I'm considering moving the front end forward 6" on my EB. Has anybody done this? Any comments? Was it work the work?

I'm already plannin on moving the rear back 6 inches as well. So this would being me to about 102" wheelbase and very good approach and departure angles.

-Jack

Not a hell of alot involved. You will have to move your coil buckets foward and reweld them to the frame. Be shure to leave access holes on the bucket so you can get at any bolts to the steering box. Cut and extend your radius arms. Make shure you have clearance from the engine, and any crossmembers BEFORE you move the axle foward. Get longer d-shaft and rework your steering so it wont bind. Also create a new mount for your panhard bar. Its a long prosess to extend the front wheelbase, but by no means hard.

Doing the same on mine.. but only 4 inches.... I think the biggest pain you will have is the body mount steering box relation...

Mike-

I wanted to move my front axle forward on my BII, but then I realized I would have to move the steering gear. More trouble than I'm willing to go through at the moment. I would have to beef up my frame etc.....Some day though. On a good note, I would be able to get an oil filter on the motor verses the 90* adapter & remote filter.

Anyway, I think the steering would be the hardest part. Make sure you think it through.

Good luck

I moved mine forward about 4". Steering is your biggest issue. Then cutting out the front grill:D Even minorly cutting was a bitch.
I used offset brackets on the axle to keep the coils somewhat inline with the upper retainers.front axle (http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scottsbent70/lst?.dir=/70%27+bronco/shaved+rc60&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/)
steering (http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scottsbent70/lst?.dir=/70%27+bronco/highsteer&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/)
side profile (http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scottsbent70/vwp?.dir=/70%27+bronco/new&.src=ph&.dnm=almost+done+002.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/scottsbent70/lst%3f%26.dir=/70%2527%2bbronco/new%26.src=ph%26.view=t) before cutting front fender

how are you going to move the rear back?
You can do a shackle flip and run 150's with the short side in the back.

I'm going to do a 4-link susupension using wild horses coils in the rear (same as the fronts).

I'll be grafting the body so that everything still aligns properly.

-Jack

Hey BNTMike, no more snowball?

I'm taking out the front clip and putting in tubing to support the sheet metal. So I'm not worried about the body mount, but I will have to have something around there somewhere.

If you move it forward 4" isn't everything going to hit the cross member or are you removing it.

-Jack

five years of snowball is enough.. trying to let more people know about us up here and have a name that people can relate to.

.... Im running coil overs on the new one so no bucket moving for me and also slapping on a tube clip on it with skin... Im going to ditch the ford stuff in favor of a gm box.... I will have to move the main cross member in the front... but IM not going back to a 460... I have a 88 efi351 with a paxton SC with NOS so that should satisfy my need for speed...;)

Mike-

I moved mine 2.5 inch FWD, With the F-100 Pitman i could go another 1 inch, all of this with out relocating the steering.

Like mike said, i stoped because where i wanted to put the steering box was right where the body mount was. i would of had to cut it off and make a new plate for the steering box, then make a new body mount about 1/2 futher out on the body side.
WAY to much work for me to want to do.
I just added 1.5 to my radius arm VIA a new rear mount idea, then i moved the mount 1 inch FWD. then moved the trac bar FWD.
I left the coil buckets where the were, before the coils learned backward, now they lean foward, big deal IMO

WM, that's a good idea! So can you tell a difference in your wheelin? On the road? How's the approach/departure? Did you move your rear back as well?

Snowball, I mean BNT, did you just cut and reweld the stock cross member? How are you going to attach the new body, dzus clips?

Also, I think you should subscribe to the Broncofix message board. There are a lot of hard core guys on there that don't know about you and you are one of the few specialty shops that specializes in something other than restoration (like performance). People will be interested in hearing from you and that would very likely increase business. In fact, I was asking the people (a few thousand) how people liked your F150 setup and nobody had even heard of that swap! I was suprised.

-Jack

Yeah rear went back 2.5 inchs, I have not had a chance to wheel it, but it should be better, with the massive 97 inch wheel base :p

Did it make a difference in on-road handling? I drive my junk all over the place...

-Jack

Hey Mikey, so much for the mellow daily wheeler huh? You are sounding worse than me now... Oh well, The bronco is still for sale if you know anyone that wants it. I wanna finish it this weekend, and start on the new buggy...

Dimitri

Right now, my BII sits at 95". In the next week or so, Im going to move the front foward by 5" using the method i noted above. Then use the f150 leafs and scoot the ass end back 2.5 inches. BII's have horrid approch and departure angles. Ill be shure to add mesaurments and photos of everything while i do this. :D
Should be fun!

Are you flipping the 150 around to gain the wheelbase or installing them the same way you bII leaves are . Unless you want more lift, I would just flip you current springs around.
In the stock position the bII leaves have an inch greater offset back than the 150's.(short side in the front)

It just dawned on me that if you flip the 150's you will be an inch greater offset than the bII(short side in the back):smokin:

Huh, good info on the springs :D:D

Originally posted by welndmn
I moved mine 2.5 inch FWD, With the F-100 Pitman i could go another 1 inch, all of this with out relocating the steering.



So you're saying that with an f-100 arm, I could move the front fwd about 3.5" and leave the box in the stock position eh? What year is the arm from, or does it matter?


:edit: oh and Jack, update your damn pics over a bfix. I wanna see how you finished your rear inner fenders and wheelwell, and the gas tank:D ...or post em up here

Yeah, the f100 with that stupid long sector shaft uses a very short pitman arm, just go to the junk yard, and look for one from the 70's pick up trucks.

I have moved mine about a total of 5-6 inches fwd now, I used the Scout steering box mounted normal with the pitman arm facing forward, and I think I am going to hate it, it really sticks out

I think moving that far forward without hydro steering would suck. I move the rear back 6" and plan on the front about 3". I think if you move both 6" you will be more like 104".

Originally posted by MXPAZ
I think moving that far forward without hydro steering would suck. I move the rear back 6" and plan on the front about 3". I think if you move both 6" you will be more like 104".

Moved the rear 7.5, I have the whole front disasembled right now too, but will more than likely leave it alone for now just so I can get my crap going:rolleyes:. BUT if all I had to do for steering is go with a different arm for 3.5", I just may do it. Anybody else want to chime in on how much work it took?

Originally posted by MXPAZ
I think moving that far forward without hydro steering would suck. I move the rear back 6" and plan on the front about 3". I think if you move both 6" you will be more like 104".

Add another steering box, its a scout box that turns normal.
but it is going to suck and full hydro will happen one dayhttp://www.wt4wheeling.com/welndmn/images/bronco/axles/DSC02806.JPG

Question about the rear EB shackle flip. I was going to do the Flip and F150 springs...how much will that move the axle back? I want as much as I can get. And...for the people moving the rear back 4+ inches...what are you doing about the gas tank/cross member?

Question about the front and the short F100 arm...are you getting full stop to stop turning still?

1" short side of spring in the front perch.
6" long side of spring in the front perch.

Wow...that much just by flipping the spring. Can you go 6" and still not have clearance issues?

The top of your diff will be directly under the crossmember. So its either cut it, or install some really long bumpstops. The gas tank will prob have to be dealt with also.

That seems like l lot of work, but I will ask. Who has done this and what have they done...pics?

I have seen custom tanks and Fuel cells, but I am more interested in the cross member.

I saw Tim @ Bronco Alley using this box when he extends the wheel base on a customers E.B. so when I moved my front end forward 2” I used the same box keeping it as far back towards the cross member as possible should keep stress on the frame minimized vs. mounting in the stock position putting more stress on an area of the frame all ready known for cracking from stress from the steering box.
As far as handling characteristics I didn’t notice any negative issues from lengthening my wheel base, front end 2” and rear end 2” but the full width axles with typical 15” rims and B.S. did seem to create some minor negative handling issues solved by the 17” rims with 4.5” of B.S.
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I'm in the process of pushing the rear back 1 foot. I cut the wheelwells out and pushed them back and out at the same time. By pushing them out a touch I was able to stuff a Scout II fold and tumble seat in there. The front I'm going to extend about 3 inches. I should end up in the 106-8 inch wheelbase. I think it will be worth it, but it takes some planning, I ditched the rear leaves for coils also, and I have a HP 60 steering axle in the rear.

Coyote11...Pics when you get a chance???

Pics when I get around to it. I just did the mock up assembly on the HP60 rear, it's nice to see it coming together, I will shoot some in about a week when I return home. The rig is not pretty right now, and probably won't be for awhile, but the extended wheelbase is gonna be nice. By the way, the Bronco actually looks really good with the rear shoved back that much, more natural looking if you ask me. I cannot post pics, because of no star, unless I can link too my cousins website. Somone may have to post them up for me.

Here's a little more detail: I bought some Rubicon Express long arms and I'm extending them even further. It works real well on the TJ's so I think it will be fine on mine. Besides the springs I'm using are RE 4.5 TJ coils. 5.0L AOD Dana 20 twin sticked, ARB's front and rear, Hummer rims, HP 60's front and rear. Rear steering with a Subaru pump, I took her completely down to the frame for this, so starting from scratch with all this new stuff.

Nice...Keep us posted and if you need someone to host the pics I can do it for you...just email me. go2camp@comcast.net