Who plans to attend the Temple Canyon Hill Climb this mothers day weekend in Canon City. Jt and Matt have started a rock racer class and i was interested to see who else will be attending.

You know Im there! We have to have at least 3 cars to make a class. So come out and race so we don't lose this cheap fun racing!!
JT

Hey Jt, you know of anyone else planning to attend?

Look for the AMSOIL / Torchmate Fords!

There will be a couple from Montrose when they come to Lands End.

WE ARE COMING TO RUN AS WELL CANT:evil: WAIT TO RACE CANYON ONE MORE TIME!

Looks like we got enough to make a class at least. I assume we'll see who else at tech Saturday?!

Lucky Dog Racing will have at least three and maybe four rig's there.

whats up dawg. will be there

Joey

Looking at the rules for the rockracer class, I see that you can use IFS if it is "of rock racer construction"

Technically how do you tell the diffference between IFS of rock racer construction and IFS of any other construction.

We're trying to get our ducks in a row for Lands End and have a million ideas...

Technically how do you tell the diffference between IFS of rock racer construction and IFS of any other construction.

We're trying to get our ducks in a row for Lands End and have a million ideas...

Come on, you dont really want them to clarify that do you? Everyone starts wanting a fine line drawn in the sand then theres no "interpretation" of the rules. Might as well all run DuplicaRacers.......

My "interpretation" is if its a 4wheel drive IFS then you're in..........and thats what I'd be building to.

Thats not the issue for me the issue is you have to race the car you will race in KOH. So no building a new car after you qualify. Which means better not total a car after you qualify or in my case move the completion date of your new car up by a few months. Witch sucks the only way that is getting done is to shut my shop down and rob a bank.

The main reason for that rule Jt said is that there are some hill climb specific cars that have ifs (and maybe irs) that could potentially beat the entire rock racer division. I don't think many of those cars have full hydro steering either, which was another way to keep the class for "rock racers". I imagine if the ifs front is built for rock racing specifically and not hill climbing specifically that there would be significant differences.

Cool! the rules are out! I'm gonna run duals on all 4 corners cause theres not a rule aginst it, I'm gonna inject helium in the intake cuse the rule say no nitrous, I'm gonna run a extra long sun visor and a tall "rudder" cause the ruls say no wings, and because I need to add wieght I'm just gonna add another engine, or,,,,,,,,,,,, I guess I could just race it as a rock racer. I know what that is!:flipoff2:

Thats not the issue for me the issue is you have to race the car you will race in KOH.

I believe that is only for the Vegas to Reno race, I haven't seen Jeff or Dave say that about the hill climb.

The main reason for that rule Jt said is that there are some hill climb specific cars that have ifs (and maybe irs) that could potentially beat the entire rock racer division.

Correct, and some of us have access to use those cars to qualify, which is why we need to know the rules.

Come on guys, you know what you are supposed to show up with. Bring what ever you feel like fits the class but remember, it still needs to be a KOH buggy and will meet JT's judgement. Dont be but hurt if he sends you packing, you know what fits.

We are going to try for mothers day but $$$$$$. We are doing a hundred mile race this weekend!

I have heard people thinking that the Lands End is an "easy" way into KOH

I'm calling 25+ cars at the Lands End trying for 5 KOH spots.

Obviously if you use a hillclimb specfic car Dave and Jeff will find out and keep you out of KOH.

I'm gonna run duals on all 4 corners cause theres not a rule aginst it
sorry man, i do believe that rule was covered:flipoff2: So for someone that has seen a hill climb specific ifs, what are the main differences. I imagine they would have very little travel and have stiff spring rates. Not to mention i'm sure it wouldn't take long to notice if they are built strong enough to take the abuse of rock courses and 40" stickies. Are hill climb ifs fronts completely hand fabricated like our few racers are, or are they generally using stockish stuff off of factory trucks?

I'm calling 25+ cars at the Lands End trying for 5 KOH spots.

That's exactly what I said yesterday. I'll be there are at least 25 rigs in the class.

Obviously if you use a hillclimb specfic car Dave and Jeff will find out and keep you out of KOH.

That is why I wanted to see the exact rules, we have to come up with something to run the hill climb, obviously we are going to try to come up with the vehicle that we think can get us to the top of that hill the fastest, and that fits within the rules laid out by CHCA for our class.

Hell that may end up being my Toyota Tacoma...

Come on guys, you know what you are supposed to show up with. Bring what ever you feel like fits the class

It'll fit 100% within the rules of the class.

but remember, it still needs to be a KOH buggy and will meet JT's judgement. Dont be but hurt if he sends you packing, you know what fits.

I'll go re-read the rules, but I don't remember seeing anywhere on there where it said it had to be a KOH buggy.

What exactly is a KOH buggy, a full bodied TJ? A front engined 4 cylinder with toyota solid axles? A rear engined solid axle rear ifs front buggy? A front engined solid front and rear axled buggy? All of those were entered in KOH this year...

Not to mention i'm sure it wouldn't take long to notice if they are built strong enough to take the abuse of rock courses and 40" stickies.

They don't need to hold up to the rocks, I don't think rocks are gonna be part of this hill climb.

Hell I'd like to see JT try to get up Jackhammer with his "KOH style rig" setup like this.

So if I show up with Ken Blocks WRX I'm cool?

There is a grey area here indeed but we all know this class is for rock buggies...what is a rock buggy I guess JT, Jeff, and Dave have the final say there.

These races are to qualify KOH buggies to race KOH not qualify a Hillclimb car and build then build a KOH car for KOH knowing you are in...that is what the LCQ is for.

Yea it sucks spending all the time and money to drive 16 hours not knowing if you are even going to race, just one mistake and a year down the drain..trust me I still can't sleep over it!! And yea sponsors want nothing to do with maybe. But that's racing

I would hate to see this race removed as a KOH qualifier due to people "pushing" the rules..wriiten or implied. I could see Dave and Jeff say F$%K it and just throw 5 more spots at the LCQ rather than deal with splitting hairs about what is a rock buggy and such.

I understand it is racing we are all looking for that edge but............



RANT
In my world...
stirthepot:I would like to see 2 days of qualifing on the lakebed everyone has to qualify except og and top 20. Just like Nascar, NHRA etc. No bullshit, no politics, no this car or that just racing.....may the best man win.

OUT

I have a question. For the lands end race is it 5 spots into the actual 2010 koh or 5 spots into the LCQ for the 2010 KOH? I have been hearing different stories and some people I know say they talked to Jeff and he told them it is just to qualify for the LCQ.

The rig that you qualify in is the one you must race in KOH. The chassis of the 5 lands end qualifiers will be photographed and tagged. You are allowed to change the ride height, tires, wheels, and even the shocks if you want. I worked hard to get this class to have fun cheap racing for the whole year, not just the KOH qualifier. So if you have a specific question about what fits and what does not, pm me or call me at 719-351-9863. I am the class rep and if you show up with something that does not fit the rules or is bending them to the jackass point, then you will be putting me in the shitty spot of telling you you cant race.
So read the rules, ask questions, make your KOH car fit and lets go have fun racing. Lest we forget......fun is why we do this.
And before you flamers start with the wining about another competitor having a say whether you get to race or not, think carefully before you start impuning my integrity. Im here to get everyone who wants to race an opertunity, reguardless of your relationship with me.
JT

I have a question. For the lands end race is it 5 spots into the actual 2010 koh or 5 spots into the LCQ for the 2010 KOH? I have been hearing different stories and some people I know say they talked to Jeff and he told them it is just to qualify for the LCQ.

It is 5 spots for the race, not LCQ. And anyone who is already qualified (ie me) will not count aginst those 5. So if jason sherer (2009 KOH Winner)comes to lands end and takes first and second through tenth are attemting qualifiers, then second through sixth are qualified.
JT

So if I show up with Ken Blocks WRX I'm cool?

If you show up with Ken Blocks WRX yes, you would be cool as fuck, at least in my eyes.


There is a grey area here indeed but we all know this class is for rock buggies...what is a rock buggy I guess JT, Jeff, and Dave have the final say there.

I don't see a grey area, the rules are clear at what is needed to run in the rockracer class with the CHCA.

Go here and read pages 70-74


I would hate to see this race removed as a KOH qualifier due to people "pushing" the rules..wriiten or implied. I could see Dave and Jeff say F$%K it and just throw 5 more spots at the LCQ rather than deal with splitting hairs about what is a rock buggy and such.

I understand it is racing we are all looking for that edge but............


In racing we have only 1 thing to go off of, the rulebook. That is always how competitive motorsports have been and it is how they will continue to be.

I have a question. For the lands end race is it 5 spots into the actual 2010 koh or 5 spots into the LCQ for the 2010 KOH? I have been hearing different stories and some people I know say they talked to Jeff and he told them it is just to qualify for the LCQ.

I thought it we were racing for spots in the actual race, of course I thought that last year too.

From my understanding the top 10 at V2R, the top 10 at Rausch, and the top 5 at lands end are in the actual race.

My question is, do people that are already qualified count in those numbers?
For instance if JT(og13) takes 1st place at lands end does that only leave 4 spots for other people or would the spot move down?

The rig that you qualify in is the one you must race in KOH. The chassis of the 5 lands end qualifiers will be photographed and tagged. You are allowed to change the ride height, tires, wheels, and even the shocks if you want.

Shit, guess our plan of borrowing a rig ain't gonna work.


I worked hard to get this class to have fun cheap racing for the whole year, not just the KOH qualifier. So if you have a specific question about what fits and what does not, pm me or call me at 719-351-9863. I am the class rep and if you show up with something that does not fit the rules or is bending them to the jackass point, then you will be putting me in the shitty spot of telling you you cant race.
So read the rules, ask questions, make your KOH car fit and lets go have fun racing. Lest we forget......fun is why we do this.

Understood.


And before you flamers start with the wining about another competitor having a say whether you get to race or not, think carefully before you start impuning my integrity. Im here to get everyone who wants to race an opertunity, reguardless of your relationship with me.
JT

Understood, I know you'd rather hand out an ass whoopin on the course than in the pits.

This may not go here but if you have to race the rig you qualified with at KOH does that mean that all the rigs that ran KOH 2009 and qualified for 2010 have to run the same rigs in 2010 or do they have to re qualify if they bought a new rig? Just don't make sense to me. I see that you need to qualify in a car that is capable of running KOH but come on you can't qualify in a different rig than the one you want to race.

Just don't make sense to me. I see that you need to qualify in a car that is capable of running KOH but come on you can't qualify in a different rig than the one you want to race.

This could affect us. I am in for 2010 but with a 21st place, Roger is not (is close good enough?). We plan to have Roger race my Ranger at Lands End but I'll be damned if I give up my seat in #232 for 2010.

Rules are rules and we have some time before August. Personally, I don't think we should tie people's hands. They obviously need to be "rocksport" rigs for Lands End and V2R but if they have to be the same exact car, I think there will be problems. Minimum belly height and full hydro help. I think at this point, the discretion of a "rocksport rig" should be left up to the owners of the event (Jeff and Dave). Let's not ruin a good thing.

Rules are rules and we have some time before August. Personally, I don't think we should tie people's hands. They obviously need to be "rocksport" rigs for Lands End and V2R but if they have to be the same exact car, I think there will be problems. Minimum belly height and full hydro help. I think at this point, the discretion of a "rocksport rig" should be left up to the owners of the event (Jeff and Dave). Let's not ruin a good thing.


I agree With you 100%.
I could just leave my XRRA buggy together and race it but by the current talks on hear I won't be able to race the new two seat in KOH if I qualify. Or I could race the rig that was offered to me that was raced at KOH 2009 and all ready has qualified for 2010 but still I won't qualify. Just sucks

I don't want to step on anyone's feet, but i think this class in the Chca had simpler intentions. Not everyone has multiple rigs to race or even have the ability to build new rigs every season. This was meant to be another way for us to enjoy our rigs without having to have a big budget. The fact that one of the several races this season qualifies you for koh is just an added benefit. How many of you plan to go to all or most of the hill climbs vs just go to lands end for the chance to qualify?

On a different note, i've been trying to figure out how exactly the rolling start works. Is there a set speed you cross the start line at? It seems like an overly complicated way to start a race. And from what i understand saturday qualifies you for the starting order sunday, correct? Then sunday, is it best one out of two runs, or do they average the two?

I don't want to step on anyone's feet, but i think this class in the Chca had simpler intentions.

Yea I know your right but throw in the KOH invites and now your talking some serious incentive and a whole different ball game. Thus the fuss about having to run the same car at KOH or not.

Not everyone has multiple rigs to race or even have the ability to build new rigs every season. This was meant to be another way for us to enjoy our rigs without having to have a big budget.

So anyone with the means to have multiple rigs or budgets to do so should not be able to?


The fact that one of the several races this season qualifies you for koh is just an added benefit. How many of you plan to go to all or most of the hill climbs vs just go to lands end for the chance to qualify?

I can guarantee there will be a ton more rigs show up for lands end than the other races. Hell I've heard through the grape vine guys coming from several states just for lands end and the potential KOH spots.


1) You MAY race in a different car at KOH '10 then the one you qualified in at RC. The races are 10 months apart. I've killed many cars in less than 10 months and I'm confident in your ability too. This rule needs to be tweaked for Lands End and V2R. No Garry Hall, you can not qualify at Lands End in your buddies WRX:flipoff2:

That's the only info I've seen posted about the lands end climb, I'm sure he'll chime in with an answer when he has one.

The last thing we want is people with multiple cars like Nascar, before the CoT. It would be a bummer if money got in the way of a good thing this early.


Who ever said the Qualifiers would only get you a spot in the LCQ was misinformed.

Top 20 form KOH 2009
10 from RCQ
5 from Lands End
10 from V2R
20 from the LCQ
Thats 65 spots, We are looking into adding an additional qualifier, maybe two. (we can only do so much with the time we have)

The reason we wanted to make you run the same car at LEQ (lands end) was to keep people from racing a WRX. We are making it easy for all involved.

What is a Rock Crawler? If you are on this forum you should have a pretty good idea what the intention is for this style of class. I think its pretty lame some of the questions I am getting about what can I race at V2R as well as lands end.

Bottom line, If you plan on racing it at KOH 2010 you can race it at LEQ or V2RQ. If you show up at lands end with the General Lee (the Dodge Charger version) Jt's gonna laugh at you.

JT has put his name on the line so people can get experience racing their rock buggies in different formats, He is not making money on this, he is doing it because he loves racing.

Don't make it a pain in the ass please! If you are building a new car we understand that, but don't show up in a pre runner. Drive last years rockcrawler. Its a small community we all have a pretty good idea of what you drive.

I know its subjective, but Race a rockcrawler.

2009KOH top 20 do not have to race the same car BTW. Those cars are already out dated.:D

Originally Posted by JeepRecoveryTeam
1) You MAY race in a different car at KOH '10 then the one you qualified in at RC. The races are 10 months apart. I've killed many cars in less than 10 months and I'm confident in your ability too. This rule needs to be tweaked for Lands End and V2R. No Garry Hall, you can not qualify at Lands End in your buddies WRX


That pretty much sums it up.

This could affect us. I am in for 2010 but with a 21st place, Roger is not (is close good enough?). We plan to have Roger race my Ranger at Lands End but I'll be damned if I give up my seat in #232 for 2010.

This is really the same situation Aaron and I talked about. I'm qualified in for '10 already and I told him if his car isn't done yet just run mine to qualify at Lands End. Not trying to stir shit up or be a pain, just looking for a clarification/ruling is all.

This is really the same situation Aaron and I talked about. I'm qualified in for '10 already and I told him if his car isn't done yet just run mine to qualify at Lands End. Not trying to stir shit up or be a pain, just looking for a clarification/ruling is all.

instegater:flipoff2:

instegater:flipoff2:

Yea well, drink bleach. :flipoff2: This hill climb stuff might be right up your alley, hell I bet you could even finish the race. :flipoff2: :p

I'm not at all saying that the people with multiple cars and big budgets can't run, just saying it should stay competitive for the people that can't. I'm curious if the Chca knows what to expect in this class at the Lands End climb!

Don't make it a pain in the ass please! If you are building a new car we understand that, but don't show up in a pre runner. Drive last years rockcrawler. Its a small community we all have a pretty good idea of what you drive.

I know its subjective, but Race a rockcrawler.


Jeff I know we had problems in the past. I am not trying to make this a pain. I am just trying to figure out what my plan is and get some things set in stone. My new car is going to be started in a few week and need the parts off the 2009 Xrra car to do that. SO Slowrockr (Jason Picket) said he would let me drive his car to try to get qualified since he is already qualified.

This is really the same situation Aaron and I talked about. I'm qualified in for '10 already and I told him if his car isn't done yet just run mine to qualify at Lands End. Not trying to stir shit up or be a pain, just looking for a clarification/ruling is all.

So just as ^^^^^^^ Jason said we are looking for a set in stone Yes or no. Jason talked to JT about it and he said to get with you. We just need to know so we can get a game plan ready. Again I don't want to make any thing a pain just trying to get a plan going.

I WILL BE POSTING UP INFORMATION ON LANDS END SOON. THE HOW TO, HOW IT WORKS, WHAT WILL BE ALLOWED, ETC.

Jason, Aaron, Chad - if you guys have questions call me. Heck, stop by, you all live close enough (around the corner litterally) that I can answer any question for you.
EDIT: CONFERENCE BETWEEN JT, JEFF AND I HAVE CLARIFIED CHASSIS REGULATIONS... SEE BELOW POSTS


I'm not at all saying that the people with multiple cars and big budgets can't run, just saying it should stay competitive for the people that can't. I'm curious if the Chca knows what to expect in this class at the Lands End climb!
CHCA does know what to expect, they've been around for 40 years. Its not our first time to have a race within a race at an event. Besides, you guys are under my wing for Lands End.

The rules are written specifically to avoid someone like Leonard Vasholtz (18 time champion at Pikes Peak) entering his Bronco in the rock racer class. With the way the rules are written his Bronco qualifys only as the super truck class.

And a note to all: do not try to fudge, bend or blatenly break the rules for Lands End, because I do hold the authority to not allow you to race.

Don't make it a pain in the ass please! If you are building a new car we understand that, but don't show up in a pre runner. Drive last years rockcrawler. Its a small community we all have a pretty good idea of what you drive.

I know its subjective, but Race a rockcrawler.





To clarify - you must race the same CHASSIS at Lands End that you race at KOH.




Well I am getting two answers here. One from Val And one from Jeff. I am not trying to be a pain be leave me. I just don't want to get the big let down I got last year. Val you know me I am very competitive and want to put all my ducks in a row. If I am going to race Lands end I want time to prepare for it. I just want to know for sure I can run Jason Pickets car to try and qualify.

All right then that answers my question. One more event I won't I will not make it to this year. Good luck to all and don't wreck you chassis after you qualify.

This is not adding up. Does the car qualify for KOH or the driver? As far as I have ever known, it has been the driver. This just doesn't make any sense. Why tie our hands and cause a bunch of drama? The intent is to race rockcrawlers in a hill climb to qualify for KOH. Keep it simple.

If you want us to run a diverse series in the same car, I am in, but that is not what we are talking about here is it? Simply put - It is not fair to say that Lands End qualifiers must run the exact same chassis 6 months later. Our team will play by the rules but restrictions like this sap the fun out of it and make it difficult. Take some time and come up with policies that make sense. I know Rome was not built in a day.

This is not adding up. Does the car qualify for KOH or the driver? As far as I have ever known, it has been the driver. This just doesn't make any sense. Why tie our hands and cause a bunch of drama? The intent is to race rockcrawlers in a hill climb to qualify for KOH. Keep it simple.

If you want us to run a diverse series in the same car, I am in, but that is not what we are talking about here is it? Simply put - It is not fair to say that Lands End qualifiers must run the exact same chassis 6 months later. Our team will play by the rules but restrictions like this sap the fun out of it and make it difficult. Take some time and come up with policies that make sense. I know Rome was not built in a day.
EDIT : Brad, see JT's post below (its being posted shortly). Apparently you guys need some cheese with your wine, and Jeff is far nicer than I today.

6 months really is not that long of a time period when you put testing and modification in the timeline.

Vehicles have been built in a little over a week and won KOH. If you're telling me you can't build your vehicle in time, I'm not buying it.

:confused: Don't these two statements directly contradict eachother Val?

:confused: Don't these two statements directly contradict eachother Val?

Yes, but Harry, you know just as well as I do, both statements are true.

I've got a unique situation. I'm running my Campbell car in XRRA and the hill climb. The Caddi, a Jimmys Chassis, is scattered all over the shop getting a heart transplant. I'm changing it to run long distance races like KOH. I was thinking really hard about running it in the KOH next year, if I get in. They both are rock crawler type rigs.

I talked to JT a bit and trust that things are on the right track. Maybe he will post a clarification, but the bottom line is that are no class spoilers allowed. We are there to race rigs capable of KOH up a dirt road. The top 5 that are not already qualified get in. Based on my understanding, I would think that something like Brian is talking about would be fine. Roger and I are a team and might run together with him behind the wheel of my car (althouhg I will run my car in KOH). I am told that is ok.

Enough drama! I am off to order some tires and springs! Anyone other than #20 racing this weekend at CORE?

I'm thinkin I can read JT's, Daves, and Jeffs mind here. This is a great chance at a low cost race to qualify. Why make this difficult. You shouldnt have to read the rules to understand their intensions for a KOH type rig. If people want to push it then dont cry if your sent paking or told you can race but it wont count for KOH 10. All of us can cheat. Promise I have ran a lot of it by JT and he probably put all my grey areas in the rules. I can see Brad and Rodger using one or the other rigs. Its there team rigs. I dont see how its fair to use someone elses rig to try to qualify. I'm glad I feel my truck has a chance and dont have to call Shannon for a favor. Making this all a ordeal is :rainbow:

Enough drama! I am off to order some tires and springs! Anyone other than #20 racing this weekend at CORE?



:flipoff2::flipoff2: What were not good enough for you!!:flipoff2::flipoff2:

:flipoff2::flipoff2: What were not good enough for you!!:flipoff2::flipoff2:

I can't stay out of it can I??? I wanted to come race you and was seriously considering it but the folks I need involved have plans. It wouldn't hurt to take a weekend off. We have 4 races in May and 2 in June.

I can see Brad and Rodger using one or the other rigs. Its there team rigs. I dont see how its fair to use someone elses rig to try to qualify. I'm glad I feel my truck has a chance and dont have to call Shannon for a favor. Making this all a ordeal is :rainbow:

What is the differance there. I have worked on and helped the guys that own the car I want to race and consider him to be on my team. There is no ordeal there just wasn't a set in stone answer.


OK I talked with JT he set it all staight for me and gave me a set in stone answer. He said he would post hear some time. Thanks guys that is all I wanted. I wasn't trying to start any trouble just wanted an answer that was set in stone. I want to take this race serious and don't want to waste mine and others time if there was not a chance to qualify.


I am done see you guys at the races.

I can't stay out of it can I??? I wanted to come race you and was seriously considering it but the folks I need involved have plans. It wouldn't hurt to take a weekend off. We have 4 races in May and 2 in June.

next time!
I'll post up a report next week....the night race could be fun!!

next time!
I'll post up a report next week....the night race could be fun!!

Stop hi jacking threads ass hat.:flipoff2:

OK, now that we have all decided to go racing......

You do not have to run the same car at KOH if you qualify at lands end. The intent behind this is to let people qualify in a borrowed rig or thier old rig if they are building new for KOH. This does not however give people lisence to rent or borrow a spoiler rig just to qualiy and then show up to KOH with some clapped out YJ. Lets be professional about this. And please dont put me in the position of having to tell you that you cant race. Make sure your rig fits into the rules for the CHCA Rockracer class. If it does not, you dont race. End of story.
As for the rules; If you have questions, ask me, and not on this forum, as I have a life and am not on here that much. And if you want to get into specifics of the rules on this forum then we can just make this a spec class and we will all have the same boring cars. When you ask for specifics, you limit your ability for interpretation.
I hope this the end of this and we can all look forward to some great hillclimb racing this year. I was told earlier today by the powers that be at KOH, if this qualifier continues to be a pain in the ass, then it will just go away, and the 5 slots we had will just go into LCQ. That would be a shame.
I just came back from looking at the Temple Canyon course and what a blast that race is gonna be!!!

JT

Stop hi jacking threads ass hat.:flipoff2:JT


That's Mr. Asshat to you:flipoff2:

Stop hi jacking threads ass hat.:flipoff2:

OK, now that we have all decided to go racing......

You do not have to run the same car at KOH if you qualify at lands end. The intent behind this is to let people qualify in a borrowed rig or thier old rig if they are building new for KOH. This does not however give people lisence to rent or borrow a spoiler rig just to qualiy and then show up to KOH with some clapped out YJ. Lets be professional about this. And please dont put me in the position of having to tell you that you cant race. Make sure your rig fits into the rules for the CHCA Rockracer class. If it does not, you dont race. End of story.
As for the rules; If you have questions, ask me, and not on this forum, as I have a life and am not on here that much. And if you want to get into specifics of the rules on this forum then we can just make this a spec class and we will all have the same boring cars. When you ask for specifics, you limit your ability for interpretation.
I hope this the end of this and we can all look forward to some great hillclimb racing this year. I was told earlier today by the powers that be at KOH, if this qualifier continues to be a pain in the ass, then it will just go away, and the 5 slots we had will just go into LCQ. That would be a shame.
I just came back from looking at the Temple Canyon course and what a blast that race is gonna be!!!

JT

Thanks a ton for getting us an answer JT.

As Aaron said believe it or not we are not trying to be a thorn in peoples side, we just wanted to know what we had to do to qualify in order to start prepping for that.

I know Jeff and Dave work there asses off to put on this kickass event and we all appreciate that. We'll see you guys at Lands End and with any luck KOH10

Thanks a ton for getting us an answer JT.

As Aaron said believe it or not we are not trying to be a thorn in peoples side, we just wanted to know what we had to do to qualify in order to start prepping for that.

I know Jeff and Dave work there asses off to put on this kickass event and we all appreciate that. We'll see you guys at Lands End and with any luck KOH10

YouTube - Joan Baez - Kumbaya (1980) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ&feature=related)

YouTube - Joan Baez - Kumbaya (1980) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ&feature=related)

Thanks Tim, I now want to dig out my eyes with a ball point pen, and cut of my ears.

No worries, I don't hold a grudge, I just want to keep things easy, and not lose track of the fact its in the name of fun. JT has it covered. I just want to go racing.

So, what you guys are saying here is that Kumbaya is the official intro song for the 2009 KOH video, right? I passed this on to the PinnedTV editors... just trying to help out, fellas. peace out.

All teams planning on running temple canyon hill climb on the 9th and 10th of may. If you get your payment in to the address on the chca website before this friday then you are going to save yourself $25 dollars. It also lets us schedule for how many rigs we are going to have. You must also have turned in your membership application for you and your co driver if you are running one. Applications and cost are all on the chca website. CHCAracing.com.
Any questions you have about tech or the race, give me a call.
JT