i think it would be cool if someone had a tv show that went around the country,,and world covering crawling, mudding ,trails etc. have real world people in real world 4x4s wheeling. have a segement on the show for new parts,,and a segement on land issues. i watch TRUCKS on TNN and this guy has no idea what he is doing. hes doing just what the producers tell him to. how many people have a shop like that one? all the new crate engines,,lifts,tires,etc laying around. if your shop is like mine, then it is your backyard. throw down some broke cardboard boxes and get to work.:D i just thought it would be nice to have a show dedicated to the 4x4 people and if the people would see that we do try to protect the environment. maybe the tree huggers would find some one else to bitch at. ive never been out west to see the rubicon,moab,,etc except only in the magazines and the pics yall post. i would like to see live coverage of all the events. i dunno,,,,i just think a 4x4 tv show would go over well if it was put together right:confused:

they tried with 4wheeler tv but it got canceled shortly after it's premier for some reason.......it's been supposedly coming back on for the last year or 2 but it's never aired....anyone know what's up with that?

-Scott

Originally posted by 4x4man
4x4 tv



That's the name of the show... Wednesday's at 6:30 PM PST on the Outdoor Channel

Do you guys not get 4x4tv with Doug Meyers???

is this a real wheeler show or is it a "how to get your lexus into 4wheel drive" show?

-Scott

nope,,,i just got the "climb up the telephone pole using my deer stand at midnight and hook up my free cable package"

Yea, it has had some good shows but the last couple have really sucked no wheeling at all just Doug working on his pavement pounder.

I think I have OLN I'll have to check it out next week and see if it's anything good, but so far I'm stuck watching trucks and HPtv on sat.

-Scott

yeah.. direct tv satelite doesnt get that channel. are outdoor channel sucks ass.. its hiking and stuff. direct cable has the good one with 4x4tv.

Originally posted by ChevotaSS
yeah.. direct tv satelite doesnt get that channel. are outdoor channel sucks ass.. its hiking and stuff. direct cable has the good one with 4x4tv.


You are thinking of Outdoor Life Network.... OLN... Not the Outdoor Channel.

Originally posted by 4x4man
i think it would be cool if someone had a tv show that went around the country,,and world covering crawling, mudding ,trails etc.

I agree that a show dedicated to hard core four wheeling would be great. Unfortunately, it all boils down to money. Location/travel type shows such as the one you suggest are expensive to produce. The market for potential sponsors is much more limited than say NASCAR, due to a variety of different reasons, the least of which is that people just haven’t been exposed to hard core wheelin’.

I went to EROCC back in July to see if it would be feasible to televise the finals that are coming up this weekend. There are a number of obstacles, the biggest of which is that football season is here. The network I work for is producing the MTSU @ Tennessee PPV, so a TV crew that we would otherwise be able to pull from Knoxville is tied up. The terrain is not “TV friendly”, and there simply wasn’t enough time to get sponsors. I hope to work with the folks at EROCC for sponsorship and to try and get the finals on next year. I think it would be a good start . . .

I have Dish Net and get OLN...the 4X4TV is okay, but usually a bit lame...this wek they played with an Axiom......and talked to Spector offroad and then watched a guy recover some seats for a LC....the opening and ad always show rock crawling competition.
The host is the same guy that does the 4 wheelerTV show for ATV guys.....usually those are back to back shows....
500 channels for $50/month...and there's never anything to watch, just ask my kids....

Originally posted by tvguy
The terrain is not “TV friendly”, and there simply wasn’t enough time to get sponsors. I hope to work with the folks at EROCC for sponsorship and to try and get the finals on next year. I think it would be a good start . . .

I agree this would be a great start. But, don't forget the rest of the 4-wheeling public. In this part of the country, Mud RULES. Obviously, the fact that it's everywhere plays a part in that. We put on some really great events around here, and the good thing is that the stadium setup is very TV friendly. I'm doing an invitation-only race in October with participants from a dozen states taking part, some real heavy hitters too (lots of national record holders). Would be a great TV event. And how's this for a serious race - September of 2004, we're putting together a race with a $150,000 prize purse. Hmm, that's what TRIPLE the purse of the SuperCrawl? :flipoff2: Get some sponsors lined up & we'll push this thing forward into 2003 :D


TEX

4x4TV was a good idea. They need a new host though. That guy is pretty bad. Either that or they just don't edit the shows. Oh and they need to cut out the "filler" crap that involves taking Explorers over dirt mounds.

Originally posted by 84 SheepDog
4x4TV was a good idea. They need a new host though. That guy is pretty bad. Either that or they just don't edit the shows. Oh and they need to cut out the "filler" crap that involves taking Explorers over dirt mounds.

Removing that "filler"...Not going to happen. Think that a handfull of hardcore wheelers can sustain a show? It would be nice, but it isn't going to work. Need to cover all bases of wheeleing in order to get the needed viewers/support.

I just want Outdoor Channel available on my cable system so I can watch Exploders going over dirt mounds instead of 24 hours of golf or food channels....

Originally posted by Pavemen


Removing that "filler"...Not going to happen. Think that a handfull of hardcore wheelers can sustain a show? It would be nice, but it isn't going to work. Need to cover all bases of wheeleing in order to get the needed viewers/support.


ENNNGGGGG, wrong answer. Well sorta. No, the filler isn't going away. But, the "casual" 4-wheeler isn't the reason. Nope, FORD likes to see Explorers in those shows, DC likes to see stock Grand Cherokees in those shows, GM likes to see Silverados in those shows. And those people put up the sponsor $$$$. That's why the filler won't go away.


TEX

Originally posted by TEX


ENNNGGGGG, wrong answer. Well sorta. No, the filler isn't going away. But, the "casual" 4-wheeler isn't the reason. Nope, FORD likes to see Explorers in those shows, DC likes to see stock Grand Cherokees in those shows, GM likes to see Silverados in those shows. And those people put up the sponsor $$$$. That's why the filler won't go away.


TEX

I see you rpoint, but (isn't there always on here) if no one is going to watch it, then those companies will quit sponsoring it. There needs tobe a reason for the companies to put their time and more importantly their money into it.

Originally posted by Pavemen


Removing that "filler"...Not going to happen. Think that a handfull of hardcore wheelers can sustain a show? It would be nice, but it isn't going to work. Need to cover all bases of wheeleing in order to get the needed viewers/support.

I just want Outdoor Channel available on my cable system so I can watch Exploders going over dirt mounds instead of 24 hours of golf or food channels....

Um, yes I actually do. They have to have miniscule production costs and they are on the outdoor channel at the worst times available. How many members does this BB support? And I guaruntee there are many others that would watch.

Originally posted by 4x4man
i think it would be cool if someone had a tv show that went around the country,,and world covering crawling, mudding ,trails etc. have real world people in real world 4x4s wheeling. have a segement on the show for new parts,,and a segement on land issues. i watch TRUCKS on TNN and this guy has no idea what he is doing. hes doing just what the producers tell him to. how many people have a shop like that one? all the new crate engines,,lifts,tires,etc laying around. if your shop is like mine, then it is your backyard. throw down some broke cardboard boxes and get to work.:D i just thought it would be nice to have a show dedicated to the 4x4 people and if the people would see that we do try to protect the environment. maybe the tree huggers would find some one else to bitch at. ive never been out west to see the rubicon,moab,,etc except only in the magazines and the pics yall post. i would like to see live coverage of all the events. i dunno,,,,i just think a 4x4 tv show would go over well if it was put together right:confused:

Originally posted by 4x4man
..... i watch TRUCKS on TNN and this guy has no idea what he is doing. hes doing just what the producers tell him to. how many people have a shop like that one? :

Soory about the previous post without the text, don't quite know what happened.

The guy, Stacy something or antoher, is the producer. Check the credits at the end of the show. He's still a :clown2: but I'd still like to have his job.

A few years back Rick Russell made a series of TV shows of real wheelers on different trails that were shown on something like the Outdoor Network. Anybody ever see them? Were they any good?

Originally posted by Pavemen


I see you rpoint, but (isn't there always on here) if no one is going to watch it, then those companies will quit sponsoring it. There needs tobe a reason for the companies to put their time and more importantly their money into it.

Well, hard to say. Sometimes the weirdest stuff gets on TV. I once saw some BMX bike thing on NBC that they ran instead of the Winston Cup race (which aired on TNT). There couldn't have been even 200 spectators at this event & here it was pre-empting an audience of 200,000 live, and who knows how many TV viewers.

GM sponsors drag racing & so does Ford. But, they put their money more behind specific sanctioning bodies that are smaller than NHRA & IHRA. You flip on the SPEED channel & see like 50 people sitting in the stands at one of these Mustang events & here it is on TV with all these sponsors. Meanwhile, I put on a mud race with 4,700 spectators & NMRO does one with 20,000 spectators, & nobody even wanted to come take pictures? WTF?

I honestly think that if someone were to go head to head with one of these "4x4" shows with some SERIOUS action, they'd quickly murder the "fluff" shows in ratings. Problem is, these "fluff" shows are the only game in town. And as long as that's the case, the advertisers have more control over the content. When there is competition, then the advertisers have to go back the shows that have ratings & worry less about the content.


TEX

who's got the money to get behind this, the cost to get it done is not outragious. I work for Fox Sports in Chicago, have been doing the TV thing for coming close to 15 years. I have the same ideas to show an all around offroad show. It takes time, but you have to make it appeal to many people. You can do an all offroad show, it just means showing really great footage that doesn't slow down. This is what keeps it from having to have the sleeper fill crap. Sponsershipd do not have to be the big boys(ford gm and such), look at a lot of little shops to help sponsor, or companies like WARN. I could throw out a number of $30,000 with the knowledge that I have of the industry, and technology, you could buy all the equipment you would need to create the show, then you would just need the sponsors to help with the cost of getting the show on the air at a descent time. Think of a show that runs for 30 minutes, and covers crawling in Moab, river wading in Iceland, dune blasting in Europe, and jungle trekking in South america. If you were able to provide a variety like this, (a very extravigent example), you would pull in the audience you need, and the larger sponsors. I'm all game, just need some backing......

IT'S 4X4TV AND IT IS ALSO ON THURSDAY @6:30AM, THE GUY LIVES NEAR THE HAMMERS, AND COVERS ALL THE RCAA EVENTS. i'VE GOT MOST OF THE SHOWS ON TAPE(AND NO YOU CAN'T BORROW THEM), AND WATCH THEM FREQUENTLY!!!! THE GUY IS HARD CORE IN TO PRODUCING A GOOD SHOW THAT COVERS STOCK VEHICLES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE MANUFACTURERSAND THEN TESTED IN REAL WORLD MILD OFFROAD SITUATIONS, AND THEN FLAMED ON THEIR BAD POINTS, AND PRAISED ON THEIR GOOD POINTS. IN MY BOOK HE GETS TOP BILLING FOR GOING OUT ON A LIMB AND TRYING TO FILL A NEED IN THE MARKET. HE SOLD HIS TRAIL RIG TO START THIS SHOW AND THAT'S GOT TO COUNT FOR SOMETHING!!!

Guess what????? someone has heard your call and is producing a new show highlighting the positive aspects of the OHV Community. The production is being Filmed at this time!!!! Out of Boulder Colorado!!!!! If you would like more information on the program or, if you would be interested in being a Sponsor of the show You can request information atOHVTV@AOL.COM

Personally I think a verity of off road cable channel would work. Rock Crawling is great but I would love a channel that covers every thing from monster trucks racing, to robot wars to mud racing, sand drags, and such. I think this would be an exiting mix that would bring in lots of viewers.

Well you have to start somwhere hopefully it will go to that

Originally posted by nobody20


A few years back Rick Russell made a series of TV shows of real wheelers on different trails that were shown on something like the Outdoor Network. Anybody ever see them? Were they any good?

If you want to view them, the shows are all located on his website.Sidekick Off-Road (http://www.sidekickoffroad.com/) As with anything else some are better than others.

Originally posted by ChevotaSS
yeah.. direct tv satelite doesnt get that channel. are outdoor channel sucks ass.. its hiking and stuff. direct cable has the good one with 4x4tv.

They do now I just ordered the outdoor channel for $1.98 I think it was per month. It is channel 606 on direct tv and they had rock crawling compotition this week.:D :D

did you guys catch the rockcrawling on espn2 this morning?

4x4tv is covering CRCA events. The first show should air in March,on the OUTDOOR CHANNEL.
I did not see the event on ESPN2 but I heard that it was pretty weak. The phone was ringing off the hook, So somebody watched it.
4x4tv will be at the January 11, event with multiple camera crews.
I'm looking forward to seeing the proof next week as I don't have the outdoor channel either. For more info, dates and times go to
http://www.californiarockcrawlersassociation.com

Jeff