how much VERTICAL travel are you getting?
what springs?
length of shackle?
pics?

I've got mine set to about 3-1/2" up front to keep the diff off the oil pan. Alcans w/ 5" shackles. Rear is more like 8" (and could be more if I needed it, but I don't use what I have now). Alcans w/ 6" shackles.

how much VERTICAL travel are you getting?


....I'm assuming you mean full droop to full stuff where the bumps are set right..... Or just uptravel?

my bad, in that case - front is about 10" / back is probably 12" or so......

how much VERTICAL travel are you getting?
what springs?
length of shackle?
pics?

If ou measure droop, sitting on flat ground, lifting the truck (so axle and tire weight is pulling down), and then to full compression, our ftoy is ~10" We are inverting the front springs ~4" though. Without inverting, Ill bet you will not see more than 8". Last time I talked to Deaver they were really working to get 8" front a SA truck front end (~45" long springs)

Articulated droop on the spring will measure more, as the spring is being forced downward. I know thats not the measurement you care about though.

Front I get around 9" with National YJ SOA springs
Rear I get 13.5 with Deaver f55's.


With my previous Old Man Emu Rear Springs in front I was getting between 11-13 of vertical travel (15" shocks topped out on articulation).

....I'm assuming you mean full droop to full stuff where the bumps are set right..... Or just uptravel?

yes, bump to droop.

If ou measure droop, sitting on flat ground, lifting the truck (so axle and tire weight is pulling down), and then to full compression, our ftoy is ~10" We are inverting the front springs ~4" though. Without inverting, Ill bet you will not see more than 8". Last time I talked to Deaver they were really working to get 8" front a SA truck front end (~45" long springs)

Articulated droop on the spring will measure more, as the spring is being forced downward. I know thats not the measurement you care about though.

i was getting a good 13" with my minitruck and rears up front but they were fanning and a inch or two in negative arch, similar to your ftoy. im trying to decide if i can get by with a 12" shock. they seem to be cheaper and more common than 14s. i am just trying to avoid shortchanging myself in articulation if i could of avoided it, but as you mentioned its not my main concern.

I'm running 12" shocks up front and a center limit strap.

I'm running 12" shocks up front and a center limit strap.
why the strap?

The springs drop out so far that with a little spring wrap figured in it would bind my 1350 CV up at the t-case. Even with the CV clearanced, it's only good for about 35 degrees.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/01tundra/limitstrap2.jpg

yes, bump to droop.



i was getting a good 13" with my minitruck and rears up front but they were fanning and a inch or two in negative arch, similar to your ftoy. im trying to decide if i can get by with a 12" shock. they seem to be cheaper and more common than 14s. i am just trying to avoid shortchanging myself in articulation if i could of avoided it, but as you mentioned its not my main concern.

For the numbers you want (wheel travel at speed) you need folks to measure spring droop with the axle horizontal. On articulated droop, our axle droops another 3-4" at the spring, because the spring is being leveraged down. VERY different measurement. Droop with the axle level wont be much more than the free arch of the spring.

Ive touched on a bunch of this in our ft44 build thread. I think Ill see next time we take the buggy out, if I can get some good pictures, with measurements, and make a thread to explain what is going on between these measurements.

For the numbers you want (wheel travel at speed) you need folks to measure spring droop with the axle horizontal. On articulated droop, our axle droops another 3-4" at the spring, because the spring is being leveraged down. VERY different measurement. Droop with the axle level wont be much more than the free arch of the spring.

Ive touched on a bunch of this in our ft44 build thread. I think Ill see next time we take the buggy out, if I can get some good pictures, with measurements, and make a thread to explain what is going on between these measurements.

come on, im smarter than that

if deaver is claiming they can only pull 8" of vertical travel then a 12" shocks is more than enough. been seeing a few good deals on 12" shocks and it got me thinking, hence the thread.

Keep in mind the shocks are outboard, so you will use a good bit more shock travel on articulation. I havent measured in a bit, but I think we're using ~12-13 on the front of our ftoy, with 4" wider housing. the more width, and wider the shocks are mounted on the axle the more shock you will use with a given spring.

I used about all of a 15" shock on my last rig in articulation, but that was with a wider axle than a Toy, and there wasn't much up-travel at all as far as straight vertical (2.5-3" Max). I have no idea how much droop there was. Springs were inverted at full stuff.
So FWIW, I would be wanting a 14" shock vs. 12" if I was doing it again or making a recommendation. I think 12" would be fairly easy to max out and limit you a bit.

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/reviews/marlinsprings/front.jpg

I used about all of a 15" shock on my last rig in articulation, but that was with a wider axle than a Toy, and there wasn't much up-travel at all as far as straight vertical (2.5-3" Max). I have no idea how much droop there was. Springs were inverted at full stuff.
So FWIW, I would be wanting a 14" shock vs. 12" if I was doing it again or making a recommendation. I think 12" would be fairly easy to max out and limit you a bit.

after diggin through some builds and staring at a lot suspension setups, it looks like ill have to spend the extra $$$.

I had to run 14"s. It was close, but I had to.

OME rears in the front. They are pretty flat at ride height.

I remeasured mine this weekend - I'm getting 8" of flat travel now with the limit strap. I'm running 12" shocks and using every bit of them, but wouldn't be able to make 14" work without going through the fenderwells.....which isn't a very good option on my rig.

thanks for the update. i only have one innerfender well and have no problems cutting the other one out, so 14s it is.