 EJR SCORE Protruck crew chief, 2005-2007 Pflueger racing Chase captain.

Chase team RJ Brown
Two-time KOH competitor, Competed in all 4 Supercrawl’s, SWDA points champion 1998, Pro rock crawler since 1999 in both Warn Nationals, and ARCA series, 3 year XRRA driver, and participated in 2005, and 2005 Gumball 3000 outlaw cross country road race. Chassis builder and car owner Browns fabrication.

Chase team Carey Stiener
Two-time KOH competitor, AMA hall of fame inductee, 1978 AMA national Champion, 1979 AMA world champion. Multiple Baja racing experiences, MDR class 7 champions.

The Car 4471
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=768509&highlight=dsi
S&N Fab Has built over 50 custom off-road cars for Companies like Yukon Gear and Detroit Locker, with as many as 5 cars displayed at the SEMA show. Started in 2003 S&N Fab is the leader in custom Rock sports fabrication in the Pacific North West, and will field an additional S&N Fab car for Vegas To Reno.
For more information on S&N Fab please visit, www.s-nfab.com

Hammerking 4400 class
This new class is an exciting partnership between Best in the Desert and Hammerking Productions Inc. the Marriage of purpose built Rock Buggies and High Speed desert racing collide in this new Hybrid form of Motor-sports. Unlimited 4-wheel endurance vehicle’s designed to navigate the most extreme terrain in the world will compete in a host of different terrain and forms of off-road motor-sports as Hammerking Productions pushes the limits past traditional off-road motor-sports. www.kingofthehammers.com

Best In The Desert TSCO Vegas To Reno
V2R is the longest point to point off-road race in the United States the Third race in the 2009 American Off-road racing series, The race tours the senic back country of the Golden state of Nevada and is sure to be an Epic Adventure. August 19th –23 2009 the Race will test the will of the most seasoned teams. For more information please visit www.bitd.com

King of the Hammers
Hammerking Productions is the promoter of the annual desert endurance race known as “King of the Hammers”. This year they are taking the show across the nation with Qualifiers for the 2010 race in Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Nevada. First up is Rausch Creek, PA on 5/15. The much anticipated “Second Crusade” sequel to the King of the Hammers 1st crowned Movie is set to release in June 2009. Spike TV will air a King of the Hammers special episode on the popular Power block show in June as well. KOH pits race teams from across the globe against each other in the toughest one-day off-road race in the world. 15,000-onsite spectators and viewers world wide on Pirate 4x4.com watched the weeklong event in the Johnson Valley OHV area. You can learn more at www.KingoftheHammers.Com

For all Teams considering racing class 4400 at V2R you will want to make sure you send in your "Application of Intent" no later then the end of this month.

$300.00 deposit to qualify for the early entry Prize, and I hear it is going to be well worth sending your entry in early. I have been told by Casey himeself it is one of the best prizes ever for BITD early registration.

I have also recieved word that the race now exceeds 1000 miles and is absolutly amazing. Much of it has been groomed, or has not been used in a long time. There are even sections that our cars will dominate. ( they are short but sweet)

Do not delay. This will be an Epic Adventure. Shannon Campbell Proved this weekend that a Rock crawler can hold its own.

Bring It!

Remember its a 3 day stage race. Approx 350 miles a day, and you can DNF one day and still start the next. 1 hour to work on the car at the end of each day.

Excellent team and choice of vehicles.

My bet stands.

El Jefe es numero uno! :bounce:

Nice team Jeff! I stick with my gut instinct as well, Jeff tops Dave in V2R!

Easy.

Still waiting for a post from Jeff under 1000 words :flipoff2:

Your post is like advertising that's there's sex in porn, we all know you are gonna go with an A+++ team. We expect nothing less!!!! It's why we're watching!!!!!

Now, just waiting for a comment from Dave :eek: :eek:

Still waiting for a post from Jeff under 1000 words :flipoff2:

Your post is like advertising that's there's sex in porn, we all know you are gonna go with an A+++ team. We expect nothing less!!!! It's why we're watching!!!!!

Now, just waiting for a comment from Dave :eek: :eek:


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: too funny...

Now, just waiting for a comment from Dave :eek: :eek:

I give my comments from the winners podium. But heck, we all need a place to make announcements. I'm glad Jeff has this forum:flipoff2:

I give my comments from the winners podium. But heck, we all need a place to make announcements. I'm glad Jeff has this forum:flipoff2:

SMACK!:laughing::laughing:

I give my comments from the winners podium. But heck, we all need a place to make announcements. I'm glad Jeff has this forum:flipoff2:

DAAYYYUUUUMMMNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I give my comments from the winners podium. But heck, we all need a place to make announcements. I'm glad Jeff has this forum:flipoff2:

Just like at the Tucson W.E. Rock eh? :flipoff2:

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Good luck to DSI Dave/Jeff Knoll/JR. We'll be rootin for yah!

Just like at the Tucson W.E. Rock eh? :flipoff2:

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Good like to DSI Dave/Jeff Knoll/JR. We'll be rootin for yah!

2nd Place gets you on the podium. ;)

I'm not ashamed.


How did you guys do?

2nd Place gets you on the podium. ;)

I'm not ashamed.


How did you guys do?

You said WINNER's PODIUM. 2nd Place is the first LOSER!

I know I know....you guys were close though. :D

I bet Dave's 4wd class one car will smoke DSI's car... Until it breaks, then the time tested proven rig will prevail :flipoff2:

So are we taking incremental bets or just overall placements?

I bet Dave's 4wd class one car will smoke DSI's car... Until it breaks, then the time tested proven rig will prevail :flipoff2:



:laughing: ok, this explains Dave's phone call a few min ago... I was confused when he asked about my time tested car :laughing:

:laughing: ok, this explains Dave's phone call a few min ago... I was confused when he asked about my time tested car :laughing:

I did not elaborate on how much time :grinpimp:

I did not elaborate on how much time :grinpimp:

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll have time into it to figure out how to mount the radiator:flipoff2:

( the website for S&N is wrong up there.. it's www.snfab.com )


Carry on! Good luck guys. :)

I'll keep it short for Kieth.



Every time I have driven in an offroad race since Feb 2007 I have delieved the car, or finished the race. A very large percentage ended on the podium...... I won't bore you with the stats!:flipoff2:

I plan on seeing checkers in Reno, I know the rest of the guys feel the same way.

I give my comments from the winners podium. But heck, we all need a place to make announcements. I'm glad Jeff has this forum:flipoff2:

:eek: :eek: :eek: You never seem to let me down! :D

No offence. But I bet they both DNF. Sorry boys.:p

I'll keep it short for Kieth.



Every time I have driven in an offroad race since Feb 2007 I have delieved the car, or finished the race. A very large percentage ended on the podium...... I won't bore you with the stats!:flipoff2:

I plan on seeing checkers in Reno, I know the rest of the guys feel the same way.

I thought maybe I was just dumb, but even the intardweb don't have no definition for delieved.:homer: Please help a brotha out wit some better context, or spellin.

Thanx,
Rick.

I thought maybe I was just dumb, but even the intardweb don't have no definition for delieved.:homer: Please help a brotha out wit some better context, or spellin.

Thanx,
Rick.


Sorry I was a dummmin it down, speed replyin, and said screw it to actually reading what I typed!


Filarski's speak from experience with the whole DNF thing.:flipoff2:

Filarski's speak from experience with the whole DNF thing.:flipoff2:

Damn! and the hit's just keep coming in this thread :laughing:

Filarski's speak from experience with the whole DNF thing.:flipoff2:

Rumor has it they pay their entry fees based on miles raced. So they're not really DNF'ing... they are cutting costs:flipoff2:

No offence. But I bet they both DNF. Sorry boys.:p

:laughing::laughing::laughing: That would be funny, and NOT at the same time!

:laughing::laughing::laughing: That would be funny, and NOT at the same time!

Who's side are you on? :flipoff2:

For all Teams considering racing class 4400 at V2R you will want to make sure you send in your "Application of Intent" no later then the end of this month.

Are there rules published for class 4400? Where can we find those?

Are there rules published for class 4400? Where can we find those?

Last I heard, the General rules were finished the initial draft. From there Jeff finishes the safety rules, we proof read and then we're sending them to BillaVista who so kindly volunteered to make them bulletproof.


Couple of noteworthy items. BITD safety rules will be enforced. Poly cells in a metal box are legal. Forced Induction is legal in 4400.


If you qualify for KOH at V2R, you must race KOH in the car you qualified in. This rule is in place to keep someone from showing up with a Class 1 car to qualify into the race so they can show up in their crawler. We are struggling with the appropriate way to enforce this.

JeepSpeeds are eligible assuming you have your front axle and Tcase in and operational and, again, use that car to race KOH.

We realize we need to publicize the full rule book as fast as possible, but want it to be complete, as opposed to having to come back with revisions.

Dave

Cool can't wait to see the final rules. But what happens to the guys who build a new car after Vegas to reno or total there car during the race or make changes to the car after the race? Like my self I will not have my new car done by in time to race Vegas to Reno or the hill climb. So I can't race my old chassis or some one elses car?

Cool can't wait to see the final rules. But what happens to the guys who build a new car after Vegas to reno or total there car during the race or make changes to the car after the race? Like my self I will not have my new car done by in time to race Vegas to Reno or the hill climb. So I can't race my old chassis or some one elses car?

What ever you qualify in. Seems simple.

Rick.

Like my self I will not have my new car done by in time to race Vegas to Reno or the hill climb. So I can't race my old chassis or some one elses car?


This is one of the biggest issues we're dealing with. We'd love to say qualify in whatever you want... but then I have teams calling up saying they are gonna race a Trophy Truck. How do we keep it legit?

Not whining, i'm serious, I'd love to hear some suggestions. I've thought of a bunch of things. They are all pretty lame though :laughing:

This is one of the biggest issues we're dealing with. We'd love to say qualify in whatever you want... but then I have teams calling up saying they are gonna race a Trophy Truck. How do we keep it legit?

Not whining, i'm serious, I'd love to hear some suggestions. I've thought of a bunch of things. They are all pretty lame though :laughing:


You will have to be strict on this thats forsure.

This is one of the biggest issues we're dealing with. We'd love to say qualify in whatever you want... but then I have teams calling up saying they are gonna race a Trophy Truck. How do we keep it legit?

Not whining, i'm serious, I'd love to hear some suggestions. I've thought of a bunch of things. They are all pretty lame though :laughing:

I hear you. I have been through the rules writing thing my self and it is hard.
It is almost like there needs to be some vehicle specs for the class to keep any thing but KOH cars in the class. But I see your problem as to how to word it in the rules.

I would imagine being such a small community, and Jeff leading the class (and probably helping with Tech) that a few pictures of each rig and a wide assumption that you aren't going to race a TT, Pro Truck, Class 1 car, etc... that it could be easily enforced on a per person basis. If someone races a tube chassis, 4wd buggy, that when they show up for KOH with a similarly sized Tube Chassis 4wd buggy, even if it's different, would be acceptable.

IF someone has a bad ass 4wd class 1 car, or 4wd TT, they could race the class knowing that they would have to race a similarly sized tube chassis 4wd car for KOH. I think the easiest thing to enforce when it comes to this is base it off of size (chassis width, overall length, etc) things where in a desert race it is not detremental (rather helpful maybe?) but not something that would be advantageous for KOH (long wheelbase, low belly, wide chassis etc...) to weed out those people.

Measure the cars, make a rule that everything for KOH has to be within 10% (or some other percentage) of what was brought to the qualifying race-- 10% of weight, wheelbase, tire size, etc... Base it on the base car, which allows for modification to fuel cell capacity, spare parts, nav equipment, etc.

Or, have a review committee of competitors. If you want to bring a different car, you have to have to formally request a waiver and prove that it is not significantly different that what you qualified in. Make it a peer review of 20 other qualified competitors, with a requirement of approval from 15 of the 20 that it is ok to subsitute that new car.

then we're sending them to BillaVista who so kindly volunteered to make them so long and complicated only he can interpret them for a small fee...


Fixed :flipoff2:

This is one of the biggest issues we're dealing with. We'd love to say qualify in whatever you want... but then I have teams calling up saying they are gonna race a Trophy Truck. How do we keep it legit?

Not whining, i'm serious, I'd love to hear some suggestions. I've thought of a bunch of things. They are all pretty lame though :laughing:

Set a minimum tire size (37), a maximum WB and 4X4 required and you could weed out virtually every TT, Class 1 or prerunner that may try to enter. You could also state the vehicle entered must not have been previously entered in a sanctioned race (SCORE, BITD, MORE, MDR) in TT, Class 1 etc. You would have to exclude the sportsman class for those KOH teams running older KOH cars in a desert series, but that should be a good filter to prevent someone from renting the Harbor Freight rig for V2R.:D

This is one of the biggest issues we're dealing with. We'd love to say qualify in whatever you want... but then I have teams calling up saying they are gonna race a Trophy Truck. How do we keep it legit?

Not whining, i'm serious, I'd love to hear some suggestions. I've thought of a bunch of things. They are all pretty lame though :laughing:


One more question So does the teams that qualified at KOH 2009 have to run there same car in 2010? I know of a few teams that are trying to sell there 2009 car to build a new one for 2010. SO are they going to have to re qualify or just get to race what ever thay want? Not trying to be a pain just want to get the answers out there.

Who's side are you on? :flipoff2:

From what I hear, ALL SIDES!!! I'm a whore, you know that, I wanna party with everyone! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

C'mon now, even you would chuckle at least once if you both DNF'd after all this....

Set a minimum tire size (37), a maximum WB and 4X4 required and you could weed out virtually every TT, Class 1 or prerunner that may try to enter. You could also state the vehicle entered must not have been previously entered in a sanctioned race (SCORE, BITD, MORE, MDR) in TT, Class 1 etc. You would have to exclude the sportsman class for those KOH teams running older KOH cars in a desert series, but that should be a good filter to prevent someone from renting the Harbor Freight rig for V2R.:D

What ya think Dave?? This seems like a good start (at least to me, but what the hell do I know??!?!)...

For 4400 BITD follow the general rules regarding safety. They all apply.

Class limitations are very loose, for this race. 2009 V2R is a concept race.

One notable change from the BITD rules will be approval of Turbo's, and superchargers. I hope to write one rule book that will cover all the different styles we are exploring, so limiting something for one may not work for the next.

Personally I want this to stay a 4x4 unlimited style class, but limited to cars that can still run in the rocks. Its good for our sport if the Herbst want to race the 4 wheel drive TT, as long as they want to race KOH also, I would be inclined to allow it.

Hammerking will have a booth in contingency, and this class will be a lot like Jeepspeed or Trophy lite. BITD will only be looking at Safety items.

Personally I want this to stay a 4x4 unlimited style class, but limited to cars that can still run in the rocks. Its good for our sport if the Herbst want to race the 4 wheel drive TT, as long as they want to race KOH also, I would be inclined to allow it.


When the Herbsts want to race KOH, you can quit your day job. Hopefully next year!:D

When the Herbsts want to race KOH, you can quit your day job. Hopefully next year!:D


While it would be indicative of a growing success of the sport, the Herbsts would just be another racer come race day ;)

the 4471 team is very pleased to have the guys from PSC steering in our court for this monumental adventure. Tom and his crew have been great to work with over the years and this event is no different. Not only will Tom be racing with Dean Bullock in a new Ultra4 car, he is making sure his customers have the best steering components you can get. Thanks PSC for your company wide commitment to this adventure.


I am also happy to continue the relationship with the best damn desert racing tire you can buy. BFGoodrich will support the 4471 team with exceptional tires and off-road racing pit support.

Lastly I would like to welcome a new company to the family. Summit Steel has come on board to make sure we get all the chase trucks dialed in.

While it would be indicative of a growing success of the sport, the Herbsts would just be another racer come race day ;)

As far as the Herbst go they have scaled there racing program way back they built 2 new Pro 2 trucks and they are not even racing them...The last Lucas race there kids were the only ones racing and they didn't even race there own race at Primm last weekend..