Im thinking about using my current 9" and removing the bearing flanges and welding on some D60 FF outers and get custom shafts made. Anyone tried this before? Ive done a search and found nothing.

why? if you want to do a FF use the Warn kit it will be as cheap and just as strong. other than that I do not see a reason to do it going the other way using the 9" outers on a 60 has a few benifites that I could see so that is what I did.

Originally posted by EBSTEVE
why? if you want to do a FF use the Warn kit it will be as cheap and just as strong. other than that I do not see a reason to do it going the other way using the 9" outers on a 60 has a few benifites that I could see so that is what I did.

According to Warn the kit is discontinued. And I would perfer not ot have hubs to break on the rear. I would take up the Warn kit if it was still offered.

I used to have some info about the homemade FF but decided against it but I can look and see if I still have it. It may not be exactly what you are lolking for but any info shoud help. To the 60 ends on a 9" anything is posible call moser or somebody about axles and go from there.
Good luck

Thanks any information would be nice. Im thinking then it would be the best of both workds. good clearance at the diff and good pinion support with one ton outers that cannot break easly under a 1/2 truck setup.

Why do all the work for no benefits. The Dana 60 is only about 1/4" less ground clearance, has a larger ring gear, and a 1" higher pinion centerline. As far as pinion support, look at the bearing spaceing on a ford 9" and you will see why they need a support bearing on the gear end. I do not know of any Dana 60s that break off pinion gear ends due to lack of support. A narrowed Dana 60 is all Dana and you can get cool lockers like 35 spline ARBs, Detroits and I think Ox.

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Oops almost forgot. You need to bore out the housing ende to install 35 spline axels in a Dana 60, but it can be done.

If interested I have another setup for sale too.

I grabbed Toyota front spindles from a early straight axle (they fit 31 spline shafts thru with ease). then I had a machine shop make a adapter from the big bearing end to the spindle. Benefits to this are:

1) You can get any part for this system right over the counter at any part store. (Warns replacement parts are real pricey)

2) The Toyota Aisin hubs are 1/4 turn to lock, and stronger than the Warn hubs.

3) Run full width or something custom, just have the shafts made to your specs. (that's all that's needed)

4) Disk brakes are ready to go, I have the rotors.

5) This allows a full floating 9 inch with disk brakes under any vehicle.

Drawbacks:

1) The hubs are 6 on 5.5 (need to be redrilled and tapped for anything else)

2) You have to get the shafts made, but that's not very pricey.

I have pics if you want them emailed. I have the one extra set that I had made for my next project, but that project is stalled, and I need the cash. So you get full floater of your personal width selection, that will except 31 spline inner 30 spline outer (same as Warns) shafts. Hubs that are more convenient and stronger. Disk brakes, and the comfortability of over the counter parts and their more affordable pricing. Of course spindles and hubs and lockouts and rotors, I have no calipers, and last but not least the adapters. $400 plus s+h, exactly to the dollar minus tax of what I have in it so far. Want to see pics? There is a guy on the board that helped me figure this out, he also runs this setup.

Do a 9"/ D70...you can find the 70s with the same size tube as the large housing 9". Re-tube the whole thing to gain strength. D70 also has 35 spliners already

Get ahold of Strong-like-tractor on this board. He made some flanges (CNC'd) to butt weld on a 9" housing for a FF kit, 30 spline outers.

A friend of mine, Cornjeeper, is running this setup, nice...

Cheers
Dale

Originally posted by JEEPRZ
D70 also has 35 spliners already
would this be a spline/size match to a 35 spline 9" detriot???
(that would be too easy)

Originally posted by Rogue Bronco

would this be a spline/size match to a 35 spline 9" detriot???
(that would be too easy)
Ford and Dana have a different type of spline.
It's like saying hey this apple is the same size and an orange, they must interchange.

I dunno about the stock 28 or 31 spline, but my 35 sp 9" detroit has the same pressure angle as a Dana 35 spline

Originally posted by Mr.N

Ford and Dana have a different type of spline.
It's like saying hey this apple is the same size and an orange, they must interchange.
Originally posted by JEEPRZ

I dunno about the stock 28 or 31 spline, but my 35 sp 9" detroit has the same pressure angle as a Dana 35 spline
So Hmmm....... One of you is wrong:flipoff2: ........ and one is right .......
Do we got a third point of view. Or....who knows thier sh!t, and who is guessin???

Brian, you find out anything else about this? More info would be cool.

Brian hit Alex up he has a writeup that someone scanned in that explains in detail it is called "The Poorman's FF" I have a set of stub tubes w/flanges and hubs from a Dodge D60 that I am willing to part with. I also have a set of disc rotors and calipers all you need is the caliper brkt. I can't remember the name but there is an online speed shop that sells weld on ones for like $15 for the pair. Can send the shit back with Foolio if he makes it up?? PM me on RRORC and I will get back to you.......

Dale

edit: Speed shop is AA not Advance adapter or something like that......

http://davids78bigbronco.netfirms.com/FF9.JPG

Obviously I don't have this done, just mocked it up to see how it would look and fit. It appears as tho the WMS would be widened about 2" per side. That axle in particular wouldn't work for me, as it's a Chevy D60 with only 30 splines, but a D70 with 35 splines had crossed my mind. If anyone has a link to how this was done, I'd really like to take a look at it

Originally posted by davids78bronco
It appears as tho the WMS would be widened about 2" per side.
your goin to have to cut the housing ends off anyways, so just cut an extra 2" per side to compensate.

That's a good point that brings up a question. Since the housing will have to be cut down, it's likely the axleshafts will have to be cut down also - at least it appeared that way when I slid the D60 axleshaft in. If that's the case, why not just have the D60 shaft resplined to the 9" carrier? SHOULD make for a much more cost effective hybrid axle, rather than having a pair made from Moser or someplace

I believe D60 shafts are 1.31" 30 spline alxes
Ford 9" is 1.31" 31 spline axles
if the D60 axles neck down after the splines(like most do), there wont be enough meat to 'spline'.
However a 14B shaft is 1.5" 30spline, and after the neck down there is still enough meat to get your 1.31" 31spline out of.
My question is, are the hub flanges the same between the 14B FF and the D60??

I don't see the point of the 9"/D60 hybrid. You can get a 35-spline D60 from a 97-up E350 with factory disc brakes.

"Are the hub flanges the same?"

Depends on what you're comparing. A DRW Dana 60 (or 70) from a 1-ton GM van has the same spindles, hubs, and brakes as any 14-bolt DRW.

If you need to find axles with enough length (and meat) to get new splines cut, start with DRW axle shafts - most are 1.50" - and are either 35-spline or a coarse 23-spline.

I'm wonderin if the axle hub flanges are the same. (end of FF axle)

Originally posted by Rogue Bronco
I'm wonderin if the axle hub flanges are the same. (end of FF axle)

The 14 bolt uses 1/2" bolts on the axle and D60 and 70 use 7/16" I do believe.

I like the idea of the hybrid. If you want to go 33 or 31 spline i say use 14 bolt outers and have the stock shafts resplined. If you are going 35 spline and cant find a good 70 outers to use or are going with custom length axles the 14 bolt outers would be perfect again.

Originally posted by Brian Bock
Im thinking about using my current 9" and removing the bearing flanges and welding on some D60 FF outers and get custom shafts made. Anyone tried this before? Ive done a search and found nothing. Yea, it hase been done,9'' 35 spline DT. locker, alloy axles for a dana 70 -same spline,3 1/2 '' square tube, dana 70 spindle's and hub's, disc brakes- dual piston,set up for dual wheels, will eat a 14 bolt for lunch. steve differential eng. inc.