Wil a Viper V10 bolt up to a 01 6spd tranny? Just thinking evil thoughts...

What kind of truck is it going in?

Yeah it will bolt up to a 6 speed - a T56:D Actually the autos are a 48RE which is the same as the diesels, just dont know if the bolt pattern is the same. Hey if you are serious I am going to have a complete motor with all the accesories topped with a Roe supercharger for sale pretty soon. It just needs some bottom end issues addressed. I dont have it out yet so Im not sure how bad it is yet. I was gonna keep it for a buggy but Ill probably just stay with my aluminum small block.

01 dodge 2500
its a diesel now but I'm $8000 from making the power I want (500hp, 1000ft.lbs) that same money will buy a gen III viper motor and leave money to do some work on it. Plus I imagine its substantially lighter which will improve the off road handling and no more driving for a half hour to find diesel when I'm in so-cal.:flipoff2:

origional build thread
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=709555

01 dodge 2500
its a diesel now but I'm $8000 from making the power I want (500hp, 1000ft.lbs) that same money will buy a gen III viper motor and leave money to do some work on it. Plus I imagine its substantially lighter which will improve the off road handling and no more driving for a half hour to find diesel when I'm in so-cal.:flipoff2:

You wont get 1000 ft lbs out of a Viper motor (stock anyway)... Youd be at about the 1000 hp number before you hit 1k tq...

Itd be a badass swap though!! It would save a lot of weight, too, over the Cummins.

Foolishness.

Each time I hear someone say "I want to replace my Cummins with a ________." I think to myself that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

If you don't want the Cummins, I'll take it lol and you can have my 440 if you want to dump 8k into something.

:shaking:Or..you could sell your diesel truck and buy something lighter (since that seems to be what you are concerned with) I am sure you don't tow or you probably wouldnt be considering this idea

Seriously, how much extra do you think it costs to buy a viper enginer SIMPLY because it came out of a viper....I bet you could build a better engine for less money.

hell 8k would be a nice chunk of a down payment on a used srt10 ram. ive seen the quad cabs go as low as 22k. sell cummins 6spd and take 8k and i bet yod'd be better off.

What I want to know is how he came to the conclusion that he needed to spend $8k to make 550hp in a Cummins?!?

I will agree that the Cummins is a heavy motor and a poor choice for a wheeler IMHO, which it sounds like what he wants to do with the truck. I am always baffled by the guys who think a Cummins would be a good motor selection for this kind of application...

What I want to know is how he came to the conclusion that he needed to spend $8k to make 550hp in a Cummins?!?

Yeah I've been adding up parts, even the big names bling crap and can't spend more than $4k to get to 500hp...and that was being generous:confused:

Did you guys even read the link to his build thread? It is a part time work truck and chase truck. I bet a Viper engine would fully get it.
Travis..

what about buying an entire dodge truck with a 12v for $4k off c-list, swap the motor, then put $2k into the motor?

just an option:smokin:

a 6BT, with $2k into it will thump out some serious torque:D

if you do end up doing the viper motor, it will still be awsome

I read it and got that too.....BUT why on earth would you put a all aluminum premium fuel gulping V10 in a work/chase truck? If it were a trailer queen, Hell yea swap it in along with a T56 and go haul ass. Its not exactly economic to be blowing $80+ a fill up and getting 7-8 mpg? cause you'd have to wind it up pretty good if you hauled anything more than ass ;-)

what about buying an entire dodge truck with a 12v for $4k off c-list, swap the motor, then put $2k into the motor?

just an option:smokin:

a 6BT, with $2k into it will thump out some serious torque:D

if you do end up doing the viper motor, it will still be awsome


Why not just leave the 01 24v 6spd alone and go find a 70s crew cab to drop the v10 in for a play toy? Or swap said 24v into crewcab and make it a chase truck? Either way its gonna cost $$...

I love pirate

Everyone is an expert no-one has anything usefull to say

( sorry to those who helped)

It says "Just thinking evil thoughts" in the start of the thread

Yeah if you want 500 bomb proof hp done right you've got a shit ton of money to spend on a 24v to get there. If you want to occasionally smoke a tuner car its a different story.

I my life strange shit comes my way... like viper motors, if I happened to have the opertunity to pick one up I would like to know what I might be able to stuff it into.

To the rich crannium that wonders how I got pricing on the motor... there's this thing called the I N T E R N E T its amazing how many things are on it other than Pirate and porn, try it sometime.

I also like to weigh all options no matter how ridiculous they are, how do you think the first moon buggy got buit.
John Nelson surely didn't copy anything he heard or read here.

For those of you with the "if I had that money i'd..." no-one ever got anywhere whining on Pirate.

put that whine to use and call a government agency that cares

Now I'm going to go waste some more of my money:flipoff2:

Maybe put a Scat motor in a subaru justy...yeah

Or restore a YUGO with a big block and 60's

Put some swampers on my Gulfstream...Yeah...

Thanks to those who helped out

Well you can stuff anything into anything....but when you are building a part time chase truck, 8 mpg don't seem to fit the bill. But hey more power to ya! But I'm just one of those experts.......

And I repeat:

Foolishness.

well you can stuff anything into anything....but when you are building a part time chase truck, 8 mpg don't seem to fit the bill. But hey more power to ya! But i'm just one of those experts.......

and i repeat:

Foolishness.

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I don't know for sure if the engine will bolt on or not... but the person that would is the guy that runs Burnsville Offroad in Minnesota. He is the one that built the red Viper TJ that was in Top Truck Challenge in '99.....
http://www.burnsvilleoffroad.com/Articles/02_17_07.aspx
Quote from the build:
"So here is how it was built---8.3 litre Viper motor, 48RE auto transmission,.."
That tells me that the transmission bell housing pattern is most likely the same... I have sent a few e-mails to Burnsville, the owner's name is Dan McKeag... nice guy that was more than happy to reply to e-mails about V-10 engine swaps.
Hope that helps you out a little bit.
Matt

AFAIK the aluminum V-10 uses the same bolt pattern as the Iron one, so you can get the Viper V-10 bolted to the trans. Flywheel and clutch would have to be sorted out. Jim Bult has a TH400 behind the 600HP Viper engine in his TT (#47). So that is another option, along with the trans from a SRT-10 Quad cab if you want to go auto. I love the Iron V-10 in my 99 2500. I sold a 99 24V motor and bought this truck and have never looked back.

I thought all the SRT-10s were a 6 speed manual?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just got done looking it up int he manual. Seem the QuadCab version did get a 4 speed auto. I learned something new today. We never had a QuadCab because it took forever to sell the regular cab 6 speed one we had. Mainly due to the fact that it was useless since even my SRT-4 was quicker in 1/4 and less than half the cost.

I thought all the SRT-10s were a 6 speed manual?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just got done looking it up int he manual. Seem the QuadCab version did get a 4 speed auto. I learned something new today. We never had a QuadCab because it took forever to sell the regular cab 6 speed one we had. Mainly due to the fact that it was useless since even my SRT-4 was quicker in 1/4 and less than half the cost.



Wow you must have a factory freak of a SRT-4!! The best ever time I have ever seen for a stock SRT-4 Neon is a 13.70, while the SRT-10 RC I've seen in the 12.90s. Here are a couple of stock times I found with a quick search.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-RAM-SRT10-Timeslip-8632.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Neon-SRT-4-Timeslip-9091.html

I would have bought a Quadcab IF I could have gotten a stick, I needed the rear seat, so I ended up with a SRT-4 ACR and a 99 Ram V-10 Quad Cab instead. With the Mopar Stage 3 W/Toys, its a good run with stock SRT-10 RC Rams. Mod the Ram and its all over.

My fault, I meant to say 0-60 times, not 1/4 mile. That's what I get for posting and watching TV. I will say it's still much cheaper to mod the SRT-4 than a SRT-10. But that is the strong point of the SRT-4 is bang for the buck. The SRT-10 truck got a lot of attention in the showroom, much more than the SRT-4, but half a dozen dreamers couldn't get financing and others wouldn't pay the price for what they were getting. We finally sold it to another dealer from Texas who claimed he was collecting them. I still think of them as a very expensive toy. It might be ok as a drag truck with a lot of suspension mods or a cruiser to show off but it's sort of useless other than that.

Yeah man i hope you keep those evil thoughts in ur head and leave your nice cummins flatbed the way it is.

....Yeah if you want 500 bomb proof hp done right you've got a shit ton of money to spend on a 24v to get there. If you want to occasionally smoke a tuner car its a different story.....

Uh, no you don't...

Seriously, 500hp doesn't take much to make and make it reliably. You just have to do your homework and make educated buys rather than buying the hyped up expensive stuff. There is no reason why you can't have a good, high horsepower Cummins that you can tow with as well as race.

Think p-pump and twins...

Uh, no you don't...

Seriously, 500hp doesn't take much to make and make it reliably. You just have to do your homework and make educated buys rather than buying the hyped up expensive stuff. There is no reason why you can't have a good, high horsepower Cummins that you can tow with as well as race.

Think p-pump and twins...

He has on 01, twins and a P-pump are not going to be cheap, when I looked into that for my 99 the total cost was going to be ~5000.00 when all was said and done. This was pricing from Piers. Not to mention the price of clutch or trans mods.

My fault, I meant to say 0-60 times, not 1/4 mile. That's what I get for posting and watching TV. I will say it's still much cheaper to mod the SRT-4 than a SRT-10. But that is the strong point of the SRT-4 is bang for the buck. The SRT-10 truck got a lot of attention in the showroom, much more than the SRT-4, but half a dozen dreamers couldn't get financing and others wouldn't pay the price for what they were getting. We finally sold it to another dealer from Texas who claimed he was collecting them. I still think of them as a very expensive toy. It might be ok as a drag truck with a lot of suspension mods or a cruiser to show off but it's sort of useless other than that.

I think you are still wrong even with the 0-60 times. The SRT-4's strong suit is NOT the launch. Bog the motor or wheel spin and wheelhop. The suspension on the SRT-10 is very well sorted out, 3500 RPM Dump the clutch and floor it it hooks amazingly well for a pickup truck. I know, I have a modded SRT-4 and my neighbor has an SRT-10 Ram. I take it you've never driven a SRT ram? You owe it to yourself if you ever get a chance, (Especially at a road course) You go into a corner thinking I'll NEVER make this, and you are through. It was especially fun at Gingermann, passing Spec Miatas anywhere on the track, even corners. The RC SRT ram is much better than it was ever given credit for.

Back to the V-10 swap. In the Trophy truck the V-10 was actually gettting about 15-20% better milage than the 600 HP Small block it replaced in race conditions.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/kartmanaz/BAJA%201000%202008/rdc/DSC_9627-2-01.jpg

Out of all the srt stuff besides the viper....gc srt8 ftw. I have smoked srt rams no problem along with srt chargers, 300c, havent got the chance for a challanger yet. AWD kicks ass

I have measured it out and I believe that it will with very vew issues.

I say go for it...partly cuz it would be sweet, partly cuz it would be a BLAST to drive...but MOSTLY cuz people say you are crazy for thinking of doing it!

I have wanted to do a build like that for quite some time...only because I like doing what others don't want to because it doesn't make sense in their mind...like my old 12.90 second '76 Chrysler New Yorker:D

The 0-60 times are 5.6 for the SRT-4 and 5.9 for the SRT-10 6 speed. The lack of traction seems to hurt the truck more than the SRT-4. I will agree that the SRT-4 is tricky to launch when it counts, but it does grab pretty quickly even when just dumped. The one time I drove the SRT-10 and was able to "get on it" (it was owned by the dealership) it just wanted to abuse the rear tires. Much like the Viper, there was a very fine line between acceleration and just sitting there roasting the tires and drifting sideways on the line. I also really did not like the shifter and console setup in the SRT-10. It was just weird feeling and sort of reminded me of a HMMWV if someone put a manual transmission in it. I never got the chance to push the SRT-10 into a turn, but I'll be honest, trucks that handle make me nervous as the ones I have driven tend to be ok to a point and then are very unpredictable after that.

Our tiny dealership actually had at least one of each of the SRT vehicles that were out when I was working there. The Viper, Ram, Charger and SRT-4 were all showroom models for the dealership and we had customers order a Magnum and Grand Cherokee. The GC was the only one I didn't get a chance to sneak in and drive and I really wanted to with the AWD. It was ordered for the business partner of the dealer's owner, basically the man with all the money backing the dealer, and it was put upstairs as soon as it came in and then was brought down one evening for dealer prep, loaded into an enclosed trailer and sent to Florida.

He has on 01, twins and a P-pump are not going to be cheap, when I looked into that for my 99 the total cost was going to be ~5000.00 when all was said and done. This was pricing from Piers. Not to mention the price of clutch or trans mods.

Like I said, it isn't going to be cheap if you don't do your homework and buy everything from a big name shop. The turbos that most of the shops sell can be sourced elsewhere for a fraction of the cost and the piping and bracketry hand built. I have less than $1500 in my compound twin setup (probably closer to $1200) and that is using two brand new turbos too.

A p-pump conversion isn't that expensive when you consider the cost of a typical rebuilt VP44. Then you start saving money after that point because the tuning parts to tune a p7100 are much cheaper than the chips and programmers needed to tune a VP44 and you'll still come up short. If the OP were to do the conversion before he actually needs an IP he should be able to sell the VP and other parts to offset the conversion cost. If you shop for deals I think it would be relatively easy to do a conversion for less than $1500, and I have heard some people claim that they have gotten their conversion done for closer to $1000. I'd imagine that a person would have to be in the right place at the right time for that to happen though.

I dont think any of the haters are even considering the weight balance of the truck by ditching the cummins. Why do you think the KORE guys went to a hemi powered race truck? I am a hardcore Cummins guy for tow rigs but this is no longer a tow rig, it's a chase rig as in FAST. And how often would you ever be far enough from the pits for 8MPG and 32 gallons not to be sufficient. But in your money wasting fashion and the Viper homage you will be going 24"s right?:flipoff2:

Out of all the srt stuff besides the viper....gc srt8 ftw. I have smoked srt rams no problem along with srt chargers, 300c, havent got the chance for a challanger yet. AWD kicks ass

Yes the Gran Gherokee SRT-8 is a beast, I bought one for my wife to drive to work, it is even more of a beast when you add Ported heads, Ported Intake, Cam, Kooks Longtube headers and Dyno tuning. Runs 11.90s in the 1/4 now.
The SRT-4 has the Mopar Stage3 turbo ported by F&F with a 47Lb impeller wheel, Ported intake, Turbo back exhaust, big FMIC, and meth/water/nitro injection. It runs 11.70s in the 1/4, but the Jeep is waay ahead until ~ 800 ft down the track and the skittle gets it sh!t together.
My backyard:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/murfman_photo/DSC01490.jpg

My Ram is also getting set up as a pre-run/chase vehicle with 2.5" kings, etc... And yes, it too will be black when its done.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/murfman_photo/ram/DSC01288.jpg

I've also got a 500 Cuin 440 powered 1950 Chrysler Highlander coupe, a 1953 Plymouth Wagon with a built 218 CuIn flathead six (project), a 51 Willys Chassis Cowl, and a 72 SuperBeetle(Pr0ject)

Like I said, it isn't going to be cheap if you don't do your homework and buy everything from a big name shop. The turbos that most of the shops sell can be sourced elsewhere for a fraction of the cost and the piping and bracketry hand built. I have less than $1500 in my compound twin setup (probably closer to $1200) and that is using two brand new turbos too.

A p-pump conversion isn't that expensive when you consider the cost of a typical rebuilt VP44. Then you start saving money after that point because the tuning parts to tune a p7100 are much cheaper than the chips and programmers needed to tune a VP44 and you'll still come up short. If the OP were to do the conversion before he actually needs an IP he should be able to sell the VP and other parts to offset the conversion cost. If you shop for deals I think it would be relatively easy to do a conversion for less than $1500, and I have heard some people claim that they have gotten their conversion done for closer to $1000. I'd imagine that a person would have to be in the right place at the right time for that to happen though.

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I dont think any of the haters are even considering the weight balance of the truck by ditching the cummins. Why do you think the KORE guys went to a hemi powered race truck? I am a hardcore Cummins guy for tow rigs but this is no longer a tow rig, it's a chase rig as in FAST. And how often would you ever be far enough from the pits for 8MPG and 32 gallons not to be sufficient. But in your money wasting fashion and the Viper homage you will be going 24"s right?:flipoff2:


atleast 26s....:shaking:

Yes the Gran Gherokee SRT-8 is a beast, I bought one for my wife to drive to work, it is even more of a beast when you add Ported heads, Ported Intake, Cam, Kooks Longtube headers and Dyno tuning. Runs 11.90s in the 1/4 now.
The SRT-4 has the Mopar Stage3 turbo ported by F&F with a 47Lb impeller wheel, Ported intake, Turbo back exhaust, big FMIC, and meth/water/nitro injection. It runs 11.70s in the 1/4, but the Jeep is waay ahead until ~ 800 ft down the track and the skittle gets it sh!t together.
My backyard:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/murfman_photo/DSC01490.jpg

My Ram is also getting set up as a pre-run/chase vehicle with 2.5" kings, etc... And yes, it too will be black when its done.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/murfman_photo/ram/DSC01288.jpg

I've also got a 500 Cuin 440 powered 1950 Chrysler Highlander coupe, a 1953 Plymouth Wagon with a built 218 CuIn flathead six (project), a 51 Willys Chassis Cowl, and a 72 SuperBeetle(Pr0ject)

Nice stable:D

Like I said, it isn't going to be cheap if you don't do your homework and buy everything from a big name shop. The turbos that most of the shops sell can be sourced elsewhere for a fraction of the cost and the piping and bracketry hand built. I have less than $1500 in my compound twin setup (probably closer to $1200) and that is using two brand new turbos too.

A p-pump conversion isn't that expensive when you consider the cost of a typical rebuilt VP44. Then you start saving money after that point because the tuning parts to tune a p7100 are much cheaper than the chips and programmers needed to tune a VP44 and you'll still come up short. If the OP were to do the conversion before he actually needs an IP he should be able to sell the VP and other parts to offset the conversion cost. If you shop for deals I think it would be relatively easy to do a conversion for less than $1500, and I have heard some people claim that they have gotten their conversion done for closer to $1000. I'd imagine that a person would have to be in the right place at the right time for that to happen though.

I swapped a P-pump onto a first gen Cummins diesel, and it cost ~3000.00 prices may be cheaper now, but I doubt it would be 1/2 the price (Pump, Custom lines, timing housing, injectors) + there is the PITA of pulling the cam to change the timing housing, etc..

And back to the OP, the aluminum V-10 will take some serious weight off the front of the truck, The Viper V-10 (3rd and 4th gen) weigh ~500 Lbs, compared to ~ 1000 Lbs for the Cummins. 500 Lbs would be huge in letting the truck work well at speed.

I swapped a P-pump onto a first gen Cummins diesel, and it cost ~3000.00 prices may be cheaper now, but I doubt it would be 1/2 the price (Pump, Custom lines, timing housing, injectors) + there is the PITA of pulling the cam to change the timing housing, etc..

And back to the OP, the aluminum V-10 will take some serious weight off the front of the truck, The Viper V-10 (3rd and 4th gen) weigh ~500 Lbs, compared to ~ 1000 Lbs for the Cummins. 500 Lbs would be huge in letting the truck work well at speed.

Like I said before, you would have to take your time and make smart buys to get a p-pump swap done without spending a ton of money. A lot of people buy a complete 12 valve motor and sell the remainder of it when they are done with the swap to offset the costs. $3k to swap a pump onto a motor is too high IMHO.

I agree that a Cummins is not a good choice for an off road vehicle due to its weight (see my first post in this thread). I think it would be a wiser idea to either deal with what he has or sell it (since diesel trucks hold their value better than gassers) and start over with a v10 truck or something similar.

I would just sell the cummins truck ( they always get bought) and just buy a nice V10 truck. I just got done with mine, new heads, K and N filter, stainless headers, hollow cats, Gibson exhaust, ( wanted the MP cam but couldnt find one to save my life, and really didnt want to pay 650 dollars from a few manufacturers who needed cam cores). I run 23585r16 KM2's with 3.55 gears behind a 4500. the truck isnt the fastest thing, but at close to 6700 lbs and prob . around 335 horsepower/ 475 ft lb.s its what I expected. I did the whole suspension over for towing and plowing, the only thing I have left to do is new gears (4.56 or 4.88) and a Borgeson steering shaft. I first thought I could use more horsepower and torque, but then thought, reliable, runs on 87 octane gas, gets 11-13 mpg, can drive anywhere with a trailer affordably(and comfortably, I am totally happy with the ride quality). I think the VIO is a fine engine, I just wish the aftermarket would have went further with it as well as Chrysler keeping it in a regular truck (nothing against the hemi, just I like big cubic inch gas motors). You sometimes gotta come to happy medium and decide what do you truly need, will I/ can I ever use the power I have reliably, and does it fit the budget. Hope everything works your way.