First of all i searched all 17 pages of results for full widths.
I trying to decide if i will be able to have full width axles and be able tod drive on the road without the tires sticking out too far.
I am thinking the narrowest of fullwidth and less of a backspacing might make it possible.
ANother alternative would be using early bronco axles or getting some fullwidths narrowed.
Im trying to find the cheapest way. Im probaly going to go with a d44 and 9 inch rear.
WHat would u all do?

oh ya pics would help
thanks

hummer wheels. FSJ J20 axles. But I'm still a newbie so don't mind me.

what kind of vehicle and what size tires?

oh ya a yj with probaly a 14.50 tire.
I havnt decided on rims.

D44 Waggy with HD 44 Outer (8lug)
14 Bolt C&C Full Floater
3.5 Backspacing wheels.
Grind the shit out of the calipers.
Oh and:flipoff2: Just cause your a newbie!

'81 and up Waggy Dana 44 front, Early Bronco 9" rear, or Early F-100 9", the EB 9" is 58.5" wide, 2" narrower than stock YJ. the F-100 is 63" wide, but the Waggy front is 60" wide. If you're set on full-size full width you're looking at roughly 67" wide, look at late seventies F-250's with leaf springs, drivers drop HP Dana 44 with spring pads on top, usualy have flat top knuckles and 5 on 5.5 F-150 stuff bolts right on, or run eight lug with those HUGE dual piston calipers.

I really dont want full width but i cant afford as custom axle.
The waggys seem like the way to go.
DO u think they will hold up to 38's and a small block?
I think i have a line on a 9 inch ill have to check the witdth on it first though
thanks


and by the way who are these newbies you guys talk about?:flipoff2:

the biggest increase in width seems to come from wheel selection followed by tires selection. If you ran std full width axles with a 12.5" wide tire on a 8" rim, I bet you'd be pretty happy with the results. Another thing: keep the flares on (Not the aftermarket, too width, screaming to get ripped off, ones either!)

youll want a big rim, a 16 or 16.5, Tire cost can be more over the 15in but with 15in you will need 3.5in BS (pretty wide) and Im still wating on my 15X8 8lub with 3.5s wim order for 5 weeks, so keep that in mind, yea there a good solution but will take forever to get to your house.

Get the 16in rim or hummer rims 16.5 beadlocks with what is it 5.5in BS.

With the 65in WMS axles and 3.5in BS on 8in rims and 1250 tire I will be 10.5in wider then my jeep with factory rims and axles. The front will be alittle wider.

If you don't go eight lug you won't have to grind a thing. I have an eight lug 44, 15" wheels with 3.5" backspacing and didn't have to grind much at all. Sticking with five or six lug eliminates the need to gring anything.

Originally posted by MASTER_of_DISASTER
I really dont want full width but i cant afford as custom axle.
The waggys seem like the way to go.
DO u think they will hold up to 38's and a small block?
I think i have a line on a 9 inch ill have to check the witdth on it first though
thanks


and by the way who are these newbies you guys talk about?:flipoff2:
I would answer yes to that question. It will hold up to 38 and a small block. With a axle mod and u-joint mod. I know I know more money!:flipoff2:

On my CJ7 I went with a FF truck 14 bolt at the stock width and Hummer wheels w/ 38*12.50 swampers. The tires stick almost 6" outside the tub. With the YJ it would be close enough to covered by the stock flairs to be legal. At the front I used the matching Dana 60 which was narrowed 4" on the long side (to make the diff-springpad line up) and 2" spacers so the steering clears the Hummer wheels (and protects the hub). I'm very happy with the outcome. The Hummer wheel offset makes a big difference, and my tires aren't wide.

ok thanks alot for all the info.
ILl probaly stay away from the 8 lug.

I dont really want to run a 12.50 tire on a 8 inch rim because i run alot of sand around here locallyand thats just skinny.
It seems if i could find waggy front and a little narrower 9 inch in the rear it would be a good setup.
What are the chances of finding a waggy front? what about the narrow track.? WHat about the x fer case to match up with the pass side diff?
What do you all think will be the best way for me to do this without a currie or some other brand built axle?

Originally posted by MASTER_of_DISASTER
What are the chances of finding a waggy front? what about the narrow track.? WHat about the x fer case to match up with the pass side diff?

Waggies are all over in the junkyards. Hit the pick n pulls for the best deals. All Waggie 44's are narrow track. If you look at '80-91 waggies they are driver's side drop, so you use your existing t-case. Do a search on Waggie 44. It's been covered over and over and over and over... you get the idea.

ive figured this has all been covered but i dont see too many people with what seems like a budget or having to drive it on the street.
My main concern is being able to drive it on the street. Thanks alot for all the info

Can someone please post a pic or link of a SWB with full width axles and hummer wheels? I don't care what it looks like I just wanna get a visual.

ive been wanting to ask that when i didnt find what i was looking for in the search. but wasnt ready for flaming yet.
I would like to see some street legal rigs too.

go with scout dana 44 axles they should be the right width and have a 5 x 51/2 bolt pattern they are about the same width as the axles you have 58" wms. they should be stout enough for sand running as long as you dont jump alot of stuff. just curious why not wanting to run full width seems to be the way to go for stablity and strength. just wondering. also think about the fenders and the frame rubbing the tire when you flew if you get the wheels with alot of backspacing. i had stock axles and fat tires and the tires would scrap the side of the frame and could rub through. just a thought. or run 1 tons and hummer wheels they have a 7.5 back spacing.

Originally posted by Recurve
Can someone please post a pic or link of a SWB with full width axles and hummer wheels? I don't care what it looks like I just wanna get a visual.

69" WMS to WMS, d60, Humvee wheels
83" wide to outside of tread with 42 x 15 TSLs

You could run a 9" and d44 from an F-150, which are about 65-66" WMS to WMS. Then get a 15x10 wheel with a higher backspacing, somewhere around 5". It may take a while to find, but they should be out there. Then get some extended TJ flares so you can open up those wheel wells some and cover your tires a little better. One of the guys in my club is running a 9" and HP44 on his YJ with 36x14.50 PJ's and the bestop TJ extended flares. I believe he goes by biggreenjeep on here. I can't get any of his links to work from previous posts so you may want to ask him.

Originally posted by PYRO


69" WMS to WMS, d60, Humvee wheels
83" wide to outside of tread with 42 x 15 TSLs


? how did you come to 83" overall....i got somewhere near 78" i wrote you a private message pyro get back to me dude...thanks

i would just run waggy axles.. front and rear.. or..

get yourself a set of axles from a cab and chassis truck.. the rear will be good.. just have to narrow the front.. im doing a front dodge d60 right now.. sitting in my yard waiting for my lazy ass to grind off the other knuckle... then i cut and weld.. send the shafts off.. for about 100 bucks.. im cutting it down to 64"..

right now im running a waggy front with a d60-2 rear at 63" and i have 35x12.5 tires with 6" flares.. completly street legal.. i have exactly 2" sticking out.. max state law..

Hummer wheels and 38*12.50 TSLs + '82 K30 FF 14 bolt = ~78"
Hummer wheels and 38*12.50 TSLs + '82 K30 Dana 60 - 4" (narrowed) + 4" (Spacers) = ~80"

The narrowing and spacers were used to match the stock passenger spring pad to the spring location & clear the steering/protect the hubs. All this is on a '80 CJ7.

Originally posted by tj7



? how did you come to 83" overall....


With a measuring tape :flipoff2:

hahahahah! thats pretty funny dude.but seriously i am in the midst of the slapping in 60's with humvees but having some problems ....well issues....im tired of fawking with it already.seems im the only one here with a ford 60 into a tj with hummer wheels having all kinds of dilemas...

u need this steering arms or ones like them , no need for wheel spacersdana 60 steering arms for hummer wheels src precision products (http://www.jeepxtremes.com/d60arms.htm)

too bad they are not selling them anymore.:flipoff2:

LOL!!!

Hell Shawn, your just trying to make it difficult. hehehe

I have been running my crap for 2 years with the stuff I turned you on to with Brett at AFM Enterprises. My parts that work were the model for everything he sells for the 60.

Just do it and move on to the next project.

Off to the golf course, I get much less burned golfing than I do welding.

Ed

hahahahahahaahah!
brett at amf4x4 has a nice piece no doubt....but im going to bite the bullet and do 4 inch backspacing from dean on the board...so ill have about 82" wide axles not really all that bad....

Master;

I have what soulds like a setup you want. I just got it done and did a weekend hard core event, so I have an idea of what it is like. As soon as I get pictures I will post. Anyway:

I just swapped a ford hp60 front and a 14 bolt rear onto my YJ, running them full width. The Ford is from a 79, so it's the king pin kind. The rear axle is simple, just do springs perches and shock mounts, no biggee, I swapped 3/4 ton chevy disks on and tossed the brakes (thanks to BillaVista for that), I highly recommend it, those drums probably weigh as much as the rest of the friggin axle! On the front, you WILL have to redrill the center hole slightly - I did not (yet), and it caused really sloppy steering because of how loose the shackles have to be to allow for the incorrect centering hole. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, the front will literally bolt in.

front = 69 wms
rear = 67 wms

I stayed with 16.5 inch rims, because I knew I was using beadlocks, so I figured I could avoid the whole 15 inch brake issues. I have not had a problem with losing a bead yet, I ran 3 days of hard core trails (WITH BEADLOCKS) at 5psi without problems. In my opinion, a lot of the rigs that you see with pictures posted that look massively wide look that way because they are using so little backspacing in order to fit 15 inch wheels. So my first recommendation is stay with 16.5s and you will not be so wide.

I was able to use a 'standard' 16.5 rim, 8.25 wide, 4.75 back spacing. I am running 38.5 14.5 X 16.5 SXs. FANTASTIC TIRE for rock crawling and general trail running (probably not the best for straight pure mud).

Anyway, with this combination, the inside edge of the tire is roughly 1/2 inch inside the outside edge of the BODY. Given a tread width of some odd 12 inches, this means that with a standard YJ 3 inch flare you have roughly 8 ~ 9 inches of tire sticking out. I can confirm this as more or less true (I have no flares).

On this particular run, there was another guy who had Xenon flares. I measure them up and transferred where they would have been on my jeep. I am not sure how wide they are, but with flares like that on, I would have ended up with about 3 inches of tire sticking out, which would be fine around here.

This same jeep had hummer rims on it. With the hummer rims (stock) and 12.5 tires and the xenon flares, his rear (standard width) 14 bolt rear axle kept the rear tires completely under the flares. On the front he used the same rims with a 1 inch spacer (to clear his high steer arm) on a full width d44 and again they were within the flares. If you did that on a D60, though, your hubs and lock outs would stick WAY out past the tire.

Anyway, I hope this helps. You CAN make it work with the right combination of parts. It all depends on how far under the flares you want your tires to be.

hey chad,thankx for the insight.what i would luv to see are both your jeep and your buddies with the humvee's.what i have planned is.my front ford d60 is 70.5 from wms-wms,run the humvees modified to 4" of bs and maybe a 38.5x16x16.5 tsl.overall i figure it will give me a total width around 84".and the rear will be the same tear 60 with 14bolt outers minus 1" for better tracking.i will run drive flanges since ill be running somekind of selectable locker.

i have xenon flares which measure 6" wide.before these axles i had a d44 and a 9" which were 67" wide on 3.5 bs mrt beadlocks on 38x12.3x15 tsl and ,my over all width from outside tire to outside tire was 78",with stock sahara flares which measure 4" wide. so by me adding 4" of flares to my jeep and say add 4" to the 78" you get 82" which is a bit narrower then my outcome width it should be fine.

does anyone think differently? i know the 16 " wide tsl are real only like 15" wide so it will have some meat on it and hopefully i'll have some room to turn.

if anyone has any pics post them please ...

Hey chad thanks for the info
Ive been wanting to talk to someone with a setup like u for a long time.
What kinda of wheelin do you do?
Your jeep looks really nice.
WHat beadlocks are you running?
Some pics would be really
great

Thanks for taking the time to right all that it was really helpfull
I never though about how people with 15 inch wheels would stick out farther because of needed backspacing

I should have pictures from the last run we did just this past weekend of both jeeps within a couple of days I will post them then. I am running RockStomper beadlocks on standard steel 16.5 inch rims, mostly rock crawling, but up here you gotta go through some mud, hills, and trees to get to them rocks.

Originally posted by PYRO


69" WMS to WMS, d60, Humvee wheels
83" wide to outside of tread with 42 x 15 TSLs

Did you lenghten the hood or french the winch.... I am not sure about the last statement. french the winch......??? oh damn i NEED A SHOWER...

Legit question

OK, here are the pictures. Mine's the black one, the red one has the hummer rims.

http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/events/RockaThon/2002/big/Dcp_4915.jpg
http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/events/RockaThon/2002/big/Dcp_4935.jpg
http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/events/RockaThon/2002/big/Dcp_4908.jpg
http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/events/RockaThon/2002/big/Dcp_4924.jpg

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6


Did you lenghten the hood or french the winch.... I am not sure about the last statement. french the winch......??? oh damn i NEED A SHOWER...

Legit question


The hoods the original length, just lower the front of it 5" and stuck one of those grill overlays to the front bar to help keep the jeep look. Here's a better angle photo to show you what I mean (from before I sprayed it green).

Beyond the steering arm clearance issues (already have that solved) will the hummer wheels clear D60 calipers without grinding?

http://www.crawltech.com/albums/Best-of-Erocc/DSC_0759.sized.jpg


ford kingpin 60 front and dodge 70 rear with 17" H2 wheels. They stick out about 6" front and rear with stock tj flares, and about 4" with stock tj sahara flares

did you have to "modify" the H2 wheels to fit your hubs?

they have to be machined to fit...

they have to be machined to fit...
Did you just have the hub indexing lip turned down a bit? Looks like about .100" total.
Any caliper clearance issues?

Here is a good link to an waggy axle install

http://www.rps4wd.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1075221976;s tart=0

Can someone please post a pic or link of a SWB with full width axles and hummer wheels? I don't care what it looks like I just wanna get a visual.


Here's mine on the ground level. This is with 42s, stock waggies in front, and YJ/XJ hybrids in rear.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album380/DSC00077.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album380/DSC00078.sized.jpg

Some bling bling flex poser shots to show where the tires tuck.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album347/DSC00207.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album393/Devils_Den_6_20_2004_197_Small.jpg

I'm really liking my width so far. I thought I would be too narrow, but didn't want to buy new hummer centers until I tried this setup out. I havn't been to a really rocky, suspension work out, area like Katemcy yet, so I still can't make a judgement about how it does on solid rock. But it seems more stable then when I was on stock axles with 35s.

I'd go fullwidth with hummer wheels. You'll probably be as narrow as widetrack waggy with low backspaced wheels. But with the hummer wheels, you can always get a few inches wider if you want.

**TEXASBLAKE** I am in the process of building a very similar setup. I am in the middle of setting up the 4 link for the front now. I really love the narrowness of your rig.

My questions are and Ill try to keep them short...

On off camber tilts does your rig feal stable? I do a lot of off camber wheeling and love stability?

How is your steering radius? Did you have to limit your turning angles because of the tires hitting the frame or springs because of the 42 inch diameter??

From the looks of everything on myset up I will have to go with at least 5 inches backspacing but would like to keep the stock Hummer backspacing, 7 inches I think!!
Thanks for any help!!! JOSH

The backside of my TJ with 4" bs, and around 84" wide. Front D60 is around 86". Need to take some new pics with the Fox shocks mounted. I will have to beef up the trailer fenders to get the front over them.

http://midwestjeepthing.com/jeep/member/images/Bushwhacker/rear%20shot.jpg

This is how mine sits. 65.5" front axle, 3 5/8" BS, 81" total width.

http://www.beast40.com/JeepPictures/Trips2003/Uwharrie10-10-03/dsc03677.jpg

I took a grinder to the inside of the H2 wheel and slowly worked until I got it to fit right. I have no caliper/steering arm problems and for once I don't rum the springs at full lock.

I reciently swapped axles on my 93YJ. Went with 14bolt rear with SRW (67" WMS) and a '89 F-350 D60 front. I chopped the long side about 6" to utilize the stock perch on the short side and then added 2" spacers to push the WMS back to 67" to match the rear. I am running stock hummer rims with full runflats and 39.5" IROK's. The spacers pulled the hubs back out of harms way and solved any tie rod and wheel center issues. I run 7" warn TJ flares to keep it street legal (they are way tugher than I thought they would be). I believe my overall width is 77". I can't seem to get my pics to post I'll try them later.

**TEXASBLAKE** I am in the process of building a very similar setup. I am in the middle of setting up the 4 link for the front now. I really love the narrowness of your rig.

My questions are and Ill try to keep them short...

On off camber tilts does your rig feal stable? I do a lot of off camber wheeling and love stability?

How is your steering radius? Did you have to limit your turning angles because of the tires hitting the frame or springs because of the 42 inch diameter??

From the looks of everything on myset up I will have to go with at least 5 inches backspacing but would like to keep the stock Hummer backspacing, 7 inches I think!!
Thanks for any help!!! JOSH

It feels pretty stable. When I flopped it I was basically seeing what it would take, and it felt stable until it finally flopped. It was a somewhat sideways and verticle climb. It feels more stable than I thought it would.

My steering radius sucks on right turns because I still havn't gotten around to align it right, so I don't fully turn right, and overturn (knucke hits stop) on left turns. If the right turns were fixed, it would turn great. This is with a welded rear, detroit front, and 2Low (for turns). If I had a detroit in the rear it would probably turn much better.

My wheels are completly stock, but to clear the bolt that holds the drag link heim on the steering arm I had to stack 8 grade 8 washers on the wheel studs to push back having to recenter my wheels immediately (I need to save money for a cage IMMEDIATELY).

Most people say that your hubs get really beat up with stock backspaced wheels. The 42x15s bulge out pretty good, so unless you get a rock protruding out hub level they stay okay. My hubs have their fair shair of dents and chips, but I have always been able to lock and unlock them.

**TEXASBLAKE** Thanks for the input. Your information has helped me in a big decision..

As for the lock outs hanging out, I have Warn lockouts and am wanting to use the splined pucks.

Thanks JOSH

Ok here is a shot of wheel coverage...http://pics.montypics.com/wildgoose/2004-09-14/1095221383_wheel_coverage.jpg

Heres one in action....http://pics.montypics.com/wildgoose/2004-09-14/1095222031_neals6.jpg