This dude was on a while back spouting garbage, and now he's back. He's gotten a few good replies (including mine). Thought I'd pass it on if anyone was interested in "enlightening" him.

Robert

Everything below is a quote from someone else:

I keep hearing the Jeep crowd is misunderstood on environmental
issues, but I don't buy it. I've been a passenger on several Jeep
outings (before getting sick of the attitudes), so I speak from
firsthand experience.

It seems that driving itself is the biggest part of their "wilderness"
experience. They spend thousands on hardware and thrive on rolling
tires over rough terrain (which BTW is nothing compared to what a
hiker can accomplish, given more time). Do Jeepers really respect
nature if it isn't webbed with access roads?

I see nothing but rolled eyes when the sanctity of motors in the woods
is questioned. There is really NO pro-nature material coming from
offroad groups, just a lot of bitching about "property rights" and
dismissals of well-documented harm done to nature. They claim
endangered species aren't really endangered, etc.. For example, the
articles at www.off-road.com/land/ are straight from the Rush Limbaugh
(Creationist) school of ecology.

I don't see Jeepers as much different than snowmobilers, dirt-bikers
or jet-skiers. They can't seem to enjoy nature without trying to
overpower it. They also do a lot more yelling and drinking than
non-motorized visitors. That attitude doesn't need to be pushed
further into the last places people can go to ESCAPE that crap. With
wilderness always being pushed back by population growth, the least we
can do is save what's left from the worst aspects of "civilization."

I'm not calling for a ban on offroading, just an acknowledgment that
it's more of a motorsport than a wilderness experience, and that its
scope has reached far enough. There is a finite amount of land and
most public lands are already riddled with dirt roads (see
terraserver.microsoft.com for proof).

The link below shows how little roadless land is actually left. The
idea that you're being "locked out" is absolutely ludicrous. There
are FAR more places to take a Jeep than to hike uninterrupted by noise
and rowdiness, so be grateful for what you have.

http://roadless.fs.fed.us/documents/feis/data/sheets/acres/appendix_state_acres.html


E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/
If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.

This guy should get a life not all of us jeepers are engine reving ,bolder crawling,drunks. I like the easy trails to get away from the city shit to. But i prefer to do it in my jeep!!!!!
By using my jeep I am able to enjoy the outdoors a little longer by driving there.

NOTE: I belonged to a hiking club in high school and did alot of hiking after high school but knee injury prevents me from hiking any more than a mile know. Not all of us can hike still and we who can't hike, still have the right to access our public lands!!!
I can not beleave that this guy would not find an alternitive way to access our public lands if He could not Hike anymore!!

And as for the hiking trails there are a lot more areas to go hiking than there are to go in our jeeps. I'm not looking to create trails in every forest!! I just want to have the same access to our public lands as you hikers do. I'm not saying i want to drive on there hiking trails. I just want to be able to access our public lands and enjoy them as the hikers do.

I think the main reason he is "bitching" is because we responsable OHV users are starting to stand up for our rights and we are putting a stop to the Enviros. closing off everything thay can by any means thay can. Granted there are some who have no respect for anything or anyone and that goes for some of the Hiking people.

The Enviros have gotten away with alot of things but we are not going to bend over and take it any more. The hole exit only and we are going to fight back you ANTI-ACCESS %ICKS by any means
(Sorry had to vent)

So SEE YA !!!!

Geez, I'm all flattered and big headed now. He said the web site I edit is like Rush Limbaugh:grinpimp:

Originally posted by landuseorc
Geez, I'm all flattered and big headed now. He said the web site I edit is like Rush Limbaugh:grinpimp:

Yea Brad, wanted to make sure you saw what kind of an "influence" you are ;)

Robert