Is super fast no load line speed,will pull my samurai around okay. But definetly not the hero status I hear about. Running two odessey pc925 with a 130 amp alternator, about 6 foot long two gauge cables directly from the battery to the winch. It just doesnt pull very hard and stall easily. Motor is rebuilt, by my local starter alternator guy. Pulls the same with the other stock motor I have as well. Any ideas. this is bumming me asI have a very custom mount in my buggy and have taken the time to narrow the drum to fit. Motor does nto get hot nor do the cables or batterys. Any ideas thanks Ryan

the stock motors are super weak but it should still whip that sami around with ease

are you sure you have the batteries wired and switched correctly?

positive to positive, negative to negative for 12 volts....

A buddy of mine has one on his rockwelled buggy and that thing is incredibly strong......:confused::confused:
Is the brake dragging?

Make sure you drum is aligned. They can bind if the outer plate is not straight. The drum should be easily spun in free wheel.



If all else fails you can send it to me and I'll trow it away for you.:flipoff2:

How old is it? If its pre 90's the motor is only 2.5 hp(really weak), sometime in the 90's they doubled the motors hp (better), and now you can get the 6hp(best) motor off the 9500.

Many times rebuilt electrical motors dont produce the power the new originals did. Depends on parts which vary from cheap to ok.. Im using the 6hp on mine with 2.0g cable, a 200amp alternator and 1 battery.. It pulls like no bodys business.

Yea I believe I have a 4 hp motor , I would love a 9500 motor but theyt are like 400 bucks. I will have to check on the drum deal, but wouldnt be slow under no load? Or when you add the tension from the pull it gets worse??

ast i check the motor was $250 from warn and cheaper else where.


i am in the same boat, i smoked my '89 motor serial #133,000.

I think warn wanted 368.00 last I check. foothill motorsports want like 328 I think. But yea I dont know whats up with the power on this thing everyone tells me they are great, and I have seen some do some impressive pulling.

i loved my old one, i bought this one as a spare and got 1 light weight pull out of it.

Yea im going to have to check out if the drum is binding, its the only thing I can think of that makes sence. cause everything else is good,. it goes in and out so im assuming the solinoids work, its fast under no load so the motor seems good. battery voltage and capacity is good. alternator is putting out about 130 amps. So what gives??

Those things are the bomb! Best damn winch ever built.

Have you called Warn yet? Their tech guys are good and happy to help you figure problems out.

i have been studying motor alot lately [ work related education]


if you hav eany interest or any idea of how a motor is wired, here is a run down

all of the copper wire you see in a motor is many individual strands of wire each wrapped many times around the armature body.

each strand is coated in a non conductive resin so that they dont equal one large lump of copper.

one of the things that happens is that when the motor has been over heated it will met that coating and allow the wires to touch, this creats a short and does several things.

it reduces the number of times the current goes around the motor[very important] and it allows current to travle into uncontacted portions of the comutater again reducing the current being properly applied to the motor and not creating the proper magnetic fields.

it is insane the shit i am learning right now.

when you had the motor rebuilt did they rewrap or wrap the armature with fresh wire?

Not I belive he just cleaned it up replaced the broken magnets and stuffed it back together. As for callingn warn I didnt even think about it given the age of the winch but I guess it hasnt really changed that much and im sure theres an old guy or two there that might know.

Just so the price rumors can stop.. Here are the part numbers and the exact prices I paid from Foothill Motorsports. Also this pirate vender was great to deal with, super responsive to private messages as well as here on the board.

Winch Motor Part #68608 = $261.75
BRAKE, SVC. KIT, M8274 Part #8409 = $58.54
HOUSING, LOWER, M8274, S/P Part #8680 = $21.87
GEAR,PINION, SPLINED Part #15879 = $11.19

Yea im going to have to check out if the drum is binding, its the only thing I can think of that makes sence. cause everything else is good,. it goes in and out so im assuming the solinoids work, its fast under no load so the motor seems good. battery voltage and capacity is good. alternator is putting out about 130 amps. So what gives??

How do you know the alternator is actually putting out 130 amps at full pull? Have you actually checked it with a meter?

Reason I ask is this sounds like the battery current is drawing down real fast when you start the pull.. I had this problem on my 200 amp, and it ended up being the fitting I used between the alternator and the 2.0g wire.. The wire was so big, and the fitting so big, that it fit very sloppy on the small alternator post stud.. To fix it I had to remove the tiny stud from the alternator, weld it to an even bigger stud, then put it back together..

If your alternator is not sending 14.5 v or so, and all 130amps at full pull to the batteries that is your problem.. Doubt the drum would be binding if it works on free spool.

Just so the price rumors can stop.. Here are the part numbers and the exact prices I paid from Foothill Motorsports. Also this pirate vender was great to deal with, super responsive to private messages as well as here on the board.

Winch Motor Part #68608 = $261.75
BRAKE, SVC. KIT, M8274 Part #8409 = $58.54
HOUSING, LOWER, M8274, S/P Part #8680 = $21.87
GEAR,PINION, SPLINED Part #15879 = $11.19

Is that the part number for the 6hp motor and gear needed for the upgrade

Is that the part number for the 6hp motor and gear needed for the upgrade

Yes it is. And if anyone needs the Albright Solenoid pack that is made for Warn here is the part number and price.

WARN CONTACTOR, 12V Part #34971 = $168.46

You only need one of these to replace the entire solenoid pack. It is made by Albright for Warn.. It is much larger that the ones used in Europe, and about half the price with todays exchange rates.

/\ /\ Thanks, that was what I was looking for local dealer could not help.

How do you know the alternator is actually putting out 130 amps at full pull? Have you actually checked it with a meter?

Reason I ask is this sounds like the battery current is drawing down real fast when you start the pull.. I had this problem on my 200 amp, and it ended up being the fitting I used between the alternator and the 2.0g wire.. The wire was so big, and the fitting so big, that it fit very sloppy on the small alternator post stud.. To fix it I had to remove the tiny stud from the alternator, weld it to an even bigger stud, then put it back together..

If your alternator is not sending 14.5 v or so, and all 130amps at full pull to the batteries that is your problem.. Doubt the drum would be binding if it works on free spool.


The alternator has been tested both on the bench and in the rig. At the battery and directly at the alternator. Alternator is a modded ford temp one wire unit. direct bolt in swap( pretty cool).All cables are soldiered well, resistence is good.

But it does sound like you are right as is works well when not under load but drops the ball under a heavy load. I cant think of where my power could be going. Is it possible one of the solinoids is sucking juice but still functioning just at a higher amp draw?

How does yours work with the 9.5 motor on it???

There is just not that many things to go wrong with an 8247. I have rebuilt 5 or 6 over the years.. I must admit I haven't had much luck figuring out the solenoid pack thats why I have gone to a solid state Albright..

You know the 8274 can draw 450 amps at full pull.. Maybe the 130amp alt is not enough.. Not sure!

The 9500 motor is incredible.. I added 4" length to the drum to hold more rope, installed a fill & drain plug for oil changes, added the Albright Contactor, a 200 amp alternator, and its more winch than I will ever need on my bronco..

How many amps are getting to the motor? Find a clamp on meter and stick it around the supply cable, and around the motor lead. It sounds like your not supplying it enough juice under load.

Yea I will have to see once its up and running again

Oh and my quote from foothill

Ryan,

1 - Warn 9.5xp Motor Part #68608 = $328.00
8.25% Sales Tax $27.06
Shipping = $35.00

Total shipped to your door = $390.06


If you get a lower quote let me know and I will try and beat it!!!

Thank you,

Jim Richardson
(530) 878-1907
__________________

Oh and my quote from foothill

Ryan,

1 - Warn 9.5xp Motor Part #68608 = $328.00
8.25% Sales Tax $27.06
Shipping = $35.00

Total shipped to your door = $390.06


If you get a lower quote let me know and I will try and beat it!!!

Thank you,

Jim Richardson

(530) 878-1907
__________________

Wow, thats quite a price change in 8 months. I did not pay taxes, and my shipping was a little less. Here is my exact quote: Maybe you should ask him why the big difference!

peewee,

Winch Motor Part #68608 = $261.75
BRAKE, SVC. KIT, M8274 Part #8409 = $58.54
HOUSING, LOWER, M8274, S/P Part #8680 = $21.87
GEAR,PINION, SPLINED Part #15879 = $11.19
Shipping to 77355 = $32.00

Thank you,

Jim Richardson
(530) 878-1907
__________________
Foothill Motorsports
sales@foothillmotorsports.com
www.foothillmotorsports.com
(530) 878-1907

Any chance you have a 24volt 8274?

ehh i dont think so...but i guess anything is possible

Okay update: Fixed it, 1 dead(discharged battery) 1 good battery, 1 bad connection to dead battery, 1 incorrect battery charger(also possibly bad). So with a fixed connection and a AGM specific charger 10 amps for 2.5 hours, to get both batts over 12.34 volts and my winch pulls like the legend its supposed to be.

good.

Good to hear. 8274's kick ass.

Yes it is. And if anyone needs the Albright Solenoid pack that is made for Warn here is the part number and price.

WARN CONTACTOR, 12V Part #34971 = $168.46

You only need one of these to replace the entire solenoid pack. It is made by Albright for Warn.. It is much larger that the ones used in Europe, and about half the price with todays exchange rates.

Warn P/N 68608 is 4.5hp motor. The 16K winch is P/N 68773 is this the 6.5hp motor ?

Warn P/N 68608 is 4.5hp motor. The 16K winch is P/N 68773 is this the 6.5hp motor ?

68608 is the 6hp motor from the 9500xp

68608 is the 6hp motor from the 9500xp

Thats odd Warn parts cataloge shows it as a 4.5hp motor will have to call them direct, Thanks.

Thats odd Warn parts cataloge shows it as a 4.5hp motor will have to call them direct, Thanks.

25 1 68608 MOTOR, 4.5 BOSCH,MH
(Includes item #'s 22, 27, 28, & 39)

marketing 6hp vs bosch 4.5hp ??

back from the dead.


so what the final word? is warn sell the bosh 4.5 as a 6hp?

has anybody tried the 16k 6hp motor yet?

Yes it is. And if anyone needs the Albright Solenoid pack that is made for Warn here is the part number and price.

WARN CONTACTOR, 12V Part #34971 = $168.46

You only need one of these to replace the entire solenoid pack. It is made by Albright for Warn.. It is much larger that the ones used in Europe, and about half the price with todays exchange rates.

PRICE HAS GONE UP NEARLY 80 BUCKS SINCE YOU POSTED THIS ..

http://www.warn.com/store/service_parts.jsp

back from the dead.


so what the final word? is warn sell the bosh 4.5 as a 6hp?

has anybody tried the 16k 6hp motor yet?

The '4.5' on the part description of the 6 hp motor is the diameter of the motor.

PRICE HAS GONE UP NEARLY 80 BUCKS SINCE YOU POSTED THIS ..

http://www.warn.com/store/service_parts.jsp

Check copper and steel prices between '09 and now.

edit: Slow comprehension day for me today. My comment was in reference to the motor.

Check copper and steel prices between '09 and now.

edit: Slow comprehension day for me today. My comment was in reference to the motor.

Go check downtown, someone just built a 40 story highrise with wiring!!

And I thnk japan or china ?? is still underwater/earthquake or something,,