im pretty new at this and i was given a 94 cherokee 2.5 2wd. i recently bought the ho 4.0 with auto tranny and trans case. i also got front and rear axles out of a 95 cherokee. i want to do a leafspring conversation up front to get a huge lift. down here in florida we dont have many hills so its just for mud. i was researching and full size chevy rear leafs are the same length and cherokee. i was thinkin seeing im usint chevy axles if i can use the chevy leafs. $189.00 a piece i can get 12" of lift. what do you guys think?????

Chevy axles are passenger side drop, the stock t-case on a chevy is drivers side drop.

12 inches of lift is too much, trim a fender.

i just realized that after i posted it. ford axles then

and like i said its for mud only. i guess u can call it a swamp buggy. check out www.redneckyachtclubfl.com or search them on myspace. that is what im building it for

i just realized that after i posted it. ford axles then

You can get a dana axle rather then a ford axle then you can run jeep, ford or Chevy leafs.:flipoff2:

I got just a touch under 12 inches of lift. It is the perfect combination of low center of gravity and not having to trim my fenders. My 31x10.50's gots lots of room to breath that way. Oh and I am running a 8 inch aluminum block in rear.

I got just a touch under 12 inches of lift. It is the perfect combination of low center of gravity and not having to trim my fenders. My 31x10.50's gots lots of room to breath that way. Oh and I am running a 8 inch aluminum block in rear.


:lmao:

I got just a touch under 12 inches of lift. It is the perfect combination of low center of gravity and not having to trim my fenders. My 31x10.50's gots lots of room to breath that way. Oh and I am running a 8 inch aluminum block in rear.

Your joking right? Please, dear god tell us your joking.

Your joking right? Please, dear god tell us your joking.

He is joking, he is really running a 10" block. Everyone knows you need at least 10 inches to run 31's

He is joking, he is really running a 10" block. Everyone knows you need at least 10 inches to run 31's

id like to know how this is possible, on my xj i had to do 3 inch lift + 10 in blocks front and back just to run stock tires. hell i even had to upgrade the front axle to a dana 20 to keep from snapping axle shafts.

id like to know how this is possible, on my xj i had to do 3 inch lift + 10 in blocks front and back just to run stock tires. hell i even had to upgrade the front axle to a dana 20 to keep from snapping axle shafts.

You need to quit posting here. Even if your joking about all the crap you just mumbled, its FAR to inaccurate to even make sense. First, you cant put blocks in the front of a stock xj. You would use coil spacers. Second, if you snapped a stock axle with stock tires, I assure you it had nothing to do with the suspension. And 3rd the best fucking one....A Dana 20 axle eh? Show me a pic of that if you would cause there's no such thing. Theres an AMC 20, but its a rear axle. And there is a Dana 20 but its not an axle, its a transfer case.

And if you werent joking.....well Im not even gonna go there. Just stop posting here.

You need to quit posting here. Even if your joking about all the crap you just mumbled, its FAR to inaccurate to even make sense. First, you cant put blocks in the front of a stock xj. You would use coil spacers. Second, if you snapped a stock axle with stock tires, I assure you it had nothing to do with the suspension. And 3rd the best fucking one....A Dana 20 axle eh? Show me a pic of that if you would cause there's no such thing. Theres an AMC 20, but its a rear axle. And there is a Dana 20 but its not an axle, its a transfer case.

And if you werent joking.....well Im not even gonna go there. Just stop posting here.

dude, seriously, get the fucking dick out of your ass, im not the only one here making a joke, i dont see you crying and bitching about anyone else. yes i was fucking joking, and i know half the shit i just said doesnt make sense, neither does a 10 inch block to run 31,s. but seeing as he said he was going to run chevy axles up front, that would require him to most likely run leaf springs, wich you could put blocks under. yes i know your not supposed to under the front.

oh and sorry, i meant dana 25

Top notch 3rd grade response. Stop posting now.

Top notch 3rd grade response. Stop posting now.

man, im not even trying to argue with you, but somehow you manage to try and bitch at me, the previous thread i made, you bitched at me, which that thread had more useful substance than this thread, this one is obviously rediculous, but somehow you manage to want to tickle my fancy?

Im not tickling your anything. Stop posting.

Im not tickling your anything. Stop posting.

no, fuck no, im not going to stop, im not doing anything, you just being a bitch

ok if you want to go all out i would say get 63" chevy leafs for the rear and 52" chevy leafs for the front......rear axles go with either a dana 60 or corp 14b and for the front either dana 44 hp or 60 up front......go full width all the way

^x2 if possible do this...it is what i am hoping/planing on doing asap. just because i have a nice welder, and the ability to weld doesnt mean i should go crazy doing something i dont have sufficient knowledge on.... thats why i am doing everything else im capable of right now, making it easier along the way for my 1 ton swap...so if you dont know enough about the shit....learn before you dive in.

gawt dam there's a lot of stupid in this thread. :shaking:

gawt dam there's a lot of stupid in this thread. :shaking:

No... Just a bunch of sand it their twats....

:flipoff2:

No... Just a bunch of sand it their twats....

:flipoff2:

Twat did you say? My ass is chafed, thanks for trying though.


On the tech side here lets keep in mind this was also a TOTM. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=720309

wow u guys are a trip. i made a mistake. they are ford axles. down here in fl we dont do rock climbing or hill climbing. we got for who can go thru the deepest shit. so in return im want to put 12" leafs all for corners only cuz thats the largest i can find. plus i want revolving shackles for added flex. plus maybe 4-5" block all the way around to be able to clear tractor tires. then if all else fails a nice 327 or 350 small block. or and hydrolic assist steerting. the hell with making the linkage work.

Gawd, revolver shackles are scary enough without being that high in the air. Why would you worry about flex if its a mud truck, your not gonna get much out of those springs anyways.

there a thread on her about a guy building a full frame for his xj, id advise to read that before you attempt this build

its not the pirate one, but this is what you should look into http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741237

wow u guys are a trip. i made a mistake. they are ford axles. down here in fl we dont do rock climbing or hill climbing. we got for who can go thru the deepest shit. so in return im want to put 12" leafs all for corners only cuz thats the largest i can find. plus i want revolving shackles for added flex. plus maybe 4-5" block all the way around to be able to clear tractor tires. then if all else fails a nice 327 or 350 small block. or and hydrolic assist steerting. the hell with making the linkage work.

You need to sit down and REALLY rethink what your doing. First off what ford axles are we talking about here? A 44/60 combo? A 60/60 combo? A 60/10.5? A 60/70? Cause I'll tell you rite now if your thinking like 50" tractor tires, not one of my listed options will hold that size of tire. You need straight Rockwells. 50" tractor tires need beefy axles turning them.

Second, your stock drivetrain isnt going to handle any of what your intending to do. T-case will likely have a short life and same with the tranny. A 350 would be great, but it wont bolt up to any factory jeep drivetrains that Im aware of, especially the XJ's. So your looking at serious work there.

Your suspension idea is not a good one. I can understand you wanting height (kinda) but blocks are a big no-no. Cheap yes, but dangerous. For your side of wheeling heres and example. Your ripping threw the mud, haulin ass, mud slingin all over and you dip into a rut and give it more gas. Springs begin to wrap and you spit out a block. Suspension literally falls apart. Given the momentum you'll likely already have, I can only see that ending in a flop or roll. Also, fitting those bohemith leaves will likely require new mounts and locations. And seriously beefy ones at that.

Also the XJ is not a poorly built body, but it is a unibody. Constucted of fairly thin sheet metal. To handle your requirments you'll ether need to reinforce the living shit out of it, or replace it all together.

To do what you want, your talking about MAJOR modifications. It goes way deeper than a set of axles and some enourmous springs. In materials, axles, drivetrain etc I can see your build easily surpassing 5-6 grand depending on your hookups.

Although Im not a huge supporter of this build, this is a decent way to go. http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961

Read the whole build....he's on 49 Iroks and seemingly in the same position you would like to go. Maybe the guys at ChucksTrucks.com can point you in a better direction.

wow u guys are a trip. i made a mistake. they are ford axles. down here in fl we dont do rock climbing or hill climbing. we got for who can go thru the deepest shit. so in return im want to put 12" leafs all for corners only cuz thats the largest i can find. plus i want revolving shackles for added flex. plus maybe 4-5" block all the way around to be able to clear tractor tires. then if all else fails a nice 327 or 350 small block. or and hydrolic assist steerting. the hell with making the linkage work.

I know the answer.. but fuck. are all florida idiots this fucking stupid? :shaking:

I know the answer.. but fuck. are all florida idiots this fucking stupid? :shaking:

:lmao: I was trying not to say that.

Dis chit is funnay!

yeah true. i havent bought the axles yet but i will be after memorial day. im not gonna put bigfoot tires on it. nothing bigger then 40" im just trying to get enough lift with out hackin the hell out of my fenders. i like the way stock bodys look. im on here to get info and opinions not smart ass remarks from all the other assholes on this site. im not on here talkin shit to everyone else just to get as much info as i can get. i prolly wont run chevy leafs. i can prolly get enough lift with 6.5 leafs on the rear but not sure what to run on front

all joking aside. Sell the XJ and start with something that has a frame and 4 leaf springs. build from there. In the end it will be much cheaper and easier.

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=112

Go here ^^^^

I don't think we can help you...

ive seen the swap done alot with front leafs. i like the xj more then any other jeep.

yeah true. i havent bought the axles yet but i will be after memorial day. im not gonna put bigfoot tires on it. nothing bigger then 40" im just trying to get enough lift with out hackin the hell out of my fenders. i like the way stock bodys look. im on here to get info and opinions not smart ass remarks from all the other assholes on this site. im not on here talkin shit to everyone else just to get as much info as i can get. i prolly wont run chevy leafs. i can prolly get enough lift with 6.5 leafs on the rear but not sure what to run on front

You will get very little love from most guys (including me) on here because they trim sheet metal as much as possible. Low center of gravity is the name of the game. It also not a bright idea to run a 40" tire on a 3/4 ton axles. Get you some tons or rockwells. You might want to look into some less hardcore forums if you want to keep your jeep "pretty". The PBB guys are not necessarily assholes they have just answered the same question like 800 times. Almost everything you could ever want to know or do to a jeep has probably been covered on this board.

i agree with what you just said except for...i do think i 3/4 built right will hold up 40's, also the search button would be soooooooooo much more beneficial if evryone would take their stats out of their signatures.

i agree with what you just said except for...i do think i 3/4 built right will hold up 40's, also the search button would be soooooooooo much more beneficial if evryone would take their stats out of their signatures.

Problem is he is looking at running a small block and big tires. He might not be running rocks but it will still put a lot of hurt on those axles. I break my D44 with my little 4.0L and 36's.

Like said above start with a framed rig with leafs. It will save you a lot of headaches.

Flame on you dirty pirate hookers. :flipoff2:

Hes talking about just goin thru mud bogs and such. In that case only, dana 44's and whatever else will hold up to a big tire. Now as soon as you make it to hard ground and gas it that may be a different story! But you will need at least 12" of lift to clear 40"s with no fender trimming and be able to move around. Ask me how i know... Now this is only for a mud truck.

run the chevy 12" leaves , if your wanting to just get stupid high in the air. Or stay with coils in the front and run leaves out back. That is what i would do and am currently doing. You should check out my thread on here.

yeah true. i havent bought the axles yet but i will be after memorial day. im not gonna put bigfoot tires on it. nothing bigger then 40" im just trying to get enough lift with out hackin the hell out of my fenders. i like the way stock bodys look. im on here to get info and opinions not smart ass remarks from all the other assholes on this site. im not on here talkin shit to everyone else just to get as much info as i can get. i prolly wont run chevy leafs. i can prolly get enough lift with 6.5 leafs on the rear but not sure what to run on front

There are plenty of threads on here regarding leafs on the front of a Cherokee.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4670325

Looking at running 18.4x16.1s or the next size down (I forget their size)? I'm hoping to have my CJ finished for Memorial Day weekend at RNYC...

I know that the Ford 3/4 ton axles are plentiful and cheap here in SWFLA, but see if you can find some 1 tons (try Chucks).... It will be worth it for the peace of mind, nobody likes messing with broken axles in 2' of mud + surface water.

EDIT - Check this thread out, the guy broke a stock 60 rear quick. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=783214

If you left the 3/4ton open I think you would be fine, but if you locked them I think there might be issues... (think crawling out of a canal, off camber, you hit the gas with that small block, boom...)

im glad to see a fellow floridian finally.

Im moving this to the mud forum.

If you left the 3/4ton open I think you would be fine, but if you locked them I think there might be issues... (think crawling out of a canal, off camber, you hit the gas with that small block, boom...)

Stock small block isn't gonna cut the mustard in the mud with big tires, that said the axles will live because of it.

im pretty new at this and i was given a 94 cherokee 2.5 2wd. i recently bought the ho 4.0 with auto tranny and trans case. i also got front and rear axles out of a 95 cherokee. i want to do a leafspring conversation up front to get a huge lift. down here in florida we dont have many hills so its just for mud. i was researching and full size chevy rear leafs are the same length and cherokee. i was thinkin seeing im usint chevy axles if i can use the chevy leafs. $189.00 a piece i can get 12" of lift. what do you guys think?????

Where are you getting GM springs for that price???

i believe it was rough country.

94Cherokee, If you post any more stupid questions in the Cherokee section you will get an infraction.

my bad sorry for pissin in your cheerios. i figured it was a question i had about my cherokee so why not post it in the cherokee section. :flipoff2:

Sounds like you need to get a hold of this guy:

http://www.midwestern4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439
:eek:

^ wanna post pics that we don't have to join to see?

http://www.midwestern4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=263&d=1240520585
http://www.midwestern4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=264&d=1240520776
http://www.midwestern4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265&d=1240520874
http://www.midwestern4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=266&d=1240520985

^^^pics no worky.

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Holy chit that alot of posts:eek::eek::eek::eek:



ohh yeah the pics still don't work...

^^^pics no worky.

ohh yeah the pics still don't work...

I guess phil has his board set up to disable visitors from viewing attachments or threads without registering. At any rate, here's 94cherokee's inspiration.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=442631&stc=1&d=1242257305

:shaking:

^^Pics still no worky.:homer:

Edit: you fixed them as I was typing, damn it.

Awesome pics by the way.:shaking:

Holy chit that alot of posts:eek::eek::eek::eek:



ohh yeah the pics still don't work...


That is why they are moderators they can manipulate the stats. There is not that many posts on the whole board.

later
jenks

^^Pics still no worky.:homer:

Edit: you fixed them as I was typing, damn it.

Awesome pics by the way.:shaking:

Hold your fawkin' horses! :flipoff2:

If you sign up and read the entire thread, you'll see the guy defending himself and his fabrication skills. It's quite humorous. I have yet to see this thing in person, but I'm sure I will sooner or later...

the height is realy nice but the fab skills...... wow

that looks great:rolleyes:

never seen a leaf block "setup" like that before:rolleyes: and the steering:eek:

doesnt look very safe to even look at it:shaking:

doesnt look very safe to even look at it:shaking:


the only thing you have said that i agree with WOW lets build a foot of i guess you would call it a truss on top of our axle and go from there with the leafs and just chop the stock steering in half and weld sum shit in it.

Im from the south and that embarrasses me

all i was gonna do was run hydro assist. i dont understand what i want to do embarrasses u

i have about the same thing minus steering and um i guess its a block set up its about a twelve inch chevy lift no blocks and clear 36/12.5/16.5 military good year wranglers with no problem i have ford axles and leaf conversion well im almost done with the front its way close i will probly post pics if any one is interested.

i have about the same thing minus steering and um i guess its a block set up its about a twelve inch chevy lift no blocks and clear 36/12.5/16.5 military good year wranglers with no problem i have ford axles and leaf conversion well im almost done with the front its way close i will probly post pics if any one is interested.

So you had to use 12" lift springs to stuff some 36" tires under it? And what the fuck does the shit in red letters mean? Its a block set up with no blocks? I have got to see this marvel of modern engineering. And let me guess its booty fabbed from hell. Oh please let us bask in the light of your glorious fab skills. We are already basking in your glorious typing skills. Did you graduate the third grade or did you have to repeat it a time or twelve? :flipoff2:


Fawking booty fabbers are gonna kill somebody:shaking:

oh my gaaaaaaaawwwwwwddddd those are some nice welds but can you say axle wrap, that is disturbing. I hope you at least built this thing in a trailer park with a hack saw, then i will give you props.

1: why is there never a front drive shaft in trucks with booty fabed lifts under them?

2: is it just me or did he use the same ubolt to hold the leafs on and the block thingy on? circled in red.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/HillBilly_Young01/jeepsteer.jpg

2: is it just me or did he use the same ubolt to hold the leafs on and the block thingy on? circled in red.



No...it's not just you. I also read in another thread that the steering was just mocked up.

just a suggestion but you should probley be posting stupied shit like this over on chuckstrucks.net because the specalize in stupied shit like that and your in luck there in florida

Hey there's plenty of stupidfuckers in your state too...we are just smart enough to use a digital camera here in FLA

just a suggestion but you should probley be posting stupied shit like this over on chuckstrucks.net because the specalize in stupied shit like that and your in luck there in florida

No capitalization for the first word.
"Probably" is spelled incorrectly.
"Stupid" is spelled incorrectly.
"The" should be "they".
"Specialize" is spelled incorrectly.
"Stupid" is spelled incorrectly, again.
Should probably be a comma in between "that" & "and", probably one after "luck" too.
"Florida" is not capitalized.
No period at the end of a sentence.


Yeah....

No capitalization for the first word.
"Probably" is spelled incorrectly.
"Stupid" is spelled incorrectly.
"The" should be "they".
"Specialize" is spelled incorrectly.
"Stupid" is spelled incorrectly, again.
Should probably be a comma in between "that" & "and", probably one after "luck" too.
"Florida" is not capitalized.
No period at the end of a sentence.


Yeah....


I was about to note the same thing. It's hard to call someone stupid when you can't even spell, type, or make sense out of a sentence.

wud a fockyn ediut.